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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   bar cons posted by: Dennis McLean on 3/31/2001 at 2:57:45 PM
Would anyone know what a fair price to ask for used sun tour bar-con shifters and a sun tour alpha 5000 front derailler be? I will have a 27 inch Rigida wheel W/ A maillard heliomatic 6 speed hub for sale after I get a new rear built, would anyone have any interest in it.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   bar cons posted by Brian L. on 3/31/2001 at 3:47:12 PM
$15 - $20 for the shifters + dr, possibly the same (or less) for the wheel.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   bar cons posted by Skip Echert on 3/31/2001 at 7:48:46 PM
Hello Dennis -

Our local Recycled Cycles (Seattle) has them (used but good condition) for $38. (pretty pricy -huh?). I think Brian's estimate makes more sense.

The derailleur would be $5 to $12 depending on condition, and which individual did the tagging.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   bar cons posted by Greg Groth on 4/1/2001 at 4:17:11 PM
FWIW, NOS SunTour Bar-Con shifters for sale - $49 at Renaissance Cycles.

http://www.renaissance-cycles.com/resultaten.asp?t=9&p=1







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Leather handlebar wrap posted by: Walter on 3/31/2001 at 9:07:16 AM
I remember a 1 piece sewn leather handlebar wrap from the late-70s or so. I know Motobecane used to use it on their better models b/c I was "into" Motos as a Jr/High schooler and I've seen some older Motos on ebay that have this wrap still. That tells me it was probably pretty durable. Anybody know anything about it? Is it still available? I invariably use cork wrap but am intrigued with this old memory I seem to have dredged up.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Leather handlebar wrap posted by desmo on 3/31/2001 at 2:03:28 PM
I bought a cinelli that had a leather wrapped "VIP" bar. I took it off as it wasn't correct for the vintage of the bike but I enjoyed using it before it got taken off. Seems realy durable too.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Leather handlebar wrap posted by Warren on 3/31/2001 at 2:16:55 PM
There was a guyy up here in Toronto who used to do custom leather for the radonneurs...it certainly wouldn't be cheap. If you want a serious quote I'm sure I could find the guy.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Leather handlebar wrap posted by Walter on 4/1/2001 at 7:22:23 AM
Thanks for the offer but not now anyways. I saw a Moto not too long ago and it jogged my memory. I'm content with the cork tape. My only problem is that I use wide bars so I have to be careful not to come up short at the top.

Btw there's a Grand Record on ebay original Campy and some Phil Wood updates. It's got cloth tape though.






AGE / VALUE:   3rensho frame posted by: gary on 3/31/2001 at 12:02:16 AM
I recently purchased a blue & white 3rensho frame from a friend. The frame is made of ishiwata double butted cro-mo. The craftmanship looks excellent. There is a signature by YamaKonno on the top tube. Can anyone tell more about the frame or about 3rensho?


   archives and Sheldon posted by John E on 3/31/2001 at 5:38:14 AM
I believe there was a sun-rensho posting earlier this month in this forum, and SheldonBrown.com and Cyclesdeoro.com / classics rendezvous / Japan tell a bit about this distinguished marque, as well. Congratulations -- you have just purchased one of the finest frames (from Japan or anywhere else) of its vintage. Enjoy!






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What are they worth? posted by: Jack Steinmetz on 3/30/2001 at 7:46:07 PM
I have two old racing bikes I wish to sell but don't know what the value is?
The first one is a Italian racing bike, a "Cinelli", it was a top of the line bike back in the late 60's, excellent condition, all Campagnolo equipement, spare set of wheels.
The second bike is a British racing bike, a "Dawes" Galaxy, bought new by my wife in 1972 also in excellent condition


   nice bikes posted by John E on 3/31/2001 at 5:44:51 AM
If it is in truly "excellent" condition with all original components, that Cinelli is a collectible, and valuable enough that I do not want to play "The Price is Right" with it. The Dawes, though also a very competent machine, is not in the same league; it is thus worth considerably less than the Cinelli. Sheldon has a cross-link to a vintage bicycle pricing guide, and you may want to scan eBay for comps.






AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Continental -- why French parts posted by: dave on 3/30/2001 at 1:29:47 PM
I can't rationally explain why I bought this bike (thrift store) ...
maybe the leather saddle was calling out to me. Anyway, a bronze Schwinn
Continental, serial number seems to indicate from '63, with mostly
French parts -- Huret DRs and shifters, Schwinn rims but Atom/Malliard hubs
and skewers, AVA stem, Lycett saddle (?), even has Huret stamped on
the cranks, pedals look like Lyotard. Was this common practice to
put mostly French stuff on the Continentals from this period?
Headbadge is not the standard Schwinn but instead from the big
Schwinn dealer in town at the time, Haack's Cycles.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Continental -- why French parts posted by Eric Amlie on 3/31/2001 at 11:41:19 AM
Hey Dave, I recognize that name (Haack's). Are you in Madison Wisconsin? I'm really glad you found that bike before I did. I REALLY don't need another bike (unless it's a '62-'63 Superior) but I would have just HAD to buy it if I had found it.

Hey John E. All of my Sprint cranksets come apart same as the Hurets and other Ashtabula Schwinns. They aren't integral. I am also not unconvinced that the Sprint components weren't made by Huret. The Sprint derailleurs, except for the badging, are pretty much identical to some of the Hurets. Maybe Schwinn just stole or bought the rights to their design. I also have a Sprint triple chainwheel (for '64 Sierra that is identical to Huret triple that was used in '62-'63.
Have you shot the photos of Kristy's(?) '60 Continentals yet. I am still very much interested in seeing them. Please let us know when you have them posted. Thanks

   Schwinn Continental posted by John E on 3/31/2001 at 1:00:41 PM
Hi Eric,
The Sprint derailleurs are indeed rebadged Huret Allvits. I was complaining about Schwinn's abandonment of an internationally standard (for steel cranks) BCD, which had allowed users to swap chainring sizes easily. Your Sprint triple sounds like a genuine Huret. By the way, I consider 1963 to be the Conti's finest year: downtube shifters, good derailleurs, standard BCD, 27" tyres, and no overweight spoke protectors or chainguards.

I just sent an email to Kristie and Kelly. They now plan to bring their 1960 Contis to my office next Saturday. I'll post a few snapshots in BicycleForum.com's photo gallery, for all of you Schwinnophiles.

   French parts posted by John E on 3/30/2001 at 3:33:49 PM
Yes, through the 1960s and 1970s, Schwinn Varsities and Continentals had lots of French components (and Swiss brakes). They started out with already-obsolete Simplex derailleurs (suicide fronts and clock-spring rears) for cost reasons, but switched over to the vastly superior Huret Allvit after Huret agreed to meet Simplex' price. In 1960, there was no domestic mass production of "10-speed-specific" freewheels, derailleurs, high-flange hubs, saddles, etc. In Europe, the French completely dominated the mass market -- Campy was far more expensive, and the British were focused mainly on Sturmey-Archer hub gears, although Cyclo-Benelux did clone Simplex derailleurs and Atom freewheels. Since Schwinn's upper management considered the 1960 Varsinentals to be a major marketing gamble, they did not want to tool up component production in addition to frame production, so Miss Liberty's birthplace became the obvious parts supplier. Your bike probably has Huret chainrings with a standard 3-bolt mounting circle. I never did like Schwinn's cost-cutting move of replacing these in 1964(?) with their proprietary "sprint" integral outer ring - spider.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Schwinn Continental -- why French parts posted by dave on 4/2/2001 at 6:32:44 AM
Thanks for the info ... yes I'm in (actually just outside of) Madison.
Sure you don't want this bike? ;-)
... maybe it was the bronze color that made me buy it.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Schwinn Continental -- why French parts posted by Eric Amlie on 4/3/2001 at 7:58:17 AM
Actually I would love to have the bike, but I am truely out of room. I would like to trade you a Brooks B15 saddle for your Lycett if it's in reasonable condition. I think the Brooks would be considered an upgrade from the Lycett. If you're interested you should be able to email me by clicking on my name here. Otherwise I am at






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Another Rare Gem posted by: Keith on 3/29/2001 at 7:05:48 AM
"1937" Schwinn Paramount, ebay # 1127343561. I don't know about the date -- I though they started in 1938, but I'm no expert (those cofee table book can get it wrong, after all). Nevertheless, this is an incredible unrestored bike -- look at the decals, and all of the original Schwinn parts!


   Rare Gem posted by John E on 3/29/2001 at 7:51:00 AM
Wow! Did you guys notice the Bianchi-style integral headset, the bottom bracket oil fitting, and the Brooks saddle clamp? Of course, that aftermarket Weinmann brake would be far more effective on the front wheel! Thanks for the posting.

   RE:Rare Gem posted by Art on 3/29/2001 at 9:49:49 AM
According to the Waterford page, Emil Wastyn started building Paramount frames in 37. They have a 38-39 frame numbered A544, so this obviously predates that. It was probably one of the earliest 6 day racer bikes with the Paramount name. Major Taylor stem it appears. The balled end on the seat stays, as opposed to the traditionally Paramount slanted ends makes it that much older and connected to Emil Wastyn. A very cool bike, one that I wish I'd found as opposed to buy. I have no idea how high this might go. It appears to be a bike one wouldn't want to restore, but mechanically it could be a rust nightmare. The crank seems to be really rusty. With bikes like this, one never knows what the crank holds, or if the stem is ceased. I couldn't figure out how the rear brake was attached because it didn't seem to be connected to the seat stay brace. Anyone catch that? It's obviously an add on.

   RE:RE:Rare Gem posted by Warren on 3/30/2001 at 10:14:56 AM
Have a look at one of the later pics on photopoint...TWO brake bridges! One of the most intriguing bikes I've seen yet.

   RE:RE:RE:Rare Gem posted by Art on 3/30/2001 at 1:03:15 PM
That's it, Warren. I saw the top one and missed the lower one, amazing.






FOR SALE:   '72 SUBURBAN/PARTS posted by: MIKE on 3/29/2001 at 4:49:34 AM
ANYONE NEED PARTS FOR A SUBURBAN,SATURDAY IF I HAVENT SOLD THE WHOLE BIKE IM GOING TO MAKE PARTS OF IT......MIKE







AGE / VALUE:   Simplex Delrin posted by: Bob Atwood on 3/28/2001 at 3:13:50 PM
I am working on a French bike which came with a Simplex plastic rod type front derailuer and a Suntour (much later vintage) rear. I suspect the bike had a black plastic deraileur on the rear as well. I guess the vintage of the bike to be 1960s and the other component level suggests a good quality bike. My question is: were there different models of the Simplex plastic derailuers and were these differences quality differences.
I have a nice set of Superbe Pro derailuers that I could use on this bike and I am thinking about giving up on Simplex "period correctness" even though I have "new" pristine Simplex Delrin derailuers to install. Any suggestions?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex Delrin posted by desmo on 3/28/2001 at 5:18:13 PM
As I recall Simplix delrin derailleurs came in two varieties. First the ubiquitous Prestige model with the primarily red name plate, and a slightly more upmarket version with a mostly siver name panel. Cannot recall the exact differences, they looked very similar. For the love of god, don't put Suntour derailleurs on an old French bike. How many Peugeot PX-10s have we all seen destroyed by "upgrading" the components? Sure that old French bike will work better with a 105 gruppo or whatever hung on it, but if function is your primary concern, buy a recent Taiwan-made bike. It'll work better than any old classic in most ways and you won't need to destroy a bike with charm and personality to get it. Judging by what I've seen on ebay, PX-10s with "upgraded" Japanese components are worth about zip, while a good original example with it's "inferior" French parts is very desirable. And I agree with the consensus in those cases, a fine French frame with incorrect components is just a waste of a fine French frame.

   counterpoint posted by John E on 3/29/2001 at 7:33:03 AM
Are you collecting or riding? My "best of both worlds" or "Frankensteinian" (depending on one's point of view!) 1980 Peugeot PKN-10E now has KoolStop brake pads, a SunTour Cyclone II rear derailleur, a Shimano 600 front derailleur, Campy friction downtube shifters, and a 110/74mm BCD Sugino crankset with half-step-plus-grannie gearing. In its present condition, it is a far better daily driver than with the original Peugeot-labled Simplex derailleurs. I kept the original Galli sidepull calipers, but I use short-reach Japanese or Weinmann brake handles on all of my road bikes, because I simply cannot grip the longer-reach Gallis, Campys, Mafacs, Modolos, etc. as securely and rapidly. If you are concerned about collectibility (with my somewhat battered paint job and Reynolds 531 "3 tubes renforces" mixed-tube frameset with visible seams on the backs of the fork blades, I am not), save all original components, but there is no reason to disparrage all "East meets West" bikes as "destroyed."

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Simplex Delrin posted by Bob Atwood on 3/29/2001 at 10:30:33 AM
Thanks for your comments. I am guessing this bike is no newer than 1962 because it came with a cottered Nevar "Sport" crank (alas I only have the left arm!). Suppose this were a high-end French bike c.a. 1960-1962. What deraileurs might one expect to find?
Does anyone know where I could get the metalic foil decals reproduced?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex Delrin posted by Keith on 3/29/2001 at 10:38:11 AM
The more I get into this stuff, the more I come to believe that in reality, only a handfull of vintage lightweights ought to be deemed rare collecter's item, worthy of museum quality 100% correct groupos. I'm thinking Wastyn Paramounts, Hetchins, proper vintage Cinellis and Masis and the like -- stuff I probably won't ever have. The rest of them are a great rideable bikes that can be had at a fraction of the cost of a new high end road bike, and are superior in some respects, IMHO. Although the PX-10 has a distinguished history (but the team bikes came out of the Peugeot pro shop, or were farmed out, of course) and following, it was not a first or even second tier bike, there were many many of them made, and the workmanship is just okay on the best of them. It may be worth it to some to make such a bike 100% correct, mainly for personal nostalgia (i.e. you had one or always wanted one), but in the larger picture I don't think these bikes will ever be worth a king's ransom. Their intrinsic value as wonderful rides is probably where their real worth lies. Suntour Superbe is as good as it gets -- every bit as good as Campy. If you're riding it, use the Superbe. If you really think it's a wall hanger, get the Simplex.

   period-correct French derailleurs posted by John E on 3/29/2001 at 10:59:07 AM
Perhaps these notes from "The Dancing Chain" [Berto et al.] will help. There were not many options in those days.

Huret 1961 medium price racing:
Allvit 1900 (on 1963+ Schwinn Varsity)
Simplex 1961 high end racing:
Juy Export 61 (after designer Lucien Juy)
Simplex 1962 medium price racing:
Prestige 532 (familiar Peugeot U0-8 delrin)
Campy 1951-62 expensive racing:
Gran Sport 1012

If you can find a Juy Export 61, it is probably the "correct" derailleur for your bike. (This rare bird is the steel-and-aluminum predecessor of the ubiquitous delrin Prestige.)






AGE / VALUE:   Have you ever heard of......... posted by: Walter on 3/28/2001 at 9:19:36 AM
A frame builder named Rob Roberson from San Diego?

Check out ebay #1126531966. As beautiful a frame, at least that I've seen via pictures. I really like te use of stainless steel in the badge.



   nice frame! posted by John E on 3/28/2001 at 12:52:31 PM
Even though I live in the San Diego area, I had not heard of Mr. Roberson until I read your post. If he helped build some of the California Masis, he probably does have good credentials. The frame indeed looks great, and I like the Reynolds 531, downtube shift lever bosses, and other retro touches. (Just my size, too ...) I only wish he had chosen (self-tightening) English BB threading.






AGE / VALUE:   '72 SCHWINN SUBURBAN/$20. OR posted by: MIKE on 3/27/2001 at 3:08:48 PM
IN S.E. WISCONSIN,MUST PICK UP.PRETTY CLEAN,NOT PERFECT,NOT BAD.MISSING HEADBADGE AND PEDDALS,OTHERWISE COMPLETE$20. OR WILL TRADE FOR PAIR OF SCHWINN COPPERTONE GRIPS.....MIKE







AGE / VALUE:   His & Hers Jeunets, part II posted by: Tim on 3/26/2001 at 10:45:38 PM
I posted about these earlier, but only based on telephone info. Now I have seen them, and have more info. They are two 1968's in 99% perfect condition, but are not high end. They are both orange with some nice black fancy lugs at the steerer tube, Nervar cranks, Mafac Racer brakes, and Simplex derailleurs. They are great to look at, especially together. The men's has drop bars, and the brake levers have a small, partial boot. The women's has upright bars, and a small leather bag off the back of the seat. There is no label of the tubing type, but they are not light (not 531). The women's has not even been ridden!. The current (original) owner is not too flexible with the price, but they may still be a deal, I don't know. Anyone have any idea of the value of such a pair?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   His & Hers Jeunets, part II posted by Art on 3/27/2001 at 6:06:03 AM
What is the owner asking for them?

   Peugeot U0-8 clones? posted by John E on 3/27/2001 at 7:23:46 AM
They do indeed sound comparable to the very common Peugeot UO-8 and U?-18 mixte, which are standard sub-$50 yard sale fare. However, the pristine condition and the rarity of the brand name (at least in the U.S.) makes the Jeunets far more valuable and *possibly* collectible. The Peugeots (and I suspect the Jeunets) retailed for about $120 each in 1972. Francophile Sheldon Brown may be willing to estimate the current value of the Jeunets.

The big question is whether you simply want daily drivers or whether you are willing to pay a collector's premium. The steering response is slow (by my standards) because of the long fork offset, and replacement parts can be hard to find, but these old French road bikes make very comfortable, classy, stable, versatile commuting and recreational machines. I happily commuted on a classic white 1973 Peugeot U0-8 for several years until a chainstay finally cracked.

   RE:Peugeot U0-8 clones? posted by Tim on 3/27/2001 at 9:20:42 AM
The owner is firm at Cdn$180 (about US$130) for the two bikes. Mr. Sheldon Brown, are you out there? I could use the opinion of a good francophile cyclophile. I am interested in them not as riders, but as collectables and just plain beautiful bits of bicycle history. But I don't want to pay very much of a 'collector's premium', because I don't want to sell them soon (if at all - boy is my garage getting full!)

   Sheldon Brown posted by John E on 3/27/2001 at 7:06:26 PM
Sheldon has his own website (sheldonbrown.com) and participates regularly in the Roadsters department of oldroads.com.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: His & Hers Jeunets, part II posted by Bob Atwood on 3/28/2001 at 4:28:04 PM
Sheldon's web site does not have much to say about Jeunets. There are some pictures at http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Jeunet_630.htm
It seems to me that if you are "collecting" then you should follow your interest. If your interest is worth the price then get them. If you are thinking of turning a profit then these bike may have a limited market.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   what is ishwata is.025 tubing posted by: Lawrence on 3/26/2001 at 9:10:53 PM
An old cheap NOS frame I picked up for a project is composed of IS.025 tubing.
I know its chunky but I was wondering whether it was chrome moly or high ten, butted or straight
guage, the inteded purpose of this tubing. I checked an old book and it listed IS.024 as butted for sprint racing
heavy road racing, and touring. There was no listing for IS.025.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   what is ishwata is.025 tubing posted by Warren on 3/27/2001 at 5:31:47 PM
The top of the line tubing by Ishwata was 022...double butted main tubes and stays. If you ever see a bike with this label grab it if it's reasonably priced. I spent 5 years riding an off-shore Bianchi with campy dropouts and chromed stays and I've never enjoyed a lightweight so much. It is so light and represents the best of the japanese tube sets. Very comparable to Columbus SLX although that statement may raise the hackles of Italian bike fans. 024 tubing was double butted main frame but straight gauge rear triangle. I haven't heard of 025 but I suspect it is one more down the food chain and is likely utilitarian cro-moly.

   Japanese tubing posted by John E on 3/28/2001 at 6:24:09 AM
I am a major fan of Italian bikes, but I have been told by a metallurgist that Tange Prestige II tubing is more uniform than Columbus SLX. Although my 1971 American Eagle SemiPro (Ishiwata double-butted CrMo) rode like a lead sponge, most of the more recent mid-to-high-end Japanese frames are world-class.

   RE:Japanese tubing posted by Warren on 3/28/2001 at 12:10:03 PM
Yes...lots of "double butted" tubes were pretty suspect. The tubing on my bike was from the eary 80's. I really think that the difference between the 022 and 024 tubesets were more than just the rear triangle. The weight difference was substantial as well as the quality of ride.






AGE / VALUE:   '72 Gitane Tourer on ebay posted by: desmo on 3/26/2001 at 5:53:53 PM
Cool original old Gitane tourer with extra braze-ons etc.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1127503976


   '72 Gitane Tourer on ebay posted by John E on 3/26/2001 at 6:42:58 PM
Nice bike, but look at that "buy it now" price! It will be interesting to see the final price, given its condition. The Campy triple crankset itself is a very sought-after collectible.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   '72 Gitane Tourer on ebay posted by Oscar on 3/26/2001 at 8:31:09 PM
Pretty well documented bike, though. I laughed at the line, "

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   '72 Gitane Tourer on ebay posted by Oscar on 3/26/2001 at 8:35:42 PM
I laughed at the line, "Only a few tests rides on this bike. No one has got to first base with her. " (And French, no less.)






AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by: mike on 3/25/2001 at 2:44:36 PM
i just finished building a schwinn traveler i got on the curb along with a ducane bbq grill for free. i think i want to put some better components on it though because it is a nice light frame. it has an ultralite decal at the bottom of the seat tube and is lug welded. light blue metalic in color with white schwinn letters. it is a whopping 27 inches tall.
any thoughts??????
also i am trying to place my old raleigh technium 480 in the value ring. it is super light alloy tubing and fitted with all shimano comps, including alloy rings. help?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by mike on 3/25/2001 at 3:00:12 PM
correction: the schwinn decal reads "schwinn xtra lite bicycles". and i cant seem to find th s.n. anywhere. where do i look?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by Greg Groth on 3/25/2001 at 11:04:39 PM
Schwinn Traveler's age can be found on the head badge. I'm guessing early 80's or so. There will be a 4 digit number stamped into the head badge - very small. This is the date code the bike was manufactured - first 3 numbers are the day of the year, last number is the year. For example 1282 would be the 128th day of '82 or '92. Bike was on the low end of the line, I think the lowest that had CroMo tubes. I can't recall if it was CroMo all the way through, or just the main tubes. I'm guessing the latter. The light blue '84 that I had came with yellow/white decals if memory serves and SunTour components that were decent enough, DiaCompe brakes that worked OK, wheels were nothing special and was probably in the high $200, low $300 price range - I'd have to dig for a receipt. Collectablity would be questionable IMHO, but a decent rider.

All I know about Techniums was that they were "glued & screwed" instead of welded, again if memory serves. From what I remember Techniums were manufactured in this way to get the price point lower than the competition.

   Xtra-lite posted by Oscar on 3/26/2001 at 2:54:44 PM
Schwinn X-tra-Lite Tubing was 1020 plain gauge low carbon steel. Same tubing as used on Le Tours. Cro-mo Schwinns had 4130 stickers.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by Eric Amlie on 3/27/2001 at 7:55:43 AM
The X-tra Lite bikes could be anything from 1020 to 4130 chrome-moly to Reynolds 531 depending on the model (the Paramounts from those years were classified as Xtra-Lite also). Depending on the year of this Traveler it could be 4130 chrome-moly.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by Greg Groth on 3/27/2001 at 7:40:34 PM
Sorry my mistake - spoke too soon, I'm not certain of the mid-80s Travelers, and should have said that I'm pretty sure the late 80s, early 90s (I foget the exact year it was dropped) used CroMo frames.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by Oscar on 3/27/2001 at 8:35:19 PM
Hey Greg - that dunce cap is mine. Thanks for setting me straight, Eric.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by Tony on 3/28/2001 at 6:43:54 PM
Just for anyones interest I just picked up a schwinn le tour
serial # on the frame is B738212 and the head number is 0497
I guess it is an 87. The is bike very good condition with a few minor scratches. I bought it at the salvation army for 135.50. I don't know much about bikes, but picked it up and it was very lite and affordable and it appeared like it would serve my needs. The bike is in perfect mechanical condition. And plan on doing some short hops on it this summer.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by Greg Groth on 3/29/2001 at 11:35:33 AM
While it might not help in the value arena, I found this link for the Technium today.

http://www.chainreaction.com/roadgeneral.htm

Does anyone know if the Technium used 6xxx series tubing or 7xxx? I'm thinking the 7xxx series and the market at the time had 7xxx bikes in the $800 to $1000 range, and because of the manufacturing methods the Technium was around $600 - same range as comparable 6xxx frames?

Tony, make sure to check the spoke tension on the wheels. I remember having problems with wheels losing tension on the mid-80s models that still used the 27" wheel - I can't recall what year they switched to 700c. I believe the rims were Weinmann, can't recall if they had eyelets. For customers that had recurring problems, we used LocTite blue which solved the problem.

   common aluminum alloys for bicycles posted by John E on 3/29/2001 at 5:50:27 PM
Retrogrouch that I am, I consider myself pretty well-versed on the steel alloys commonly used in bicycle framebuilding, but has anyone seen a good discussion of the relative merits of the various aluminum alloys? Sheldon gives a quick overview of the significance of the first digit (alloying elements, e.g. Si, Mn, etc.), but I do not know which tubing or frame manufacturers use which alloys, and why. Also, how does the aluminum used in frame building differ from the "dural" of which cranks, rims, stems, etc. are commonly made?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh technium/ schwinn traveler posted by mike on 3/30/2001 at 9:19:30 AM
thanks a lot for all the info. more on the technium for your digestion.
sn# r826760103. and the frame label says; 6013-t6 thermal bonded, high strength, heat treated, aluminum. and i might have mis stated the comps, which are suntour le pre.






AGE / VALUE:   Basso decals posted by: Walter on 3/24/2001 at 8:00:25 PM
My Italian project is nearly complete. Just need to stick on a chain and tune the derailleurs. I'm happy with my repaint but some decals would set it off nicely. Anyone have an idea where I might find some Basso decals? I'm willing to pay reasonable money but the budget on this project is finite.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Basso decals posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/26/2001 at 5:04:26 PM
Try Nick Tithecloth of "Nick at LLoyds"