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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







AGE / VALUE:   raleigh and fuji posted by: george on 9/5/2001 at 6:55:58 PM
I am new to bicycling. I recently picked up two affordable road bikes that I know very little about. The first is a Raleigh Record 10-speed with a very tall frame. It is silver in color with a royal blue head and cables. It is made in Tawaiin and it has a sticker that says Reynolds 502 tubing. I had the serial number written down but I lost it. All components are aluminum and marked Raleigh except the deraillers are marked suntour. The badge has the Raleigh logo and says Raleigh Cycling of America. It appears to be late 80's or early 90's. I've had an old '76 Record and it looks much more modern than that. I can't find any info, I really like the bike and I find it very comfortable to ride. I got it cheap and I'm just curious. I was also given a tall Fuji Gran Tourer 12-speed with Suntour deraillers, looks to be mid to late 80's, silver in color. Curious about the worth or value of both and if they were or are good bikes. I've enjoyed riding them both either way just wondering







AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Prima info please posted by: Robert on 9/5/2001 at 11:48:41 AM
I am wondering about the Bianchi Pri that I bought last week. Where dies it fall in the Bianchi stable. Is it low, mid range? I believe it is a 70's model because of the 5 speed freewheel. Rims have grooves machined into the braking surface. Sachs derailleurs.

Thanks
Robert


   steel rims = low-end posted by John E on 9/5/2001 at 3:32:12 PM
I presume the rims are steel, since I have never seen aluminum rims with much texturing of the braking surface. Are there are any stickers indicating frame tube pedigree? What is the crankset? You are right about the freewheel -- by 1980, 6-speeds were almost universal (except Varsinentals). By the way, low-end Bianchis can be surprisingly good.

   RE:steel rims = low-end posted by Robert on 9/6/2001 at 7:39:31 PM
Here are some more details. Rims are alloy Benelux Ambrosia. There are grooves machined into the braking surface. By grooves I mean these groves run the circumferance of the rim. Not just across the braking surface. Frame tubing is Bianchi 1-20. As best as i can make out the cranks are marked OfMEGA . Brake calipers are Universal brand. Hope this sheds some light.
Thanks
Robert

   Ofmega posted by John E on 9/7/2001 at 6:33:20 AM
"1-20" sounds like "1020," i.e., basic carbon steel. Ofmega was (is?) a respected Italian component manufacturer, whose top-end products rival (and resemble) Campy. Most Bianchi-labeled cranks are actually Ofmegas. Before Campy broke into the brake business in the late 1960s, Universal was THE preferred Italian brand of brakes -- in 1962, the bottom-of-the-line Bianchi Corsa had steel Universal sidepulls, and the top-of-the-line Specialissima had aluminum Universal centerpulls.

Are the rims aluminum or steel? How about the cranks and the brake calipers?

   RE:Ofmega posted by Robert on 9/7/2001 at 6:53:31 AM
Rims, calipers and cranks are all aluminum. Hubs are low flange steel.

Are the Sachs derailleurs good ? I could change out with some Suntour that I have but original would be nice.

   components posted by John E on 9/7/2001 at 10:55:04 AM
The low-flange steel hubs are beneath the dignity of the frame and the other components. Being very strongly biased in favor of SunTour, I would definitely make the derailleur substitution, saving the old ones, of course, for future restoration or resale.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Help Identifying Bicycle posted by: Kenny Hydock on 9/4/2001 at 4:39:33 PM
I have a Czechoslovakian made Favorit that I just purchased. I do not know a whole lot about it and wonder if anyone has info regarding it. I have made several search-engine inquiries with little to no results. A description of the bike is as follows:
5-speed racer style, aluminum rims, Favorit side-pull brakes, Velo rear hub, hard leather seat, aluminum fenders front and back, Favorit derailer, 28 inch tires.

I would like to know any info on manufacturer, age, value, and any other info that might help me in my quest for information. Please e-mail me directly if possible.

Thanks - Kenny


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Help Identifying Bicycle posted by Paul Aslanides on 9/7/2001 at 4:56:49 AM
Kenny: This, to me, is an interesting machine. Probably also
a bit rare. Most likely made by the C.Z. factory, or one of their large group of factories. Big armanents works. All I can suggest is that you find a contact in Czecho/Slovakia (the country has split into two regions) and keep asking until you find an authority on your bike. Their is a CZ/Jawa
motorcycle list which may get you started. Also, find a museum there, say in Prague (Praha). Good luck, let me know
when you have some success. I'd love to have a unique
European bike like yours. Any chance you can post a picture or two. Cheers.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Help Identifying Bicycle posted by Gary M on 9/8/2001 at 11:50:13 AM
I sold a very nice cranberry colored Favorit 10 sp this summer for $150. had aluminum sewn ups on high flange aluminum hubs. very cool machine. hope you enjoy yours






WANTED:   WTB: small road bike posted by: Keith on 9/4/2001 at 6:28:23 AM
My 10-year old son wants to start riding more, and wants a road bike with index shifting. Okay by me son!!!! Anyway, I'm therefore seeking a 44-48cm entry level road bike with index shifting. Must be in excellent condition. Price wouyld depend on year, brand, model and components. Thanks for helping a young guy get started! Contact velohund@yahoo.com


   RE:WANTED:   WTB: small road bike posted by Brewboy on 9/4/2001 at 1:23:28 PM
If you are interested in a new bike, Trek is making a entry level road bike for kids. Check it out at there website:
www.trekbikes.com

   RE:WANTED:   WTB: small road bike posted by Keith on 9/5/2001 at 12:24:41 PM
In addition to used, I'm considering the Fuji Ace, sold by Sheldon's Harris Cyclery. It's avalaible in a 43cm 650c wheel version, which may be too small for my son. It's also available with 700c wheels in sizes 49cm and up. Tigged chromoly, Shimano Sora triple, $499. Any thoughts?

   RE:WANTED:   WTB: small road bike posted by Walter on 9/6/2001 at 6:02:17 PM
500$? Not bad. Especially if you want to start your kid off on a brand new bike. I haven't heard raves about Sora but I haven't heard that it's god-awful either. Probably hard to find much of a selection in used bikes that size.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   WTB: small road bike posted by Phil on 9/7/2001 at 5:13:49 AM
$500 for a bicycle for a 10 year old?
What's the matter with a good used bike?
Index shifting can be found on many 'yard sale' bikes or bikes in your local paper.

   another option posted by John E on 9/7/2001 at 11:06:07 AM
I played this scenario very cheaply (my sons are now 12 and 17). At about age 10, each got a garage-sale $30ish 24" aluminum-rimmed 18-speed mountain bike. Three years later, son #1 moved up to a garage sale adult-sized Specialized HardRock mountain bike, whereas son #2 has my garage sale Ross mountain bike and a freebie Shogun road bike waiting for him to grow a bit more. A 10-year-old does not need index shifting, and he certainly does not need a $500 bicycle.

   RE:another option posted by Mike Slater on 9/7/2001 at 12:47:23 PM
I agree John!! In fact, most adults, myself included, do not need $500 bikes. The high cost of the newer bikes is what led me into the vintage stuff. Most of the benefits at a fraction of the cost!

   RE:WANTED:   WTB: small road bike posted by Walter on 9/7/2001 at 6:38:45 PM
I'll defend my advice to Keith by stating that the supply of roadbikes in that size is not plentiful new and less so used. Will a 10 year old ride a friction shifter? We do b/c that's what we grew up with and for the most part it's second nature. A 10 year old doesn't have that frame of reference and all of his friend's bikes "click" shift even if they're department store issue. Since Keith raised the new bikes for discussion I presume he's willing to spend the money. Is it well spent? Not on me when I was 10 but I don't know Keith's son. The sad truth is if you're buying new any roadbike under 500$ is worthless.

Having said all that I'd spend some time on eBay, etc looking for a used Terry which won't be cheap but will be less than $500.

   Trek KDR 1000 posted by Walter on 9/7/2001 at 7:13:02 PM
Took Brewboy's advice and looked at the Trek site. It's a new for 2002 model and sports a paint job just a bit similar to the US Postal colors. No surprise that :)

It has 650C wheels and a triple set-up with Sora. Didn't list a frame size, only said 'Kid's size." No mention of MSRP either. Aluminum frame and I'd guess in the shops about the same as the Fuji. It's your call Keith if your 10 year old is ready for such an investment. You and your wife are the only ones who can make that call, really.

Whether the kids who fit such bikes are ready for such bikes is a good question. However, I'm glad that Trek and apparently Fuji are making an effort to get kids on roadbikes. When I was growing up the "10 Speed", often a Schwinn, was almost like a sign of adolescence. In fact the ads in Boy's Life mag. presented them as just that. That's gone now and I'd like to see it come back. I've always maintained the roadie is the superior machine. I've always viewed mtn bikes as "aesthetically challenged" and the new ones whether hideously expensive or Wal-Mart knock offs are just plain butt-ugly. IMHO of course.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Stuff posted by: Brian L. on 9/3/2001 at 10:33:51 AM
For sale or trade: Just picked up most of a chromoly, brazed Schwinn Sports Tourer in emerald green. Overall 7.5 out of 10. Some chips, some pitting in the chrome, some decal loss, but would clean up nicely. Includes Schwinn approved Huret front changer, complete bars/stem/levers with perfect matching vinyl tape, spare set of approved levers, seat post and binder with approved quilted style seat and approved, Japanese Weinman copy calipers. No wheels or rear changer, but (1) approved rear QR. Approx 56c or 22". Will include decent Le Tour Tourist frame/fork/headset.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Stuff posted by Brian L. on 9/3/2001 at 7:18:15 PM
Forgot to post: Also includes correct Nervar crank and rings - no pedals.






WANTED:   Dawes Head Badge posted by: Tom Faust on 9/3/2001 at 4:45:28 AM
During the course of a long restoration, I lost the head badge for my '72 Dawes Galaxy. Does anyone have one?







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Velo Rendezvous Event posted by: Chuck Schmidt on 9/3/2001 at 1:25:33 AM
Partial list (updated 9/2/01) of bikes promised for Velo Rendezvous event Oct. 6 & 7 in Pasadena, California:

Jean Aerts early '50s w/Simplex TdF * Bobby Kemp's Allegro Special Track * Baylis '89 Track * Baylis '90 Track * Baylis '90 Areo Track Persuit * Baylis '92 Areo Track * Baylis/Tesch '93 S-22 Track (one of a kind) * Baylis '93 Road (650c wheels) * Baylis '94 Track (650c wheels) * Baylis '00 Road Fixed * Baylis '01 "Double Vibrant Hellenic" Road * Benotto '40s w/Cambio Corsa * Bianchi '39 w/Vittoria Margherita * Bianchi '49 Folgorissima w/Paris-Roubaix * Bianchi '51 Paris-Roubaix * Bianchi '54 Campione del Mondo * Bianchi '56 Reparto Corse * Bianchi '64 Team Issue * Bianchi '64 Specialissima * Bianchi '66 Specialissima * Bianchi '79 Superleggera w/panto'd parts * Bianchi '81 Super Leggera * Bianchi '83 Centenario Bianchi '86 Colo. Worlds Team * Cinelli '58 Mod. B * Cinelli '60 SC w/bivalent * Cinelli '65 SC w/bivalent * Cinelli '73 Mod. B * Colnago '72 Super * Colnago '79 Super w/Mexico crank * Confente '78 Strada #67 * Confente ?(last one built by Mario) * Umberto Dei '36 w/Vittoria Margherita * Drysdale '51 Tourer * Duquesne 1897 * Fuji early model Pro * Fuji '77 Newest * Gillott '54 Path * Gillott '54 w/Gran Sport * Gillott '55 Path * Gitane '70s Pro * Rene Herse '51 Ladies frame * Rene Herse '60 Pista w/internal headset bearings * Hetchins '55 Track Experto Creed * Hetchins '68 Mixtie * Hetchins '69 Hellenic w/ Spider lugs * Hetchins '72 Magnum Opus * Hetchins '72 Scorpion Bonham Spider, vibrant * Hetchins '90 Magnum Opus Track, vibrant * Hetchins '95 Magnum Opus Tandem, vibrant * Hetchins '00 Millinium, vibrant * Hetchins Millennium * Hetchins Tandem * Johnson '76 Track * Legnano '43 Roma w/Cambio Corsa * Legnano '48 w/Paris-Roubaix * Lejeune '71 NOS * Masi '60s Special w/Nervex * Masi '62 Special * Masi '69 Special * Masi '69 Special Track * Masi '70 Gran Criterium * Masi '71 Gran Criterium * Masi '84 3V Volumetrica w/50th Anni * Motobecane early 70s Champion Team * Paris Sport '79 Ceuvas built * La Perle '52 Hugo Koblet team bike model * Pedersen 1900s Replica Tandem (only one in US) * Peugeot '78 PY10CP Team * Peugeot '80 Pro 10 Team * Richard Sachs '84 * Salsa/Baylis '89 Tandem * Schwinn '72 Paramount * Alex Singer * Wizard (Baylis) '74 #16 w/250 holes in lugs * Wizard (Baylis) '75

To be updated as entrants tell me what they are bringing...
Event details at http://www.velo-retro.com







FOR SALE:   Royce Union "Starliner" posted by: Norm Kempel on 9/2/2001 at 1:31:19 PM
Looking for information - can't find listed anywhere - 26" womans bike - made in Holland - maybe for Sears - at least 50 yrs old - serial GB4379 -pls respond via e/mail







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   identification posted by: chris andrews on 9/2/2001 at 7:41:31 AM
Sorry, John E., my last input should have directed thanks to you re dropout spacing.







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   identification posted by: chris andrews on 9/2/2001 at 5:56:33 AM
Brian, thanks for the dropout spacing idea; will check this. LP is linear polyurethane, a two-part paint now used for most car and bike repaintings. The result is a very hard finish that resists scratching. DuPont "Imron" is one brand. I used it on a sailboat around 1980 and it was great until a storm caused an extended argument between boat and dock. The edges where the paint was missing would not sand to a feather, so I had to fill the gaps before repainting. I don't know whether new high end bikes are painted w/ LP or not. Mercian in England gives you a choice of LP or baked enamel, their web says. Maybe a repaint explains the lack of maker's decals on my mystery bike. Could the G be for Gitane?


   Imron posted by John E on 9/2/2001 at 4:06:16 PM
I am not a paint expert, but my 1988 Schwinn mountain bike's red-white-and-blue tricolor finish is either Imron or a very hard enamel. It is thick and rugged and it tends to chip when abused, in contrast to the thinner, scratch-prone finishes on my 1982 Bianchi and my 1980 Peugeot.

   RE:Imron posted by Wings on 9/2/2001 at 10:36:29 PM
I have painted bikes with Imron. Very hard. Very durable. Dry in minutes and should not be worked on for 3 days after painting. During that three day time it is possible to put a dent in the finish (I have done it.). It is a catalyst paint which you mix and have about 30 minutes to use. A High Volume Low pressure sprayer is best. Imron is bad stuff to breath but the odor is not bad to smell. Some of the primers to use with it have a very short pot life and smell horrible. Special breathing equipment should be used. Imron can be purchased at many Auto Paint stores. It dries so fast I have never had a run. Looks great!






AGE / VALUE:   I don't get it. posted by: jonathan on 9/1/2001 at 11:04:11 PM
To spice up a garage sale, I have fixed up a sharp vintage Peugeot
men's 10 speed which is nothing fancy...just a real sound
bike. The Sachs-Huret rear derailer was replaced with a hardly
used SunTour Cyclone. Shifts great! New chain ($15 type); 2 new
tires and tubes (100 psi/prestas); new brake pads; replaced seat with
a near new Avocet and a Rhode Gear handlebar pack (new). I touched up the paint
that had worn off. Polished the frame. It looks great and rides superbly for
everyday cruising. I think I'd be hard pressed to get
$75 for it, yet people will pay $250 for an "entry level" (junk)
bike that doesn't have nearly the quality of ride nor durability of this
30 year old Peugeot. I must not be getting it. What do you think?
Ride good, Jonathan


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I don't get it. posted by Walter on 9/2/2001 at 5:30:06 AM
A couple of things come to mind. Many people always associate new with better. Roadbikes aren't as popular as other styles of bikes either in general. The other thing is that most people cruising yard sales are looking for the 10$ (or less) steal not a "solid buy" at 75$ or more. I mean how many posts here on this forum have ended with "found at garage sale for 10$;" or at least something to that effect?

   Hard reality posted by jonathan on 9/2/2001 at 11:10:23 AM
I was dreaming. Yes, the $10 wonders are what is sought
at G sales. My brother just bought a new MTB for about $300.
We ride together almost every evening with me on my Schwinn
World (Giant; 1984) and he on his new MTB (Giant; 2001). I never cease
wondewing how much he has to peddle to keep pace; constant
whirring and "wow, wow" of tires; whilst I just lope along.
True, we're not offroad, but most riders are on blacktop most of the time.
Also, his brakes are too good! I have to lean back when braking hard
on his new bike. So the other part of my question remains.
These vintage RB's are marvelously built. Even if I had the money to throw around,
I'd still choose a vintage RB (easily under $100 for primo
condition).
Thanks for the reality check. I'll try the local paper
want ads.

   vintage road bikes posted by John E on 9/2/2001 at 4:01:08 PM
As forum regulars know, I am delighted with my 20-to-40-year-old road bikes and my 1988 mountain bike and have no desire to update anything. However, bear in mind that one solid attraction of old noncollectible road bikes is that you can generally buy one for very little money. Would I pay $75 for an old Peugeot U0-8? If I urgently needed a decent bicycle immediately, yes. If I had time to shop around and look for a better deal, no.

   The value question persists posted by jonathan on 9/2/2001 at 9:46:51 PM
Any bikes that I've picked up cheap need at least 2 hours of
work plus a minimum of new tires; tubes; brake pads; handlebar tape;
new seat; chain and often a new freewheel. So for under $100
you get a good bike going. Now, compare that to a new bike price.
I don't see why there aren't more "retro" bikes on the road.

   RE:The value question persists posted by Wings on 9/2/2001 at 10:52:18 PM
What I see in Thrift Stores Now:
Old mountain bikes are very cheap now when two years ago they were very expensive. Cruiser prices are very low -- lower than last year. The new Huffy Cruisers and Mountain bikes are often as low as $89 at K-Mart.
Ten (or 12) Speeds two years ago sold for $7 while Mountain Bikes were hot and would sell over $100.
I am now seeing an appreciation for the older well built Lightweights that are in good shape and they are selling for $89 to $119 in my area -- in thrift stores. Bikes like Motobecane, Raleigh, Nishiki, Centurion ( a favorite with the locals). I think I am seeing a demand for these bikes because K-Mart does not sell ten speeds and many of the local bike commuters prefer the old quality ten speed and they are willing to pay more for a bike in good shape with 27 x 1.25 tires than a new K-Mart Mountain Bike. That is what I have noticed this summer. The locals here need those bikes for transportation purposes.

   good old 10-speeds posted by John E on 9/3/2001 at 12:06:18 PM
Maybe the recent rise in the prices of used 10-speeds will spare some of them from an undeserved early demise in the landfill. Of all the bicycles I have ever owned and ridden, my overall favourites have drop bars, good alloy frames with somewhat relaxed geometries, 27 x 1-1/8 or 700C x 28 tyres, Brooks or anatomical saddles, etc. In today's market, one has to part with at least $1000 to buy a new bicycle of this type (e.g. Bianchi Eros).






AGE / VALUE:   Information on 60's Tigre posted by: Peter Naiman on 9/1/2001 at 11:22:45 PM
I have a 26" wheel Tigre vintage lightweight, does anybody have any information on Tigre. What country of origin etc.







MISC:   Ladies western flyer posted by: Dan Lahmann on 9/1/2001 at 7:20:03 PM
Need information on ladies western flyer??
Western flyer badge on fork tube,(Made in england)decal on tube from fork downward.Wayfarer flyer on chain guard,seat made by (Wrights)england,stamped number at top of seat tube#62770D,(Genuine english lightweight)decal onseat tube,(Western flyer)emblem on seat tube,Decal with letters and numbers on seat tube(RIA-2891-B).
Tires--26x1 3/8 made by Bates Dunlop.
Wheels--Dunlop EA-3.
Number stamped on bottom of pedal crank housing(C131336).
Round small reflector on rear fender,small piece of chrome on tip of front fender,has center ridge on fenders.

Sorry I'm not good at describing this,but it's the best way I know how,any help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks,Dan.







AGE / VALUE:   Find the old timers and lets really jam here! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/1/2001 at 11:21:06 AM
We need to find the old timers, the old school, bike business people and get them to contribute to the pages here at Old Roads.com. I asked a guy I know some questions nobody else could answer( Not in my area anyway) and he was spouting off names, history, and facts. I sat there scribbling and double checking spellings and he gave me so many leads! I am trying to follow him and understand what all he was saying to me. He's a busy fellow for his age and today is a work day for him, so I cannot keep him talking long. I thought "My goodness, if only we had him contributing here!" Im gonna tell him about Old Roads and see if he'll roost here and field questions when he can. I'm not even sure if he uses the computer. Plus, not many folks in the business mess with it in their spare time, they have enough of it at work. A older tour guide is far better than a young one in my book( even if the young person is sincere.) The older folks speak from experience because they were there and they saw it. A younger person just repeats what they have heard.Unfortunitly nobody lives forever, and one day this wonderful, decent, knowledgeable gentleman won't be there for me to ask questions of. We have many sharp, experienced, dedicated folks contributing here and on other sites too. However, I see a lot of unanswered questions and juvinile, idiotic chatter that brings down the whole page (on some other sites.) There are still many older folks that for whatever reason, won't contribute here or they don't know about OldRoads.com. They are fading away and taking their experiences full of interesting history and information with them.Please tell the people you may know of that are like this about this web page or other web pages and try to light a fire of interest in them. Lets promote, preserve and unlock the secrets of Vintage bicycling/ bicycle collecting for ourselves and for future generations. There are incredible, "can't- put- it- down" books yet to be written! Find these folks, bring them to the computer, sit them down and ask them to teach. It's like looking for the bikes themselves and just as rewarding.Myself, Im driven by the interest, wanting to learn the history, plain noseyness and some measure of make a buck. I don't want to see these things die, quite the contrary.







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   identification posted by: Chris Andrews on 9/1/2001 at 6:05:51 AM
I bought an old frameset: buried rear brake cable, Modolo Racer sidepulls, silver-grey finish appears to be LP, as one chip reveals thick, non-feathering coating over a white undercoat; Sachs/Huret changers, and friction shifters on downtube braze-on; prugnat style lugs are fairly short. Only decals are a large yellow G on thr head tube and Fabricassion Francaise on forward part of the top tube. There are water bottle braze ons for one bottle. Dropouts are forged. A steel shift cable guide fastened under the BB is syamped Vitus. The ovel blade fork has a sloping crown and a graceful curve to the lower third, and is fully chromed. The double crankset is an alloy Nervar "Z" with a very broad arm section. Cable housings are yellow. Stem and dropped bars are unmarked, and stem was very tight in the steering tube. Stem was similar to SR type with about a 3.5-inch extension, and used Allen type screws. Can anybody identify type and model, and explain the lack of maker's decals? There were no wheels, but fork accepts a 27-inch.


   BB threading? posted by John E on 9/1/2001 at 4:26:18 PM
Interesting ... Nice bike, whatever it is! Most French framebuilders changed over from French (clockwise fixed cup) to Swiss (anticlockwise fixed cup) BB threading in the late 1970s, so be careful when you try to remove it, as it could go either way, so to speak. I believe under-the-BB shift cable threading became popular starting in the late 1970s, as well, as a cost-saving move. If the rear dropouts are spread 126mm, instead of 120mm, that also points to very late 1970s or early 1980s. Can you tell whether the paint is original?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   identification posted by Brian L. on 9/1/2001 at 10:45:29 PM
What's LP?