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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







AGE / VALUE:   " ITALIAN MADE GLORIA" posted by: Kevin K on 12/26/2001 at 6:05:12 PM
Hi. A friend of mine has an old Italian bike and the only ID on the bike is the name/decals "Gloria" It's blue with Campy pieces and sewups. Really funky looking bottom bracket and crankset. As I recall, they are steel. I saw the bike some time ago and I found it interesting.Anybody know anything about these bikes? Kevin K


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Brian L. on 12/26/2001 at 9:44:38 PM
Gloria is an old and venerable Italian marque. I do not know when they passed out of existence, but they were prominent just prior to the Coppi era and were famous as one of the first to use the Vittoria Margherita gear changer. Pictures of a beautiful Gloria can be seen on the Vintage Velos website(http://www.vintagevelos.com/Gloria48.html).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Kevin K on 12/26/2001 at 11:20:10 PM
Hey Brian. Cool! I see my friend next week sometime. I'll see if I can gather any additional info.Thanks loads, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Walter on 12/27/2001 at 2:40:32 AM
That bike at VintageVelos is most definitely "bellaisima" or something like that. If your friend's is anything like that Kevin, he's got a winner.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Brian L. on 12/27/2001 at 4:53:50 AM
I'd second that. Even if you're friends Gloria is tired, they are rare and definitely worth refurbishing, if it needs it. If it does, and he's so inclined, he should refrain from new paint and the like. Glorias are rare, particularly in the US and original patina should be preserved as character and history.

   Giubilato  posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/27/2001 at 8:21:52 PM
Anybody ever hear of "Giubilato"?
Thanks






MISC:   Info Needed posted by: Jimmy McG. on 12/26/2001 at 3:01:42 AM
Found a 10 speed this last weekend that I hava a question about . It is a C.ITOH, and since I'm new to this and have never seen this brand before was wondering if anyone has any info on this brand of bikes. The bike is from the 70's 27", generator with headlight/tailight.Any ideas? As always "THANKS"


   generic Janapese 10-speed posted by John E on 12/26/2001 at 3:53:25 AM
Unless it has high-end components or a good pedigree on the frame tubing, assume it's a basic low-end Japanese 10-speed, worth about what you paid for it.

   RE:MISC:   Info Needed posted by Walter on 12/26/2001 at 9:45:24 PM
C. Itoh is (was) a large Japanese trading company that sold a very wide range of products. Obviously, bicycles and I remember a C. Itoh dort matrix printer from my grad. school days. They would not have made the bike but badged it. Have heard of a few of their bikes and to be honest never heard anything good about them. John's assessment is probably right but take a look at the components before you get rid of it b/c as they say in Vegas....you never know.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Info Needed posted by Skip Echert on 12/28/2001 at 5:00:07 AM
Hello Jimmy -
C.Itoh later became Bridgestone. Bridgestone, while long out of business, has a strong following in the iBOB -Bridgestone owner's bunch.
cheers,
skip

   RE:MISC:   Info Needed posted by freddie on 12/28/2001 at 2:54:56 PM
Maybe someone can help me on a C.ITOH I pickedup a few weeks ago. 27" Good comps. Twin headlights with crashgards and laillights All looks factory as wireing is routed inside channles Full fenders A lot of bridgstone parts Heavy leather seat with bridgestone tooling on sides. Front and rear folding racks .BS spoke lock ect, Tires are also BS, and still have the nubbies.The frame and all parts inc. fenders are stainless steel. The lugs are cast alm.This is a very heavy bike. Built like a tank and would last a liftime if you can put up with the weight.All stickers are bright and clean.It might be a low end bike but it looks like it just came out of yhe showroom.I gave $65.00 for this bike. Can any one tell me much about it? Were many made of stainless? Even the generator is stamped bridgstone. It evev has stainless inclosed holders for spare bulbs.Thank you.






AGE / VALUE:   columbia sport three posted by: travis on 12/25/2001 at 11:50:18 PM
i have a columbia sport three serial number n224714 and can't find it on the serial number chart and would like to know what year it is


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   columbia sport three posted by Walter on 12/26/2001 at 9:48:51 PM
The Columbia Sport 3 that I remember was a dep't store 3 speed that my mother owned during the 1970s. Columbia has a much longer history than that though. You're probably better off putting this on the English Roadster or even Balloon Tire boards.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   columbia sport three posted by TRAVIS on 12/27/2001 at 5:28:40 PM
THANKS FOR THE REPLY WALTER I'LL TRY IT ON THE BALOON TIRE THANKS AGAIN






AGE / VALUE:   columbia sport 3 posted by: travis on 12/25/2001 at 5:36:47 AM
i have a columbia sport 3 bike and was woundering what it is worth it's all original but not in mint condition thx







FOR SALE:   A LOT OF BIKES posted by: FREDDIE on 12/25/2001 at 4:14:15 AM
AS A COLLECTER i HAVE COME ACROSS A LOT OF BIKES oVER 40 NOW AND i NEED TO SELL A FEW TO MAKE ROOM. SOME RARE ALL NEED A GOOD HOME CALL ME TO SEE WHAT i HAVE,PRICE IS CHEAP IF YOU CAN PICK UP e MAIL DEADFROG@NALU.NET OR CALL AT 812 934 0520 AND ASK FOR FREDDIE .SCHWINN. MOTOMCANE. ECT. I HAVE IT THANK YOU.







FOR SALE:   A LOT OF BIKES posted by: FREDDIE on 12/25/2001 at 4:14:15 AM
aS A COLLECTER i HAVE COMR ACROSS A LOT OF BIKES oVER 40 NOW AND i NEED TO SELL A FEW TO MAKE ROOM. SOME RARE ALL NEED A GOOG HOME CALL ME TO SEE WHAT i HAVE,pRICE IS CHEAP IF YOU CAN PICK UP e MAIL DEADFROG@NALU.NET OR CALL AT 812 934 0520 AND ASK FOR FREDDIE SCHWINN. MOTOMCANE. ECT. i HAVE IT tHANK YOU.







MISC:   Quick question posted by: bacoes on 12/25/2001 at 1:37:30 AM
Pulled a World Traveler out of a dumpster today. Frame is too small for me, but it had old ('80) DuraAce cranks and Schwinn approved barcons. I needed a set of barcons for a 'cross project I've been thinking about. Are these Suntour made? They have that little rachet sounds like suntour shifters, but I thought Maillard made all of the Schwinn approved stuff. If anyone needs the frame or any of the other parts, let me know. I've got to try to get rid of the frame and such before my wife gets home from the holiday visits to her parents.


   RE:MISC: The memories  posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/29/2001 at 7:14:02 PM
Put it back into the dumpster! Put it back, before it is too late....
I have a 1954 version with the alloy shell 3 speed hub and Schwinn locking fork (with key) I ventured into a nasty side of town and braved snapping pit bulls in the dead of winter to buy it and bring it back. The buyer had booze on his breath, it was a day filled with odd adventure all those abandoned buildings mixed in with occupied buildings and business. The lurking about in ancient St louis. Too heavy of a bike and I have no passion for these middleweight Schwinns being a Raleigh guy.
But even still, I would have pulled your bike out of the dumpster just like you did.I would have brought it home where the very sight of it would agrivate me silly as I don't care for these bikes. Listen to your other pals here on what to do with it. I must say recovering a free bike, a complete bike with both wheels and getting it back into usefulness or even selling it is an experience I still go for.I have the same passion for it as I ever did. Only now I'm old and my experience has made me jaded and fussy and more difficult to please. Still I'm diving in because you never know what you will find!

   RE:MISC:   Quick question posted by Oscar on 12/26/2001 at 11:13:10 PM
Lotsa stuff was Schwinn approved: Atom, Huret, Maillard, Shimano, Suntour, Sprint, etc. Suntour was the only company (I know of) who made power ratchets. Good find! Cranks, ders, brakes & levers were probably decent quality, too.






AGE / VALUE:   Mercier posted by: Peter Castellanos on 12/24/2001 at 5:56:57 PM
Ian,

Thanks a lot for all your trouble especially during the Holidays. The info is phenominal !
I hope you and your' family have a Happy Holiday !
Thanks again,
'Peter C.







AGE / VALUE:   Mercier posted by: Peter Castellanos on 12/24/2001 at 5:28:04 AM
The crankset is Solida. The clips are Brevete AFA French. There is another sticker reading
" special luxtub fabrication garantie " I see no other markings, I'm a bit of a novice at this so feel free to 'lead me in the direction I need to go. I hope this helps ID this particular bike somewhat further.
Thanks for the speedy reply John.
Happy Holidays,
'Peter C.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mercier posted by Ian Kersey on 12/24/2001 at 5:23:13 PM
Peter,

I have a Mercier catalog from Beacon Cycle and Supply Co. (early to mid '70s) which lists the following spec's for each of their models:

Model 300:
Reynolds 531 double butted frame, front and rear forks.
Chromium plated front fork ends.
Simplex Criterieum front and rear gear changers.
Simplex frame mount shift controls.
Normandy Competition Dural QR large flange hubs
Stronglight headset.
Stronglight professional crank set and chainwheel 46 x 52 (picture looks like a Stronglight 93).
Simplex cable clips.
Dural pedals with reflectors.
Chrome seat post.
MAFAC brakes with hooded levers and adjusters.
Atom 66 competition freewheel 14 x 24.
Sedis chain.
Mavic Monthlery alloy rims.
Chromed straight gauge spokes.
Hutchinson tubular sew-up racing tires.
Ideale 2000 molded saddle.
Dural handlebar.
Dural AMC handlebar stem.
Tornade Dural ringed pump with AFA express connector.
Brazed-on pump clips.
Toe clips and straps.
Approximate Weight: 22 lbs.
Colors: Orange, Red, Sky Blue, White, Yellow, Kelly Green, and Purple
Frame Sizes: 19 1/2", 21", 23", 25"


Model 200:
Luxtub tubing - frame, front and rear forks.
Chromium plated front fork ends.
Simplex Prestige front and rear gear changers and frame mount shift controls.
Normandy Dural QR large flange hubs
Precision fork ends.
3 pin steel chainwheel 46 x 52.
Brazed-on cable clips.
Steel rattrap pedals with reflectors.
MAFAC brakes with hooded levers and adjusters.
Normandy freewheel 14 x 24.
Sedis chain.
Mavic Sport alloy rims.
Butted rustless spokes.
Hutchinson sew-up tubular racing tires.
Molded vinyl covered saddle.
Dural handlebar stem.
Dural handlebar.
Tornade Dural ringed pump with AFA express connector.
Brazed-on pump clips.
Toe clips and straps.
Cloth handlebar tape.
Special hand striping.
Approximate Weight: 25 lbs.
Colors: Orange, Red, Sky Blue, White, Yellow, Kelly Green, and Purple
Frame Sizes: 19 1/2", 21", 23", 25"


Model 100 (and 111 Mixte):
Luxtub tubing - frame, front and rear forks.
Chromium plated front fork ends.
Simplex front and rear gear changers.
Simplex frame mounted shift controls.
Normandy Dural QR large flange hubs
3 pin steel chainwheel 40 x 52.
Brazed-on cable clips.
Rattrap steel pedals with reflectors.
MAFAC brakes with hooded levers and adjusters.
Normandy freewheel 14 x 28.
Sedis chain.
Rigida steel rims, serrated edges.
Butted rustless spokes.
Hutchinson high pressure gumwall tires.
Molded vinyl saddle.
Steel handlebar.
Dural handlebar stem.
Tornade Dural ringed pump.
Brazed-on pump clips.
Black handlebar tape.
Special hand striping.
Approximate Weight: 25 lbs.
Colors: Orange, Red, Sky Blue, White, Yellow, Kelly Green, and Purple.
Frame Sizes: 19 1/2", 21", 23", 25" (20" and 22" for mixte)


Model 90 (and 91 Mixte):
Luxtub tubing - frame, front and rear forks.
Simplex front and rear gear changers.
Simplex frame mount shift controls.
Normandy large flange hubs with wingnuts.
3 pin steel chainwheel 40 x 52.
Rattrap steel pedals with reflectors.
LAM brakes with hooded levers and adjusters.
Normandy freewheel 14 x 28.
Sedis chain.
Rigida steel rims, serrated edges.
Butted rustless spokes.
Hutchinson high pressure gumwall tires.
Molded vinyl saddle.
Steel handlebar.
Dural handlebar stem.
Black handlebar tape.
Approximate Weight: 25 lbs.
Colors: Blue and Yellow
Frame Sizes: 19 1/2", 21", 23", 25" (20" and 22" for mixte)


Model 140 (and 141 Mixte -- both of these are children's 18" frame racers):
Luxtub tubing - frame, front and rear forks.
Chromium plated front fork ends.
Simplex Prestige front and rear gear changers.
Simplex frame mounted shift controls.
Normandy Dural QR large flange hubs
3 pin steel chainwheel 36 x 42.
Brazed-on cable clips.
Rattrap steel pedals with reflectors.
MAFAC brakes with hooded levers and adjusters.
Normandy freewheel 14 x 24.
Sedis chain.
Rigida steel rims, serrated edges.
Butted rustless spokes.
Hutchinson high pressure gumwall tires.
Molded vinyl saddle.
Steel handlebar.
Dural handlebar stem.
Tornade Dural ringed pump.
Brazed-on pump clips.
Black handlebar tape.
Special hand striping.
Approximate Weight: 25 lbs.
Colors: Red, Lime Green, and Sky Blue
Frame Sizes: 18" for both boys and mixte.


Hope this helps -- Merry Christmas!

Ian Kersey








AGE / VALUE:   Mercier Road Bike posted by: Peter Castellanos on 12/24/2001 at 3:31:07 AM
Hello All,
I have just acquired and old Mercier road bike with Simplex rear derailleur and Suntour VX front. Mafac brakes and Divo neck. Its light blue with black accents, however on the seatpost tubing it has a factory sticker of a racer
( waving ) in a Mercier jersey. Its all original and quite a find, even down to the leather toe strap bindings.
I've looked on VB website and have visited Sheldon's which has a few sentences on a Mercier bike.
If anyone has any info on this bike I would greatly appreciate it. E'mail me or simply reply on the VBDA.
Many Thanks,
'Peter C.


   Mercier Road Bike posted by John E on 12/24/2001 at 4:35:59 AM
Mercier was a Peugeot-class marque. They exported a UO-8 clone and a PX-10 clone to the U.S. What crankset and dropouts do you have? Is there any remnant of a Reynolds or a Vitus sticker? The original front derailleur was obviously a Simplex, but the SunTour may work better.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mercier Road Bike posted by free spirit on 12/24/2001 at 6:27:56 AM
Mercier imported 3 models the 100, 200 and 300, yours is probably the 100 or 200. the 300 had reynolds tubing and strongight (star shaped bolt pattern!) cotterless cranks and other equalily unique french made parts. Merciers usually have nice retro style two tone paint schemes. I have a bike book that has european merciers with campagnolo nuovo record and super record components!






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vitus on Ebay posted by: Ian. on 12/23/2001 at 7:37:32 PM
Hi, would anybody care to comment why the Vitus just ended (item 1649057719) only made $179.50 and failed to meet reserve? Was the componentry on this one low end or incorrect. I have recently started expanding my collection to include lightweights and have the opportunity to get a Vitus here (in New Zealand) which I thought would be a nice rider/part-time racer. Would appreciate some input on their good and bad points. I have read Sheldon's notes on them and know the history of Vitus as a tube manufacturer. What would be good componentry to have on one? Thanks and Merry Christmas, Ian.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vitus on Ebay posted by Oscar on 12/23/2001 at 8:40:43 PM
Can you re-check the ebay number? I copied and pasted and found a German socket set.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vitus on Ebay posted by Ian. on 12/26/2001 at 7:49:27 AM
Sorry, can't read my own writing half the time, try 1049057719. Cheers, Ian.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vitus on Ebay posted by wayne davidson on 12/26/2001 at 5:01:10 PM
Hi, one major problem is frame flex, I had a couple of Alans over the years and the only goos thing I can say about them was the nice ride, handled like a sack of spuds when compared to my Klein and Rigi.
I did see one at Lawrie Dawes, a vitus frame that is, did not ask. I can give you Peters email addy if you need it. As far as parts for it go, I never saw a built up for sale, but I am sure any decent simplex gear would be good for it.
Huret was not popular here, even thou you can find it out the back of an old shop every now and again....regards wayne....






AGE / VALUE:   SUPER SPORT PROJECT posted by: Kevin K on 12/23/2001 at 6:27:27 PM
Hi. I'm in the process of building up a 73 Super Sport into a single speed/track style bike of some type. I've modified the frame to accept a 3 piece crankset vs the heavy Asthabula crankset. I saw on ebay( or somewhere ) a bike that had the crankset/chainrings on the left side of the bike vs the right. Where would I find the rear drive pieces necessary to accomplish this? Also, I'm looking for a large chainring for the crankset. I've never seen anything personally over 54 tooth. I'd like at least a 60-64 tooth unit. Any ideas where to find these either? Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all.Kevin


   left-side drive posted by John E on 12/23/2001 at 8:35:57 PM
The only left-side drives I have ever seen on bicycles (other than an occasional reversed photo on eBay) are the synchronizer chains on cross-over style tandems, a dual-chain two-speed transmission from the 1910s, and the first-stage drive on John Howard's world land speed record bike.

You can build a left-side drive fixed-gear bike by mounting the rear wheel backwards and by using half of a crossover tandem crankset, but your rear cog will be self-loosening and will require a lockring and perhaps LocTite, as well. I guess I don't see the benefit ...

Sheldon may have some large 130mm BCD rings from QBC. Sugino made large 144mm BCD chainrings, and TA made large rings in the Cyclotouriste family. These and the corresponding cranks appear on eBay from time to time, but you may have trouble finding a crossover tandem crankset.

   RE:left-side drive posted by Warren on 12/24/2001 at 12:46:27 AM
I've seen a couple of courier "fixies" where they just flipped a standard crank and axle around...I can't see why this wouldn't work. John is spot-on with respect to both a lockring AND locktite, (I would use the stronger "blue" 262 stuff although it may require a little heat to remove)

I don't know what a Super-Sport is...Schwinn? Which raises the question why you would need a 60 tooth chainring. They are usually reserved for the 20" wheel bikes like Moultons and Twenty's etc. And yes you can get TA chainrings in these sizes.

   pedal threading posted by John E on 12/24/2001 at 4:40:36 AM
Merely reversing a standard crankset will NOT work, because the pedal threads will self-loosen. A friend of mine discovered this the hard way when he made his own cross-over style tandem crankset out of three regular Sugino sets. He finally resorted to cross-threading left-threaded pedal shafts into the two (left side) synchro cranks and a right-threaded pedal into the captain's non-drive crank.

   Super Sport posted by John E on 12/24/2001 at 4:46:26 AM
The Super Sport to which he refers is an older fillet-brazed CrMo Schwinn which resembles a Continental, but which is significantly lighter and more resilient. The fillet-brazing and superior steel alloy allowed Schwinn to build an equally-strong, lighter-weight alternative to the electroforged Varsinentals.

   RE:pedal threading posted by Warren on 12/24/2001 at 1:53:23 PM
More loctite for the pedals? (It does seem like a lot of work do make an unusal bike, doesn't it?)

   RE:Super Sport posted by Kevin K on 12/24/2001 at 2:19:40 PM
Hi Guys and thanks for advice. The Super Sport will be more for simply displaying than riding.I realize it's not a practicle setup for day to day use,though it will be ridden on occasion on a new bike path that was just completed here. It's glass smooth and runs east/west. We get some great west winds, I thought it might be fun to build a bike with just enough on it to make her go fast and stop just as fast. I'll probally leave the crankset alone as for right side mounting, but I'll start looking for the gearing pieces I'll need. Thanks again, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SUPER SPORT PROJECT posted by sam on 12/25/2001 at 11:39:05 PM
Schwinn made a 64 tooth sprocket to fit the Asthabula crank,but it will not fit on the bike!they were made for the exercise bikes.And if you find an old exercise bike they also came with a cool alum.atom hub(fixed)with 14 tooth.






AGE / VALUE:   early 1961 Schwinn Traveler (year?) posted by: Tim P. on 12/23/2001 at 5:38:12 PM
Anyone have information on this model? I saw one in lbs., nice condition, rear fender buggered up, but all else is pretty nice. Would like to see a picture of one, followed by details of what it had on it and years produced. Email me direct, as getting on this site with my server is VERY slow. Thanks, Tim P.







AGE / VALUE:   amf westpoint posted by: Travis Herron on 12/23/2001 at 5:39:59 AM
i have a amf westpoint girls bike in perfect condition everything original and i would like to know what it is worth and a little info on it i got it at a garage sale for 5.00 it has a wicker basket on the front and a chrome headlight the finders are chrome too any info will help i can't find anything about them anywhere







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot UO-8 Data Matrix posted by: Ian Kersey on 12/23/2001 at 2:51:18 AM
If anyone is interested, I have built a Peugeot UO-8 model data matrix, similar to the ones on the Retro Raleigh website that provide specific component/configuration information by year. Have UO-8 data from c.1970, 1973, c.1973/74, 1974, c.1977, Late 1970s, and c.1981 (sources include a half dozen Peugeot catalogs plus 1973 Buyer's Guide). Am sending a copy to Dale at Classic Rendezvous to see if he will post on his Peugeot site. In the meantime, will email you a copy if interested. Just drop me a line. Will be developing similar data matrices for other Peugeot models as time permits.

In the meantime, have a Joyeux Noel.

Ian Kersey


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot UO-8 Data Matrix posted by Lamont on 12/24/2001 at 5:16:49 PM
Ian
I would love to get a copy of your UO-8 matrix so that I can know a bit more about my growing collection of Peugeots
thanks in advance

Lamont