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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/14/2002 at 4:13:00 PM
The Olmo I pulled from the stash is heavy and it had Valentino derailer with the push type front. Basic Campy shifters. The crank is Nervar.Missing Wheelsand the saeat is terrible.
It's heavy too. Are some if the Olmo's better than the rest.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Steven on 4/14/2002 at 5:20:35 PM
We used to joke that the cheaper Olmo's were OLMOst bicycles. The angles however were always good. In the Italian home market they make the whole gamut of models, from upright city bikes up to the pro team bikes. Brand alone doesn't mean anything.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/14/2002 at 6:53:55 PM
Well, for $50.00 with Campy Valentino rear and a push rod type front derailer and no wheels, no Campy post or anything else Campy what would you do?
Thanks for your answer.
Cycles De Oro does not school us on Olmo very well.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Oscar on 4/14/2002 at 9:49:38 PM
Valentino was the bottom of Campy's line-up, and was supplied with the lower end bikes. I had a bike with Valentinos, and at least the rear shifted well. It is a good derailleur in that it can shift up to 36 teeth. Suitable for my next project I think.

Another problem is that Valentinos are all steel, and my Val is rusty. If it doesn't clean up well, I might paint it so it looks acceptable.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Steven on 4/15/2002 at 1:00:30 AM
Unless you are the lucky one who has unlimited space, or plan to flog it and have a possible buyer lined up already, I would pass on it. I would verify the tubing quality first though. One indication of the possible quality of the tubing used, is the seat tube diameter. Most, but far from all, quality Italian bicycles used 27.2 mm tubing. For an Olmo with 26 mm tubing it could be one of the Columbus Aelle straight gauge tubing. They also used some quality 26.8 mm diameter tubing. If it none of these diameters, you can likely surmise that it is high tensile steel tubing at best and then not as worthwhile.

   seat post diameter posted by John E on 4/15/2002 at 2:51:19 PM
For 1970s Columbus-tubed bikes, Steven is probably right. However, I my 1959 double-butted 531 frame takes a 26.4mm seatpost. I agree with the comments regarding frame geometry -- many low-end Italian road bikes of the bike boom era handle beautifully.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Keith on 4/15/2002 at 3:39:36 PM
I think $5-10 would be about right. I feel nostalgic about the Valentino because when I was 13 years old, in 1971, I put one on my Gitane Interclub just so I'd have SOMETHING Campy on it. It worked just fine. The Valentinos had brass bushings, and I suspect they will, like the NR, outlast all of the French and Japanese stuff of that era. If I came across one I wouldn't throw it away.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/15/2002 at 6:57:39 PM
I'm passing over on it, you gotta be careful with some Olmo's I see.
Thanks!






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40 and 32 hole rims or narrow 26" tyres posted by: Colin Barratt on 4/14/2002 at 6:29:56 AM
I have a pair of 1948 26" (English size) wheels with 40 and 32 hole Harden hubs. The rims are Alumlite and if I polished them they would be superb on my Bates B.A R. The problem is that narrow racing tyres are unobtainable in the old 26" English size. 1 1/4" tyres would be much too wide - this is a RACING bicycle after all.
The alternative is to find a pair of narrow 700C rims with 40 and 32 hole drillings. Does anybody know of or even perhaps have some of these to pass on? There are tandem rims about but they are too wide. Mavic MA2 and MA40 used to be available but I can't seem to find any now. Hear from you soon. Colin.


   Spare part posted by Oscar on 4/14/2002 at 9:52:34 PM
That reminds me. I have a 40-hole Suntour high flange rear hub in need of a good home. Contact me if you need it.






AGE / VALUE:   INTERESTING ITEM ON EBAY posted by: Kevin K on 4/13/2002 at 7:12:27 PM
Hey all. Pretty neat looking frame on ebay. A Major Nichols. Item # 1821137281. Just a heads up as it's history looks very unique. Enjoy, Kevin







MISC:   ride posted by: rickey@knowlesbicycle334-756-7561 on 4/13/2002 at 7:12:08 PM
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AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item#1093007497 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 4:41:54 PM
E- bay item# 1093007497 Early Blumels English bicycle Pump

OH, OH, Good Heavens!! This is N.O.S.! With the origonal wrapping paper!
Perfect condition! WOW!
Not my auction, no relation to seller







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40's ? Raleigh Record Ace posted by: karl on 4/13/2002 at 2:52:29 AM
I just bought a Raleigh Record Ace from I believe the 40's. The guy i got it from said he bought it second hand in 1945, it has a fixed gear, flip-flop hub, drop bars "constrictor" grips. neat raleigh heron pedals, the rims are weinmann, can these be correct for this era bike??? really neat decal on seat tube of "4 aces, and R.R.A. the ace model" persons leather saddle. any one know how I could date it?? thanx for your time. Also looking for correct tires, and grips.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40's ? Raleigh Record Ace posted by Gralyn on 4/13/2002 at 1:46:21 PM
Would love to see a picture if it - if you have one.

There should be serial number charts here - you could determine the date from that.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40's ? Raleigh Record Ace posted by Warren on 4/13/2002 at 2:26:42 PM
I would think the original rims were Dunlops (stainless?)...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40's ? Raleigh Record Ace posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 4:14:01 PM
The Raleigh Record Ace bikes from this period are not found in the serial number chart here. Try anyways with your number but I doubt it. Ther eis another Record Ace owner floating about here and I forget his name. They were a very special deal. Raleigh's finest hours. Mine are painted in a lovely blue/ greenish color. Some decals have red in them some have blue. Some have chrome fork ends, some do not.
Some were all chrome or really nickel plate with layered laquer in like a Rubino Red shade. My point is that they went wild and expensive with these finishes and only the best componets of the day. Chater- Lea, G.B., Airlite or Harden hubs. I have two of these machines still, after fending off big time collectors who just collect these and other fine lightweights. E- mail me a postal address for a free diagram copy and matching number chart with part names or descriptions.
One went for $1400.00 on e- bay a while ago. This is something they take to the Cirque show if it's in good shape. Excellent find here. The guy I bought mine from had a terrible time in trying to buy it. He finally did get them but it was like pulling teeth. If you didn't go through heck to get yours or if it was inexpensive, consider yourself darn lucky. I don't have the Raleigh pedals with the grease injector zerk fitting on the pedal end caps and every time I see these in the diagram I think "I have to find these pedals"

Hilary Stone who offers these type vintage goodies on e- bay, is the real one to ask about these machines. He would know the real score about these bikes. The Raleigh Record Ace name was put on later day cheaper made, mass production type bikes so don't get too excited at seeing the name "Raleigh Record Ace" without knowing if it is from the 1940's or not and always see a picture.
These came with an alloy F.M. or A.S.C. fixed gear hub. Few bikes are such a joy to own and ride. These were all 531 throughout.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40's ? Raleigh Record Ace posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 4:17:17 PM
Rims were "Dunlop Special Stainless Steel Lightweight". They have a greyish-tint look to the stainless steel. These are the more rare of the Record Ace rims. Warren is right however! These are stainless rims every time. Dunlop had two types of stainless steel rims at the same time. It was weird.
Expensive and rare rims.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40's ? Raleigh Record Ace posted by Chris on 4/13/2002 at 4:25:55 PM
The Weinmann rims you have are selling for a nice bit of change on e- bay if they have the dimpled spoke holes in the rim. These are not origonal rims but nice rims anyways if they are the early Weinmann. Grips could be origonal, Constrictor is time period correct but mine say "Shockstop" are big beefy black rubber grips. Don't worry about the grips this was something that depended on the customers taste. The hub is the way the owner set it up. They offered a flip flop hub too so it is standard. Unless you asked for Sturmey-Archer alloy shell hubs like a F.C. F.M. A.C. or A.S.C.fixed
Tires? I'll have to look. What would be origonal tires for a bike this old.
Ask Hilary Stone!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   40's ? Raleigh Record Ace posted by Tom on 4/13/2002 at 8:19:05 PM
Just went up on ebay the ASC fixed gear hub. Dated 1949. Also same guy has the Harden hubs. Nice but very expensive. Watch this auction the hub should go for a fortune. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1093323038






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX 10's and Raleigh Grand Prix posted by: Beth on 4/13/2002 at 12:46:29 AM
1970&1972 PX 10's by Peugeot. Both are in good shape with Nervex Lugs, Mafac brakes Normandy Hubs, excellent rims. One is the large men's frame and the other is smaller. Also we have a huge frame, Raleigh Grand Prix in Grey on grey colours, a beauty to ride. How much should we ask for these bikes? We have tons of pictures to e-mail.


     PX 10's and Raleigh Grand Prix posted by John E on 4/13/2002 at 6:02:02 PM
Keep watching eBay to calibrate yourself on PX-10 prices, which seem to have been rising dramatically over the past several months.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX 10's and Raleigh Grand Prix posted by Keith on 4/15/2002 at 2:36:53 PM
I think they're interesting bikes with a bit of history behind them but I don't get the prices considering the equipment, so-so quality of workmanship, and numbers made. I'd think Gitane would be just as highly prized since Anquetil rode one.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1972 Consumer Guide to Bicycles posted by: Keith on 4/12/2002 at 4:55:11 PM
I picked this up at a garage sale this morning -- takes up less room than another bike! Written with the same blindfolded-dart-throwing flair as other consumer guide materials I've read, but full of cool information, such as models, specs, and prices. Masi ($485), Rene Herse ($750and up), Bob Jackson ($500), and others are mentioned in the custom section. It lists the Schwinn Paramount P-14 track bike as it's first chioce "best buy" followed by Raleigh, and then Frejus. I gotta wonder whether some CG staffer really got on these bikes in a velodrome and compared them. HA! The book also contains a history of cycling, including the bike boom, during which time the book was published. Anyway, it's full of stuff, and now when people ask about some mid-range Falcon, Frejus or Gitane I may end up having something to share.


    1972 Consumer Guide to Bicycles posted by John E on 4/12/2002 at 7:18:54 PM
Great find, Keith! I would be interested to hear their opinions of the 1971-2 Peugeot PX-10, Nishiki Semi-Pro, and Bianchi Specialissima. If one knows nothing about a prospective purchase, I suppose CG is not a bad place to start, but the reader cannot afford to check his/her brains and skepticism at the door.

   RE: 1972 Consumer Guide to Bicycles posted by Keith on 4/12/2002 at 8:04:20 PM
The '72 PX-10 is listed as the CG's top chioce for a "lower-priced top bicycle" followed by the Atala Competiione and the Bottechia Giro D'Italia. All three were listed as selling for $250. The Nishiki Semi-Pro is not listed among the top choices, although the Nishiki Olympiad is the top choice for bikes costing between $100 and $150. The Nishiki Semi-Pro is listed in this CG's longer list (chart, really) of bikes that cost between $100 and $250. It list Suntour equipment, steel rims (?!) and an approx. weight of 21 pounds (???!!!). The price in '72 was $180.50. The Bianchi Specialissima is also not listed as a top choice in its category, but is shown on the chart as being made with db Columbus tubing, equiped with Campy and Universal Sidepuuls. It cost $460 ($10 more than a Cinelli).

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1972 Consumer Guide to Bicycles posted by smg on 4/12/2002 at 9:05:25 PM
Hang onto it! I used to have the 1973 edition, and like a fool got rid of it about 15 years ago. What I remember from it is one of my most valuable bike-history references. Not so much for the top-of-the-line bikes, but for the low/middle-price "10 speeds" that are likely to show up in garage sales, etc.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1972 Consumer Guide to Bicycles posted by Keith on 4/15/2002 at 5:09:39 PM
Yes -- best to hang onto such stuff. I recently gave away an original edition of Sloane's, but it was to another vintage enthusiast who's been quite generous to me. BUT, I loaned my CONI manual to a "friend" at the end of high school, and never got it back. I sorely miss it, and it appears they now go for big bucks.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PUCH "ROYAL"? posted by: "Elvis" on 4/11/2002 at 9:02:27 PM
Hi! I posted a message on an old Puch yesterday and got some good replies. I just finished touching up the decals on the frame that say "PUCH" [they were scraped] and noticed a decal on the top tube with what appears to be the model name "ROYAL" The decal is scratched but I can barely make it out. Does anyone know if this was the higher end model [I'm hoping it was, but I love the bike regardless... just curious!]


   Steyr-Daimler-Puch posted by John E on 4/12/2002 at 1:57:38 PM
S-D-P's bottom-of-the-line bike boom 10-speed, priced to undercut the Peugeot AO-8 and the Schwinn Varsity, was the Steyr Clubman. Slightly upscale, competing against the UO-8 and the Schwinn Continental, was the flashy-looking Puch Bergmeister. I never saw a "Royal," which sounds like either a Peugeot PA-10 (carbon steel frame, sewups) or PR/PK-10 (Reynolds main triangle).

This is stretching a bit, but in the 1970s, Uher named its top-of-the-line tape recorder "Royal de Luxe." If Germanic merchants tended to reserve "Royal" for their high-end products, this would bode well for you.

   RE:Steyr-Daimler-Puch posted by Elvis on 4/14/2002 at 5:45:00 AM
Thanks again! it is really cool to know there are so many people still interested in older bicycles!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PUCH posted by Russ Fitzgerald on 4/28/2002 at 11:48:24 PM
I remember two Puch models that were "Royal" in the 70s - the Royal Force was a silver-grey, while the Royal X came in salmon and pink - at least in 1977 or 78 they did. If your Puch is a white 23-in Royal Force, I would be interested in it for sentimental reasons. Puch later got bought up by Bianchi, and the frames got more Italian in design. My c. 1977 Royal X was very much like a mid-70s PX-10, by comparison.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Crank failure posted by: Keith on 4/11/2002 at 8:42:05 PM
This may have been posted here before, but this site shows what can and does happen to old cranks.
http://pardo.net/pardo/bike/pic/fail/FAIL-001.html



   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Crank failure posted by Oscar on 4/11/2002 at 10:12:00 PM
Are spindles hollow?

   are spindles hollow? posted by John E on 4/12/2002 at 1:49:16 PM
Oscar -- Most of the spindles which use bolts are hollow, whereas some of the cheapo older style ones with nuts (e.g. Sugino Maxi) are solid.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Constrictor Rims posted by: Tom on 4/11/2002 at 2:11:53 PM
Could anyone tell me when the Constrictor Conloy ASP rims were made? Are these top of the line? When did Constrictor rims start and when did they end? What are the different rims they made? What are they worth? I would like to buy a pair from a guy but I don't know what to pay. Would these be correct for a 30's track bike?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Constrictor Rims posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/12/2002 at 12:41:54 AM
These are fine, rare rime you mention. All I have on Constrictor is a picture and description in my Brown Brothers catalog.

But, If you e- mail Hilary Stone in England and ask him I think he will know.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Constrictor Rims posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/12/2002 at 1:01:31 AM
hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk.
Not only is he smart, but he offers goodies for sale on e- bay! Good luck






AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot Grand Sport posted by: Gralyn on 4/11/2002 at 11:52:19 AM
I picked up a Peugeot Grand Sport - For parts - unless someone advises me otherwise. It had a really neat looking Italian stem and bars (which I thought was a little weird - and I figure was probably not original). I also wanted to use the Rigida rims and Normandy hubs on an older bike of mine. It had a lot of "Peugeot" Components - saddle, rear deur, cranks, brakes. It did have Weinmann levers, and Simplex shifters. QR on front only. It was also a really dark brown...or really dark greyish brown...if you can imagine such a color. Oh, Lyotard pedals. I believe the frame had a sticker "103" I'm thinking maybe this is for "1030" which is just regular steel. It doesn't feel very light. Kinda like one of those old heavy lightweights - but it's not really heavy like a late 70's Schwinn Continental, or anything. I wish I could remember the name of the Italian bars and stem.


   Carbolite 103 posted by John E on 4/11/2002 at 1:57:11 PM
It sounds like a ca. 1980 cheapo with a 103 Carbolite gaspipe frame. (I think I paid $3 for one at a yard sale. As you surmised, this is NOT a PX-10 or PR/PK-10 class frame, and it even makes its predecessor, the UO-8, look pretty decent.) If you are scrapping it, as I did mine, please salvage the Swiss-threaded BB cups, if they are in decent shape. (I have three Swiss-threaded frames and one French-threaded frame; all four are worth preserving as long as possible.)

Good Italian bar/stem brands include TTT and Cinelli.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot Grand Sport posted by Lynne on 6/17/2002 at 7:08:35 PM
Hello,

I bought a bike that sounds like yours for $37 on e-Bay. It came in pieces in a box. It has a broken shifter and I wonder if you'd like to sell yours if you still have the bike you bought for parts. What's your number? I'll give you a call.

Thanks,

Lynne






MISC:   Cog Thread size posted by: Gralyn on 4/11/2002 at 11:37:37 AM
Here's my situation: I have a wheel, I threaded a 13 or 14 tooth gear onto the hub to make myself a fixed-gear bike. However, that's the only gear I have that will fit onto the threads of the hub. All the other gears I have - have too big a diameter - and don't thread on. The particular gear I have came off an early cassette - which required a Park FR-2 (I believe that's right) for removal. It was an early set-up - that wasn't made for very long. But, the small gear will thread onto a lot of other hubs. (maybe it's about 1 3/8 diameter). What I would like - is to have about a 17 or 18 tooth gear to thread onto the hub. I don't have such an animal. I have some gears with 17 tooth - but they are about 1 3/4, or 1 5/8 diameter - too big for the hub. Where can I find a 17 or 18 tooth gear with small enough diameter to fit onto most 70's and 80's wheels?


   RE:MISC:   Cog Thread size posted by Walter on 4/11/2002 at 4:31:48 PM
I'm not sure if I understand your difficulty. My fixie has NOS Sunshine hubs (track) from the 70s or 80s and the cogs I buy from the catalogs thread on fine. When people I rode with in the mid-80s converted a road bike to a fixie they just threaded on a track cog. If your rear hub is 70s-80s vintage and designed for a freewheel the track cogs should thread on. A track lockring won't as it's slightly smaller diameter and threaded differently as well.

   RE:MISC:   Cog Thread size posted by Keith on 4/11/2002 at 6:10:35 PM
If the cog you have will thread onto other hubs then the most likely case is that it's virtually universal and you can get lots of different sizes for it -- I once got a 20 and I think they go a bit bigger than that. Go to sheldonbrown.com and look at fixed gear goodies through the Harris link. You'll need the narrower cog -- not a true track cog.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Cog Thread size posted by Keith on 4/11/2002 at 6:12:10 PM
P.S. to confirm this try an English thread bb ring -- if it also fits on the hub, then you've got the standard hub threads and cogs will be readily available.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Cog Thread size posted by Gralyn on 4/11/2002 at 6:40:01 PM
Thanks,
I'll try the bottom bracket thing - just to make sure. But it does seem to be the typical 70's and 80's wheel with free-hubs - and I didn't know if a track cog would thread on or not. It sounds like it probably would. I know I have the one wheel from a 10-speed - it had a very small thread diameter on the hub - I mean really small! I know there isn't a cog that will fit that. But a lot of the cassettes have the small cog, or the 2 smallest ones - with threads. I had hoped I could thread the next-to-the-smalleds one (17 or 18 T) onto the hub....but they are too big.

I will verify the hub size and then try to get a track cog with the # teeth I want.

   RE:MISC:   Cog Thread size posted by Keith on 4/11/2002 at 6:55:13 PM
Remember to get the narrower size -- I'm assuming you're using the chain that was on the bike. A true track cog is wider, and you'd need a wider chain to use it.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Cog Thread size posted by Gralyn on 4/11/2002 at 7:50:49 PM
I already have the wider chain on the bike - as I was told it was previously set-up for fixed gear. So, all I need is the cog!






AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Superbe posted by: Gralyn on 4/11/2002 at 11:32:12 AM
I saw a Schwinn Superbe (At least I think that's what it was - as best I can remember). It had to be at least a '78 model...maybe older - because it had a license sticker for '78 on it. It was pretty light for a bike that old. It had Weinmann alloy rims, QR front and rear, I was thinking it had side-pull brakes....but now I'm thinking - maybe not. The brakes were "Schwinn", The deur. was Schwinn. I even think the stem was "Schwinn". I had never heard of this particular model. Is it near the bottom of the line? Middle? I thought about getting it -just for the wheels.


   RE:   Schwinn Superbe posted by Eric Amlie on 4/11/2002 at 12:45:22 PM
I've never heard of a Superbe and I've never seen one in the catalogs. Similar names that Schwinn used were Superior and Super Sport, both pretty decent bikes.

   RE:RE:   Schwinn Superbe posted by Gralyn on 4/11/2002 at 1:31:55 PM
....That's it.....I believe it was a "Superior" not a "Superbe". Yes, it looked like it would have been a decent bike for it's day. I mean compared with a "Sport-a-bout" or a "Varsity" - it is a good bike.

    Schwinn Superior posted by John E on 4/11/2002 at 2:05:42 PM
Yes, definitely a big step up from the electroforged gaspipe Varsinentals, the Superior and Super Sport had fillet-brazed CrMo frames. Put on a 3-piece aluminum crank (Sheldon still sells the adaptors) and a nice of pedals, and you have one of the best sub-Paramount road bikes Schwinn made.

   RE:Schwinn Superior posted by Eric Amlie on 4/11/2002 at 3:32:57 PM
If you buy it for the wheels I might be interested in buying the frame & fork from you.

   RE:RE:Schwinn Superior posted by Gralyn on 4/11/2002 at 6:42:01 PM
I'll stop by there this afternoon. If it's still there I will get it....but it may be gone! The half-decent ones get gone in a heartbeat!

   RE:RE:RE:Schwinn Superior posted by Oscar on 4/11/2002 at 7:13:13 PM
But a Superior can be sneaky and look like a regular Continental. It's one of the best bikes made in its time.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:Schwinn Superior posted by Gralyn on 4/12/2002 at 2:33:55 AM
I stopped by - it was still there - it was a "Superior" - 10 speed - from at least 1978. But the frame is not lugged it's welded - what about that?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Schwinn Superior posted by Oscar on 4/12/2002 at 4:28:32 AM
Not welded, but fillet brazed by hand. That's why Superiors are mistaken for Varsities, because it looks flashwelded. Superiors have cro-mo tubing and are very light and well made. Pick it up. Pick it up. Pick it up.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Schwinn Superior posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/13/2002 at 4:30:51 PM
Me big Dummy! I probably passed over a Superior because like you say, it looks flashwelded to the untrained eye.
Paramounts and Superiors, there are collectors who love these bikes and seek them out.
He's saying "Pick it up" to see if it's a lightweight feeling bike. A Varsity is heavier to the feel.






AGE / VALUE:   Dura-ace equipped PUCH posted by: "Elvis" on 4/11/2002 at 5:58:25 AM
Hi all... I just got a new road bike [Trek 1000] and promised myself I wouldn't pick up any more junk bikes and restore them, but when at a bike shop a fellow came in with a grey PUCH roadbike. The wheels [which has sew-ups on them!] where totally shattered and the guy said he had done the bike in by accidentally pulling into his garage with it in a roof rack (!) My eyes saw the two-tone Dura-ace cranks and chainrings,black side-pulls, and black downtube shifters, Shimano CRANE rear dureilluer and noticed too the bike frame was my size! when he said he didn't want to pay to have the wheels rebuilt I offered to buy the bike for $50. That afternoon I cleaned it up and put a set of wheels on it. It rides great but I have no idea how old it is. It has streamlined Areo brake levers but all other parts seem original. The guy said he bought it in the 1980's from the first owner who used to ride in races and group rides... Any one have an idea how old it is? And is it even possible to get sew-ups any more, or to use them on regular rims?


   AGE / VALUE: PUCH posted by John E on 4/11/2002 at 2:11:14 PM
During the 1980s, Steyr-Daimler-Puch of Austria marketed its wares in the U.S. under the "Austro-Daimler" marque. The "Puch" brand name indicates 1970s; the Shimano gear, later 1970s, as the early 1970s specimens had European gear. It should be a decent frame, probably Reynolds 531 on the main triangle. (I'm biased, since I ride a 1959 Capo, www.capo.at, from the only other Austrian framebuilder who sold bikes in the U.S.)