ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by: Kurt K. on 5/10/2005 at 12:59:52 AM
Well, to end a long story (and no doubt, to begin another new saga), as of yesterday, the 1979 Rudge DL-1 has taken up permanent residence in my stable of Raleigh Industries cycles.

First, I should mention that I have discovered that the bike features an decal on the rear-fender whiteout: "Curacao Trading Corp. (C por. A)."

The CTC decal appears to be applied in a near identical fashion to the Rudge rear fender decal, and around the same age as well. I would venture to say that there's no doubt this cycle was built for the South American market.

Unfortunatly, the previous owner had kept the bike in storage during the half-year interim since I saw the bike last, and it aquired a nasty 2" rearwards bend in the fork. (Don't fear Chris - read on!)

http://www.jaysmarine.com/1979Rudge.jpg

The above photo was taken the night I got it home. The bend is rather glaring in this photograph.

Fear not - one and a half hours in the back shop of the LBS this afternoon resulted in a successfully straightened fork. The steerer tube remains slightly bent about 2 mm though, although it is hardly noticable when installed, and the bearings do appear to seat well.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/1979_Rudge.jpg

Just got the front end back together tonight - haven't had time to take a daylight picture of it yet. The Rudge Maroon on this bike, whether it is true to the Rudge models of the '50s or not, is simply goregous.

Incedentally:

#1. The lugs are plain - not sure if this was standard with the DL-1 or not.
#2. While it may look it through the slot, the chainwheel is not the Rudge 'hand' - it is the standard 4 spoke chainring used on the later models.

Will have more to report later on this week.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by Flavio Figliola on 8/14/2006 at 4:26:38 AM
Well My opinion on Rudge bicycles, i own one already and she,s handles beautifully on the road she,s a coffee or chocolate finish, with rear 3spd dynohub, locking front forks, battery back unit under seat, orignal Dunlop zig zag tires. thick rubber raleigh industries handle bar grips full chaincase with thumb screw for oiling, in the works is another add to the collection similar to my 1951 Rudge, she,s a 1950's Rudge with same options, with one exception this one's a rod brake. 1951 has been with me since 1999 and she will be with until they day i part.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by Flavio Figliola on 8/14/2006 at 4:27:44 AM
Well My opinion on Rudge bicycles, i own one already and she,s handles beautifully on the road she,s a coffee or chocolate finish, with rear 3spd dynohub, locking front forks, battery back unit under seat, orignal Dunlop zig zag tires. thick rubber raleigh industries handle bar grips full chaincase with thumb screw for oiling, in the works is another add to the collection similar to my 1951 Rudge, she,s a 1950's Rudge with same options, with one exception this one's a rod brake. 1951 has been with me since 1999 and she will be with until they day i part.
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   1951 Rudge Whitworth Engish Three Speed Bicycle posted by Flavio Figliola on 8/14/2006 at 4:44:20 AM
Well My opinion on Rudge bicycles, i own one already and she,s handles beautifully on the road she,s a coffee or chocolate finish, with rear 3spd dynohub, locking front forks, battery back unit under seat, orignal Dunlop zig zag tires. thick rubber raleigh industries handle bar grips full chaincase with thumb screw for oiling, in the works is another add to the collection similar to my 1951 Rudge, she,s a 1950's Rudge with same options, with one exception this one's a rod brake. 1951 has been with me since 1999 and she will be with until they day i part.
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   1951 Rudge Whitworth Engish Three Speed Bicycle posted by Flavio Figliola on 8/14/2006 at 5:07:57 AM
Well My opinion on Rudge bicycles, i own one already and she,s handles beautifully on the road she,s a coffee or chocolate finish, with rear 3spd dynohub, locking front forks, battery back unit under seat, orignal Dunlop zig zag tires. thick rubber raleigh industries handle bar grips full chaincase with thumb screw for oiling, in the works is another add to the collection similar to my 1951 Rudge, she,s a 1950's Rudge with same options, with one exception this one's a rod brake. 1951 has been with me since 1999 and she will be with until they day i part.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/10/2005 at 9:19:24 AM
N I C E !

That colour IS quite something.

BEST of luck with it!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by Kurt K. on 5/10/2005 at 7:31:59 PM
Thank you Larry!

So far, the work I have done on it is minimal - the original tires and tubes are still mounted, chrome hasn't been polished (rear rod brake linkage is in desperate need of attention), lighting system is not functional, et cetera. There's a lot to be done yet. So far, I have only taken care of the left-hand shifter mounting and the bell (still not sure whether I like it where it is) when I reinstalled the fork.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_1.jpg

Only after re-assembling the front fork did I realize that the stirrup, according to the Raleigh assembly manual (and an archived post on Oldroads), is in backwards. Chalk that up as to another thing to do.

Rear fender is also being held in with a piece of electrical cable, or something of the like. Will have to get a new chainstay-bridge clip from Gordon Bradbury.

One last thing...anyone got a S-A red rear lamp lens?

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by sam on 5/10/2005 at 9:49:26 PM
Also best of luck with this great looking bike---glad to see it comming back to life.And remember,the rear sprocket will change out with several "other"makes to let you kustom the drive gear to your needs---sam
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by Kurt K. on 5/10/2005 at 10:06:17 PM
Hello Sam,

In fact, although I have found the stock gearing on the Sports models to be rather awkward at times (either to high or two low!), I find the DL-1's gearing (and the larger 28" rim) to suit it perfectly.

One question I thought I'd ask you fellows, as I'm rather undecided on it...this bike is riding on it's original rubber - "Raleigh Roadster" marked tires. There are no splits, tears or even cracks in them (marked Made In Austria). I believe the tubes are original too. While I am no doubt going to change out the tubes, I cannot decide whether to put new Chen Shing tires (LBS has 3 pairs of them) on it, or leave the original Raleigh tires on it. Any opinions?

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by Kurt K. on 5/10/2005 at 10:42:21 PM
Some more pics (and the full pic) from this morning's photo session:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_1.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_2.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_B73.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_CTCdecal.jpg

The rear fender took the worst beating of the whole bike, hopefully the reflector will hide some of the scratches.

P.S.: Don't even suggest it - I would not even consider repainting the white section!

Take care,

Kurt

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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by sam on 5/11/2005 at 9:35:18 AM
I'd go with the original tyres.If it were a club bike with very high pressure/light weight tyres it would be a different story but the roadester tyres have a lot more rubber and are built to last. you might wnt to rotate them for more even ware---sam
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Report #1 posted by Kurt K. on 5/11/2005 at 3:38:42 PM
Very good - I'll use the originals. I may buy a pair of Chen Shings just to keep as spares though - you never know when they'll become hard to find. You mention rotating them - do you mean switch tires on the rims, or spin them around on their beads?

By the way - took again some more photos with the morning sun today (you can see I'm obsessed with this bike...the digital camera has never seen this much usage before!):

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_bright1.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_bright2.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_chaincase.jpg

Take care...

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Report #1 posted by James on 5/13/2005 at 4:52:56 PM
I recently purchased a burgundy Rudge Sports with chaincase, AG hub, dynoluxe. I'll take some pictures and post them, it's quite shiny and mechanically sound but has a fair amount of scratching in spots, which is in a way a good thing, as I can use it and not have a panic attack if it gets scratched.
I think I'm going to use grey tyres for the maiden voyage. I'll see how those look.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Report #1 posted by Kurt K. on 5/13/2005 at 7:53:53 PM
What year Sports? What's the frame size?

Sounds like a copy of my Tourist except for it being a Sports model. Careful with the old wiring by the way - I found out my own Rudge was shorting out today, and got two 6 volt shocks from touching the headlight housing.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Report #1 posted by James on 5/14/2005 at 4:43:42 AM
It's a 57 23". I'm not sure what the official name is, It's not in the Raleigh catalogue I have. The supersafety number 3 was available with chaincase and dynoluxe, but is pictured having rod brakes. This may just be the export version. Some one correct me. Here it is friday night, and I'm speculating about the catalogue name of a bicycle.. that reminds me I have to organize my collection of vintage calculators.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Report #1 posted by Kurt K. on 5/14/2005 at 11:13:15 PM
Rudge Superbe Sports Tourist perhaps?

http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/catalogs/Raleigh57UK/page_05.jpg

I believe the photo above fits the description perfectly. Note the option for stainless steel rims!

Take care,

Kurt
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brake cables posted by: Dean on 5/9/2005 at 11:20:06 PM
I hope that someone could help me. I got a 1952 (according to the r. Hub0 Raleigh Sport. I am having trouble locating cables and housing for this bike. I have been to several sites but to no avail. Also does anyone have any idea to the value. Thanks for the help.

Dean
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by: jack on 5/8/2005 at 6:59:26 AM
I have a single-speed coaster Puch roadster that I'm considering converting to a 3-speed coaster (brake). Since most seem to feel the SA 3-sp coaster hub is problematic, I'm thinking of using a Shimano CCC that I have. Do these hubs work ok or should I just forget about it? I don't want to add a rear brake due to painted rims.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by Kurt K. on 5/8/2005 at 12:21:58 PM
Have you thought of an S/A AB 3 speed/drum brake?

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by Dick in FL on 5/9/2005 at 12:17:34 AM
Hi Jack

The SA 3-sp w. coaster brake model with the "problematic" reputation is an earlier model. Still, my 1987 model sticks and drags, and I have to repeatedly rotate the cranks forward to free it up. ?? As for the comparable Shimano hub, my experience with two of them is 'no problemo'. In fact I have several Shimano hubs without the coaster brake and I prefer them to the SA. The shifter is certainly crisper. Bottom line, though, is to be absolutely positive you can live with a coaster brake. I can't! ..... need to be able work the cranks backwards; and I am too superannuated to be re-programmed.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by jack on 5/9/2005 at 8:42:19 AM
Thanks Kurt & Dick for your responses. Kurt, Sheldon Brown has a nice website showing different SA models and the AB has a cable operated drum brake. While this would be ok I've never seen a used one and I'm not gonna spring for a new one. I have a Shimano CCC (3-sp, coaster) that is ok as far as width and Dick has had good luck with Shimanos so I may try it. I agree with you Dick, its nice to be able to back pedal but this Puch roadster already has a favorit coaster.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by Kimo on 5/10/2005 at 2:12:03 AM
I've got Sturmey 3 speed coaster brakes on two of my dl-1's. I don't think that they are safe in wet city conditions without them . In both cases, I've gone through 2 coaster hubs, before finding ones that work well. That meant finding 4(!) 40 hole coaster hubs to end up with the correct ones. I know it is sacrilege, but I'm trading out the steel 28" rims on one, exchanging 700c in their place, w/ 4 speed sturmey hub and a recently drum brake on the front. I've already got a single coaster Dl-1 with 700c wheels and find that it usually is my first choice for my daily commute. The ride is different, but still acceptable (lighter too). Let me know how the Shimano works out and when I get the new wheels built up I'll let you know how my latest Franken-Roadster comes out. After that it's a fixed version. I just love that laid back geometry.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by edgarecks on 5/11/2005 at 3:08:32 PM
I don't know about 3-speed SAs with drum brake, but I do have a 5-speed "Elite" alloy hub with drum that I don't think is worth a #@%&!! They didn't seem to isolate the brake section from the hub - repeated disassembly and cleaning doesn't help, the brake gets oily and stops working about 10 minutes after first use (didn't add extra oil to the gear section, only a thin coating when reassembling).
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by Kurt K. on 5/12/2005 at 1:11:23 AM
Interesting point there.

I've had some problems myself with oil overflowing and loosening the bearing grease on conventional S/A AW type hubs, gumming up the hub as a result.

While it is a slightly different problem then that of oil leaking into the drum section of an AB hub, both cases exhibit a single curious common design flaw in the Sturmey hubs - lack of a proper seperation of the hub's internal chambers.

What I can suggest to Jack is a simple S/A front drum brake - independent of any hub to oil up your braking surfaces, and with a proper, thick grease, none of the latter lubricant either.

P.S., Of interesting note, I recently was given by a friend an unusual front drum brake. It's a direct rippoff of the Sturmey design, nearly identical. The hub has a copy of the S/A banner logo with "Chair Made" written inside the banner, along with the embossing "Made In China" (might have been Taiwan - would have to look at the hub again). It's of the English tradition with 32 holes, and it was laced into a very badly rusted Chinese 28" Westwood rim when I got it. Ultimately, I cut the hub out and discarded all save for the hub. The chrome is of reasonable quality, but is poor around the edges, with a result that the inside flanges are badly rusted, and the rest is fine.

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Shimano 3-sp Coaster posted by Bob on 5/14/2005 at 1:48:55 AM
Hello,,,My name is Bob...better known as "Bikebob" I have the Folsom Cycle bike shop in Folsom Pa. I have just come to realize thats some of the simplest parts that use to be easy to get are now no longer made (Thank to good old Shimano thinking) Anyway,,,What I need is the "Non turn washers",,Shimano part number "SH 321-4600".....And the "old style "Bell Cranks" for the Shimano "D" through to the cartridge hubs. "To think they would stop making such a simple but "so important" part is only the wisdom of Shimano" Please Email me if you have them and or know where I could find them ,Thanks Bikebob
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sprite...fast lane roadster posted by: Drew on 5/7/2005 at 11:55:05 AM
Since 3-speed Sports model have been over priced in my area, I've been buying Sprites from the 60s up to about 1975. They have the classic look of a sports but are equiped with 5 or 10 speeds, 27" wheels, and can be found in large frame sizes..23 1/2" and 25". Long rides are a breeze on these. Question, is there a way to pin down the year on these? I have two, one with ivory paint-one with bronze paint circa 1973-75 ? Often, you can find these for a very low price! The 1976 onward looked too modern....have lost the classic look.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sprite...fast lane roadster posted by Dick in FL on 5/7/2005 at 5:10:47 PM
Good question! I have 3 of them; viz., a 21", a 23.5", and a 25". Each has its own style of chainwheel design. I'll check the catalogs at RetroRaleigh.com and see if I can get us a determination from that. BTW: Keep your shift cables well-lubricated; Sprite levers are quite fragile (and unique) and will fracture before a corroded cable gives up. Also, these levers call for a button-ended cable instead of the more common mushroom end.

The local thrift store prices on Sprites in Central FL have been at giveaway levels.
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AGE / VALUE:   1966 all chrome raleigh posted by: wade on 5/7/2005 at 4:09:03 AM
i am thinking about putting my 66' all chrome raleigh 3 speed on ebay soon.... i paid 300 for the bike a couple of years ago.. would like to get a little more out of it now.. just giving everyone a heads up about it in case anyone is interested.
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