AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Spuer record Mixte Japanese bike posted by: Christopher on 10/9/2008 at 7:19:51 PM
I ran into the thrift store that I am stalking. When I bought it the manager said "We just put that bike on the floor what? 5 minutes ago??? NO, I CAN'T KNOCK A FEW DOLLARS OFF!" He scowled at me.
I hung my head and gave him the $30.00 plus tax.

I saw it and got closer and my eyes focused on the name on the down tube: RALEIGH Super Record. this is candy apple red, japanese made frame but the kick in the head is that it is a Mixte frame, 27 x 1 1/4 steel rims, new replacement tires and tubes all there, with a front basket that has been modified to be on the rear of the bike and it works! that rack alone is worth 15.00.
Whoever owned it was creative and the bike is well cared for. Recently worked on so how did it wind up in the thrift store?
I sat down completely and got comfortable on the floor and I sat with it for 15 minutes and stared at it, all over looking it all over. My mind whirring away. I always do this with the bikes. I held onto it because it was not getting away.

Before I go into what it is, I just want to say that I would have given anything to have in hand these parts so they could have been incorporated into my B.S.A paratrooper bicycle. Oh, this rear sprocket and the bolt on derailer, A SHIMANO derailer! I was looking for exactly this rear derailer cluster. it's thin!! Thin! it would fit the crazy bike. six speed and the last two of the derailer sprockets suddenly go up to very, very large sprockets. Perfect! The alloy Raleigh branded double front chainwheel is cotterless. the spindle and crankset parts, DESPITE THEIR ALL JAPANEESE ORIGIN, WILL FIT THE OLDER GENUINE NOTTINGHAM, ENGLAND BIKES LIKE THE RALEIGH REG HARRIS LENTON SPORTS. Raleigh record ace bikes from back in the glory years. I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE!

It's an interesting bike! Especially the headset! This was made in Osaka, Japan for Raleigh and the next year they were made in Taiwan for Raleigh. The headset totally looks like it is made in Raleigh's Nottingham, England factory! Except for the top nut and a spacer washer that has a notch in it. Possibly a mix of English and Japanese made parts. Japanese made copies parts of the famous Raleigh headset taht we see on all the Raleigh Sports , Superbes , D.L.1. Tourists and Choppers. Yes, that top tall nut is a copy from the Chopper bikes. The Raleigh Record's from England used the same tall, top nut as did the Chopper's this is Japanese copy of that part. The upper and botom cups, headset cups are Totally English Raleigh but something is not right yet. So, the headset is interesting. All the other Japanese Raleigh Super records I see on the net are mens frames but mine is a mixte. So hey, I'm feeling special!

I don't believe that the fork is threaded the same as the Sports, Choppers, and well, the same headset threading as an English made Raleigh?

No. I don't think so. I don't know what the headset is threaded but I believe that the threads will be Japanese as the rest of the bike is.

Sun Tour shifter, but with Shimano rear derailer. It barely takes the largest sprocket and I shifter in onto the smaller front chainring. My walking is over! No more missing the silly bus! and it was a total delight riding it from the bus stop and with a blue ribbon winning Texas sunset to boot!

The frame is heavy. High tensile steel tubing. still heavy. Oh, it's very well built because it's Japanese but it's the gearing that makes it so special. I will put these parts onto a really special frame.... oh, the possibilities! Where's my crank puller tool? The gearing makes this frame usable and actually enjoyable, It's good as is. I inflated the tires and rode it home. it does not fold and this will cause me grief on the bus when the rack is already full.

I want to replace the handlebars with a longer quill. I don't want to take the bike out in public for fear if it being stolen like the paratrooper bike was.

Anyway's I'll have another B.S.A paratrooper bike and these parts will wind up on it.
I'll have the roman numeral 3 on the frame.

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/9/2008 at 8:14:23 PM
The mixte frames to want are the Reynolds 531 frame tubing models that were turned out by the true masters such as David Rattray's of Flying Scot fame.
I was disapointed to not see any Capmagnolo skewers or any other Campy parts.

The seat bolt is unique on this bike. No R nuts on this one as it is not a Nottingham, England bike.

I love the heron decal but dislike the wreath underneath the Heron and as for the Headbadge and decal with the lines across the part where it would say Nottingham, England or Africa there are just lines as if Raleigh was embarrised to state where it was made. It say's The Raleigh but there are lines underneath it on the badge and the badge is thicker and looks cheap. I hate the lines always did, always will.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/9/2008 at 8:21:23 PM
Why am I so geeked up about this rear 6 speed derailer cluster? It is thin and the B.S.A rear frame end was so strong and rigid that it could not be spread with a frame spreader and nobody should try to. This cluster was exactly what I was yearning for this time last year. Larger, low gear sprockets!

As for the English made Raleigh Super records, gran Sports etc, some of these had long, large and serrated chrome nuts with the famous red R cap. These parts go for a lot on the bay!

I love the red Raleigh cap nuts.
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/10/2008 at 2:37:07 AM
Sounds like you've found yourself a fun project. There's been a Capri parked in the stand at work off and on for a couple of weeks now. "Raleigh Bicycly Co., USA" on a very cheesy headbadge. I'm sure 'twasn't made here...

What I don't like is I guess it was retrieved from the kerb or trash or some such place.... and is in need of attention maintenance wise.

It's not getting it.... and pretty much is in the bike rack, rain or shine....

While it's not Nottingham.... it deserves better than that methinks. Oh... all suntour components. Mostly alloy stuff.... with steel rims.

And BTW sir.... whatever became of that 3 wheeled machine we're all anticipating pictures of?

;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I have C.D.O. It's similar to O.C.D. but the letters are in alphabetical order the way they SHOULD be.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/10/2008 at 6:34:25 PM
It's still sitting in the peoples yard while I try to get my camera to hold a charge long enough to take some pictures. I will post the pictures here.

The local Wal mart did not have any 27 inch tires or tubes in stock and that causes me concern, but they do have a good selection of the products made by the Bell company.
This latest bike simply needed springing from the thrift store and I inflated the tires and this morning, the tubes still had pleanty of air.

As far as the red 3 wheel magical motorized contraption in the peoples yard. The fact that it is still there tells me it will likely be difficult to get them to part with it. After all, there are others about that love this stuff and collect goodies such as this. Overall I have had remarkable luck getting over the hurdles that have stopped other collectors. I manage to find a angle and I get in and my pals have asked in years past "How did you get in there?" and buy that stuff? But, you now what my experience has taught me? If you just be consistent and just show up and stay at it, regularly. Things open up, other people don't show up, things happen, One arch rival collector confessed to having no money available and that is why he was not there. I had called to ask, "Ok, Where are you? I'm at the Omellenchuck auction, thought for sure you'd be here in my way and where are you?" Timing and the remarkable luck of the crazy, blind squirrel" I'll do my best and I am persistent and you need to be also to succeed at this. If I get a "no" answer I'll stay on this one. People die and the wife or daughter will call and say: "Come get this thing outta my yard! Ya still want it?" I will get pictures and find out what it is, by name and manufactuer.
As for the Japanese Raleigh,
The miles fell away going to work and on my return and on the return it was all downhill, in the sunset.
beats walking!
I have to get pictures of this front rack that is mounted on the back. On weekends I have a 6 mile commute to meet the bus because the bus only goes so far on weekends.

10 pounds of potatoes, onions, big bag of cat food, butter, a big bottle of laundry soap, sos pads, pork chops and dish soap. All that in the Wald basket!
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:19:11 AM
Ah... you know what, I've noticed that as well. Wal*Mart no longer sells tyres... or at least "real" tyres. They have some odd "Kevlar" thing all folded up in a carton...

They USED to carry all sorts of tires... hmmm... stand by... lemme check something.... Drat... I thought perhaps you could still acquire tires via "Site-To-Store"... but they only list the stupid folded up things.

Dammit all. I work for a Co. that supplies Wal*Mart and truely it's a whore's game when it comes to getting the ever-so-precious "Shelf Space" there...

So typical... run everyone else out of business... then... the bean-counters (no offence) descend and if something's not selling like lukewarm cakes... OFF WITH IT's HEAD.

Sorry to run a little off-topic here but this is a concern. At least if you needed to you could get block tread blackwall chen-shens at Walmart on the cheap...

I'll have to check K-mart.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - tired of all that rot....


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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/12/2008 at 7:59:54 PM
don't apologize, you are right on the money.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Spuer record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Kevin on 10/13/2008 at 4:16:32 AM
I always go to my Local Bike Shop first. It's owned by nice, local people who know and love bicycles. They stock many things that no Walmart has. If they don't have something I want, they order it and I have it within a few days.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Spuer record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/13/2008 at 5:38:45 AM
I'll have to check there. The LBS has relocated to 3 different places in the past year.... it's a shame actually... they had a very nice home for many years... and it burned down.

They do seem to have a nice spot in a newer "strip mall" in Westfall, PA. Alas they do deal mostly in rolling clouds, MTB's and a few "comfort" machines.

A "younger" staff in the place... I've only been in there a few times to look around.

Perhaps I'll have to roll in on one of my machines just to see if I get any sort of reaction.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by: John on 10/9/2008 at 1:06:06 PM
I'm trying to source parts for my daily ride, a '55 Phillips 3 speed. The bike is in great shape, but the rims aren't quite round. Braking suffers and the front even bounces as I ride. I'm wondering if you can help. I'd be looking for:

a) a 32/40 hole set of EA3 steel rims - round. The stock ones are Dunlops. Keeping it original would be nice, but not necessary.
b) a set of round wheels. Sturmey AW rear.

Sun makes a replacement EA3 rim, but alloy hoops just wouldn't be right on this bike.

Thanks, I really love this bike. I probably put 40 miles a week on it, and even tow a BOB trailer when I go to the store.


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by Kevin on 10/10/2008 at 4:20:30 AM
A bike shop should be able to true your wheels. It's a routine shop procedure.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by John on 10/10/2008 at 6:06:17 AM
Thanks,

I am a shop rat. I've generally build a dozen wheels a month. I'm familiar with truing. The rims are bent along the radius, so there's only so much that can be done. That's why I'm looking for new rims or wheels to replace these.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by Kevin on 10/10/2008 at 10:34:35 AM
Might be cheaper to buy a girl's three-speed and part it out.
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 6:03:21 AM
Here's a set.... no bids yet.

Ebay item: 270283826675

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - NOT a wheeler-dealer...
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by: John on 10/9/2008 at 1:06:06 PM
I'm trying to source parts for my daily ride, a '55 Phillips 3 speed. The bike is in great shape, but the rims aren't quite round. Braking suffers and the front even bounces as I ride. I'm wondering if you can help. I'd be looking for:

a) a 32/40 hole set of EA3 steel rims - round. The stock ones are Dunlops. Keeping it original would be nice, but not necessary.
b) a set of round wheels. Sturmey AW rear.

Sun makes a replacement EA3 rim, but alloy hoops just wouldn't be right on this bike.

Thanks, I really love this bike. I probably put 40 miles a week on it, and even tow a BOB trailer when I go to the store.


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AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by: David on 10/9/2008 at 7:54:02 AM
So the Sturmey Archer manuals tell you to check the indicator chain adjustment by examining the amount which protrudes from the axle. Problem is, the axle nut obscures the end of the axle so it's not visible. Anyone else have this problem? I've been adjusting it by feel, ensuring that the indicator chain is "pretty tight"
when in 1st gear, however I'd like a more scientific approach to this whole thing. The thing I hate most about the SA hub is when it slips gears b/c the indicator adjustment is too loose, but I'm afraid to make it too tight.

David
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by another David on 10/9/2008 at 9:24:23 AM
That's what the windows in the nut are for. If you can't see the end of the axle thru the opening, I'd say your axle is the wrong length for your frame. (And you need to have the right length indicator for your axle.)
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by David on 10/9/2008 at 9:45:34 AM
Hmm...As far as I know the hub and axle are original to the machine. You said, "right length indicator," aren't they all the same size? I installed a new one from Harris.

What do you think about adding a LH axle nut so the window is readable. Will it stick out too far?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by Matthew on 10/9/2008 at 11:26:23 AM
This may sound very obvious folks and I have no wish to insult anybody's intelligence but.... You are adjusting the cable end of the indicator aren't you? I only ask that because one could read your description as adjusting the indicator in and out. Of course we all know that isn't the way to do it, don't we?

Matthew - probably being too obvious.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by David Poston on 10/9/2008 at 4:07:22 PM
That's right, Matthew, but the manual describes how much chain should be sticking out of the axle when you adjust the cable end. Do this is a reliable way to test the adjustment?

Is it normal for the end of the axle to be obscured by the RH axle nut? Perhaps I am missing a washer? I'll post a pic when I get a chance.
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: SA indicator chain adjustment posted by Warren on 10/9/2008 at 7:04:31 PM
I know the indicator/axle nut window method is recommended but an AW is easy to walk by the following steps.

a) Screw the indicator chain in all the way and then back it off by 1/2 a turn. Attach the shifter cable and slacken the adjuster somewhat.

b) Put the shifter in third gear and adjust the top tube fulcrum stop or the chain stay cable stop to just take up the required slack.

c) Test the gears and adjust tension with cable adjuster accordingly.

This will work.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: SA indicator chain adjustment posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:25:56 AM
Many methodologies here for certain. Using the S/A method, I've always found would get you in the ball park. After that, always needed to do a little fine tuning.

Not to worry. Eventually if you work with these machines long enough, you develop an eye for the appropriate cable slackness and a "feel" for when all is correct.

On thing... NEVER tighten the cable adjusting "barrel" with anything other than your fingers. Otherwise, should you find yourself down the roan and in need of a wee tweek... you'll rue the day you did it.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - a slacker... of sorts.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: SA indicator chain adjustment posted by David on 10/11/2008 at 5:42:48 PM
Warren,

I've been doing it like this--by feel--for years, but I just thought I'd try to do it "right" now.

One thing--when you say unscrew the indicator chain halfway, do you mean just unscrew it enough so it lines up with the shifter cable, or unscrew it a full 180 degrees regardless?

thanks
David
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