AGE / VALUE:   Looky looky Sun is shining posted by: Matthew on 3/27/2006 at 7:36:08 PM
1930s Vintage Sunbeam bicycle old bike classic rare Item number: 7228809620

Its on the big auction site and seller will ship worldwide.
Have you made a bid yet Larry?

Matthew - ferreting on eBay
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Looky looky Sun is shining posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/30/2006 at 1:08:18 AM
Alas... I've been far and away too busy being responsible... painting the house, that sort of thing... too late for me to get ahold of this one, aye?

Nice machine... and for $250 or so... I wonder what shipping 'cross the pond would have been.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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FOR SALE:   NOS 26X1.375 Goodyear tyre (599mm) posted by: Kurt K on 3/27/2006 at 12:02:55 AM
I realise this should go on the VLW section (which it will), but I thought I'd post it here in case one of you fellows might have use for such an oddball tyre.

For Sale or trade for interesting items:

NOS Goodyear tyre, 26X1.375, aka 599mm. Blackwall, for hooked bead. Some dry rot, but still very suitable for use.

Yes, that's not a typo, it's a 599mm tyre.

Interested? cudak888@aol.com

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:FOR SALE: NOS 26X1.375 Goodyear tyre (599mm) posted by sam on 3/27/2006 at 2:34:56 PM
26x1.375 is for pre war americam lightweight(light roadsters) . The american version of the sports bike---sam
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by: Michael McGettigan on 3/26/2006 at 5:19:22 PM
GREETINGS ... America's oldest (and creakiest) 3-speed event returns to Philadelphia JUNE 28-29-30....
The Great British Bike Weekend will feature the usual rides, rallies, pub tour. dawn time trial and more... new this year -- we cross the mighty Ben Franklin Bridge for the New Jersey edition of "This Old Raleigh" with Brian K. in his new garage.
a full sked will be up soon at trophybikes.com ... or just show up anytime friday or REAL early saturday (6:45am) at the Art Museum and see Clubmans and Tourists lined up in a start line with Trek and Colnago wonderbikes.... Sunday am look for a swap meet IF enough people bring stuff... all activities start/fin at Trophy, 3131 Walnut St. in University City Phila.
thanks and hope to see you all....
Michael McGettigan/trophy bikes phila 215.222.2020
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Wayne on 3/31/2006 at 3:29:51 PM
Hey Kurt,
I am 58 years old and I definitely wear biking clothes.
Why? Because they do the job I need done.
I have had the misfortune of having had 2 fights with cancer and a heart attack. My main therapy for these is 3000+ miles per year on the bike (doctor prescribed). I can average 20+ mph for 40+ miles at a time and do a lot of long distance riding.
Did you know that one of the side effects of chemo therapy can be hyper sensitivity to the sun? I sweat a lot when pushing hard so sun block lotions are useless. Proper cycling clothing (long sleeved jersey, gloves and long tights) allow me to be able to continue the therapy that the doctors want. I have yet to find any other long clothing that will let the sweat wick away well enough for me to be able to do what they and I want.
Am I happy to be alive and fit enough to do this? Yes!
Do I care what I look like? No!
Do I care what small minded people may think of me? No!
There are times and places where the special tools and equipment designed for a purpose do what they are supposed to!
I have a friend who plays golf. On the course he wears spiked shoes. When he walks on hard surfaces with these shoes he looks funny. Maybe we should accuse all golfers who wear these shoes of being gay also?
Get over it!


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Kurt K. on 3/26/2006 at 10:16:13 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but why should Clubmans and Tourists be lined up with Treks and Colnagos of the fruitcake-in-spandex crowd?

I cannot think of any two more clashing and opposite bicycle groups then these.

Frankly, a vintage English cycle festival shouldn't have to be overrun with the fraternal order of gay cyclists in fluorescent pink spandex.

At least that's my opinion. Keep the lyrca loonies out of it - they have enough attention in the media.

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Matthew on 3/27/2006 at 5:58:51 PM
Hi Kurt,

I understand your concerns and we are all entitled to our own opinion but I think you are a little harsh. For choice I use cycle shorts with built in pads for distance work. I'm as straight as a die but I find cycle shorts comfortable on the long run. Yes I look a fool, I'm forty something and 5'4" tall, built like a racing snake, no personal padding in the seat dept so properly made shorts are the answer. It is most certainly not about looks.

No doubt there are gay cyclists out there who wear spandex or lycra for other reasons but that's their choice too. I find anything over ten miles ridden in jeans or cargos quite uncomfortable.

Matthew - each to his own.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Kurt K. on 3/28/2006 at 12:54:50 AM
Hello Matthew,

Perhaps I am being a bit harsh, perhaps due to the fact that most of the local riders in such getups are flaiming fruitcakes.

Frankly, I refuse to wear any current trend of cargo pants or jeans. I ride with my usual semi-formal dress pants, which is appropriate clothing whilst riding upon an English bicycle, in my opinion.

With a Brooks saddle beneath, I have no problem tackling 15+ miles in this fashion without any soreness. Call me Bulletproof Butt if you wish.

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by bike rider on 3/28/2006 at 1:53:48 AM
I can't believe this guy.Maybe we should isolate the short people in a corner some where so they won't contaminate the
the tall ones or perhaps the more portly in another corner. And then those over 30 away from those considered younger.Then watch out for the little people and if any color but white forget it.
Yuk!
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Kurt K. on 3/28/2006 at 3:54:20 AM
Well, Bike Rider, whoever and whatever you may be, perhaps you should take a little trip down here to Miami, Florida, and perhaps you'll understand why I prefer the carbonfiber-trekkies OUT.

As I see it, there was no particular need for these clown suits (or any cycling-specific clothing "gear") in the first place. They are unnessesary gadgets (if you can call them that) that took off only because #1: Many fruitcake roadies saw them as another way of expressing who they were, and, #2: Rich sports-fad-fanatics bought them immidiately to be in on the latest useless trend.

Same phenominon as the current carbon-fiber-frame trend - heck, many bikes made of Reynolds steel tubing are no heavier then the C-F "wonderbikes" - for that matter, the Reynolds frames don't ride as harsh either.

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Kurt K. on 3/28/2006 at 4:01:00 AM
P.S.: For the sake of the forum and members, I will leave it at this.

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/29/2006 at 3:52:20 PM
LOL... Hey, I see all sides of this one. Also got a graphic on Kurt and a lycra clad techno-torture-machine rider sizing each other up at the starting line... Got me chuckling fer sure. ;-)

Yes... it's an interesting coupling of the past, present and future for certain. And actually, not unlike a large motorcycle rallye where the Cruiser Riders size up the Squids (Sportbike Riders), size up the Wing Dings (Goldwing Touring Bike Riders) and vice-versa.

Bottom line... two wheels on the ground, two feet on pedals, wind in yer face....

While the "approach" may vary from rider to rider.... it's all the same result, eh?

BTW... I've had techno-riders ogling my DL-1 with sincere interest. I tell them... you wanna train on THAT for about a month... then, when you hop on you rolling cloud... it will be like riding... NOTHING!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Kurt K. on 3/29/2006 at 8:17:32 PM
>Also got a graphic on Kurt and a lycra clad techno-torture-machine rider sizing each other up at the starting line... Got me chuckling fer sure. ;-)

Been there, done that. Won the race to boot. Was riding my '84 Raleigh Competition.

>BTW... I've had techno-riders ogling my DL-1 with sincere interest. I tell them... you wanna train on THAT for about a month... then, when you hop on you rolling cloud... it will be like riding... NOTHING!

Same here, also had them eyeing my '71 Schwinn Continental once. Told one of them to lift it. Got a kick out of his genuine surprise at it!

Of note, I did have a big half-comical shouting match at one of the LBS recently on the spandex/carbon-fiber issue, in where I made the point that not one of their weight weenies could get a DL-1 rolling faster then 10 mph...

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Matthew on 3/29/2006 at 8:40:35 PM
Ah! The joys of riding a 'roddy' at speeds well in excess of that at which you have a vague chance of stopping. Isn't it peculiar that you don't suffer speed wobble like you do on some MTBs? I guess its a matter of angles. Those upright MTB forks may be good for rocks but they don't perform so well at speed. If I were a bit more enthused about the idea or if I was a distance (cycle) commuter I might try a vee-braked roadster hybrid with SA 4 speed hub. Then I'd probably wear semi formal dress pants (does that mean suit trousers here in Blighty?) cut from lycra - I'm kidding Kurt!

Matthew - and so to bed, Good night one and all.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/30/2006 at 1:00:54 AM
>Been there, done that. Won the race to boot. Was riding my '84 Raleigh Competition

U R... the MAN. :-)

>Same here, also had them eyeing my '71 Schwinn Continental once. Told one of them to lift it. Got a kick out of his genuine surprise at it!

It's fun to watch, certainly!

>Of note, I did have a big half-comical shouting match at one of the LBS recently on the spandex/carbon-fiber issue, in where I made the point that not one of their weight weenies could get a DL-1 rolling faster then 10 mph...

heh heh... It is something once you get one rolling well. I had a "race" with a neighborhood kid on a BMX machine of some sort. He blew me away off the line... but once I got rolling I smoked him... and then thought to myself... "I guess now would be the time to explore the design limts of rod brakes".

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/30/2006 at 1:06:40 AM
>Ah! The joys of riding a 'roddy' at speeds well in excess of that at which you have a vague chance of stopping.

Or at least stopping within the border of the county you are currently riding in.

>Isn't it peculiar that you don't suffer speed wobble like you do on some MTBs? I guess its a matter of angles.

Absolutely. I have a couple of Choppers (not Raleigh, mind you) with EXTREME forks and angles... and they are literally unstable... until you get them REALLY MOVING.

>Those upright MTB forks may be good for rocks but they don't perform so well at speed.

Nope.

>If I were a bit more enthused about the idea or if I was a distance (cycle) commuter I might try a vee-braked roadster hybrid with SA 4 speed hub.

Why not go for a 7 or 8 speed internal hub? I've been pondering that for quite some time. :-S

>Then I'd probably wear semi formal dress pants (does that mean suit trousers here in Blighty?) cut from lycra -

OMG.... :-O

I think you're on to something there Matthew!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Kurt K. on 3/30/2006 at 3:42:17 AM
Matthew:

>Isn't it peculiar that you don't suffer speed wobble like you do on some MTBs?

It's the slack angles, my friend. Nothing better then making a sweeping curve while riding like the wind on a Raleigh Sports.

Trying to turn at high speed while on a DL-1 is a very different story though, shall we say, impossible. Every extra ounce hanging on that front fork is very noticable when you begin to angle the front wheel to the side. Similar (but not as extreme) as the effect Larry mentions on his choppers.

>I was a distance (cycle) commuter I might try a vee-braked roadster hybrid with SA 4 speed hub.

Why a roadster when the Raleigh Sports design is already perfectly suited to the task? Pop on a 4 speed close ratio FM hub (or FW, if you plan to do some hillclimbing), and you're ready to go, stock brakes and all.

>I'm kidding Kurt!

You better be, or I'll march right up to Philly and tie you up in one leg of a pair of plus fours...!

Larry:


>U R... the MAN. :-)

You haven't seen me on my '82 Basso!

>It's fun to watch, certainly!

Yea. Even funnier to watch is these guys when they walk around on their clipless cycle shoes.

>It is something once you get one rolling well.

Funny thing, I'm usually considerably better off the starting line with stock 46-18 (I believe the rear cog is 18t stock, right?) gearing, and I usually lose it in third gear for the jump from direct-drive to 133% is a bit too wide for me to accelerate quickly enough.

>I guess now would be the time to explore the design limts of rod brakes".

I believe my record was 18 mph on my Rudge before I chickened out. On a city sidewalk in the rain. Took about the same distance as a 4-car commuter train consist takes to come to a complete stop from 40mph.

No pedestrians were injured in the conducting of this test.

>and they are literally unstable... until you get them REALLY MOVING.

Yea. And once you're moving straight, you're pretty much stuck going straight...

Speaking of those MTB forks, I note that the twitchy handling of straight forks are, for better or worse (mainly the latter), extremely popular with most Craigslisters. These same people can't stand anything with the slightest of additional rake to it.

Go figure - this probably explains why modern hybrids have straight front forks as well - popular (read=idiotic) preference of modern "leisure" cyclists...

>Why not go for a 7 or 8 speed internal hub? I've been pondering that for quite some time. :-S

Because anything past 6 speeds are a royal pain to shift comfortably on one lever, and grip-shifts are a PITA.

Design me a 6-speed Sturmey hub with a thumb-action shifter similar to the old Suntour Express system, and I'll be a very happy camper.

Take care,

-Kurt
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Jeff on 3/30/2006 at 4:16:13 PM
I just spent the winter converting my old Jazz Voltage to a Shimano inter 7. I threw away the derailler stuff. My LBS laced the Shimano hub to my old wheel for 25 bucks. I put upright bars and a B-72 on it and just love my brand new bike. Fenders and a rack of course. I think it weighs as much as 5 Litespeeds. I am now working on a 1973 Sports that I found leaning against a garage and when I inquired, was told to just take it. It's been sitting outside too long but will come back just fine. I turned 58 today and can't understand why I haven't been doing this all my life. Also I have declared my body a spandex free zone. My friends appreciate that.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great Brit Bike Weekend returns to Phila posted by Matthew on 3/30/2006 at 6:13:23 PM
Perhaps we should drop the lycra / spandex subject or we attract folks thta don't ride bikes at all but wear those fabrics (is it a bird? is it a plane? no its Lycraman!)

However lets keep on with the modded roadsters, and sports. Do you realise that a trade bike (cycletruck) with any gears is modified! GPO bikes only got hub gears in 1989. Until then the design hadn't changed since 1929, could that be a record? The longest single design production industrial bicycle in the world? Made by just about every volume cycle maker in the UK, and his dog.

Dare we take the modifications into the cyclemotor arena? My wider family suffered a death by cyclemotor in the 1950's when a distant relative hit the rear of an open rear platform double decker bus in the rain, due to inadequate brakes. He was ridng a cyclemotor. What a thoroughly British way to die.

Keep 'em coming this is a good thread, bad bits and all.

Matthew - rod brakes for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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WANTED:   27" Dunlop 40 hole rim posted by: Ted Trambley on 3/26/2006 at 6:48:27 AM
Just picked up a 51 Raleigh Clubman and would like to begin a restoration but first I need to find a 27" Dunlop 40 hole rim. Anyone have one or know where I might look? Ted
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MISC:   Copake swap/auction posted by: Neal on 3/25/2006 at 6:03:37 PM
Anyone have any experience with the Copake, NY, swap meet and auction? http://www.copakeauction.com/bicycles/2006bicycle.html

I'm trying to figure out if it's worth heading over that way.

Thanks,

Neal
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