AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh spoke crossing posted by: Dick in FL on 9/25/2005 at 4:11:08 AM
I decided to give up on obtaining a 5.5" crank for my Boy's Colt. Accordingly, I am parting it out and plan to use the mint front wheel (a 'Westrick')to upgrade one of my Sports. While comparing it to the front Westrick from an Asian built Raleigh, I noticed that the Colt wheel spokes did not interlace like the Asian Westrick. In fact, none of my Raleighs interlace. Neither does my Robin Hood. What is the standard policy for lacing up Raleigh wheels?

BTW: Schwinn Suburban spokes fit perfectly.

Dick in FL
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh spoke crossing posted by David on 9/25/2005 at 11:58:11 AM
That does seem to be an unusual crank size. Did Raleigh make 5 1/2"? But the wheel: all the front wheels I have use "cross 3" spoking. Some are Japanese and some English. How is the Colt wheel spoked? (Count the number of spokes one of them crosses between its head and the nipple.)
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh spoke crossing posted by David on 9/25/2005 at 11:58:15 AM
That does seem to be an unusual crank size. Did Raleigh make 5 1/2"? But the wheel: all the front wheels I have use "cross 3" spoking. Some are Japanese and some English. How is the Colt wheel spoked? (Count the number of spokes one of them crosses between its head and the nipple.)
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh spoke crossing posted by Kurt K. on 9/25/2005 at 2:43:50 PM
According to the Raleigh Industries/Sturmey-Archer wheelbuilding manual, spokes are not interlaced:

http://www.rickadee.net/'zephyrus/ad4935/ad4935.html
(remove the ' and put a tilde)

This is further confirmed that all the post-'68 Raleighs in my own collection (save for those I have re-laced with stainless spokes) do not feature interlaced spokes.

Incedentally, all models with conventional Sports hubs (H.40B or D), save for those equipped with 27" High-Pressure Endrick rims, take 15 gauge spokes VS the standard 14 for all rear rims.

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh spoke crossing posted by David on 9/26/2005 at 2:30:26 AM
I guess I don't understand what you mean by "interlacing." Please explain. Or better yet, post or link to a picture [that's worth a thousand words!]
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh spoke crossing posted by Steve on 9/26/2005 at 2:32:16 AM
My OEM wheels do not have interlacing either, although any I've rebuilt do. The Raleigh wheelbuilding manual does not mention any interlacing, a hazard for someone using it who expects to end up with an interlaced wheel. Does anybody have a Jobst Brandt book on wheelbuilding at hand to get a definitive answer, if any?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh spoke crossing posted by Steve on 9/26/2005 at 2:34:27 AM
Sorry: "interlacing" is an over-and-under crossing of spokes. If you look at a hub, a spoke emerging from the hub in a three-cross pattern will go over the first crossing spoke, over the second, and under the third in an interlaced pattern. If non-interlaced, it will go over, over, and over.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh spoke crossing posted by David on 9/26/2005 at 3:14:49 AM
Does interlacing the spokes require you to bend them a bit more? If so, you might not want to do it with plated spokes for fear of breaking the plating. That would certainly have been a concern to mass producers.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh spoke crossing posted by Joe M on 9/26/2005 at 4:04:02 AM
I have several examples here, and none are interlaced, but when I relace any of my wheels, I always interlace the spokes, I was always told that it makes a stronger wheel.
I have also heard that interlacing can cause wear were the last cross occurs due to movement and flex of the wheel, but an interlaced wheel is supposed to be more rigid, and less prone to side to side flex.
Years ago, we built all wheels as laced, regardless of what the factory had done. I was always taught not to build 'factory' wheels, but to put together a high quality 'hand built' wheel that would outlast and outperform the original. I always just figured that non-interlaced wheels were a product of mass production and machine assembly.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help me save my DBU! posted by: Brownie on 9/24/2005 at 11:54:22 PM
Hoping someone has maybe dealt with this or has a creative approach.
I havent tried anything yet. I have a DBU on a 79 Superbe, that to my horror, I discovered a previous owner has left a battery to corrode inside the casing. There is access from the bottom only and it's really in there. How to get out?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help me save my DBU! posted by Ron on 9/25/2005 at 4:05:38 AM
White vinager works to dissolve the corrosion from batteries. I collect old cameras and they are frequently left stored with the battery inside. After you clean out the corrosion, rinse with water, then dry thoroughly.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help me save my DBU! posted by: Brownie on 9/24/2005 at 11:54:22 PM
Hoping someone has maybe dealt with this or has a creative approach.
I havent tried anything yet. I have a DBU on a 79 Superbe, that to my horror, I discovered a previous owner has left a battery to corrode inside the casing. There is access from the bottom only and it's really in there. How to get out?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have we here? posted by: Pete on 9/24/2005 at 8:54:33 PM
Can anyone shed any light on this:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6564210318&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1

I don't recognise it as a UK Raleigh - maybe Dutch or Danish? The vendor does not know. Hub brakes, alloy fittings, and a decent Shimano. Looks to me like the ideal all-weather road machine, and in my size. And yes, that is me bidding on it.

The word 'Zenith' can just be made out on the seat tube. Any thought as to origin and pedigree much appreciated.

Pete, not far from Brentford.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have we here? posted by David on 9/25/2005 at 11:41:51 AM
I hope no one bids against you; good deal at 10 pounds. It looks very continental. And not so enormous as the seller states; the handlebars are pulled way up. Good luck.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have we here? posted by Kurt K. on 9/25/2005 at 2:56:53 PM
Looks like a post-80's model to me. Never seen a pre-'79 Raleigh with a chainguard like that.

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have we here? posted by Matthew on 9/25/2005 at 9:28:10 PM
Hi Folks,

I'd be evry surprised to find this was English at all. The nearest it got to being English is when it was sold in a cycle shop over here. Zenith isn't a Raleigh model name, far more likely to be something european or maybe an Emmelle (Moore & Large {ML})import.

Matthew
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AGE / VALUE:   Ebay again posted by: sam on 9/24/2005 at 1:27:42 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Humber-23-Classic-all-steel-bicycle_W0QQitemZ6561697794QQcategoryZ69825QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
bet youd have better luck with Goff.----sam
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