AGE / VALUE:   1964? Triumph "palm beach" posted by: Lee Davison on 6/23/2005 at 5:53:04 AM
hey there, i was walking around with my girlfriend the other day when i found this old bike in the trash. I dont think it is worth anything, especially in its current condition but i have the means to restore it as i am 17 and doing an apprenticeship in automotive bodywork, and i was wondering about the bike. i really want to find out the model, its actual age, and wether or not its a rare bike or not or worth anything in a good state. im facinated by old cars and stuff like that, my family has 3 VW beetles and 1 vw van :P so i was wondering if the bike is worth keeping. The serial number, or what i think is the serial number (below the seat tube) is what appears to be 2738490. it looks like it had "Palm Beach" written on it at some point? is this even an "English roadster"?

thanks for any help. here are some pics:

The Badge on the (downtube?):
http://www.paullanloz.force9.co.uk/stuff/oldbike/1.JPG

The bike as a whole:
http://www.paullanloz.force9.co.uk/stuff/oldbike/2.JPG

Palm Beach?:
http://www.paullanloz.force9.co.uk/stuff/oldbike/3.JPG

The rear hub:
http://www.paullanloz.force9.co.uk/stuff/oldbike/4.JPG

Diagram of the rear hub's markings:
http://www.paullanloz.force9.co.uk/stuff/oldbike/sturmeyhub.JPG


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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1964? Triumph posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/23/2005 at 7:30:58 PM
Most definitely an English "Light Roadster". Looking at your nicely illustrated hub diagram, it was manufactured on or about July, 1964.

Yeah... a little rough, but a little time and effort would certainly make it decent... and of course it would be quite a serviceable machine.

I believe at that particular time, Triumph was most certainly being manufactured by Raleigh in Nottingham.

The price certainly is right! I for one, would have retrieved it from the trash without hesitation. Poke around on this site here and the associated links (particularly Sheldon Brown's stuff and http://www.retroraleighs.com) for a wealth of knowledge on these machines.

Best of luck with your new acquisition!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by Lee davison on 6/24/2005 at 4:58:41 PM
yeah, i was thinking of doing a full respray on it with professional car paints from work, but i want to be able to get the decals to put back on, and i was wondering if doing this would ruin the bike. i love the metalwork on it, its something you just dont see these days. also, i cant seem to find any real information on the bike, apart from its age and the fact that you told me it is an english light roadster. would this be what it would have been called in the catalogues? or a "palm Beach"? Also, i dont suppose it is worth anything at all is it? if it was in a new condition would it be?
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by P.C. Kohler on 6/24/2005 at 8:55:37 PM
The Triumph Palm Beach is essentially the same as a Raleigh Trent. There were also Rudge and Humber variants. One of the best selling bikes of the mid 1950s-mid 1960s but mostly in the UK and especially in ladies frames. I don't think this model was imported into the USA in any numbers if at all. It's a lighter version of the Sports with slightly stiffer geometry, different handlebars and celluloid mudguards. This model was introduced in 1952 and was a 2030 steel framed version of the shortlived but much better spec'd Lenton Tourist.

P.C. Kohler
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by Kurt K. on 6/24/2005 at 9:21:01 PM
Lee, try going over a section of the frame with Kiwi Neutral shoe polish about 4/6 times, see what it does.

You might want to try 3M Microfinishing Compound on the original paint, but this will take the decals off.

I don't know of any source for the Triumph "Palm Beach" decals, so I'd highly suggest trying the shoe polish first.

Fenders will need sandblasting and respraying though - that's definite.

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by Lee davison on 6/26/2005 at 10:35:03 PM
Its a shame more decals arent redily available, becuase it would look oh so nice with some fresh paint. Ill have to see about getting some replicas made up, but im a student so cash is tight.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by Kurt K. on 6/27/2005 at 2:09:10 PM
Very true, very true, but try the Kiwi shoe polish and if nessesary, Microfinishing Compound in areas (don't use the compound over decals!) - you will be very pleased with the results on the frame.

The rear fender decal should be obtainable from H Lloyd Cycles, so don't feel bad about blasting the old decal off:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NICK_AT_LLOYDS

P.S.: It's only original once!

-Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by Julia on 7/14/2005 at 9:47:24 PM
Hi Lee,
I too found my Triumph roadster in a dumpster (well, next to it). I went from knowing NOTHING WHATSOEVER about bicycles to seeking help with my adopted bike, learning a lot, and becoming absolutely smitten with the thing. It's fun finding the parts, trying to replace a cottered crank, and making the chrome shine again. I'm so proud of it, even though it looks like junk to anyone else.
HAVE FUN and don't miss the pleasure of doing the work yourself. :)
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by John on 9/2/2007 at 8:17:10 AM
I just picked up a Triumph from the dumpster, and I know nothing about the bike. Could someone give me information about about it or where to look.

Thanks,
John


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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by David MacLeod on 9/3/2007 at 3:49:38 PM
I was given a Triumph Palm Beach for my 13th birthday in January 1960. I still use it round the town. Its original Dynohub lighting still works as does the Sturmey Archer 3-speed gear. Unfortunately the paintwork is getting very thin, as are the beautiful Dunlop rims (worn through to the steel). The "Palm Beach" decals are just readable. The whitewall tyres went years ago as did the blue and white saddle, the chainguard and the steel mudguards/fenders - too heavy. I suspect the Palm Beach may have seen one of the of the earliest commercial uses of metallic paint (the dark blue bits). I don't remember any autos with metallic paint in those days - not in the UK anyway. Value possibly £10 to £20 ($20 to $40) - look at eBay. Not really old enough yet to be collectable. I still see a few here in Scotland. They were also done in bronze but I much prefer my two-tone blue finish.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1964? Triumph posted by Renaud Spencer on 3/15/2008 at 5:09:30 PM
"Triumph Palm Beach Tourist" eh? Wow, does that bring the memories flooding back... Got mine (frame number 18700 DA...) as a "reward" for passing my eleven-plus exam, around 1956, most memorable bike I ever had! Remember the day I picked her up in Prescot, Lancashire and rode her home, better than I remember yesterday! As I remember, tan gents frame, amazing decal-work, 3-speed Sturmeys and front Dynohub lights, white cables, and yes, those whitewall tyres! Matching tan sprung saddle and saddlebag (mit sidepockets for P-outfit...), she served me so well, with speed (if tyres well pumped), manoeuvrability with those straight handlebars and stiff frame, and general reliability. Good memories, of taking off over Lancashire hill and dale, freewheeling down hills with the Sturmeys clicking away like mad... Medium bad memory was, after doing the Christmas post round like most students, and putting her away till April, recommissioning her and finding four Christmas parcels still in the saddlebag... then having to deliver them and explain...! Worst memory was coming out of Huyton (next to Liverpool) Library to discover she had been STOLEN, a ruthless awakening in my 15 or so tender years that there were indeed BAD PEOPLE in the world... My next mount, a used Claude Butler 18-speed Campag sports with centrepull Mafac brakes, Campag QR hubs, Cinelli stem, alloy rims, etc, etc never captured the same space in my heart. Wish I owned the same today - I envy you, Lee Davison! Value? To me, it was priceless!!! (Sorry - wish I had a picture to hand - will root out a black and white and post it shortly!)
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AGE / VALUE:   bsa posted by: warren on 6/22/2005 at 10:52:37 AM
I have a bsa bicycle, on back hub it has bsa stamped into it, any idea how old and value. I still use it to get to work every now and then. Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   always nice to meet nice people who post here posted by: sam on 6/22/2005 at 3:12:16 AM
Meet Clide at Abita Springs La last sunday.The show was ending and I was packing up to leave when Clide came by---wish we had had longer to talk---sam
Pics of Abita 05:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frameteam2003/album?.dir=3e1e&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   always nice to meet nice people who post here posted by Clyde on 6/24/2005 at 1:59:54 AM
Enjoyed the LA Bicycle Festival at UCM Museum again this year, even sold a bike trailer which made the trip worthwhile. Sorry to not have time to chat, but liked seeing your vintage Brit bike, Sam. Tried to sell my '75 red AMF Hercules, but no nibbles. Ended up taking unsold parts to Plan B, the local community volunteer bike project. It's a great place to donate frames and parts for a good cause.

Kool pictures.
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AGE / VALUE:   dynohub posted by: nat on 6/20/2005 at 11:07:54 PM
Restoring half century old Dynohub - Magnetism is not what it once was - Has anyone experience to impart regarding sucessfully re-magnetising? &/or rechroming dynohubs.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dynohub posted by Dick in FL on 6/21/2005 at 1:28:26 AM
Did you observe weak performance *before* you undertook to restore the dynamo? The received wisdom for dealing with dynohubs is to avoid separating the armature from the magnetic ring. I'm tryng to ascertain whether or not this weakness you observe is self-inflicted. SA used to offer a keeper to use when it was deemed absolutely necessary to separate the pieces. Assemble the hub and measure the output. Normally it would be 2.5W @ 6v. Check operation with just the tail light alone. Verify that the bulb wattages are correct. If all this persuades you that your magnet has been truly de-gaussed, you may start a Ponce de Leon type quest; viz. track down the famous Jobst Brandt and be the first on this forum to confirm the rumor that he *does* indeed possess a rare and virtually unobtainable Sturmey-Archer re-Gaussing machine.

Good luck and keep us posted,
Dick in FL
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dynohub posted by David on 6/21/2005 at 6:50:06 PM
The only danger is separating the ring magnet from the armature in the center. If you remove the four little screws that hold the magnet cover and the lock nuts from the axle, the whole dynamo (magnet AND armature) should fall out into your hand fairly easily. As long as you keep them together, the magnet should remain ok. (The keeper is just an iron cylinder the same size as the armature. You push the keeper into the magnet and push the armature out.) If you have an AC voltmeter or any 6V test bulb, you should be able to detect pulses of current as you simply turn the generator by hand. And you can feel the pull of the magnet as if the hub bearings had detents. If indeed the magnet is shot, try Eric Hjertberg (ehjertberg at yahoo dot com). He confirmed to me a few years ago that he had the fabled machine and could do the job. (I think the machine is Stanford-engineered and not a genuine Sturmey-Archer!)
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   RE:  dynohub posted by nat on 6/22/2005 at 2:53:17 AM
Thanks – We’re working on two Dynohubs, a front one from 1951 – put the meter on it, spun the wheel and voila – it works! – The front lamp has a glass lens & a black paint finish on chrome? We’ve just posted pre restoration pictures of this Raleigh to the d/base. The second one’s an AG Strumey from 1961 with an integrated Dynohub – it’s in pieces to do the gears. We put a steel keeper in briefly so we could have a look – we were tempted to throw a speaker magnet in instead! Thanks again for the info - at this stage we won’t set off on the re-gaussing quest. Will let you know how it goes – Nat & Scrubs - Melbourne Australia.
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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Churchill posted by: Chris on 6/20/2005 at 8:15:01 AM
Trying to find more information on a Churchill model made by Hercules cycle& motor company. My uncle gave me a bike to tinker with but I dont have the time. I have been trying to find out more before I donate it to the community cycling center or if it would be something an individul collector would be into. It has 3 spd Sturmey, front hub has a generator built in that runs a front and rear light. cable brakes.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Churchill posted by Dick in FL on 6/21/2005 at 2:14:58 AM
Chris,
Just the hub generator and light kit by themselves would excite most collectors. I'll bet the time it takes to remove the front wheel and lights and box them for shipment will be more than rewarded if you offer them on ebay. Now if the bike has rod brakes and you live in Orlando, I'll buy it myself.
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