AGE / VALUE:†††Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by: Chris on 9/15/2008 at 6:53:12 PM
I am reading a book on Raleigh and it mentions that Sturmey- Archer and Raleigh were very deeply involved in war time contracts and that they used up a back stash supply of 3 speed hubs because at one point, the Sturmey Archer production as well as dynohub and lamp production was halted to free up personel and resources to make shells, bofors, cartridge cases and gun parts. As you know when you find a sturmey Archer 3 speed hub and it just say's "a.w. patent" on it, it is a war time hub.
I think this may be one reason why the war time 3 speed hubs do not have a date on them at all. the pre- war hubs had a date code and the post war hubs are clearly stamped (example) 7- 54 but the war time hubs just have the type ( a.w.) and the words "patent" so in there from 1939- 1946 there are no dates stamped on the hubs. I have been reading and comparing the book to other sources and it dawned on me that this may be why there are no dates on the hubs, related to the war effort somehow.
Perhaps I am off or wrong. I don't remember reading an answer on this before.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/16/2008 at 7:19:07 AM
Sounds quite plausible Chris. What's amazing is that any bicycles were produced during wartime at all. You simply cannot buy a wartime automobile mfg'd here in the states... quite simply because none were.

It was sheer industrial might, plentiful resources and indefatigable determination that won the war.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - wonders... could we do it again?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by Geoff Rogers on 9/16/2008 at 10:27:54 AM
Some wartime hubs did have dates, but only the second digit of the year, as in prewar practice. I have two AWs with a "0" stamp, although it's not under the logo as in later hubs with month and two-digit year stamp. It is inside the logo, faint and hard to find.
Geoff Rogers
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by sam on 9/18/2008 at 3:01:22 PM
I have an early "K" hub stamped "A"(not a date on it)
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WANTED:†††Enclosed chainguard hardware posted by: Brooks on 9/15/2008 at 5:26:15 PM
Hello - I am looking for three (3) screws and the outside, rear mounting clamp to purchase to complete a Humber project. Also, the front pie cover. Many thanks!

Brooks

(brooks saint ives (all one word) at AOL dot com
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AGE / VALUE:†††Nice... and expensive. posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/15/2008 at 2:49:21 AM
Ebay item: 310083756055

An exceptional example of a later model Sports... and I fully understand and appreciate "provenence"... what this has bid up to astounds me.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - photoshopping olde paperwork.....
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Nice... and expensive. posted by David on 9/15/2008 at 8:27:54 AM
It's certainly better than average, but on close inspection of the photos, it's not the extremely low mileage specimen its seller suggests that it is. There is plenty of evidence of use; even the usual accidents like the squashed tail of the rear fender. Prices of these seem to be increasing, however.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint matching posted by: Brian on 9/14/2008 at 5:32:01 PM
I'm trying to find paint that is readily available in the US to touch up the rear fender of my 59 Sports. The black fender stays and the white dart have chipped from stones, and I am trying to find a paint brand that is similar in color and gloss.
Has anyone had any luck with certain brands?
Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by: Andy Nowka on 9/13/2008 at 7:12:40 PM
I purchased an old Phillips girls bicycle today and would like to find out more about it. It has rod style brakes, single gear, nice chrome, original paint and original phillips seat and cool old bike lock on the rear wheel. It also came with a phillips lapel pin and wrench in the tool bag. Can anyone help identify the age and value of this old bike? Here are a couple of pics: http://picasaweb.google.com/andynowka/PhillipsBike#
Please let me know if you need pictures of anything else.


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   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/14/2008 at 4:47:32 AM
Very nice find, sir. I would look around on the frame for a serial number and possibly check the charts here for an idea of age. If it were a 3-speed it would be easier alas, being a single, I'm afraid that's all you can do.

Certainly an original phillips and the lapel pin is absolutely icing on the cake.

Presumably the word "PHILLIPS" is stamped in profile in the chainwheel and I'm going to venture a guess that the wheels / tyres are 28" x 1 1/2

Having the "Hockey Stick" chainguard pretty much identifies it as having been made specifically for import to the US after a certain year.... I forget exactly when but there were weight based tariffs put in place...

The colour is quite non-typical for a 28" wheel machine as well.

If I were to venture a guess... and not being able to see if the "tail" of the rear mudguard is overpainted white, I would say late 1960's, early 70's.

Based on what appears to be outstanding condition of the chrome... perhaps even early 1960's.... pre Raleigh? Maybe.

Either way... a VERY nice find, indeed!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone


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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/14/2008 at 6:54:44 PM
Oh, those wide handlebars! Nice find! Pre Phillips merger with Tube Investments/ Raleigh. Real Phillips!
lovely colour.


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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Andy Nowka on 9/14/2008 at 9:07:25 PM
Larry,
Thanks for the information and feedback about my bike. I've added 5-6 new pictures of the bike that confirm your assumptions of a 28 x 1 1/2 wheels, "Phillips" stamped in chainwheel, White paint on rear fender and found the serial number which is "8849 KR". I could not find anything on this site that will help me confirm the age of this bike. Can you take one more look and another age estimate?

Chris, Thanks for the compliments.

-Andy
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/15/2008 at 2:58:14 AM
Ah well, pursuant to Chris's observation as to being pre-merger... I'm sure that the year of the merger is listed here somewhere... but then ballpark changed to 1960 or earlier.

Older style handlebars could make it even earlier than that. What's remarkable is the colour and the condition. I see pretty clean box pinstripes, delighfully colourful transfers, period correct rack and bell.

What is a mystery... is the hole in the front mudguard... that would appear to be an affixing point for something. Perhaps an "hood ornament" of sorts... or mayhap for an english style front licence plate.

As to it's exact year of manufacture... hard to say. Check things like the hubs, etc. There MAY be date codes on them.

Either way, you have a wonderful machine there.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - powder blue.... wow....
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Matthew on 9/15/2008 at 8:58:47 AM
Hi Andy,

This looks very much like a pre-WW2 model and an extremely attractive, well kept and therefore valuable example. You are a very fortunate chap to have come across such a beauty. Well Done.

Matthew - pleasantly suprised
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/15/2008 at 2:13:01 PM
Yes, they had front fender ornaments- it would have been the Phillips lion in this case.
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Warren on 9/15/2008 at 3:02:17 PM
I don't know about it being too old. The wire mudguard stays, colour and hockey stick chainguard make it look 50's/60's to me. Sweet just the same.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Warren on 9/15/2008 at 3:03:52 PM
and that fork crown looks very much like the post 58 Dunelt version.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/15/2008 at 6:52:57 PM
James Boustridge was given a seat on the board of the Raleigh company at the time of the merger. Phillips was closed shortly after the merger.

I will study the pictures again, glad to hear he added more pix for us.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/15/2008 at 7:24:09 PM
Well, it's so lovely I would have it in the living room were it can be admired and kept out of the elements. Too good for the shed! Lovely well kept example. Does the badge say Birmingham or Nottingham on it? I still think this came off of the original Phillips factory line before they moved Phillips production to Nottingham. Did any rod brake Phillips bikes come out of Nottingham? All the Phillips bikes I have seen from Nottingham are cable brake bikes. Oh, by the way that downtube decal is a work of magic. Very nice find! I raise my glass to you!

It's a beautiful thing! Get it ridable and take a nice lady, somebody whom you love and take her out riding with her on this bike and you on one of your favorite bikes and go riding in the evening hours.

I don't remember seeing a ladies Phillips bikes this nice in a while. I do know from examination of Phillips catalogs that Phillips made beautiful bikes! This rod brake linkage piece on the front of this bike reminds my of the quality Raleigh rod brake linkage it looks exact to Raleigh as does the rear fender.
However, by the merger time, the colors were all the same the individuality was being phased out. This has that marvelous color not seen on the Raleigh's. Still think it is pre- merger. No matter, it's a fine bicycle.
28 inch wheel? yes it is. It's a rare treat. I have never ran across one of these personally.

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Andy Nowka on 9/15/2008 at 9:39:51 PM
Chris,
Yes the bike has BIRMINGHAM not Nottingham on the decals.
I've added a few additional photos again, one of the seat, one of the bell, one of the pedal and a few other decal shots as well.
Thanks again for all of your help with the bike.
-Andy
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/16/2008 at 6:31:08 PM
Phillips was Huge , they had 3 factories humming along until the Merger in 1960. beautiful bike, thanks for the additional pictures.
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 5:19:19 PM
I saw new, old stock, still in the original box, Phillips roller skates on e- bay a while back.
Roller skates in the red and white Phillips box.
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