MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show and Watertown Swap/ August 14th posted by: Peter Naiman on 7/27/2005 at 1:33:02 PM
A number of events beside the Concours are planned for Sunday August 14th. David Herlighy, noted cycle historian and author will be attending and doing a book signing and talk, the Wheelman will be attending and plan on riding at the show in period dress with possibly giving demonstration on riding a highwheeler. Mavic Wheels which is now a sponsor of the show is planning a demonstration which I will have more information on later.

At 9:00AM Jack Demerest or as most of his friends know him as Five Speed Jack will open the day by leading a ride through Bostons famed Emerald Necklace and return to the show at roughly 10:00AM for the shows opening. For those who want to drop off bikes and go on the ride, I will be at the Museum of Transportation by 8:30AM to take bikes in so those folks can go on the 9:00AM ride.

For more information about the show, please see our website at www.oldroads.com/show and thank you to Webmaster Vin Vullo for updating and hosting our site.
I can be contacted on my email address listed with this post for additional information on the show.

Hope to see you all there.

Peter Naiman
Shorewood, WI
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AGE / VALUE:   Indian Scout posted by: Bryan on 7/27/2005 at 2:09:24 AM
Cool Indian Scout on CL: http://boston.craigslist.org/bik/87120647.html

Jeff in Shutesbury--lost your email address but thought of you when I saw this bike.

No relation to seller.

Bryan in CT
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AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by: Chris on 7/25/2005 at 10:36:33 PM
Today I said the heck with it and opened the box containing the new Triumph bike. This is complete with a Brooks mattress saddle and original Raleigh pedals. These pedals do not have the Raleigh Heron stamp but are wearing the Sir Walter Raleigh stamp that is Raleigh's trademark. Same pedals, Union made in Germany. We usually see these with the center portion of the tread stamped with a round stamping and the tread is different and the pedal is a bit shorter and the pedal looks junkier quality wise. Still it is a direct descendant of the Union pedal we see on our Raleigh Sports, superbes D.L.1's and Choppers. So even the Union pedals went thru changes. Raleigh went to Union's pedals after they stoped making their own. It was a big deal when that happened. Before that, they (Raleigh) came out with a sintered bearing pedal that was cheaper to make and people rose such a fuss by writing that it was withdrawn and they contracted with Union Frondenburg and they lent a die so the German company could supply a good looking pedal for the Raleigh cycles.

The original Raleigh pedals were the old school, real deal. Rebuildable with replaceable treads and all pedal parts servicable and greasable and everything. Then they stopped this due to the high cost involved in pedal manufacture. The sintered or bearingless pedal as it was nicknamed..... Well, it was a bearingless pedal!
Then the Union pedal with bearings and these were and are nor rebuildable but they spinn nice with a bit (and I mean, a bit) of oil. It was weird seeing these later day Union pedals. In 1975 I never saw these pedals the older ones and stuff before that but this change escaped me and that';s fine because the treads and size and general appearance stinks. So I never thought I would wax nostalgic for the basic Union pedal because that changed as well.
The bike assembly:
It was a nice experience with everything new, and the oily dust and grease over the metal chrome parts and it protected it wonderfully since 1975. The thing is a time capsule. It is complete with the S3C coaster brake hub which I dislike and will not use. This is a display bike, It won't be ridden. Leave it in the box? Yes, I should have.... but did not. I saved the box.

No r nuts, basic el-cheapo mattress saddle, small seat post, the smallest, small handlebar stem and it is a 22 in frame gents bike.

Lovely green paint, but It is new. Think I'll scan the steer tube and mix up a match and see. Yes, good idea!

Losing my keys and going crazy looking for them turned up all sorts of missing things that were given up for lost and were still missing until they popped out at me. Seemed the gods threw me gifts as I was all buggered and mad and running around looking for those keys. Found the keys after finding 15 other missing items.
The new, old stock, crazy prices Phillips pedal was re-uinted with it's mate completing the lengthy Phillips bike restoration I undertook two years ago. Lost the pedal here in the house. It is all done, the set of real old school Phillips pedals is the icing on the cake so to speak.
The new bike, with it's flawless, new, original decals, flawless fenders, was a joy to handle.
This is just a 1975 Raleigh made Triumph imagine the Humbers, and Rene Herse, Flying Scots, and all the other makes and models all new, wearing their original paint and sporting perfect decals and all gleaming rust and dent free newness. It was all very dazzling and marvelous wasn't it?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by Kurt K. on 7/26/2005 at 1:23:44 AM
Chris...I'm bug-eyed, mouth watering, heart racing, and want to know:

You found the Phillips pedals...now where's your digital camera?

Pretty soon we'll start taking up a collection here to buy you a brand new one if we don't see any photos soon ;-)

P.S.: How come the fellows here on the English Roadster group possibly hold the record for the least percentage of new photos posted per year?

We always hear about your spectacular collections and cycles - how about sharing a little bit of vintage Raleigh eye candy too?

Take care...

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by Bryan on 7/26/2005 at 2:17:20 AM
Speaking of posting photos.....I don't know how to do it on this site. Rather, I see how to post a photo using the optional add a picture feature, but I never see pictures on the discussion board. While I have followed these postings for years, I'm not sure where the photos are. Are they in the photo archive, or can you view them right from the discussion board? Do you have to link to a website that can host the photos? I'm a little challenged with this sort of thing.

--Bryan in CT
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by kim on 7/26/2005 at 11:38:40 AM
You can post a photo at the end of each message. A "thumbnail" of the photo shows up and you can click on it to enlarge it.

Or you can upload your photos to the Picture Database here. I think that is best because they index the pictures so they can be searched by make, year, style, etc.

They also have that "Readers Rides" section (see the link at the top of this page). You can post a max of 5 pictures there.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by Kurt K. on 7/26/2005 at 2:19:16 PM
There's three basic parts to posting a photo:

#1: The Photo
#2: The Server
#3: The Web Address

Number #1, of course, is to have the actual photo. Preferably re-sized in any photo editor to a reasonable size, say, no more then 1000 pixels wide (your photo program will tell you this).

The server is essentially the 'hosting service' for the photo - the hosting service essentially hosts your photo online so it can be seen on the WWW. (Alternately, you can post your photos on a photo-hosting website like Webshots, but I feel these services rob you of some freedom to post your photos around).

Finally, your web server will give you a direct web address link to your photo - usually an HTTP:// followed with the server's name "XYZhostinginc", and sometimes followed by a few directory folders "bin/photo/whatever/" and finally at the end, the name of your photo, RaleighRudgeHumberETC.jpg.

The full link would read like this:

HTTP://XYZhostinginc/bin/photo/whatever/RaleighRudgeHumberETC.jpg

Think of it as taking your photo from your home (your computer) to an art gallery (server) which hangs it on the wall to display (web address).

The only final step is to send the link to those you want to share the photo with.

I must honestly say that I dislike this forum's setup for posting pictures, as it slows down the forum considerably - every single photo, even though it's been resized as a thumbnail, is loaded as if it were full size.

I usually post the link in the forum message box like so:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Rudge_DL1_new_1.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/Twenty_pem_5.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/1971_Sports_fenders1.jpg

That way, not only does the forum load faster, members can see only the photos they wish to see.

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by Kurt K. on 7/27/2005 at 6:03:37 PM
...and as usual, anything relating to photographs falls on deaf ears.

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by kim on 7/28/2005 at 12:20:24 PM
Kurt, that was a good tutorial on photos.
OldRoads's implementation of pictures in their discussion areas leaves a little to be desired. But look at the bright side:

- No popup ads
- No registrations
- No 'please donate' buttons all over the place!
- No nagware notices



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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Triumph N.O.S. t's nice for a change posted by Kurt K. on 7/28/2005 at 3:22:50 PM
Very true, Kim.

I must say though that I've become quite fond of the older forum format that Vin uses here - loads fast and is easily searched (I prefer the older search engine).

I might email him sometime soon and suggest that he change the thumbnail picture link to a web hyperlink option.

All the best,

-Kurt
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AGE / VALUE:   Saw these and thought of you posted by: Matthew on 7/25/2005 at 7:18:43 PM
Whilst browsing eBay, as one does, I came across these two. The first of which is quite a find, even here in the UK. The colour is wonderful. So many of these bikes were scrapped or ruined, cheap ATB & MTB imports saw off a great deal of them. folks didn't wantr to rdie their Dad's and grandad's bikes when they could have a cheapo mountain bike for a few quid. Most of the cheap mountain bikes have followed their superiors to the heap too. Quality will outlast quantity.

First cycle is Ebay item number 7171801771.

The second pair of bikes are probably about the right money but I guess the unseen cycle is a heap.
Item number 7171301693.

These are nothing to do with me whatsoever. NMA. I don't even know the seller(s).

I know shipping is dear but I guess these would be worth the bother. I also came across a 1948 Raleigh on eBay for sale in Nottingham but forgot to get the number. However it may well be a Lenton sport, have a search.

Trying to keep folks up to date on what is out there. Everything else seems to be a Chopper - each to their own.

Matthew - dodging the rain drops.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rear brakes posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 7/25/2005 at 1:58:38 PM
Been a while since I posted here last. I'm always re-tightening the nut on my rear brake of my '56 Superbe, after a week's worth of riding, it always works loose. This is the older style of brake that accepts the doubled lug ended cable. I'm using modern cables and housings and have gotten around the problem with one of Sheldon's clever little bolt on lugs.
The center bolt on my brake has a groove running down the the threaded portion, as if to accept some kind of toothed washer. I've always assumed it was to accept a flat piece of sheet metal, so when the brake nut was tightened, the sheet metal could be crimped around the nut, thus preventing the nut from loosening.
But I haven't found anything to support my assumption, taken apart or examined countless old doubled-lugged brakes and found nothing of the kind. Last week as I was walking home I spied an ancient women's 3 speed, rusting peacefully in garden, flowers in it's front and rear baskets. Yeah, I examined it's rear brake too. What I saw was a little clip that slid onto the brake bolt before the nut. This little clip had small wings on it and it's purpose was to hold the fender tab in place. Since the bolt has a groove and the clip has a little tooth, it makes it impossible for the bolt to turn, but does this mean that the nut can still loosen up? Anyone have any informtion?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rear brakes posted by Kurt K. on 7/25/2005 at 2:41:48 PM
Well, I hope you bargained the owner to part with the washer from their planter-bike!

Have you tried adding a lockwasher to the mix as well? Maybe a tad of Loctite?

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rear brakes posted by Chris on 7/25/2005 at 11:30:36 PM
The nuts never came loose as there was a serrated/toothed washer there as well.
This is the old school, brakes before the English bicycle brakes were cheapened and changed.
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rear brakes posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/28/2005 at 1:15:50 PM
That's what I'm trying to figure out, what was the purpose of the groove in the main bolt? All my "detective work" shows that there was no toothed washer washer to hold the final nut in place. If there is one I don't know what shape or form it takes. Caliper brakes were not as popular before the '40's, and all brakes I have examined were post WWII. I can only assume that the groove is there to secure a little clip that holds the fender tab securely.

Does anyone hve any info or photos?
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rear brakes posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/28/2005 at 1:16:00 PM
That's what I'm trying to figure out, what was the purpose of the groove in the main bolt? All my "detective work" shows that there was no toothed washer washer to hold the final nut in place. If there is one I don't know what shape or form it takes. Caliper brakes were not as popular before the '40's, and all brakes I have examined were post WWII. I can only assume that the groove is there to secure a little clip that holds the fender tab securely.

Does anyone hve any info or photos?
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