AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. FRONT RACK PROJECT posted by: Chris on 9/6/2007 at 7:27:32 AM
I am searching for somebody who will take a front wheel bicycle rack from me and make another one (only slightly modified) out of steel and I want to see these racks sold.

I want this new, front wheel bicycle rack sold to people here. Sold to folks who have a 28 inch wheel Rod brake Raleigh Tourist or B..S.A. OR Phillip's. Bike.

I have a large duffle bag on this rack already and if somebody could make another one only longer and with some changes they would make some money off of it.

What I have is working out wonderfully and I don't want to give it up but at the end of the season I will.

I am searching for somebody who cvan take bar steel and bend it and fabricate another rack.

I will loan out the rack I have and all my notes and ideas and do all I can to make the project a financial success.

I have not seen these particular model of bikes with front wheel racks before and the time is now.
I am impressed with Mark Stonich and his tool for the Raleigh fixed cup problem. Mark has solved this problem.

A small advertisement button should appear here on old roads and you click on the button to be taken via link to marks site and so folks here can jump in and order a tool from Mark. Mark should be making money up the wazoo from sales of this tool.

other button links for baskets, for tires, for parts and especially for new innovative ideas that concern the improvement and help fan the flames of the popularity of the rebirth of the English 3 speed bicycle.

If you are the person who can take this rack and my ideas and make it happen please contact me. I want to see these on every Raleigh Tourist 28 inch wheel bike on the planet.

The Raleigh Tourist 28 inch wheel rod brake bike was the soul of the Raleigh Company. Why it was not updated, hop- ed up. Made anew with new technology and tubing I'll never understand it.

It could have infused new life in the market.

Please e- mail

humberchristopher29@hotmail.com

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. FRONT RACK PROJECT posted by chris on 9/6/2007 at 7:50:32 AM
Take the rear fenders off the the old 1950's Raleigh tourist. The rolled or pressed steel mudguards.
Copy them in today's plastic material. Have the set resemble the original steel ones. Copy the white tip, fabricate a nice old rubber reflector. Use the wire stays like on the US.A. import Raleigh Tourist D.L.1.'s and use this with the mudguards.

Make an aftermarket item that folks are kicking down the doors to get.

Copy the original, have a large, gold, red and black Raleigh Heron on the rear with the words

THE RALEIGH
NOTTINGHAM, ENGLAND

on it.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. FRONT RACK PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 7:52:07 AM
new front handlebars in alloy. Adjustable, ones that copy EXACTLY the original Raleigh north road raised bars ONLY WITH IMPROVEMENTS!
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 7:59:58 AM
Pull out the 08gc spindle out of the 28 inch wheel Raleigh tourist D.L.1 bike.

hand it to a machinist and have it copied out exactly only with square ends and a hole drilled and tapped to take a modern cotterless crank set.

Now the crank set we are going to make another one.

This one with a Raleigh heron with the 1950 eyelets on the birds face. Smaller, fewer teeth maybe 32 tooth, in alloy or steel

use the old Union Raleigh pedal from the 1970's in this.

recreate, redesign and sell them. The original steel Raleigh crank set was too large. It sabotaged the Sturmey- Archer 3 speed hubs. The drivetrain was not practical and was not make designed by a rider of bicycles. Whomever thought up that ratio drove a car and did not commute on a 28 inch wheel rod brke Raleigh Tourist D.L.1.

COPY THE CRANKSET
COPY IT IN ALLOY
MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY IN THE PAST AT ORIGINAL RALEIGH COMPANY MADE IT.
NO MORE COTTER PINS
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 8:03:31 AM
PLEASE TAKE MY 24 INCH RALEIGH TOURIST ROD BRAKE BICYCLE AND INSTEAD OF THIS 20 30 CARBON WHATEVER TUBING.

MAKE ANOTHER FRAME OUT OF RENOLDS MODERN TUBING. OR IN ALLOY TUBING THAT IS AVAILABLE TODAY.

TO HELL WITH STEEL. KEEP THE STEEL FORK, KEEP THE STEEL REAR BACKSTAY IF YOU MUST.

I want beautiful little REYNOLDS 531 OR 753 OR WHATEVER underneath my seat on the down tube.
I want a light weight raleigh Tourtist D.L.1. rod brake bike. Not a steel frame bike.
Understand?
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 8:05:37 AM
I WANT LUSCIOUS COPIES OF RALEIGH FAMOUS PAINTS FROM THE PAST TO GLORIOUSLY MAGICALLY COAT THESE BIKES. I WANT REAL GOLD PAINT BOX LINING.

GREENS AND SHINY BLACKS
I WANT THE PASSION OF MOTORCYCLE PAINT ON THESE BIKES
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 8:13:56 AM
I WANT LEATHER BAGS. LEATHER PANNIER BOXES, LEATHER HANDLEBAR GRIPS. I WANT THE BROOKS COMPANY TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS LIKE PRADA AND MANOLO BLANIK DOES WITH THEIR SHOES THAT COST $480.00 A PAIR

I WANT THE BROOKS NAME ON THESE PRODUCTS. I WANT BROOKS TO MAKE A FORTUNE AND BE A GREAT COMPANY WITH LARGE BUILDINGS LIKE THEY WERE IN THE PAST.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 8:41:29 AM
I WANT RED RUBBER BALLOON TIRES IN 28 X 1 1/2 SIZE

I WANT DISC BRAKES.

OR RADICALLY IMPROVED RODS THAT USE KOOL STOP/ SCOTT MATHAUSER PADS

I WANT NEW REDESIGNED MATERIAL MOULDED INTO EXACT COPIES OF 1915 ERA ROD BRAKE RIMS

I WANT THE BIKE TO STOP ON A DIME.

I WANT MOUNTAIN BIKE BRAKES TECHNOLOGY IN THIS REBORN RALEIGH.

I WANT NEW, RE-BORN CHROME STEEL BELLS WITH SIR WALTER OR THE PHILLIPS LION OR WITH THE UNION JACK FLAG ON IT.
I WANT THESE PARTS

ALL OF IT, MADE IN BRITAIN.

IT CANNOT AND MUST NOT SMACK OF RE- POP. OR REMANUFACTURE. THIS IS A REBIRTH. A NEW THING.

QUALITY MUST KICK ASS OR THIS WILL FAIL. THIS IS TOO GREAT TO FAIL.

I WANT WICKER BASKETS LIKE THE MAKER OF WICKER BASKETS THE SURFACED HERE ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO.

I WANT A LINK BUTTON HERE ON OLD ROADS. I WANT THE MAKER AND DISTRIBUTOR TO MAKE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY EVERY MONTH OFF OF THE SALE OF THEIR BASKETS.

I WANT EXACTEMENT
ENTHUIASIM, LUSCIOUS TRADE DINNERS LIKE IN THE PAST.

I WANT A DISTRIBUTOR SHIP IN THIS NEW ENTERPRISE. LARGE RALEIGH HERON LOGOS WITH DIAMONDS IN THE EYES.
I WANT CLASS, GOOD MORALS, NO SLEAZY ADVERTISEMENTS.

THIS MUST HAVE MOJO. IT MUST BE "COOL AS ALL HELL DUDE" EXCITEMENT.

I WANT THE RALEIGH BICYCLE COMPANY
REBORN CLASSICS DIVISION

TO CARRY THE "VON DUTCH" MOJO.

I SEE YOUNG 19 YEAR OLD GIRLS WEARING VON DUTCH HATS. ITS SEXY, IT'S COOL.

I WANT RALEIGH TO POSSESS THIS MOJO.

PRADA, MANOLO BLAHNIK SHOES, THE CLASS OF A LEATHER COACK HANDBAG.

I WANT RALEIGH BICYCLES U.K. TO HAVE THE MAGIC AND MOJO OF LOUIS VUITTON.

I WANT BROOKS LEATHER TO CARRY THE SAME MAGIC AS LOUIS VUITTON.

SELL ME THE SIZZLE! EVERYBODY IS CARRYING A LOUIS VUITTON HANDBAG AND COPIES ARE EVERYPLACE.

DIP YOUR FINGERS IN RALEIGH'S PAST. INTO THE MAGIC AND ALLURE OF ALL THAT WAS GREAT IN THE PAST OF B.S.A. ESPECIALLY SUNBEAM!

OH GOD! USE THE SUNBEAM NAME. PERHAPS IT HAS MORE NAME RECOGNITION AND MAGIC AND CLASS THAN RALEIGH ITSELF.
DIP YOUR FINGERS AND PAINTBRUSH INTO THE PAST AND PAINT ME A MASTERPIECE!

I WANT OLD 1930'S LIGHT SETS HEADLIGHTS RE- FITTED WITH HALOGEN OR LED KICK BUTT HEALIGHTS. THE CLASS OF THE PAST MARRIED WITH TODAYS ADVANCED LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY.

KEEP THE OLD TAIL LIGHTS AS THEY WERE, USE A HALOGEN BULB.

MAKE THE BIKES ELEGANT, SEXY, MAKE THEM BEAUTIFUL AND WORK OVERTIME AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY DOING IT.

I WANT KINGS IN ROYAL ROBES STANDING IN THE ASSEMBLY LINE WATCHING AS THE GOLD LEAF/ FOIL DECALS ARE BEING FITTED TO MACHINES BOUND FOR EXPORT TO HIS MAGISTY'S KINGDOM.

KINGS AND IMPORTANT LEADERS MADE PILGRIMAGES TO RALEIGH TO SEE WITH GREAT INTEREST THE BIKES BEING MADE IN A MAGICAL PLACE CALLED THE RALEIGH CYCLE WORKS IN NOTTINGHAM, ENGLAND.

MOVIE ACTRESS, LOVLY LADIES, IN ELEGANT AND SEXY GOWNS POSED ASTRIDE RALEIGH BICYCLES. THEY TRAVELED AND WERE PHOTOGRAPHED ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE.

PAINTERS AND PENCIL ARTISTS WORKED CHOSING THE MEN OF NOTTINGHAM ASSEMBLING THE WORLD FAMOUS RALEIGH BICYCLE AS THEIR SUBJECTS.

GET THE MAGIC BACK!

IT'S ALL FORGOTTEN. IT'S ALL GONE.

THE SOUL AND SPIRIT CAN BE CARRIED IN YOUR HEART AND THIS
WONDERFUL THING THAT PROVIDED A VERY GOOD LIVING TO CYCLE DEALERS, JOBBERS, WORKERS AND ADMINISTRATORS CAN BE REBORN.

AT THE TRADE DINNERS THEY WILL SERVE LOBSTER, AND BEEF AND A GOURMET DINNER AND A OPEN BAR. THERE WILL BE NEW PRODUCTS, WE'LL HEAR ABOUT EXPANDING MARKETS AND EXCITING STORIES AND WE ARE ALL DRESSED UP IN OUR BEST. A TRADE DINNER WITH 1000 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.

A SHOW, A DANCE, A NIGHT OF ENTERTAINMENT LOOKED FORWARD TO ALL YEAR LONG BY THE STAFF AND THE WIVES.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 8:59:58 AM
I am speaking about the rebirth of a great company. About the rebirth of a great bicycle. All that hard work to absorb all those competing companies and acquire all those marvelous names and for what?

The Gucci clothing line
Prada
Manolo
The reborn mojo of Ducatti motorcycles

Look at what happened with Harley Davidson!
The excitement,passion, thrill,

you buy a Raleigh bicycle because it has something you can't define in words that is something you want to own and be a part of.

In Britain, you buy a Raleigh bicycle bevcause it is a thing woven in the fabric of Britain that you are proud of being a part of.

I feel like old growling Micky the boxing trainer in the Rocky movies. I'm saying: GET UP KID!CAUSE MICKY LOVES YA!

IF YOU STUDY THE PAST CONCERNING THESE OLD BIKES BE IT RALEIGH, OR PHILLIPS OR SUNBEAM OR BIANCHI OR CAMPAGNOLO OR PERSONALITIES LIKE ALBERT POPE OR IGNATZ SCHWINN, AND RIDERS LIKE MAJOR TAYLOR. AS WE STUDY CATALOGS AND ARTWORK, AND STUDY THE BIKES THAT WE PULL OUT OF BARNS. THE SPARK OF WHAT MAKES US AGRESSIVLY BID TO OWN SOMETHING ON E- BAY. DON'T YOU DESIRE TO SEE IT REBORN, TODAY?
DON'T YOU DESIRE TO BE A PART OF IT YOURSELF?

I DO.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Pete. on 9/6/2007 at 9:09:04 AM
Chris,,,,,you sure do want a lot!
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 9:09:30 AM
Clothing lines, posters, calenders, t- shirts, hats, instructional videos, bicycle repair overhaul, diversify,
be daring, adventerous, Michelin's Mr Bib was a hero, an adventerour, a conquror.

Think. What will be more fun and profitable than mountain biking?
Think
Inagine

and dream
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. PROJECT posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 9:34:24 AM
glorious posters! sexy, cool, alluring, fun, exciting,
A picnic basket a bottle of wine, a blanket, a cycling picnic dinner for two on the bike trail. I want to see deer, pheasant, rabbits, squirrels, wildlife.
I want to stop and fish and eat trout.
A tent packed in the bike.

aluminum sidecars for bicycles!

classic and futureistic designs.
The flying bicycle!

I want to ride a flying bicycle before I die.
What is going to be the next big thing?
The thing you are looking forward to doing this weekend?

Oh nobody goes Mountain biking anymore! Not since _____- was invented!

Imaging what that will be!
I want: the future so bring you gotta wear shades!
Hosteling, like it was.....
cafes

The glorious past as far as bicycles and bicycle companies and related companies like Brooks.
It was so bright and exciting!
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. FRONT RACK PROJECT posted by mark stonich on 9/6/2007 at 11:05:22 AM
First, Thanks for plugging my BB tool. It's not selling badly, but sales of the Cotter Presses has really taken off.

The things you want to see would be nice, but what everyone seems to be looking for is front axle cones. I'd be happy to find a large stash of old cones from the '50s. Cones from a well worn Raleigh from the '50s are usually perfect. Those from a lightly used Raleigh from the '70s are almost always shot.

My machinist says the older ones were probably made from good steel and heat treated so they are hard all the way through. The newer ones were probably cheap, easy to machine steel that was the case hardened to give a hard, but thin surface. One you wear through those few thousandths you are into the soft stuff.

We've talked about doing a run of replacement cones, but don't know how much interest there is. They have made custom cones for antique bikes. But to get the unit price down, a fairly large number would have to be made.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. FRONT RACK PROJECT posted by JDuck on 9/8/2007 at 9:27:50 AM
Boy Chris, you don't want much, but then I want it too! When I finally buy the right lottery ticket, I will call you and we will do it all, and in Nottingham too.
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AGE / VALUE:   Lock it up, lock it good, lock it right or lose it posted by: Chris on 9/5/2007 at 3:54:31 PM
A thing I am sick of is having to carry and use a lock with the bike.

Finding a decent place to lock up a bike is also a pain.

I am riding the bus and if the bike carrier is full on the bus then bus does not even stop for me. What can the driver do?
I wait for the next bus and pray that thae carrier has room for me.
gravel and broken glass. Drivers that don't watch out.

I don't like it that I cannot ride to a modern shop and find common replacement parts for my 3 speed bike today.

Today's busses rattle like crazy and ride hard and the seats are hard.

All this riding has affected my appetite. I eat less. I desire to eat less and get full more quickly. The metabolism has changed. My legs are like bands of steel but I still have the belly. I don't think bike riding does anything for a belly. I let myself go and getting myself back into shape will not be easy.
People can't believe how far I am riding this bike even with the bus helping out I am going all over just like with the car.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lock it up, lock it good, lock it right or lose it posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/6/2007 at 2:30:06 AM
>My legs are like bands of steel but I still have the belly.

Now how many of us can identify with THAT.... I have the same thing going on and it's frustrating... but I do believe... that if I can keep the caloric intake down... eventually, that will start to shrink.

As to the dubious buses... dunno... don't ride them.

Hang in... keep riding. Eventually, it will come off!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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AGE / VALUE:   ringey, dingy, bell.... repossesion! posted by: Chris on 9/5/2007 at 7:09:24 AM
I found a Lucas bell that I gave to a lady pal left outside with the bike to rust. This was the new, old stock Lucas bell, out of the box. An "indian giver" is somebody who takes back something they gave you if you disrespect them or the gift they gave you. This is not my nature but in light of the overwhelming disrespect both to me and the bell, I took it back.

I oiled the bells inner workings and it rings like new. I saved it, just in time. Other things, Not so lucky. Other day, I leaned down and sat in, a new, red, $55,000.00 Porche. Money blown/ lost in a relationship from hell.
Could have had the car. Could have paid cash. I drew it out and handed it to a lawyer instead.
But!! She is poor, in debt, tarring driveways! I wrote her folks and detailed out her behavior and she won't find her name in the last will. They are on MY side! Plus! She is NOT in my house, and the damage she did is not all that bad.

This bell is a thing a beauty, it was new and was not cheap or easy to find and if the lady is going to be like this? Well, I took it back.
I took back the "ringy, dingy, bell" and...
She went mad, screamed, and I stood there wishing I had done it sooner and wanting holy water to throw on her. Something broke. I snapped out of it and came to my senses. The bell was a love gift I did at the beginning. Now I have it back.
I looked up and gasped at this screaming, mental case from hell. Then I fled.
A lucas bell is a magical thing. More precious than a late grandmother's diamond/ white gold ring or $400.00 strands of Miki Moto pearls.

The pearls she smashed, the ring she threw out. The bell is again in sensable hands.

She entered my life thru my love of the old bikes and I really got hurt. The loss of 90% of my clothing was shocking. You haven't lived until a lady throws your clothes in the street! I missed work. Had no work clothes! I fled,more rattled and un-nerved than ever before.

But, Life is wildly unpredictable.The day after my confrontation with the demon filled woman, I had a Michigan State Fair date and an awesome dinner with a lovely brown haired beauty I'd met while loading our bikes onto the bus. She is so pleasent, calm and normal and I am in love....
Again.
She likes to hold hands. Something I've missed.

I feel like the old bike frame. Rebuilt, put back into use and appreciated.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ringey, dingy, bell.... repossesion! posted by Matthew on 9/5/2007 at 11:04:15 AM
Wow, Chris! Who needs Peyton Place? (or any soap opera)

I am sorry you have been through such a bad time and I feel so blessed by 24 years with my nearest and dearest. There are times when I walk or ride near my house and say out loud to myself 'You lucky bloke! Wife, children(3), house, job, bicycles and car. What more could I want?' 17 years living here, settled and content.

The little things like bells are important too.

Matthew - grateful.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ringey, dingy, bell.... repossesion! posted by Chris on 9/5/2007 at 4:12:04 PM
She kept or threw out 4 snap on British standard wrenches and a V.A.R. cable cutter. Gifts from a late friend I have had for 25 years. That hurt deep. These were my number one set of repair wrenches.
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ringey, dingy, bell.... repossesion! posted by Chris on 9/5/2007 at 4:23:10 PM
As for the red $55,000.00 porche or the black $80,000.00 Porche. I don't ever regret not owning one. It's a stupid little two seater car. $40,000.00 for a G.T.O.Judge? No.

Total waste of money. I'm excited about the $100,000.00 Tesla car I saw on you tube. That runs on electricity and has no exhaust system.

Also exciting is the Michelin Tweel. On You Tube also.
The dream car is still a Honda Civic ok, I'll go to 25,000.00 and get the hybrid this time.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ringey, dingy, bell.... repossesion! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/6/2007 at 2:35:56 AM
"You never really know a woman... until you meet her in court." - Norman Lear

(no offence to the ladies of course).

Sorry to hear of such events.... brings me back to a dark place as well... Just imagine yourself on a large motorcycle.... riding in the rain and not really having a destination. Only possesseions you have to your name are what the State Police would allow you to jam into the saddlebags as the "evict" you from the house you pay... and will CONTINUE to pay the mortgage on...

OK... enough... don't get me started... ;-)

Hang in there man....

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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AGE / VALUE:   You have to know where to buy a new seat posted by: Chris on 9/5/2007 at 7:01:35 AM
If you want a new bike seat for your Raleigh Sports or Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. you have to find a shop that caters to this class of bike. A shop I visited had no seats or seat posts that fit this type of bike. Everything was two rail and nothing would fit the bike.

The shop was stocked with know nothing, young, kids that can sell you a mountain bike or a hybrid for hundreds of dollars .

I know where to look for seats and parts. I just stoped in to see if there was anything in their stock that I could use or want to use.

No seats, no posts, no tires, no racks.
Don't be fooled, the interest in these bikes is growing and you just have to know where to look for parts.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   You have to know where to buy a new seat posted by Matthew on 9/5/2007 at 11:11:25 AM
Were we ever the know nothing spotty youths?

I think we were.

We were fortunate and grew out of it. We saught teaching, had experience and learnt. If we hadn't we'd probably only know about choppers, twentys and modern lightweights and ATBs. We'd drive day vans, minivans or compacts (hey my American is improving) with no regard for muscle cars, woodies, elderly stepsides and prewar preloved sedans.

Chris, I can see you as a bicycle evangelist, converting the BMX sinners into the ways of 3 speed righteousness.

Matthew - ye verrily even unto the third generation
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AGE / VALUE:   touring on SA hub posted by: jason on 9/4/2007 at 8:33:53 PM
I am wondering what the maximum weight a SA three speed can handle. I have a forty spoke aw, can't remember the year right now, was thinking about lacing it into nice rim for a simple touring rig.
I weight in at 220, plus thirty or so for a bike, and thirty to forty pounds on the panniers.
I don't believe it would be a problem, but thought I would get some thoughts on the thing before I buy a rim and all.jason

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   RE:AGE / VALUE: touring on SA hub posted by Warren on 9/5/2007 at 5:31:44 AM
If you're talking about serious heavy distance touring, I think you're choosing the wrong drivetrain and not because of the strength of the hub internals. Loaded touring often demands out-of-the-saddle pedalling with varying degrees of difficulty. A simple AW hub doesn't give you enough gear choices to make this a pleasureable trip unless you are really not in a hurry. And I really do not like standing on the pedals with a Sturmey hub. If it pops out of gear on you, it's going to hurt.

If it's just day trips and outings, I'd still try to to find an FW. More choices.

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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: touring on SA hub posted by Chruis on 9/5/2007 at 7:00:47 AM
Derailer gears.
The only Sturmey Archer hubs I trust are the old Hercules or Brampton versions with the threaded drivers. The gears in these were machined from solid steel not the pressed powder steel of the the later stuff.
I have broken axles and the possibility of it coming out of gear because it is out of adjustment is unacceptable.

With a smaller and more sensable front chainring the sturmey hub is fine but all the older Raleigh's had 42 and 48 tooth chainrings. Too large.

I am doing loaded touring on my d.l.1. Raleigh rod brake and am using an a.w. with a 24 tooth rear cog and a 42 tooth front and it's barely usable and I am going to change it to derailer gears.



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   RE:AGE / VALUE: touring on SA hub posted by sam on 9/5/2007 at 8:13:03 AM
The question of touring on a Sturmey/archer 3 speed is interesting.
Would you tour on a single speed or maybe a fixed gear?Because that's kinda what your asking yourself to do.With a fixey you would need to "learn" the right way to pedal.Keeping the pedals rotating in a circle in place of stomping up and down on them to get power.When done correctly(I'm still trying to learn) it feels as though your legs are not moving(or moving very little) only your ankles/feet feel to be moving.
Your gear inch should be no greater than 63 ,expecially for loaded touring---maybe even a bit less.Then think of your bike as 3 seperate single speeds and only shift when really needed to adjust to a different road condition---and adjust your gear well in advance "to be ridding" the correct single.
If keeping up with the 18mph club is your goal---buy a new bike.If learning to ride is your goal---the S/A hub is strong enough.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: touring on SA hub posted by Edgar X on 9/5/2007 at 10:15:12 AM
Good advice on a "round pedal stroke". Toe clips help, cleats are even better. After using cleats for several years, I can get a nice round motion even on bare pedals. I do lots of 30+ mile day trips on my Schwinn cruiser with a S/A 5 speed. It's geared pretty low.


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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   touring on SA hub posted by Matthew on 9/5/2007 at 1:15:12 PM
Hmmm?

Not sure what to think on this one entirely. Plenty of English tandems were built with three speed hubs (some wore sidecars too), even prr-war K-series hubs, and they certainly aren't robust enough. The FW gives a better choice but under extreme load? I'm not convinced that it wouldn't result in testicular surgery at some point, OW!

I'm happy doing 50+ a day on a single speed, with freewheel and relatively low geared. I can spin the pedals up to about 22mph on the flat any faster and I'm bouncing in my seat. 32mph downhill, tucked down behind the 'bars is scary with only rod brakes to arrest your forward motion. That's the joy of touring on a trade bike (cycle truck). Its a bit like driving to Wallamrt in a 16 wheeler just to get bread and milk. Not sensible but it has its merits.

Matthew - cycle truculant
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   touring on SA hub posted by Chris on 9/5/2007 at 3:47:44 PM
Derailer chains wear out, the front chainrings and rear clusters also wear out very rapidly. The other day in a shop I witnessed a customer with a wobbly rear cog on his 8 speed cluster. Plus the whole shebang is open to collect grit and dirt and it's is not enclosed and running in oil.

Still, you won't come crashing down onto the top bar.
My experience with the Miyata's derailer gears that were perfect and just a click, click and never a problem converted me to derailer gears. However there is a high price to pay. Namely, the amount of rapidly wearing parts, the grit and so on.

The basic English 3 speed is a city bike and so, it's great for around town. You start traveling up hills and start to want to get up out of the saddle and sprint and ride it like a touring bike and you can get into trouble especially when the little indicator chain gets out of adjustment.
Derailer gears get messed up when the bike falls over unless there is a guard.

One fellow went around the world on a 24 inch frame rod brake bike with a New Departure two speed and a back pedal brake and then when that broke he had a machinist make up a new axle and then he went to a Sturmey 3 speed a.w. with a drum brake.
The thing with the old 3 sppeds is to keep costs down. A new bike runs hundreds and then the maintence is high.
The modern bike shop is a racket. People come in and spend a fortune to have things repaired and the inital costs is high. I don't like what I see as I hang out and observe.

The riding style is different with today's stuff. Differet with derailer bikes in general. You can hop over logs and ride it hard and abuse it. Go off road with it. Hit the trails and so on. The Sturmey Archer hub is intended for more sedate, upright style of "sit up and beg" commuting and riding.
My Raleigh Tourist is a 1970's model with crappy 1970's rod brakes and flying down these hills with these is suicidal.

I want disc brakes on my D.L.1.!
This has not been done not yet. Sam Lingo did modern cantileaver brakes on his Bently Ghost project but to my knowledge, nobody has done disc brakes on their rod brake Raleigh. Now, the older rod brake bikes had decent rod brakes.
Stilll, not as good as todays brakes.
Brakes have improved a thousand times.
I am going to go with a gas powered motor for the Raleigh Tourist D.L.1.
So much of my commuting has been done with the Sturmey- Archer f.m. 4 speed hubs but they are expensive, parts are expensive, the tool to remove the ball cups and new ball cups are to difficult to find and expensive to use it practically in a daily commute but I still run a lot of rare parts on my daily drivers.

I keep wishing that some new bike will appear on the market that uses a 28 inch tire that just so happens by chance and the grace of God to use a tire that just so happens to fit my old Raleigh rod brake 28 inch D.L.1. Tourist.

Notice how the rear end part of the tourist will not accomadate any other wheel other than the original 28 x 1 1/2 inch wheels, or a 26 x 1 3/8. Front forks are custom built possibility but what do you do about that rear end in the d.l.1.?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   touring on SA hub posted by jason on 9/5/2007 at 4:03:36 PM
wow thats a lot of responses
I guess that the larger spoke # made me think of doing it, I would only use this wheel on flatter rail trail type rides
rail trails tend to be very dusty and load up the drivetrain, not a bad thing, it makes you pay attention to things and clean it more often, but derailers are a pain.
fixed gear is great Sam, one thing I have done is to tilt the nose of my saddle up just enough so i don't slide of it going down one of the hills around here when the rpms get into the 120 range.(its so hilly here that I go through about one set of brake pads every two weeks on my daily beater)
as to popping out of gear, that is a pain. I have a aw in an old schwinn world and ride it with a 52 tooth front ring, stand on it a lot and there are some crazy climbs.
I enjoy my Sports with the 700c wheels more than my twitchy racing bikes. they should be dusted off and sold to get me a nice old raliegh, would like a tourist or something with that wheatabix and kipper's kind of feel. they taste pretty good together.
jason


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   RE:AGE / VALUE: touring on SA hub posted by mark stonich on 9/6/2007 at 10:46:24 AM
Bent or broken AW axles are so rare I've never seen one. Go for it.

My touring bike is a 1973 Raleigh Sports with alloy rims, cranks, bars, brakes, front hub etc. It has an S5 5 speed Sturmey with a 22t cog and a 42t chainring.

BTW I have a stunning Jack Taylor Super Tourist. But the updated Sport is the bike I actually tour on.
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   Caution with that Saddle posted by Matthew on 9/7/2007 at 7:41:36 AM
Jason,

be careful raising the front of your saddle. We gents have a nerve in the saddle department which doesn't enjoy upturned saddles. (You say you have only made a minor adjustment so should be okay)If you ride long distance / time on a saddle with the peak high, this little nerve will be unhappy, so unhappy that it won't let you pass urine, at all. A saddle is designed to sit level and the contours of the saddle should do their job of keeping your undercarriage where it belongs. If you current saddle doesn't do that then to blazes with originality, get a saddle that suits you sir. I ride on a modern saddle with a gel cover and keep the uncomfortable Brooks for showdays. You can't ride long distances with your privates in agony.

Matthew - caution, better than surgeon.
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   RE:Caution with that Saddle posted by Chris on 9/7/2007 at 10:47:22 AM
No agony for me, I can't feel a thing. I went so numb, I forget all about what's there!

I just reacquired a favorite Brooks B- 90/3 of mine and everything is wonderful again. I never had a problem with my leather Brooks B 90/3 and I can run a lock thru the nose loop pin of the front of the leather Brooks saddle to keep the $135.00 seat from being stolen.

Finding a proper saddle is important and the lesson here is not to just ride on and ignore a seat that does not fit right. Turning up at the hospital unable to pee is a thought I won't venture into.

I'd rather hit the bridge in Farmington.
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