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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Dawes Galaxy posted by: Mike Slater on 9/30/2001 at 3:04:35 AM
Hi Everyone,
Just picked up a Dawes Galaxy and would be interested in input/opinions.
Componets are as follows:
Frame: 531 reynolds (does not say DB) -very nicely done, forks are half chrome, crown is chrome.

Crank: Stronglight cottered steel crank
Pedals: Milremo
Toe clips: Christopher
F. deralier: Huret
R. derailer: Suntour VGTluxe
Brakes: Weinmann 999 centerpulls
Handlebars: Dawes Stem: GB
Shifters: Huret downtube w/black rubber covers
Seat: Messinger
Hubs and rims: Pelissier (beautiful) and birmalux (aluminum)

Has a rear fender and Pletscher rack, missing front fender.
Overall the bike appears pretty original....seems funny to find a steel stronglight crank on this bike. It has a 5 speed freewheel with the largest gears ( BIG ) missing every other tooth. I'm figuring this is from the early 70's.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Dawes Galaxy posted by Warren on 9/30/2001 at 1:54:03 PM
Seems to be a stock Galaxy...early 70's as you suggest...a good novice road bike. The main tubes are 531 and therefore DB. The stays and fork would be straight gauge. I think the rear derailleur may be a replacement from a few years later. A great commuter.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Dawes Galaxy posted by Mike Slater on 9/30/2001 at 3:58:15 PM
I was wondering about the rear derailer...what other derailer would have handled the large gears (32 tooth) on this bike? Also...there is a round mounting peg on the right fork, brazed on and then chromed when the fork ends were chormed. I am sure this is original and as thinking that a light might have mounted here. Sound reasonable?

I feel that this was a everyday commute type bike as you suggest, probably sold with full fenders, racks, ect. Where did this bike fall in the Dawes line-up?

Were the steel stronglight cranks common on these bikes?

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Dawes Galaxy posted by Warren on 10/1/2001 at 12:58:13 AM
I'm sure the 32 tooth cog was an add on and that would explain the derailleur. You're probably correct about the light bracket and the Stronglight crank is correct. I believe the Galaxy was the entry level in the Dawes lineup...although it was certainly a cut above the Peugeot U0-8 and other bike boom offerings.

   "The main tubes are 531 and therefore DB." posted by John E on 10/1/2001 at 9:23:44 PM
Are you sure about that statement, Warren? I think I have seen straight-gauge 531 frames (some Schwinn Paramount tandems and the Raleigh Super Course come to mind, and I am still trying to verify whether Mike's and my Capos are db or straight-gauge). The Dawes would make a superb commuter or transportation bike, with good replacement parts availability. Yes, the bracket on the right fork was a very common lamp hanger on old British bikes.

   RE: posted by HiNeighbor! on 10/1/2001 at 9:55:33 PM
I once had a Dawes Galaxy that had straight gage 531 main tubes, simplex prestige derailers, weinmann brakes, GB stem and thoose cool bars with the engraved great britain design on them. The only bad thing was the narrow bottom bracket. I tried to change to a maxy crank and the left cup screwed in so far the lock ring had very little thread to hold onto. It also had thoose neat 1/4 size chrome fenders.

   RE:straight guage posted by Warren on 10/1/2001 at 11:14:00 PM
I stand corrected...I was thinking that 531 was always DB and it was just the stays that were straight. And then I woke up...sorry

Come to think of it, the last Galaxy I picked up (as in "hoisted") in the Goodwill was a bit of a tank...still would have bought it if the tube wasn't dinged.

   RE:RE:straight guage posted by Norman on 10/2/2001 at 3:11:40 AM
I don't think the Galaxy was entry level, most Dawes bikes were High Tensile steel jobs, mass produced for teenagers who were expected to lose interest in 2 years. The Galaxy and Super Galaxy were 531, they were and are quite highly respected touring bikes, I always regarded the Super Galaxy as top of their touring range. Only when they had a racing team would they have offered real racers. I suppose the gas-pipe Dawes models were not exported to the US. I hear that Dawes Cycles, "British" but a subsidiary of Atag Holding of the Netherlands, has just been taken over by one of the Giants in the last few months.

   RE:RE:RE:straight guage posted by Warren on 10/2/2001 at 4:17:55 AM
Crap...I have to retract another post! Well not really...as you say, these gaspipe bikes didn't show up here in Canada as far as I know. The Galaxy was our entry level bike but it was perceived as a cut above. Now don't anyone dare contradict me again or I'm gonna take up stamp collecting. I do have the Man lands on the Moon first edition from '69 if anyone is interested...five colours!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Dawes Galaxy posted by mike slater on 10/2/2001 at 1:30:00 PM
Thanks for all the great responses. After some examination of the bike, here are my thoughts. There is little doubt that this bike was designed as a tourer or commuter - built to take the punishment of everyday use. Thinking along those lines, it wouldn't surprise me if the tubing is straight gage 531. The rest of the bike appears to be built of slightly heavier (beefier) material than my other lightweights. There is ample clearance for large tires, and the rims are silghtly wider than normal. Fit and finish is very good...lots of attention to detail. Apparently, Dawes is still a large bicycle manufacturer with quite a few bikes in different lines!

   Galaxy vs Super Galaxy posted by John E on 10/2/2001 at 2:32:59 PM
Just an off-the-wall thought: ca. 1980, Peugeot denoted its PKN-10 d.b. 531 main triangle frame as "Competition" and its PX-10 full d.b. 531 frame as "Super Competition." It would not surprise me to learn that the Dawes "Super Galaxy" is a full-Reynolds frame.

   RE:Galaxy vs Super Galaxy posted by Norman on 10/2/2001 at 7:23:39 PM
I'm not sure about that stamp Warren mentioned, was it really the moon? ;-) back to tubes and Dawes. I think you'll find that a Reynolds 531 Double butted tubeset only has two tubes double butted; The top tube and down tube. The seat tube is single butted (at the BB only, not at the top as the seatpost needs the support). The other tubes are not butted at all. The Dawes Galaxy is the quintessential UK tourer, beyond the "casual" budget yet not exotic. The tubes are v. good quality, but they expect to carry a load of course, so single butted is possible/reasonable. They used to be quite un-rare here in Scotland, if you know what I mean.

   RE:RE:Galaxy vs Super Galaxy posted by Tom Faust on 10/4/2001 at 1:46:22 AM
I just finished repainting my Dawes Galaxy (two year, here and there project). In the course of it I lost the head badge. Does anyone have one to spare?






AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi posted by: Elvis on 9/29/2001 at 11:15:58 PM
I just got a Bianchi road bike for $14 at a yard sale. The bike is in good shape. It has Universal center pull brakes, Campagnolo downtube shift levers, Campagnolo Valentino Extra rear shifter and Campagnolo front shifter. The cranks are marked "ROADVX" and the chainring is marked "sugino 52 Japan."
My question: Obviously, the bike is worth at least $14. But how can I find out if the parts are original? The "Valantino Extra" rear shifter didn't come out until the late 1960's i believe. I'm justy wondering why the bike doesn't have Campagnolo cranks and chianrings. Could the Japanese ones be an upgrade -- or a replacement? I have heard some old Campagnolog cranks broke, so could that be it? I'm just curious, this is my first Italian road bike. All my other bikes have been Ralieghs and never it as great shape as this one.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi posted by desmo on 9/29/2001 at 11:50:04 PM
The lack of other Campy parts on a 'Valentino Extra' equipped bike of the period was typical. This was Campy's "budget" derailleur set and were often the only Campy parts specced on a bike they were fitted to. Bikes with V-E derailleurs were typically fitted with inexpensive no-name steel cottered cranks and other parts mostly with price in mind.

   Bianchi models posted by John E on 10/1/2001 at 9:45:27 PM
During the 1970s, Bianchi made various grades of steel frames, including: full Columbus SL/SLX, Columbus Tretubi (SL triangle, seamed CrMo stays), Columbus Tenax (seamed CrMo), and plain carbon steel. Many had Campy shifters and derailleurs, but cranks ranged from Campy to Ofmega (sometimes relabeled "Bianchi") to cottered steel. Sugino came out with its 151mm BCD Campy-copy cranks in the late 1960s and had converted to the 144mm BCD by 1970. Sugino cranks would have been a logical replacement for a mid-grade Bianchi, but not original equipment until Bianchi started using Japanese components (and even Japanese frames) in the early 1980s. The Universal center-pulls were common from 1960 through the early 1970s. Your bike is probably not full SL and was probably never full-Campy, but it is a great find anyway.






AGE / VALUE:   Breeze/Speedster match set value posted by: Dave on 9/29/2001 at 9:29:13 PM
Have Mom & Dads matching yellow (3speed) Schwinn Speedster and Schwinn Breeze.
Breeze =>Yellow (Yellow grips, Yellow/white seat,crome fenders) October 1973 Build
Speedster => Yellow ALSO (Black grips, Black seat, crome fenders) April 1974 Build.
Would like to get value and sell as a pair.
Thanks
Dave (Nebraska)


    VALUE:   approx. $0 posted by John E on 9/29/2001 at 10:59:21 PM
Re-post on Schwinn.com's Collector Forum, but you will probably get the same answer. These are extremely plentiful and non-collectible, albeit well-made and durable. You may be able to get about $40 or 50 for the pair, but only if the tyres, brake pads, bearing grease, and other perishable components are in extremely good condition. It's too bad the market value is so low, since these can be decent transportation or recreation machines.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Breeze/Speedster match set value posted by Dave on 9/30/2001 at 12:29:50 AM
Not the answer I was hoping for but thanks for the quick reply, won't spend much time getting rid of them then.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Breeze/Speedster match set value posted by jonathan on 9/30/2001 at 11:01:34 AM
Their stock has reached the lower limit, which means that they can only go up in value, IMHO. I have a '63 Speedster (type)
3 speed that rides solid, Except for the rear wheel which appears like it was rub without a tire for some distance. It was $25! When one considers just the physical resources that are used to make that bike, it is amazing that they are soooo low in price.
Even though it's "pre-bike boom" indicating it's been ridden more than a 100 miles; there is probably 3/4 of its service life remaining. Compared to the junk bikes coming up for "entry-level" market, it's a welcome sight to see on the road.
A guy passed me coming the other way on a $2000 MTB and he wasn't smiling. If I had paid $2000 for a bike like that, I wouldn't be smiling much either. Hang on to it; they won't make bikes like that anymore.
That ought to tell you something about its value.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Breeze/Speedster match set value posted by Wings on 10/1/2001 at 6:49:32 AM
For some strange reason I like the Breeze! When it is painted and clean -- Wow! I don't know why! They are cheap. I doubt if they will ever be worth anything. The Speedster does sell for a rather good price (Still rather low) at times on Ebay. Do an Ebay Search to get an idea of the value. The Breeze frame was used on a lot of Schwinns.

   Breeze/Speedster posted by John E on 10/1/2001 at 9:50:46 PM
Old Schwinns have incredibly durable frames, chrome, and paint. They ride very smoothly and clean up suprising well. One day, their market price may rise to match their intrinsic value; in the meantime, if possible, one should hold (and enjoy) or buy, rather than sell.






FOR SALE:   NOS Vintage Wingnuts(quick release) posted by: Jim on 9/29/2001 at 11:46:51 AM
Most of these are NOS some are not. All of the Ajax are alloy and rears. There is a set of Hurets and some Sova. $35 shipped for the lot Check them out at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/wing







FOR SALE:   NOS Weinmann 600 Brake set in box posted by: Jim on 9/29/2001 at 11:46:51 AM
Nos Weinmann 600 brake set in box. This is a rear and the only one that I have. $24 shipped


   RE:FOR SALE:   NOS Weinmann 600 Brake set in box posted by Jim on 9/29/2001 at 11:55:04 AM
Check them out at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/600






FOR SALE:   NOS Campy Cable Guides and cable clamps posted by: Jim on 9/29/2001 at 11:46:51 AM
Nos Campy cable guides and cable clamps. Sorry no bolts. $18 shipped.


   RE:FOR SALE:   NOS Campy Cable Guides and cable clamps posted by Jim on 9/29/2001 at 11:56:01 AM
Check them out at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/campy






FOR SALE:   NOS Mafac brakes, Levers, and hoods posted by: Jim on 9/29/2001 at 11:43:20 AM
Nice set of NOS vintage Mafac Racer brakes. These are missing the front bolt. Great addition to you favorite vintage bike. $40 shipped Check them out at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mafac







AGE / VALUE:   Dumpster rescue -Schwinn, Collegiate and Travler posted by: Paul on 9/16/2001 at 12:35:06 AM
I recently saved two Schwinns from a dumpster. One is a green Collegiate and the other an orange Travler. This is my first experience with bicycles like these. Where do I start... where are the cerial numbers located?
Thanks for any help you can give,
Paul


   Schwinn, Collegiate and Travler posted by John E on 9/29/2001 at 3:16:13 AM
S/Ns are on the left rear dropout, on the BB shell, or at the base of the head tube.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dumpster rescue -Schwinn, Collegiate and Travler posted by jonathan on 9/30/2001 at 11:18:50 AM
My brother picked up a Traveler for $20; which serial number coded out to be a Giant made bike.
The "G" stands for Giant Bicycle Co. and the last 2 digits indicate the production year. If it was before
the year 1982, you have to check the Schwinn tables, I think. (check here). The bike is a 4130 main with Shimano
cranks and derailer; alloy wheels. The derailers are "acera" ?? They are v. good quality components.
Don't know about the "Collegiate"; the name sounds like it might be of the "beater" quality genre.
I'd keep the Traveler...I'm trying to horse-trade my brother for his Traveler.






AGE / VALUE:   colnago with campy brakes that dont fit posted by: mike on 9/15/2001 at 10:34:00 PM
hi group

Im swapping parts off one colnago super to a colnago thats a few years newer. (dont know the model or vintage)
The super has a flat fork crown while the later one has a crown that is sloping.

The two forks have the brake mounting holes located in a slightly different spot. From the flat spot where the fork crown race sits to the hole on the super is .337" the other one measures out to .304"

The fork with the sloping crown doesnt allow the campy sr front brake to sit flat on the fork, the brake is blocked by the fork crown race. It seems like there should be a spacer that allows the brake to sit out away from the frame.

Anyone have a Colnago or know how this is supposed to be set up?

Thanks
Mike


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   colnago with campy brakes that dont fit posted by Ben on 10/4/2001 at 4:16:43 AM
Does the toothed washer behind the brake fit? If so, get another one of these and add it behind the front brake.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Something I don't know? posted by: Walter on 9/15/2001 at 6:46:17 PM
There's some guy on eBay selling a "good" Varsity and a similarly described ladies Raleigh 3 spd. No pictures and minimal description. Starting bid in each case: $1000! Schwinns and Roadsters are not my cup of tea but maybe they should be!

No bids and if any materialise I have some real estate opportunities for the bidders.

I didn't bother to copy the #s as there is nothing to see except that opening bid amount.


   Something I don't know? posted by John E on 9/15/2001 at 7:44:13 PM
I have no idea what this clown is thinking. He will receive no bids at these prices, but will have to pay eBay a commission or fee, anyway. The record-high price for any Varsinental was $832 for a very clean, all-original 1960 Conti. Bike boom Varsities, such as the one currently on eBay, typically sell for less than $100 on eBay, and less than $50 at yard sales.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Something I don't know? posted by Walter on 9/15/2001 at 8:20:47 PM
EBay# 1004825554 is a '65 Varsity for something like $110 and no bids. I like that bike, though I won't bid. I'm not sure if I've seen a real good picture of an early Varsity before. For some reason I like its lines more than the 70s versions I'm familiar with. The d/t shifters help. Was the geometry different on the early bikes? The Huret derailleurs look nicer even if they don't function better than those blocky chrome things Schwinn used later.

Re: The seller that started this thread. He's paying eBay for listing $2000 worth of auctions with, I'm pretty sure, no hope of a return on that fee. Oh well






AGE / VALUE:   BRAZING ON A 4130 FRAME posted by: Kevin K on 9/14/2001 at 6:15:38 PM
Hi. Well, I've decided to attempt to braze some nice forged dropouts on to an old 4130 frame I've got in place of the original stamped steel dropouts.All this stuff is of no real value, so if I goof, no loss. However, if I'm sucessful I just may end up with a nice frame. ( It's original color is black, so having some paint/touch up work done would not be expensive. I need advice on the type of brazing rod to purchase. I've done automotive sheetmetal previously, so I know about heat/warping. Is a special low temp rod needed, or just a good old fashioned brazing rod and a quick touch. Thanks. Kevin


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BRAZING ON A 4130 FRAME posted by jonathan on 9/30/2001 at 11:29:59 AM
Before the crash, I read a messgae from "Steve", here, who had some technical specs. for the rods to use. He saod something about brass rods and 1580-1700 F for large gaps. I think my brother got more info than I remember. I could check. He's into the base-medium.
It gets technical real fast. My brazes are pretty sick looking, but seem to hold.
I think a silver alloy is used for lesser gaps...lower temp.
Do you want me to check?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BRAZING ON A 4130 FRAME posted by Steve on 10/1/2001 at 5:29:32 PM
Looks like my first post was lost so here's the info again;
For brazing any part of a steel frame you can use brass rod,
AWS BCuZn-F is common and has a brazing range of 1580-1700 F.
For joints that don't require the filler metal to bridge beyond about .010" you can use a silver alloy.
AWS BAg 4,5,6 and 7 are common. BAg7 has the highest silver
content and the lowest brazing range at 1205-1400 F.
AWS type 3 flux works for all the above alloys.
As I said before, start with CLEAN bright metal, spread the flux well beyond the areas to be heated and use the minimum amount of heat. I like to work with a slightly rich (carburizing) flame.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Speaking of fun kids' bikes posted by: Keith on 9/14/2001 at 9:18:37 AM
Nice bike for a kid: Frejus track w/24" wheels: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1004363854







AGE / VALUE:   schwinn TT posted by: rickey on 9/14/2001 at 8:08:38 AM
it's a schwinn TimeTriles Prolouge with suntoure sprint 9000 comp.it has a 11 18 cog & #258 stamped in the crank tube can you date this & ball park price please thank you







AGE / VALUE:   schwinn TT posted by: rickey on 9/14/2001 at 8:08:38 AM
it's a schwinn TimeTriles Prolouge with suntoure sprint 9000 comp.it has a 11 18 cog & #258 stamped in the crank tube can you date this & ball park price please thank you







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1970? World Voyageur "Schwinn" posted by: Greg Pschaida Ebays~ "Simplydeluxe" on 9/13/2001 at 9:56:47 PM
I have just come into the possession of a Made in Japan for Schwinn Chicago "World Voyageur" This bike comes with a non-descript 4130 butted frame, Painted in that all too familiar Schwinn Orange Crate Orange. Chrome front Head tube frame lugs, Half Chrome fork ends and stays. Suntour drop outs...No micro adj screw. Campy Nuovo record front and rear deraileurs. Mafac Racer Brakes & Levers...Any one out there got a spare lever for sale?. Nuovo Record Crankset. Suntour "Scwinn Approved" Barcon Shifters. I think that's what's original...Unoriginal equipment includes wheels built with Normandy Hubs and Mavic 700c Rims with thumbscrews instead of QR levers. Rear hub has a fixed gear opposite the freewheel. Wheel base is fairly long for touring applications, but wheelbase is probably average for this vintage. Size is just under 23" Weight is probably about 24 LBS.

Anyone got any ideas as to what the original equipment was? When in 70's this was produced...? Is it rare or common?

The bike shop owner claimed it was sort of a Japanese Paramount...Yeah Right!? I would guess this may have come originally with sew ups...Or maybe even 27 inch rims. Richard Schwinn told me that Schwinn Bicycle Company never had any dealings with Mavic, that's totally correct, as I don't believe 700C was available at the time it was manufactured.


   RE: World Voyageur posted by Eric Amlie on 9/14/2001 at 6:00:11 AM
The World Voyageur and it's lesser sibling the World Traveler were made for Schwinn by Panasonic in 1973. In 1974 it became the Schwinn Voyageur II. A nice bike but not on the level of the Paramount. Here is some info on it courtesy of Bob Hufford. You can click on the photos to expand them and then click on the "Big" link to expand them further. Hope this helps.

http://www.geocities.com/sldbdealer/1973/73dlsbv1.html

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1970? World Voyageur posted by Keith on 9/14/2001 at 8:15:01 AM
You're absolutely right -- I'm 100% certain that the Voyager was NEVER spec'd with Campy Nouvo Record. Never ever ever. It's just not that level of quality. You're also correct, Suntour barcons were original specs for 1st Voyagers, and should have been accompanied by Schwinn-stamped Suntour derailleurs. The Mafacs aren't original either. You've got a mongrel. If the NR parts are in great shape, I'd take them off and save them to hang on a correct vintage frame made with full 531 db or Columbus tubing. The 2nd level Scwhinn bike you referred to does exist -- I can't remember the name but it came up about a year ago when one showed up on eBay -- it was Japanese Schwinn, closely resembling the Voyager, and was spec'd with first series friction Dura Ace. Archives should have it.