MISC:   Front Axil Cones posted by: Dale on 3/6/2007 at 8:48:43 PM
I've poked around parts websites, this list's host shop and others, and am unable to locate an axil set (or just the cones) for a Raleigh front wheel. I mean the one with the safety features (stop on axil, shoulders on cones, wrench flats on one side only).

Anybody know of a source, or a universal replacement that would work in a pinch?

Barring that, I've asked a machinist friend to price making a bunch for me. Is there a demand out there for spares? i.e. if I make up 50 or 100, do you think I could sell most of them?
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   RE:MISC:  Raleigh spigoted front axle cones posted by Chris on 3/6/2007 at 9:25:21 PM
Yes! Yes there is a demand for them. Unless you want to search e- bay forever looking and then bid against others who want these parts and risk losing out by being over bid.

These are not easy to find otherwise. I have been raiding a lot of shops looking for exactly this very part for many years and never really did hit the jackpot and find a lot of these. The spigots or shouldered cones fit into the Raleigh front fork.

Over all, there has been a huge, massive, over- looked, let down screw up as far as offering quality replacement parts and tools for these bikes.

Recently, we have had posts here from a fellow who has decided to make a tool to remove the famous (or infamous) Raleigh bottom bracket fixed cup. Also removes the adjustable cup as well. It is a well made and I feel the best tool so far offered for this area of Raleigh repair.
It was really cool to see somebody make a top quality tool and this fellow has gone and done it.
We are all waiting for Mark to offer this tool to us.
Price particulars, address to send payment to and all that.
The Raleigh bicycle handles like a dream with new cups and cones and I am excited to see your post.
Yes, now we'll be able to get front hub cones as well.
Keep in touch.
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   RE:MISC:   Front Axil Cones posted by Dale on 3/6/2007 at 9:47:50 PM
I've almost always been able to remove a fixed cup by using a 5/8" bolt. Fit it from the inside, add a lock washer and nut to the outside. Tighten it with a big wrench and keep tightening, it will eventually start turning the cup. File wrench flats on the end of the bolt so you can hold it in place until the nut tightens up.

Sometimes the cup is just plain rusted in place and it won't budge.

Not to say that a well made tool wouldn't be better. I remember using one when I worked in a Raleigh shop in the 70s, I think it was made by TDC.
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   RE:MISC:   Front Axil Cones posted by Ed on 3/7/2007 at 5:04:17 AM
I have re-surfaced the contact point of a pitted cone. I put the axle and cone in my drill press and spin it at 3000 rpm. I then use a high speed rotary tool to grind off high spots. This will work on small piting. Large piting turns out lopsided. If I can't fix it I replace it using a small OLD (over locknut dimension) hub. The secret is to use Schwinn axle retension washers or autmotive brake drum flanged washers cut down. Ed
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   RE:MISC: Front Axil Cones posted by Mark Stonich on 3/8/2007 at 4:33:13 AM
Yes there is a demand. I'd want some, maybe quite a few if the price was right.

When I came up with my cotter press idea, I asked on several old bike discussion groups to see if there was interest. I got 10 positive responses, so I took a chance and had an initial batch of 20 made. So far I've sold about 120 of them. I haven't even had time to post to various groups that I did have a batch of the fixed cup removing tools made. But I've already sold 12.

Interest in old roadsters is booming. Machine shops are hurting for work due to so much work going off shore. There is room for a small cottage industry consisting of a network of individuals and shops having needed parts reproduced. We could all link to each other's sites for specific parts.

I would publicize your cones for you on http://groups.google.com/group/gentlemancyclist?hl=en Better yet, join and do it yourself. In fact joining there now and asking about demand for cones wouldn't hurt. This is a new group that should grow pretty large, as it's intended to replace RollBrittania, which Yahoo suddenly removed a few years ago.

Peter Kohler had some beautiful, and super comfortable Raleigh Repro grips made. I think he still has some.

Jon Sharratt had stainless Pulleys and Fulcrum Clip Cable Stops made by the same guys who make my tools.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/'steinborn/gentlemancyclistmerchandise.htm

A shop in England had a batch of old style outer rear axle nuts made to fit Sturmey Archer. You can get cheap aftermarket ones, but they don't look right.

If your machinists aren't up to the task, my CNC guys already make cones etc. for antique bikes.

Dale wrote "I've almost always been able to remove a fixed cup by using a 5/8" bolt."

The big bolt method works less well on old 3 speed type cups than others. There is very little surface area to contact the outer washer with these cups. So to get enough friction to remove the cups pressures get quite high. In worst-case situations, where they are really stuck, there is just no way to get enough friction. And the corners of the flats are very brittle. You can see the small surface area and the resulting damage in http://www.bikesmithdesign.com/BBTool/damage.jpg

When the bolt method wouldn't remove this cup, I bought a Kingsbridge tool figuring finer threads = more pressure = more friction. Still no go. Then I had a tool made that became the prototype for my remover. This removed the damaged cup without any problems.

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   RE:MISC:   Front Axil Cones posted by Ed on 3/8/2007 at 11:01:20 PM
I think the re-make of cones is far far more work than making a set of nuts that are like the pre war Raleigh type. Those had the spigot on the nut. most likely easy to make on my drillpress. Find a good hub and spoke a wheel. Ed
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MISC:   Front Axil Cones posted by: Dale on 3/6/2007 at 8:48:43 PM
I've poked around parts websites, this list's host shop and others, and am unable to locate an axil set (or just the cones) for a Raleigh front wheel. I mean the one with the safety features (stop on axil, shoulders on cones, wrench flats on one side only).

Anybody know of a source, or a universal replacement that would work in a pinch?

Barring that, I've asked a machinist friend to price making a bunch for me. Is there a demand out there for spares? i.e. if I make up 50 or 100, do you think I could sell most of them?
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   RE:MISC:   Front Axil Cones posted by Nick on 3/7/2007 at 5:40:40 PM
I had my front axle snap 10 miles away from home and had a great walk home after 10 hours of fishing on a really hot day. I've found that Derek at www.oldbiketrader.co.uk can supply good replacements(although without stop, but that's irrelevant anyway). I think they cost about twelve dollars each including both cones and locknuts. I've done 1300 miles on that refitted front wheel and it's been great. I also bought another to carry with me, just in case it ever happens again. Hope that helps, cheers, Nick.
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MISC:   SA indicators posted by: David on 3/6/2007 at 10:21:10 AM
Anyone have an idea what the indicators that include a spring in the linkage are for? (Ebay item # 280089992888) The length appears to be 48mm, appropriate for the 146mm axle)
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   RE:MISC:   SA indicators posted by Chris on 3/6/2007 at 7:30:17 PM
I think that they have to do with correcting some idiosync whatever problem with one of the Sturmey- Archer 5 speed hubs.
This is my best guess.
My collector pal told me to covet the ones with the springs. like you mention.
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   RE:MISC: SA indicators posted by Stephen on 3/6/2007 at 10:36:47 PM
The explanation I got from a bicycle store a number of years ago was that this was intended for bicyclists that did not want to coordinate shifting pedaling, even for a three speed (i.e. even the AW). If the bicyclist did not let up on the pedals when shifting, the spring would expand (since the pressure would keep the hub from shifting well), and then finally shift when there was less pressure on the hub.
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   RE:RE:MISC: SA indicators posted by Chris on 3/7/2007 at 9:32:43 AM
We have a winner here! Give Stephen a cigar!
Makes sense especially as this is a A.W. type rod piece hooked to the spring.
i went thru a shop a number of years ago and the wife while on an award winning dealer's factory visit remembered seeing the factory tolling make the indicator chains.
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   RE:MISC:   SA indicators posted by David on 3/8/2007 at 12:18:52 PM
I don't see what the diff is between using the regular springless indicator and the ones with the spring. In either case you can shift the trigger to the higher gear while you're still putting a lot of torque on the crank and the hub will shift up automatically when the torque eases (just like a Hydra-matic!!)
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AGE / VALUE:   Keys Available for Raleigh Superbe N.G.N. series posted by: Chris on 3/5/2007 at 8:55:58 AM
If your Raleigh Superbe is missing the key to the locking fork. Or if the bike's lock is the N.G.N. series I may have your key.

Look on the face of the lock, where the key goes in. It'll say N.G.N.( something)
e- mail me and tell me your lock number.
I'll answer and let you know if I have it. Keys are $12.00 postage included.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Keys Available for Raleigh Superbe N.G.N. series posted by Chris on 3/5/2007 at 9:03:00 AM
e- mail is: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com
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AGE / VALUE:   50's Or 60's Schwinn roadster posted by: Smitty on 3/3/2007 at 12:15:18 PM
There is a 50's or 60's roadster sitting in front of an antique shop in ST Charles MO (west of St louis). It is marked 100$. Not worth it because it is starting to rust. I am not interested in at all. If it was English that would be different. It has 3 speed (internal hub)New departure stuff on it not SA. One of you guys need to rescue it before it gets to bad. Seat is already shot. It is on north second street in the old banner equipment building. Make them an offer or just steel the thing if you have to. I cant stand seeing it rot like that any more I go by there all the time. I also posted this in the ballon section also.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   50's Or 60's Schwinn roadster posted by Chris on 3/4/2007 at 10:00:10 AM
Just "steal" the thing you mean. What do I tell the cops when they ask why I stole a bike in such a sorry state of disrepair? Sorry, I'll have to decline your request.

I understand what you are trying to say however.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: 50's Or 60's Schwinn roadster posted by sam on 3/4/2007 at 11:40:30 AM
If I were you I'd go make the offer---a multi speed( 2 or 3) New Departure hub(compleat with shifter) goes for over $100
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   50's Or 60's Schwinn roadster posted by Smitty on 3/4/2007 at 9:40:21 PM
I was kinda kidding with the steal thing. You know what I'm talking about. I will maybe have to take a closer look at it. The thing may even be prewar. I don't know schwinns that well. And no I will not steal it!
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   50's Or 60's Schwinn roadster posted by Chris on 3/5/2007 at 3:26:00 AM
Awesome. That's what I thought you'd say. This way your collection won't have to be sold to raise bail money and you'll be able to come to the Ann Arbor swap meet in April!
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