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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh International posted by: Russ on 12/20/2002 at 1:56:29 AM
Anyone know how many units were produced each year of the Raleigh International, my '71 has a three number serial #. I also was wondering about the 'Aniversary' headbadge, was it only used in '71?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Raleigh International posted by Richard J on 12/20/2002 at 6:30:26 AM
I've wondered about the vintage of that headbadge as well. Rather colorful (red, green, blue and black enamel), and it reads "Raleigh" instead of "The Raleigh". Hope someone (Christopher Robin, perhaps?) will be able to date this headbadge for us.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh International posted by Steve Kurt on 12/21/2002 at 8:45:11 PM
for what it's worth, my brown '71 International has "F1452" as its serial number. They must have made quite a few.

The anniversary headbadge has mystified me too. Behind the heron crest are the World Champion colors, as well as a torch. Did a rider or riders win at the Worlds in the previous year(s)?

regards,
Steve Kurt
(owner of a '74 International too!)






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Austro-Daimler posted by: Rob on 12/19/2002 at 8:10:43 PM
I stopped by one of my favorite old bike shops in Victoria (Vancouver Is.)on Tuesday, as I often do when I'm in that city...my 'buddy' there, usually has a few old bikes and other vintage bits and pieces. Anyway...something in his 'recycle pile' instantly caught my eye. There in the pile was an Austro-Daimler (frame and forks only...head set complete and fixed BB cup)...nothing else...the frame was quite scratched...the model name not readily discernible, but I did notice the just barely readable Reynolds 531 decal...I knew I was on to something. The owner, though starting have second thoughts, said to take it. He's seems to be more interested in MTB's...where the money is I guess.

I still wasn't totally sure what I had, but the price...$0...was right!! The next evening, at home, I carefully went over the whole bike with a magnifying glass and 10x loup. To make a long story, a bit shorter...it's an Austro-Daimler SLE with 531 butted frame tubes...better than I expected, but not as good as it could have been!!!

Quite a little prize nevertheless, though quite scratched and marked up...initially the tubes all appear straight...two minor little dents on the top tube near the middle. I was also able to make out the details on the very faint bicycle shop sticker...the bike was bouaght in California. I wonder how the bike got to Victoria...bought by a local resident; "lost" on a Californian's trip to BC?

The moral of the story...'Always keep your eyes open...you just never know when things will show up'...and the good news...this frame, destined to be melted down, has had a last minute reprive and will be rebuilt. And by the look of it, will likely have a good many more years of life...either used by me or by a some other 'suitable' owner.

Now I have to get some info on the original set up...I have some suitable better parts, but would like to get a good idea of what it originally had. Does anyone what to give me some ideas?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Austro-Daimler posted by Dave on 12/20/2002 at 5:25:09 PM
Rob, The A-D bikes I've seen had German/Swiss wheel parts(rims,hubs) like Altenburger/Weinneman and usually Simplex Deraillers.A woman friend in my Bike Club has a Puch(also German bike Company), but it was made in Japan,w/Asian components.Classicrendezvous.com has a section under Germany,featuring A-D.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Austro-Daimler posted by Keith on 12/20/2002 at 6:13:15 PM
A local rider had one of the higher end ADs, which came with full Campy NR. He wanted index shifting, so he replaced the drivetrain with Shimano stuff, and get this . . . . HE THREW THE CAMPY NR STUFF AWAY IN HIS TRASH. True story. Sad, but true. Sigh.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Austro-Daimler posted by marty on 12/21/2002 at 6:39:18 AM
I can just about relate to that. In this case it was the newer Campagnolo components. Sorry to say that I had nothing but problems with it.

      Austro-Daimler posted by John E on 12/21/2002 at 9:06:33 PM
Austro-Daimler, Steyr, and Puch bicycles were made by Steyr-Daimler-Puch, Graz, Austria. Those who have read my posts know that I am a rabid fan of Austrian bicycles, and there are even a couple of other Capo owners on this forum.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Univega posted by: Lincoln on 12/19/2002 at 4:30:41 AM
Just picked up a Univega Maxima Sport, whatever that is.
Says it has "Magnalight triple butted" tubing, but the thing
seems to weigh about 31 lbs with the rack on it! In other
words comparable to the cheap Puegeot I hope it will be
replacing since it seems to be a better fit (maybe even the
elusive 22" size). I wonder if that means it would have weighed
35 lbs if straight or why they said it. Or any other amusing
info. I suppose it's just an ordinary bike, as far as I can
tell. Has huge sprocket on freewheel, which will be nice on hills.


   Univega posted by John E on 12/19/2002 at 9:09:10 PM
Yes, I would put it in the Peugeot UO-8 league. Size IS important, however, and Peugeot's 54cm C-T size was too small for me, whereas the 57 is too big.






WANTED:   source for 26 x 1/4" tyres posted by: P.C. Kohler on 12/18/2002 at 8:17:45 PM
Any sources out there for 26 x 1/4" (597 mm) tyres other than the Kendas that Harris Cyclery offer?? This was the size used on British "club" bikes of the '50s-60s.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:WANTED:   source for 26 x 1/4 posted by Warren on 12/18/2002 at 11:10:30 PM
St John Cyclery in the UK have them in a blackwall at a reasonable price. Go to...

http://www.sjscycles.com/store/vIndex.htm






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Pre-war Dawes info required posted by: Bruce Robbins on 12/18/2002 at 11:29:48 AM
I'm due to pick up a 1939 Dawes Super Club frameset in a couple of weeks. The paintwork is very poor and there's virtually nothing left of the transfers. Does anyone have photographs of a Dawes of similar vintage so that I can see what the headbadge/transfer and the other decals were like.
I have the headbadge from a late 1950s/early 60s Dawes and was wondering if the 1930s badge was similar.
Thanks,
Bruce







AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED LIGHTWEIGHT posted by: Ian on 12/18/2002 at 10:08:04 AM
Today I stumbled across an interesting bike that has been repainted and has no transfers (sorry, decals) at all. It is a lugged frame with nicely lightened scrollwork lugs. I checked the bottom bracket but there is no Nervex mark or numbers, Front fork has a dull polished look almost like alloy or stainless but I think it is more likely satin chrome. Rims are Araya, front derailleur is early looking Campag and rear is marked Campagnolo Mirage Eight Speed although there are only 5 sprockets on the cluster and it looks much newer than the rest of the bike. The Bars, Hubs , Shifters and front sprockets (3 alloy) are all marked Lambert and the brakes are Universal. By appearance I would think it is a 50's or 60's bike but any input would be welcome. I am particularly interested in finding out about Lambert as a brand as it is not a make I have seen before. I am sure that the componentry alone is worth the asking price equivalent to US$25 but would like to find out a possible maker. Thanks, Ian.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED LIGHTWEIGHT posted by Mike Slater on 12/18/2002 at 2:07:47 PM
Try this link
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/lambert_bikes.htm

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED LIGHTWEIGHT posted by David on 12/18/2002 at 4:04:46 PM
Sounds like it's equipped with the aluminum "death fork."

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED LIGHTWEIGHT posted by Ian on 12/18/2002 at 6:28:47 PM
Thanks for that, after viewing the web site it is definitely a Lambert Proffessional, everything matches. Could somebody please now explain the "death fork" comment and what one should do about it. Thanks, Ian.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED LIGHTWEIGHT posted by Oscar on 12/18/2002 at 10:52:26 PM
Viscounts were at one time outfitted with aluminum forks to save weight. Something in the design was faulty, and they were subject to breakage. Aluminum breaks in stems, frames, cranks and forks are sudden and dangerous. If a magnet doesn't stick to the fork, don't ride it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED LIGHTWEIGHT posted by Warren on 12/19/2002 at 2:19:32 AM
It has been reported by more than a few people on other lists that the Lambert/Viscount forks can fail in a catastrophic fashion. Never ride them...swap in a nice steel fork and keep the old one for the day you hand it on the wall. Apparently they were nice frames.






MISC:   INFO posted by: Greg on 12/18/2002 at 3:21:25 AM
Anyone know anything about Tange Infinity? Anything would be appreciated. Thanks, Greg







AGE / VALUE:   CCM bike posted by: Glen Hallam on 12/18/2002 at 12:12:28 AM
I'm looking for help to identify a CCM bike of mine. It has the serial "CC 80" on the bottom of the crank housing. An oil lantern is attached to the headset. The handlebars point to the back of the bike, parallel to the frame and have wooden handles set into the metal. The seat is a "WRIGHTS" brand with a small toolkit bag attached to the back of it. If anyone could help me here I would appreciate it. I have digital pictures available. Please email me with a reply, since I do not often visit this forum. Thanks.







AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by: Jeff on 12/17/2002 at 11:19:20 PM
Anyone know anything about these bikes? I just picked one up at an auction for $13. The bike is in great shape. The frame looks to be very well built, and components are all Shimano 600, six speed, non index. Wheel bearings aren't in the greatest shape, but I have a set of NOS Campy 6 speed hubs that I'm having a wheel set built with. Any info would be apreciated.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by Kevin K on 12/17/2002 at 11:45:05 PM
Hi Jeff. I bought one a couple years back. Mine was equipped with a Campy Valentino Group. High flange Campy hubs with sew ups. 531 Frame. Swiss made. Weinmann centerpulls. Paint was crummy. The year was a 1973. Is your bike set up with the ornate Shimano 600 group? Kevin K

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by Jeff on 12/18/2002 at 12:01:32 AM
Hi Kevin. Yes, it has the ornate 600 group. At least the shift levers are. The paint on mine is pretty good, a few scratches, but nothing major. Overall, it's in great shape. Looking forward to getting the new wheels on and seeing how it rides.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by Steven on 12/18/2002 at 1:53:05 PM
Cilo is one of the top Swiss brands of bicycles. They sponsored numerous pro and amateur teams over the years in Switzerland. The best known of which was Cilo Aufina in the 80's. They made a whole range of bikes, some fantastic, others mediocre.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by Keith on 12/18/2002 at 3:59:46 PM
I had a Cilo Pro in 1973 -- 531db/Campy-NR, typical of the era. The unique feature was that the entire frame was chromed. I eventually stripped the paint and made it into a pretty cool looking all chrome fixed gear bike. I'm curious whether the chrome continued in later models like yours. Whether it's fantastic or merely mediocre, you got a fabulous deal for $13.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by Keith on 12/18/2002 at 4:01:59 PM
I should add that my Cilo was sold to me (new) at a price slightly lower than most new all-Campy/531 bikes at the time ($325) which may or may not be some indication of its quality.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by Fred A on 12/18/2002 at 10:09:41 PM
I picked up a CILO this past summer at a garage sale for $65 in my size frame. This is a late 80's model having full Shimano 105 components with a Tange frameset. Color is a blue/white fade and the bike is as close to out of the box as you can get. No paint chips at all and the bike performs beautifully. Good luck with yours!
Fred A

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cilo Swiss posted by Jeff on 12/20/2002 at 1:24:58 AM
No, the frame isn't chromed, just the fork. Looks to be very well built. Can't wait to get it back together ( and get a break in the weather) so I can ride it. Thanks to everyone for the info.






AGE / VALUE:   Zebrakenko posted by: Gralyn on 12/17/2002 at 5:48:28 PM
I have a mid-70's Zebrakenko 10 speed. I have held onto it - mainly because for it's age - it was in really great condition. I had never seen another bike of this brand - until today. On E-bay....under Sporting Goods, Cycling, Road bikes and frames, and under "Track".....I spotted a Zebrakenko track frame.

Well, at least I know there's another zebrakenko out there.
Has anyone else seen any of these? Does anyone have one?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Zebrakenko posted by David on 12/17/2002 at 11:24:01 PM
I remember running into them when shopping for a bike in 1976. They seemed like typical good Japanese bikes. I wonder if they were later sold under a different brand name in the US.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Zebrakenko posted by Peter Naiman on 12/21/2002 at 5:26:52 AM
Zebrakenko later bacame Iron Horse. I bought mine at Bicycle Bills in Brighton, Mass for about $700 in the early 80s. It came with Suntour Cyclone, which was pretty good stuff in those days. The Zebra I bought was top of the line for Zebra. I rode it for years.
Peter Naiman., Boston, MA






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:re Bosomworth road frame s/n age etc posted by: wayne davidson on 12/16/2002 at 8:15:39 AM
I have just gotten a bosomworth roadbike, I would like any details as to where I will find the s/n and identify its age. The person I bought it from said 10 years old, I doubt it, the decals have yellowed,
its full of Campagnolo NR with the pedal even having the toestrap loop, and the FD is the pre '78? I am sure no lip version.
The date code on the crankset is a 3 inside a daimond, is that 1973?
Don't get me wrong, its nice with the chrome chainstay and dropouts and a chromed fully sloping fork crown.
I really need to spend some time on it, I have not loked at the date on the RD yet, but everything else is vintage, Cinelli seat and bars.
Does anyone have any cheap Campagnolo brake shoes and holders, or can trade...regards wayne...


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:re Bosomworth road frame s/n age etc posted by Steven on 12/16/2002 at 7:08:12 PM
The crank date code is for 1973. Nuovo Record has also not been produced for close to 20 years so the bike is most defintiely older than 10 years old.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:re Bosomworth road frame s/n age etc posted by Keith on 12/17/2002 at 6:32:09 PM
Chrome chainstays are an indication of 70s vintage for the frame. Look at the dropouts -- if they are Campy dropouts and the slots is about 3.5cm, then it's another indication that the frame is 70s -- I don't recall when Campy introdiced the shorter (about 2 cm slot) dropout, but I believe it was either late 70s or early 80s. Also, measure the dropout spacing. 120mm would indicate early 70s, whereas 126 would be mid-70s or later. A 5-speed freewheel is another early 70s indicator.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:re Bosomworth road frame s/n age etc posted by Maurice on 12/19/2002 at 5:36:55 AM
Hello Steven - Where would you find the coded date diamond on the Campy crank arm? I have a Strada 170mm Triple crank on a 1972 frame. On the outside face of the crank arm or behind it? The dustcap reads Patent Campagnolo - What date does the Campy design featuring the "wings" inside a "half" diamond? on the outer side of the crank arm represent? Thanks

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:re Bosomworth road frame s/n age etc posted by Steven on 12/19/2002 at 10:34:01 PM
Maurice, look on the inner side (facing the frame when mounted on the bike) of the cranks and you will see a 3-digit number giving the length in mm, then a note saying whether it is a road (strada) or track (pista) crank and then the date code. The date code will be one single number. In the case of the crank described above with the 3 in a diamond, it indicates a 1973 vintage.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:re Bosomworth road frame s/n age etc posted by Keith on 12/20/2002 at 4:31:35 PM
The short NR dropouts (2cm slots) were introduced in 1977. If Bosomworth is a small shop or one-man mark, sold primarily as frame only, then any dating by component age involves an obvious assumption -- a person could save back a gruppo for years waiting for the right frame, or vice versa. I've built fames up with "incorrect" gruppos -- 1984 NR on my '72 Mercian, '75 NR on an earlier Bottecchia Pro, and I'm holding back an 82/83 NR gruppo for the right frame.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:re Bosomworth road frame s/n age etc posted by Keith on 12/20/2002 at 4:36:10 PM
The short NR dropouts (2cm slots) were introduced in 1977. If Bosomworth is a small shop or one-man mark, sold primarily as frame only, then any dating by component age involves an obvious assumption -- a person could save back a gruppo for years waiting for the right frame, or vice versa. I've built fames up with "incorrect" gruppos -- 1984 NR on my '72 Mercian, '75 NR on an earlier Bottecchia Pro, and I'm holding back an 82/83 NR gruppo for the right frame.






AGE / VALUE:   Campagnolo data posted by: Darryl on 12/15/2002 at 10:24:23 PM
I'm starting to build up a inventory of Vintage Campy components ('70s &'80s) some new and some used. Is there available a book or catalog of "Campy components produced over the past 30-40 years" available? Any good websites other than cyclo-24.de. Would like something with pictures and narrative of the products. Thanks, Darryl


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Campagnolo data posted by Eric Amlie on 12/16/2002 at 2:09:38 AM
Check out Chuck Schmidt's Campy timeline at:

http://www.velo-retro.com/tline.html


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Campagnolo data posted by Steven on 12/16/2002 at 7:10:15 PM
Chuck also sells copies of the Campagnolo catalogues. Otherwise, you can watch ebay for old catalogues that come up from time to time.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Campagnolo data posted by Darryl on 12/17/2002 at 1:02:03 AM
I'm tempted to buy the complete 714 pages Campy catalog for $90 as advertised at velo-retro.com. Does anyone have one they no longer want for something less than $90? I'll watch ebay for one. Thanks, Darryl

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Campagnolo data posted by Chuck Schmidt on 12/17/2002 at 2:29:34 AM
The Classic Rendezvous web site has pictures of Campagnolo parts here:






AGE / VALUE:   nishiki carbon frame posted by: Eddie on 12/15/2002 at 4:20:31 AM
I have a Nishiki carbon road bike frame. It is natural carbon fiber in color, and has aluminum lugs with the name Alan engraved in them. Just wondering about the year, and any history of this bike. It says its made in Italy.







AGE / VALUE:   nishiki carbon frame posted by: Eddie on 12/15/2002 at 4:20:31 AM
I have a Nishiki carbon road bike frame. It is natural carbon fiber in color, and has aluminum lugs with the name Alan engraved in them. Just wondering about the year, and any history of this bike. It says its made in Italy.







AGE / VALUE:   "Travler" bicycle made by "The Shelby Cycle Co. posted by: Mike on 12/15/2002 at 2:09:21 AM
I am looking for information on a "Travler" bicycle made by "The Shelby Cycle Co. of Shelby, Ohio.