AGE / VALUE:   philips bike posted by: steven hogben on 2/27/2008 at 11:36:44 AM
i pickede up an old philips bike it has a john bull red spot tyre on the back 26x1 1/2 and it had a war grade rubber on the front.3 speed internal gears operated from cross bar. rod brakes and the back part of frame is bolted together behind saddle.big brass bell! thanks.
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AGE / VALUE:   FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by: JOHNNY on 2/26/2008 at 5:04:24 AM
I NEVER LEAVE AN OLD BIKE WHEN I FIND ONE. JUST AINT IN ME.IVE ONLY RAN ACROSS 2-3 HERCULES IN MY LIFE BUT SAVED ANOTHER YESTERDAY, SEEMS REALD ,NOT SURE,LOT OLDER THAN THE LAST ONE I FOUND, MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO I READ THE SERIAL # 9952AX IM GUESSING 60S ?? ANY HELP FROM YOU RODSTERS? ITS PRETTY ROUIGH
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by David on 2/26/2008 at 4:40:15 PM
Surf over to Sheldon's (RIP) website and look at the old bikes/english 3-speeds pages. Hercules got absorbed by Raleigh at some point and became just another of its brands. You can probably tell if yours is before or after the takeover. Serial # is probably incomprehensible today.

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by johnny on 2/26/2008 at 9:39:14 PM
thanks david, heading that way
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by Chris on 2/27/2008 at 11:29:26 AM
I love the hercules tourists, always a special treat to find one!
The serial numbers do you no good in 99% of the times. The original company was sold off in 1946. Raleigh took over and production was moved to Nottingham.

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by johnny on 2/28/2008 at 5:16:49 AM
looked again,headbadge says i belive birmingham england, the hercules motor cycle co ?SHES ROUGH CONDITION, STILL HAVNT DECIDED WHAT TO DO, STILL WORKING ON 52 COLUMBIA FOR NOW
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by sam on 2/28/2008 at 8:28:50 AM
The Hercules Cycle & Motor company LTD.was a bicycle company owned by the British Cycle Corporation which bought out Raleigh around 1960 and placed all their bicycle manufacturing under Raleighs management.After WW1 Ed. Crane with help from his brother Harry and friend Reic Brotherton built Hercules into the worlds largest bicycle company.After WW2, In the USA ,Wards dept. store was the exclusive dealer for Hercules.Later under raleigh they were sold by AMF and assimbled in Little Rock Ar.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by jerry on 8/18/2008 at 10:03:50 PM
I HAVE A BLACK 3 SPEED HERCULLES -FENDERS ARE BLACK AND WHITE ALL ORIGINAL,NEEDS TIRES.( CHROME CLEANED UP NICE .)I AM INTERESTED IN SELLING IT BEAVERTON,OREGON
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by jerry on 8/18/2008 at 10:03:56 PM
I HAVE A BLACK 3 SPEED HERCULLES -FENDERS ARE BLACK AND WHITE ALL ORIGINAL,NEEDS TIRES.( CHROME CLEANED UP NICE .)I AM INTERESTED IN SELLING IT BEAVERTON,OREGON
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: FOUND OLD HERCULES TOURIST posted by Gayle Edmondson on 8/20/2008 at 10:20:31 AM
Interested in your herc tourist. send me pics
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadster value posted by: Warren on 2/25/2008 at 8:34:09 PM
This well-equipped, pristine 70's Raleigh Sports got a good price. 7 bidders drove the final bid up to $415. Without a proper dynohub too.

http://tinyurl.com/2kfw8q
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadster value posted by Chris on 2/27/2008 at 11:40:12 AM
The huge bag with the chromed leather straps is the only thing that I would want. I'll stop drooling over the bag and comment on the bike. It's just a Raleigh Sports! It has the wrong kickstand. wrong axle nut on the rear hub. It has the Schwinn type.
This is what you pay for a good 28 inch wheel, rod brake, Raleigh with the enclosed chainguard- bike not one of these.

This was foolish. You give this much for a 531 club bike not a common sports. These sports were offered in Blue-ish green two tone paint. and in all blue. The yellow version of these is special too. This is just a common green one.

No locking key, either. It's not even a Superbe
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AGE / VALUE:   German Roadster in Dallas posted by: sam on 2/22/2008 at 8:52:59 PM
and at a great price too
http://dallas.craigslist.org/bik/581248886.html
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   German Roadster in Dallas posted by Chris on 2/24/2008 at 2:19:22 PM
There is a private collector in Dallas by the name of J. Kenneth Lee. Look him up when ever you are in Dallas.
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MISC:   "Black-out" Raleigh posted by: Mark on 2/22/2008 at 7:15:22 AM
Good Morning, Men:

A few weeks ago I got a 1940 Raleigh Sports (recently discussed in this forum). I want to build it up as a "blacked-out" wartime model, as Raleigh did back when chrome was rationed. My question is, how much was blacked out? Handlebars, rims, brake handles?

Also, I'd like to get the bike repainted - frame, fenders, chaincase. It just needs to be black - no fades, no metalflake - but I want it to be a decent job, maybe with a bit of gold pinstriping. (Can't do it myself because of space/time/know-how issues, but I'm willing to spend a few bucks to get it done.)

Thanks for your knowledge -

Mark
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   RE:MISC: posted by Na on 2/22/2008 at 4:20:05 PM
Blacked out means just that. There was no chrome at all and the SA hubs were finished in a dull metal too. pedals were black rubber, no reflectors and black painted steel. Painted rims and plain steel spokes. The finish overall was poor, barely any undercoat and a top coat so thin you would have thought it was lacquer not enamel paint. This was more a supply issue than an attempt to stop Messerschmidt pilots from shooting cyclists.

Matthew - its amazing what you learn.
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   RE:MISC: posted by Na on 2/22/2008 at 4:20:07 PM
Blacked out means just that. There was no chrome at all and the SA hubs were finished in a dull metal too. pedals were black rubber, no reflectors and black painted steel. Painted rims and plain steel spokes. The finish overall was poor, barely any undercoat and a top coat so thin you would have thought it was lacquer not enamel paint. This was more a supply issue than an attempt to stop Messerschmidt pilots from shooting cyclists.

Matthew - its amazing what you learn.
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   RE:MISC: posted by sam on 2/22/2008 at 8:56:57 PM
The great thing about Black Out brit bikes is it was not limmited to the war years(like in the USA)Brit bikes could always be had done"all weather" or black out.Most catalogs show these models.
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   RE:MISC: posted by sciencemonster on 2/22/2008 at 9:59:56 PM
Here's what a 1945 bike looks like:

http://www.sciencemonster.net/machines/rudgesports/rudgesports.html

I don't think the whole bikes were black. Mine has an undated hub, typical of the war, and it's chrome. The stem is chrome too. The bike had war production tires on it when I got it - I doubt anyone changed out the stem.
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   RE:MISC: posted by Matthew on 2/23/2008 at 3:14:42 AM
Sorry to be a pedant but my war time Raleigh was all black as described.

By 1945 the squeeze on production was easing because the situation was improving, so it is apparent that chrome was becoming available for non-essential markets. Imagine the amount of chrome needed for searchlight reflectors, landing craft hydraulic rams etc.

Chrome went on export models before it was available at home. At least bicycle production didn't cease completely, it took another 60 years for that to happen!

Matthew - politically incorrect and happy with that.
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   RE:MISC:    posted by Steve on 2/23/2008 at 4:04:48 AM
Nice bike sciencemonster.

Steve

p.s. You've spilt a bit of oil !
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   RE:MISC:    posted by Steve on 2/23/2008 at 4:56:33 AM
Interesting topic.
I'm now going to inspect my so called "war time" Sunbeam as I suspect someone may have repainted it black with a yard brush at a later date hence it's difficult to find any markings on it in order to date it.

Steve - there's a bit more to this bike stuff than meets the eye !
I've redesigned my tool kit, been on a continuous history lesson, bought a magnifying glass, pulled a muscle in my back and gone back to my Imperialistic ways.


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   RE:MISC: posted by sciencemonster on 2/23/2008 at 9:57:13 AM
I don't know. I don't doubt that your bike is all black, but why would just the stem and seatpost be chrome on my bike? I figured that those parts were leftover from the parts bin from before the war - maybe production during the war was so limited that they never used up the prewar stock?

If they started using chrome after the war, why would they choose those two parts to chrome? Why not something flashy like the handlebars?

I would be interested to know the reasoning behind our bikes.
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   RE:RE:MISC: w.w.2. sturmey hub finishes posted by chris on 2/23/2008 at 3:05:07 PM
Sturmey hubs were "japanned" the steel was blackened. I had war time 3 speed hubs with the ribbon scroll pattern on them and these were used during the war era
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   RE:MISC:    posted by Geoff Rogers on 2/25/2008 at 9:59:43 AM
I have a couple of 1940 SA AW hubs (both dated "0"), and both chrome plated. The date stamp is not in the normal spot on these early AW hubs, by the way. I must look at one again to refresh my memory, but I think I remember it's inside a small block in the S-A logo. My 1940 Stoddard Gazelle has black enamel handlebars but the cranks, brakes and stem are all chrome plated. Admittedly, 1940 was still early in the war, but the bike is original and there is definitely chrome on it, so they weren't always completely black. The bike is for sale, by the way, in case anybody wants an affordable way to break into the club bike world.
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   RE:MISC: posted by Theo on 3/2/2008 at 10:01:20 AM
I have a 1948 Raleigh sports full chain cover partially blacked out with chrome handlebars, quill, brake levers, hubs and brakes (all say "patent"), blacked out dynohub, painted and chrome headlight and chrome tail-light. The pump is also black.

All the screws and pulleys are black. Bottom bracket, cranks and pedals chromed. Rims and spokes also shiny.

Combinations like these were not at all unusual nor regarded as anything more than a variation on the model at the time, to the best of my knowledge. From a collectors' perspective, the mounting of the pulleys and certain frame details in the pre-1952 era seems to have its passionate advocates.

If you do decide to blacken the chrome, take care with the preparation. Two considerations: first, paint of any type is notoriously difficult to adhere to chrome. You may need to experiment to see which primer works best (it's hopeless, longterm, without primer). Second, it may be necessary to roughen the chrome with coarse sandpaper or steel wool in order to adhere the primer, and that amount of damage to good chrome may not be worthwhile. If you do decide to use a primer, try a self-levelling or self-filling (different terms, same product) quick dry sandable primer for automobiles in order to get the best final surface.

Best of luck.

Theo
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