ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colors posted by: Kit Thomas on 6/17/2007 at 4:58:18 PM
Gentlemen,

Has anyone ever seen or does anyone know of a mid 50's Raleigh Sports painted in their color code CF-23, Rich Burgundy?

Best regards,
Kit Thomas
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colors posted by Chris on 6/19/2007 at 4:51:59 PM
I think that color plays an important part. If it is in a rare color that has poptntial buyers whispering: "OOHH, AAHH OOHH' then yes.

There are far reaching distinctions concerning color. this or that year only had this color available.

1960's- 1970's Schwinn musclebike tires fetch hundreds for one 20 inch rear slick tire because it has a green stripe on a black tire or so forth. collectors who know and obsess on this recognize and pay $600.00 and up for one tire I have seen it done.

original paint, in good shape, good chrome, a bike complete and period correct and no rust and if it has been well kept and is unmolested as bike people say then condition is also important.

I am willing to pay far more for certain models in certain colors and then condition plays the second half.
You don't see the bikes at all for sale if it is in a marvelous rare color.
We cannot duplicate these colors. Nowhere in the vintage bicycle marketplace is it being done.
I see well known bike painters mess up jobs.
I heard that to match the exact shade of a Bianchi Blue the paint was only found in Iran and due to current situations...... Forget it.

Have box lining or pinstriping done by an expert and pay the costs because that messes up the whole job unless you have an old world master do it.

When paint codes are cracked and this problem solved. Old bikes will come in on one end like raw materials and come out the other end and you'll think you were back in time in the factory or in the shops.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Colors posted by Chris on 6/19/2007 at 4:57:27 PM
Sam is pointing out an original catalog put out by the company. These brochures were as close to actual as possible in print. Yet, and no offence to Sam, because he's a bike god to me but this catalog showing the colors looks aweful.
Usually catalogs show the bikes as stunning but this paint brochure of Sams works the other way.


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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colors posted by Chris on 6/19/2007 at 4:59:03 PM
I have seen this Rich burgandy color myself and it is stunning. Gold pinstriping on burgandy, brilliant chrome.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colors posted by Chris on 6/19/2007 at 5:15:38 PM
If I am being driven back to the bank or A.T.M. while seeing stars and little blue birds circling my head it's because the bike is so rare and delicious in that special color that the seller remarks. You gonna pay extra because of that color! that is so nice and rare that it makes the bike easier to sell because of it's rare color. Otherwise I'd say No or it'd go cheap.

If I'm saying yes, yes, whatever yes, Oh I want it. If I beg to have them hold it until I return from the bank with cash bills to lay on the glass showcase or on his desk, then you know it's a rare color bike in mint shape.

Otherwise, it's: You Bring me here for this? This common thing? What is special about it?

It has to be special. Life is too short.
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colors posted by Chris on 6/19/2007 at 5:22:48 PM
The only other time we ever see stars and little blue birds is when we carelessly ride the bike and get off the seat and it goes out of gear and we slip onto the top bar. Keep the Sturmey- Archer 3 speed A.W. hubs in proper adjustment and stay on the saddle at all times just in case.

I'd rather have a seller klonk me on the head pricewise and with me on my knees in front of the bike stunned at the beauty of a rare color a rare model in marvelous shape.

I said: "Oh, Whatever$$ you want, Just drive me to the bank."
Another fellow whispered that the bike was never seen in the condition it was in. We all marveled at it. Me, on my knees to see it up close.
No other customer loves Raleigh's as much as me he said.
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   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Colors posted by sam on 6/19/2007 at 6:21:17 PM
No offence taken,old friend.Colors printed in a catalog are just that---prints---not paint.They were intended to show the customer what colors were avalible--the true painted frame is the only real thing.One problem with paint today is the size of the color grains---paint being made for the autos today has a larger grain than paint of years past--so even when the "color" is matched the paint doesn't.I'm sure their are 100s of other reasons too.
In short---take good care of your frame so it stays original.
On the plus side of paint---todays paint is some of the best paints ever made--I do beleave the black paint offered today is very close to 1920s black.It can be applied very hard and shinney like the slow baked plactic paints no longer made.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Colors posted by Edward in vancouver on 6/17/2007 at 9:34:24 PM
Maybe....

I have a beat-up mid 50's Sports with a much faded burgundy colour. Is the colour code part of the serial #?
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Colors posted by Neal on 6/18/2007 at 10:18:01 AM
Kit, I've hopefully put in a link to a Raleigh color chart from the mid 50s. I'm not sure of the exact year or quite which catalog it's from, but you'll see that "crimson" might be the color you're looking for as it's listed as available on the Sports model. I also don't know if these were UK-only available colors or if they were US and UK colors.

Neal


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colors posted by Kit Thomas on 6/18/2007 at 7:34:20 PM
Gentlemen,

Thank you very much for the replies. The color to which I referred was shown in a Raleigh Dealer's guide published in 1955 for the British market. The particles of metal flake were very fine and slightly translucent. I don't have any idea what colors went to what country or if their was any rationale applied to color at all given the preponderance of the Almighty Black and Green, but I am very interested in the distribution of the "other" colors because I believe that issue goes right to the greater issue of rarity. Does anybody have any data on color, or is color one of those things we'll always have to scratch our heads over? Alack!

But, again, thank you for the help and the support.

Best regards,
Kit

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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Colors posted by sam on 6/18/2007 at 7:44:44 PM
Rudge color chart from late 50s early 60s
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/frameteam2003/Rudge060001.jpg


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   1947 Raleigh Color chart posted by Skip Intro on 6/19/2007 at 5:18:01 AM
From the Picture Database here on OldRoads.com

http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?672&mod=Color_Chart&mak=Raleigh
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   RE:1947 Raleigh Color chart posted by Chris on 6/19/2007 at 2:11:08 PM
The rebirth of the classic British bicycle will not happen until this problem of paint is solved and then, Look Out!
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colors posted by Kit Thomas on 6/19/2007 at 4:24:13 PM
Gentlemen,

Could color, or better yet, the infrequency of the appearance in the marketplace of the diverse Raleigh color palette have any significant impact on the value of pre-'64
Raleighs or will value always go back to condition, condition, condition?

Best regards,
Kit
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MISC:   Italian Roadster?? Bianchi posted by: ronp6 on 6/17/2007 at 2:54:36 PM
This was a new one to me but it looks like an old Raleigh or old Dutch bike.

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/354008824.html

I thought someone might find it interesting.

RonP6
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MISC:   Italian Roadster?? Bianchi posted by: ronp6 on 6/17/2007 at 2:54:36 PM
This was a new one to me but it looks like an old Raleigh or old Dutch bike.

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/354008824.html

I thought someone might find it interesting.

RonP6
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   RE:RE:MISC:   Italian Roadster?? Bianchi posted by C. Hammond on 6/20/2007 at 10:21:46 PM


I spotted a few old Bianchis similar to this in Rome and Florence last year. Whenever I asked about them, I was always told, "That's my grandfather's bike." Still cruising the piazza...



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   RE:MISC:   Italian Roadster?? Bianchi posted by Chris on 6/18/2007 at 4:21:44 PM
Nice rod brake linkage that runs inside the handlebars. Pray those don't break because if they do?
You are so totally S.O.L. if they do. Replacement parts for this? Forget it.

Magical, marvelous bike nonethe less
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   RE:MISC:   Italian Roadster?? Bianchi posted by Matthew on 6/19/2007 at 10:35:59 AM
Bianchi are famous for lightweights. Outside of the land of Nero and Garibaldi this is a rare beast. Probably worth much more than it will fetch.

Matthew - hats off to Bianchi
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AGE / VALUE:   "Hype" sells? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/17/2007 at 4:50:39 AM
I gotta say... I'm quite surprised this 10 speed Sprite 27 has bid up this high....

Ebay item 220120686095

If the sellor is in here... I have three of these in the basement... if you can sell them at this price... we can split the money! ;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by Warren on 6/17/2007 at 6:16:29 AM
That ain't no leather Brooks saddle neither (is that a triple negative)
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/18/2007 at 2:17:10 AM
Yes it were! Well said! ;=)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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FOR SALE:   Long SA axles posted by: David on 6/16/2007 at 5:17:31 PM
I have several 159mm AW axles (not quite as long as the newer 163mm ones) suitable for use in regular 10-speed frames with 120mm dropout spacing. The AW with a 27" or 700C wheel bike is really pleasant. I also have the longer indicator spindles to go with them. $15 shipped by priority mail to US. email: beandk at rcn dot com.
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