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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Paramount frame posted by: Brian on 10/23/2001 at 2:23:37 AM
I've recently acquired a paramount frame serial#
610640D222E38 on bottom bracket. Any info on dating would be appreciated.


   waterfordbikes.com posted by John E on 10/23/2001 at 4:55:44 PM
It sounds like one of the later "descriptive" serial numbers. Is www.waterfordbikes.com any help?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Paramount frame posted by Brian on 10/23/2001 at 10:03:09 PM
The frame has an Arnold-Schwinn& Co. Label with the olympic rings on it. It also has chrome Campy dropouts.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Paramount frame posted by Mike Slater on 10/23/2001 at 10:19:01 PM
Sounds pretty long to be a Paramount s/n. Also the location on the bottom bracket doesn't sound right. Is there another # on the left rear drop out?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Paramount frame posted by Brian on 10/24/2001 at 10:56:54 AM
The only # on the left rear dropout is L65

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Paramount frame posted by Mike Slater on 10/24/2001 at 12:51:47 PM
I beleive this might a pre 1967 Paramount. The Arnold was dropped from the Schwinn name in 1967 according to the history timeline at the Schwinn.com site.

Does this look like it could be a older frame??? The left rear dropout is where the serial # are usually located on older Paramounts, not sure about the newer ones. So...I'll take a guess that maybe the L65 on the rear dropout "might" mean the frame was made in Dec. of 65. I know, its a stretch, but what the heck.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Paramount frame posted by Eric Amlie on 10/24/2001 at 2:58:36 PM
Looks like the frame is between 10/15/62 (L10) and 3/1/63 (M10).
Check this out for yourself at http://www.waterfordbikes.com/fframe.htm

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Paramount frame posted by Brian on 10/24/2001 at 10:43:06 PM
What would it be worth in good condition?






AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record and Bridgestone 450 posted by: Lyndon on 10/21/2001 at 11:14:30 PM
Thanks helping me date this Raleigh Record to 1970. It is silver with blue, ten speed Suntour, and steel wheels made by Kinlenz in Taiwan. I think the whole bike was made there as the paint quality is poor. The SunTour has no level on the derailleur. Main frame is 502 CroMo. I guess I just clean off what I can and ride it? I followed a older post and went to Retro Raleigh, but was totally turned off by the number of pop up screens. Will not use that site again.
Could not understand the Serial #4EJ1519...the E denotes the 1970, but it is supposed to be followed by four numbers, not another letter...Hmmmm Any ideas? Also bought a Bridgestone 450, and was wondering what tubing was used, Ishiwata? or Tange? Nothing on the frame...


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record and Bridgestone 450 posted by Jonathan on 10/22/2001 at 5:23:49 AM
I gave up on deciphering serials on my Record Ace and Gran Prix from the '70's. I never could figure why they couldn't use a system that is straightfwd; like having the first 2 numbers being the year. All the others can be as cryptic as they want for all I care.
The Bridgestone that I run is 4130 main, rear and forks.
I can't even find the model. It just has the word "Spica" or something like that
decaled on the top-tube. If anyone knows about that "model", that be cool. The Record and GP are both 2030 steel. The GP is more "roadish", while the RA is touring geometry. Pretty good
mounts for bike-boom products.






AGE / VALUE:   value? posted by: Ted Obolsky on 10/20/2001 at 10:28:16 PM
I have 1962 schwinn superior with brooks saddle,15 speed in good shape Does anyone know how much it might be worth?serial number d2.Thanks


   What do you think, Eric? A few hundred $? posted by John E on 10/20/2001 at 11:18:13 PM
Short of the Paramount, your Superior is definitely one of the most desirable Schwinn road bikes of the early 1960s. If a very clean 1960 Conti can fetch $832 on eBay, a very clean, all-original Superior should not be too far behind. The only problem is that the collectors are just starting to discover the fillet-brazed CrMo Schwinns, which look too much like Varsinentals for their own good.

   RE: Superior posted by Eric Amlie on 10/22/2001 at 5:56:58 PM
I have been looking for one of these and would very much like to buy this bike. I suppose after John's post I will have to cough up $800 though (NOT!).

Ted, if you are interested in selling the bike email me. Let's see if we can work out a deal that is satisfactory to both of us.






AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by: Warren on 10/19/2001 at 9:46:02 PM
Quite some time back I posted a message requesting info on Maserati bikes. I have a frame here that I would like to build up but need more details before painting etc. I am looking for photos, recollections, brochures, anything that will show what the decals looked like, and what components were used. Thanks all.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by Fred on 10/20/2001 at 2:29:46 AM
Warren: Are you sure your Maserati isn't a Bugatti. I could help you out if its a Bugatti. I bought one last year in FL just because of the name.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by Warren on 10/20/2001 at 2:40:36 AM
Here's a bit of trivia Fred...I picked up a late 60's Stucchi road bike a couple of weeks ago and couldn't find anything on it on the web, in English, except that the famed Mr Bugatti first appenticed in the Pinetti and Stucchi bike shop when he was 17 years old. This was at the turn of the century...1900 that is. Does your Bugatti have a Stucchi label on it? They still make mountain bikes...

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by Fred on 10/20/2001 at 4:53:29 AM
Warren: I can't say if my Bugatti refers to Mr. Stucchi or not since the Bug is in FL and I'm in NY. I think not though. It is a mixte framed bike with 27 inch wheels and is a 12 speed. It would more likely refer to Suzuki than Stucchi.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by The other Warren (Young) on 10/20/2001 at 2:18:15 PM
Sorry for the Warren confusion...I'll tag the last bame from now on

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by The other Warren (Young) on 10/20/2001 at 2:18:18 PM
Sorry for the Warren confusion...I'll tag the last bame from now on

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by The other Warren (Young) on 10/20/2001 at 2:18:31 PM
Sorry for the Warren confusion...I'll tag the last name from now on

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by Warren Young on 10/20/2001 at 9:08:25 PM
Crap..times 2

   Sheldonbrown.com posted by John E on 10/20/2001 at 11:14:44 PM
Sheldon has a very brief blurb on Maserati bicycles.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by Warren Meade on 10/21/2001 at 11:26:55 AM
As I sleep while most of you are viewing and submitting this stuff, I missed all the Warren confusion. But getting back to the Maserati, the only reason I think it is a Maserati is that it has the three pointed crown emblem in the top of the fork crown, Italian thread bottom bracket and unusual dropouts. The front ones at least are zeus, the rear unidentified, but not Campag. I bought it as a repainted bare frame in 1978, and raced on it for a few years. If it is a Maserati, surely not the only one around? Does anyone know of other frames using the 'Maserati' type emblem?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by Steve on 10/22/2001 at 5:11:05 PM
Warren;
About 30 years ago Road&Track magazine (yes, the car magazine) road tested a Maserati bike, the same Maserati that builds cars. Maserati built a full range of bikes at the time with "M" model names. The M1 was top line, M2 below it etc. I clipped the article and think I still have it. The bike tested was all Campy NR, Columbus tubes, very typical high end Italian bike of the time. The article did have a few b&w photos. I'll look for and copy the clipping. Email me in a day or two.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Maserati racing bicycle posted by MichaelW on 10/28/2001 at 3:27:21 PM
kind of off-topic, but when walking in the French Alpes, I came across an old Lambourghini tractor. Are these lightweight racing products just hobbies of agricultural engineers ?






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1980's Gitane Bicycle posted by: Stephan Andranian on 10/18/2001 at 11:59:50 PM
I have learned more in the past five minutes on this site about my bike than over the past 10 years. It is hard to get information and stuff for my old (1987 or so) Gitane.

If you could confirm these things for me, I would appreciate it.

First: It is a Reynolds 531 bike, but the print on the sticker is horozontal. Does that mean that it is not butted or complete 531?

Second: The dropouts are Vitus -- there have been questions about the quality (i.e. I heard that there were problems with production in 1984, and they broke after a short amount of time). Any other problems out there?

Three: It has English thread, but says it was "Made in France". Did they make these in Japan or Taiwan, like the mountain bikes were?

Thanks for any input!


    1980's Gitane Bicycle posted by John E on 10/19/2001 at 4:46:38 PM
1) BB threading: English and Swiss are identical, except for thread pitch (24TPI vs. 25.4TPI= mm threads). English threading does hint at Asian origin, whereas most early 1980s French frames have Swiss BB threading. (Peugeot had converted by 1980; Motobecane, a few years earlier.)
2) Pedal and freewheel threading: English was common, but not universal, on French bikes designed for U.S. export.
3) What does your 531 sticker say? Horizontal printing can indicate butted main tubes with non-531 forks and stays ("3 tubes renforces"), non-butted 531 main tubes ("3 tubes" without "renforce"), or even full nonbutted 531 frame, stays, and forks ("tubes renforces, arriere, fourche").

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1980's Gitane Bicycle posted by Stephan Andranian on 10/19/2001 at 6:02:44 PM
The swiss thing makes sense: I bought the frame direct from Gitane of America when they were going broke...and it came with an Edco bottom bracket and headset. I am unable to date it exactly, because it was an NOS frameset that they had lying around.

The frame sticker is Red on black with gold outline (frame is metallic blue):
"Guaranteed Built with Reynolds 531 professional fork blades, stays & butted frame tubes - manufactured by Tireynolds 531 limited, England"

Fork sticker is green on black with gold (forks are chrome):
"Reynolds 531 Fourreaux"

   It's a thoroughbred posted by John E on 10/19/2001 at 8:31:13 PM
You definitely have a full-Reynolds 531 frame and fork, with butted tubes, i.e., the same composition as the Peugeot PX-10, Raleigh Professional and International, most Schwinn Paramounts, etc. I am surprised Gitane used an English-language 531 sticker on the frame (albeit with French stickers on the forks), since Peugeot was so adamant about French 531 stickers.






AGE / VALUE:   There are Two Bartalis! posted by: desmo on 10/18/2001 at 1:49:03 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1020023048

I thought I had the only Bartali in the world, but here's another. Mine is a '70 judging by the date on the original NR mech, this is a '50s vintage. Wow.


   Gino Bartali posted by John E on 10/18/2001 at 2:59:13 PM
Nice frame! By the way, on p. 154 of "The Dancing Chain," there is a great picture of "Gino Bartali shifting [the Campy Cambio Corsa]... in the 1948 Tour de France."

   eBay Bartali or its identical twin in ClassicRendezvous.com posted by John E on 10/18/2001 at 3:03:00 PM
The eBay Bartali looks identical to the one in classicrendezvous.com, and they both live in Germany.

   RE:eBay Bartali or its identical twin in ClassicRendezvous.com posted by Tom on 10/19/2001 at 5:22:25 AM
That is the same guy from Germany with the ebay item and the clasicrendezvous.com bike.
I have emailed him a few times about his bike stuff. He has a lot more very rare old bikes.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   rare 1963 Peugeot PX-10 on eBay posted by: John E on 10/16/2001 at 3:15:54 PM
Attention Francophiles -- check out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1019423303
Virtually original 1963 PX-10, with complete 531 decal. Probably one of the first with a plunger-type (instead of suicide) front derailleur, and probably one of the last with a clock spring type (instead of parallelogram) rear derailleur.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   rare 1963 Peugeot PX-10 on eBay posted by desmo on 10/18/2001 at 1:47:41 AM
C'est tres formidable! Merci.

   rare 1963 Peugeot PX-10 on eBay posted by John E on 10/18/2001 at 2:52:56 PM
Or, as Sheldon responded a year ago when I told him about the 1955 Peugeot touring bike (same paint and decal scheme, plus suicide shifter, lights, and mudguards) on eBay, "tres cool." So far, this PX-10 is drawing twice as high a bid ($1100, the last time I looked).

   the bid just went over $2K posted by John E on 10/22/2001 at 11:08:14 PM
How's that for collectibility, Francophiles -- the price is getting near $2100, with 3 hours to closing time.






AGE / VALUE:   Hetchins Magnum Opus Curly posted by: desmo on 10/16/2001 at 12:52:15 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1019148621

Another ebay bike, some of the readers here may never have seen a Magnum Opus with curly stays before. A bit over the top esp. with the panto'd C-Record kit on, but I cannot help but be charmed nevertheless.


   531 main triangle only? posted by John E on 10/16/2001 at 2:43:30 AM
It is purported to be top-of-the-line, but the "Reynolds 531" decal is printed horizontally, indicating either non-butted or partial-531 construction, rather than diagonally, denoting full d.b. 531. Perhaps the trademark curly stays aren't 531? It will be interesting to see how high the bidding goes on this one. This seller consistent comes up with some nice, rare components and bikes.






AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth bike posted by: Alex on 10/15/2001 at 9:15:32 PM
I have picked up a Holdsworth racing bicycle from the
late 60's/early 70's. it is blue and comes with an original
pump, spare tyre (still in its wrapper!) and the original
tyres/fittings still intact. The only problems are that
there is some rust around the rear axle and the rear
shifter is gome. I was wondering ifanyone could give me
an indication as to its value and/or how to fix it.

Thanks.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth bike posted by Rudgematch on 10/15/2001 at 11:11:49 PM
Try this newly constructed site:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nkilgariff

I suggest e-mailing the creator, Norman Kilgariff and swapping information. He's needs your details, and you need his details. Help each other out, and if you can get him some digital photos, even better!

As for value... who knows. Sheldon Brown's price guide and e-bay bids (although sometimes a bit high, in this case possibly low) might help.
Fixing it? Try Quick-Glo or that crumpled aluminum foil trick. It would be tough on small parts, I imagine.

Rudge






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bianchi Serial Number posted by: Warren on 10/15/2001 at 12:38:04 PM
I have just purchased a Bianchi road bike. Campagnolo dropouts, the earlier long type, no mudguard eyes. 'Celeste' colour, paint appears original. Has early super record seat pillar, fluted with two posts, early super record brakes, rest is mixture of 1980's parts. I believe the frame is 1970's. Numbers stamped on left of seat lug '456', on right of seat lug '4.8' The steering tube is stamped '575'
Anyone able to help with dating this frame from the serial number? Are you out there Chuck?


   Bianchi Serial Number posted by John E on 10/15/2001 at 2:25:03 PM
Yes, if anyone knows how to read Bianchi serial numbers, I am your eager student. My database:

1) Purchased Dec. 1962 -- Bianchi Corsa -- 2F51703 on bottom bracket; sheer speculation: 2=1962, F=June

2) ca. 1982 -- brown Bianchi Tretubi frame; S/N on seat lug, starts with "1M"; speculation again: 1=1981; M=Dec.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bianchi Serial Number posted by Chuck Schmidt on 10/15/2001 at 7:48:32 PM
Hi Warren, Unfortunatly there is no data base that I know of for Bianchi serial numbers. It is usually easier to guess within a couple of years the age of the bike by the parts (some even have dates such as the patent date on Nuovo and Super Record rear derailleurs or the dates on the hub locknuts). I have compared Bianchi serial numbers on bikes from the 1950s and the serial numbers have nothing in common. I do know that Masi bikes made in Italy had the frame size and the month and year stamped on the steerer tube, so your 5 75 could be May 1975. I think that all you can really expect to do with trying to establish build dates with some bikes is to come within a couple of years at best. For those of you that aren't aware, there is a Campagnolo Timeline on my website that can help establish the date of your Campagnolo equiped bike at http://www.velo-retro.com

Chuck Schmidt
South Pasadena, California

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bianchi Serial Number posted by Warren on 10/15/2001 at 9:27:51 PM
Thanks for info. I was hoping that someone would say that that was how they stamped their team frames or that the prefix '4' meant it was ridden in Paris Roubaix.
The '575' could well be May '75. It came with that first series Super Record seat post, (27.0mm), and had high flange record hubs, with '75' cone lock nuts.
I'll do some homework on serial numbers of known early 'racing' Bianchi's here in Australia for interest sake.






AGE / VALUE:   year made info for CJ556474 posted by: Evan on 10/14/2001 at 11:06:49 PM
Can you give any info on two bikes? Ser #'s one from above and CJ526898


   year made info for CJ556474 posted by John E on 10/15/2001 at 1:34:06 AM
C = Mar J = 1973






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   eBay #1017217617 posted by: Walter on 10/14/2001 at 2:49:37 PM
I had never heard of 3Rensho until I started reading this forum. This is the first one I've seen in any capacity. It is a beautiful frame and certainly worth the money it's bidding for.

Thoughts?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   eBay #1017217617 posted by Steven on 10/15/2001 at 4:52:14 AM
3Rensho were a top quality bike, but they remain Japanese and lack the soul of the same era European bikes. Like Seiko or Citizen watches, or Toyota or Datsun cars, it is unlikely that they will ever gain collector's attention. All the more reason to purchase it and use it! What good is a toy if not used? Remember, in the game of life, the winner is the one who dies with the most 'used' toys!

   please define "soul" posted by John E on 10/15/2001 at 2:40:11 PM
Having never ridden a 3Rensho, I cannot comment on their road feel, responsiveness, or "soul." Unfortunately, my only personal database for Japanese bikes was my 1971 Nishiki Competition [frame builder: Kawamura; Ishiwata d.b. CrMo main triangle], which was indeed unresponsive and "soulless" (and very poorly painted), but which served me well for 20 years and 40K miles / 65K km, including a 12:18 Los Angeles Wheelmen double century and numerous hill climbs. By the late 1970s, however, the Japanese had learned how to build world-class frames.

I agree strongly with the preceding post that the better Japanese bikes are great daily drivers, partly because the collectors have not (yet?) discovered them.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn's fate posted by: Walter on 10/14/2001 at 2:41:34 PM
The current Velo News has it straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. Schwinn will be in Wal-Marts, "hopefully" in time for Christmas. Hopefully in the view of Pacific. Homegrown is gone and there'll not be a Schwinn manufactured in the US anymore. After existing inventory is gone the Schwinn line will top out at around $500 and the majority of bikes will be in the 300$ range which makes sense if you plan to sell in the mass-retail market.

This, of course, is not unexpected or unpredicted. Still a shame though.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn's fate posted by Oscar on 10/15/2001 at 3:31:00 AM
Well, you can say you remember when Schwinns were only sold by Schwinn authorized dealers, with carpet on the floor, and sold by a guy whom you called Mister. Pretty nostalgic, huh?

   keep your Schwinn posted by John on 10/15/2001 at 2:43:50 PM
The current interest in American icons, symbols, and artifacts, coupled with Schwinn's descent into mediocrity, can only boost the value and collectibility of the better older specimens. Now I definitely plan to keep my KOM!

   RE:keep your Schwinn posted by Joel on 10/18/2001 at 8:52:07 PM
I hope that Pacific will use the Schwinn name to offer a better quality of bike than those currently sold at Walmart. In the $3-500 range, there's no reason not to.






AGE / VALUE:   HEY, THEY DO IT WITH CARS!!!!!!!! posted by: Kevin K on 10/13/2001 at 10:07:50 PM
Hi. I was given a well used Schwinn Super Sport frame a while back. Not wanting to simply restore it, I chose what I hope is a very worthwhile modification to the bike. To those familiar with the Super Sport frames, they will know these hand brazed, or fillet brazed frames are not perfect in appearance at the weld joints. Hence, I'm working with a very forgiving frame. First, I used a metal saw to cut and remove the huge bottom bracket that houses the infamous " ASHTUBLA " crankset( I let enough area of metal as to allow the seat/bottom tube to remain connected.Next, I cut the dropouts free but left all the metal of the seatstays intact. Next, the donor bike. An older Nishiki made of 4130 tubing, same as the Super Sport except that this will allow the use of a quality bearing/crankset setup. This bike was cut even at the top of the bottom bracket where the seat/downtube join into the lugs. Next, it was cut at the seatstays. This now fits" almost like a glove " into the cavity area where the larger crankset housing was. It also does away with the stamped steel dropouts on the Super Sport and upgrades to a nice set of forged dropouts and a very nice looking set of chainstays. I should have all of the final handgrinding/fitting done this week and I hope to "braze" this together next weekend. Hope all goes well. Kevin


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HEY, THEY DO IT WITH CARS!!!!!!!! posted by Oscar on 10/14/2001 at 2:44:10 AM
Wear glasses, wear gloves, and get the kids out of the house if they don't know all their swear-words yet. Best of luck on your adventure.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HEY, THEY DO IT WITH CARS!!!!!!!! posted by Kevin K on 10/14/2001 at 10:18:48 PM
OUCH!WOW! You must have done this before! The Super Sport was great to break down and prep for the new bottom bracket/chainstays/dropouts.The Nishiki well.......... WHAT A BEAR!!!!!!!!!!!! This thing looks more like it was forged in one piece than brazed. So I doubt next weekend I'll be brazing this onto the SS frame. The gloves are a really good tip. Thanks. Also, body grinders from my car restoration days really don't cut it here. More like die grinders are necessary. I can tell this is going to be a slow process. Cut a little, cut a little more. Fit and refit. Any advice (Other than the purchase of a Sport Tourer would have been alot simpler). Still glad I did it and when she's done it'll be a pretty neat piece. Thanks again. Kevin

   SS mods posted by Eric Amlie on 10/15/2001 at 1:45:48 PM
Too late now as you have already cut, but Bill Putnam who occasionally posts here has an early sixties Super Sport or Superior frame that he brazed a bottom bracket shell for a cotterless crank right into the existing large shell for the ashtabula crank. I haven't seen the bike but apparently it fit right in. Back in those days the Super Sport/Superior frames also had forges Huret dropouts. Not sure when they switched to the stamped dropouts...probably 1967. My '66 Super Sport has the Hurets. Sounds like a fun project though. Let us know how it turns out.

   3-piece crank adaptor posted by John E on 10/15/2001 at 2:49:58 PM
For those of us lacking Kevin's brazing expertise and tools, Sheldon sells an adaptor which permits one to use a European-style crank in an Ashtabula shell. Of course, Kevin's solution is more elegant. When you finish, please weigh the frameset and/or complete bicycle. Good luck with an interesting project!

Just a guess, but it sounds as though [Nishiki] Kawamura used a higher-temperature solder than Schwinn did. The best European frames of that vintage used silver solder because of its low melting point.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HEY, THEY DO IT WITH CARS!!!!!!!! posted by Bill Putnam on 10/15/2001 at 9:29:59 PM
Kevin,

I know you don't want the advice but yes an older Sport Tourer frame would have saved you all the trouble. Standard
bottom bracket and nice fork ends (huret) on that one.

My Super Sport I bought as a used frame only without any
original paint. After riding with it for a couple years
with an ashtabula to 3 piece conversion bottom bracket, I
turned a couple rings whose OD fit inside the BB shell and ID fit the OD of a standard bottom bracket. Then my LBS
brazed it all in place along with down tube shift bosses, waterbottle cage bosses, and so on. I use this bike for
loaded touring. I figure it doesn't really matter that
much if it's a couple pounds heavier than a modern frame since I've often got about 50-60 pounds of gear on it
anyway. And I like the fillet brazing aesthetically.

The bottom bracket is one of the most heavily stressed areas
of a frame. I have broken through fatigue (normal use) another Schwinn frame at the seat tube/bottom bracket joint.
Be certain that your fitting of the seat tube/down tube to
BB is very good or you won't have a durable frame. Note that
the tubing OD of the Schwinn tubes is slightly greater than
the Nishiki frame so hopefully you'll be able to open up the
BB bore enough to fit the Schwinn tubes, though I'm trying
to understand how you'll have enough length of seat tube
and down tube to make it work.

There's a nice article on the Schwinn Super Sport, Sport
Tourer, and Superior at.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/schwinn-braze.html


   bottom bracket stress posted by John E on 10/16/2001 at 12:01:55 AM
> The bottom bracket is one of the most heavily stressed areas of a frame.

... particularly if you spend much time out-of-saddle ...

Yup -- that's what killed my American Eagle / Nishiki -- the seat tube lug cracked away from the rest of the BB shell. The BB area, the right chainstay, and the front end of the downtube are very common failure points for steel frames.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HEY, THEY DO IT WITH CARS!!!!!!!! posted by Kevin K on 10/23/2001 at 1:07:01 AM
Hi all. Well the Nishiki's forged rear dropouts were too thick to fit into the Super Sports groves on the seat stays. Just by luck I found a nice Schwinn frame with dropouts that are considerably thinner and should fit well without further cutting. So back at it I go. Kevin






MISC:   ride posted by: rickey on 10/13/2001 at 10:16:10 PM
come ride tomorrow take I-85 TO VALLEY LANETTE EXIT south on hwy 29 valley to knowles bicycle shop 10am-11am bring your own bike let's ride