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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   English "Club" bike handlebar coverings posted by: P.C. Kohler on 8/13/2002 at 2:45:48 PM
A question for you devotees of the classic English "club" machines (Raleigh Lentons, Rudge Pathfinders, Humber Clippers et. al.)--

What was the standard covering for the dropped handlebars on these machines? Every catalogue I've seen shows the bars were covered at the very bottom only(below the brake levers/SA trigger) with what looks like traditional "tape". Yet specs for the Raleigh Lenton c. 1950 cite "5 inch Silver Grey sleeve grips" whilst a Humber parts diagram from the same period also shows a set part number, M647, for what again looks like a grip resembling tape.

Any ideas? Any sources for replacements? Or do most people just use handlebar tape?

P.C. Kohler


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   English posted by dafydd on 8/14/2002 at 12:16:02 AM
This may or may not help you, PC; it certainly doesn't help me! I just bought a GB stem/bar set (c. unknown) that had baby blue "DARE Brand" rubber grips that covered the drops and tops of the bars. It was texturized to look like tape. In my impatience in being able to remove it, and inability to find info, I cut it off. If you'd like a piece as a sample, send me your addy and I'll mail it off.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   English posted by Tim Welsh on 8/14/2002 at 7:49:34 PM
I am not an expert on Club bikes, beyond telling you what is on the two I have. Both my '40's Raleigh Clubman, and my 50's Raleigh-made 'Glider' (Cdn brand marketed by Eatons) club bike, have (orig) cotton tape only below the brake levers.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   English posted by Fred on 8/14/2002 at 9:00:25 PM
The drop bars on my 1955 Triumph Torrington Clubman are wrapped with shellaced cloth tape from bar end to within 1 1/2" from the bar clamp. I don't know if the coverings are original or not but they are consistant with everything else on the bike which was said by the seller to be all original. It seems only logical that all of the hand positions would be covered.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   English posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/14/2002 at 9:01:32 PM
Thanks guys; this answers my question. If I can find the original "Dare" brand grips (fat chance!), great, otherwise tape (cotton) below the brake levers.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   English posted by Warren on 8/15/2002 at 1:23:26 AM
Don't forget John Bull grips...they appeared on many club bikes, path racers etc. Problem is they were real rubber and most have deteriorated into little bits by now. They fetch a pretty penny on ebay when they appear.






AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by: Grant Hubick on 8/13/2002 at 6:36:52 AM
Well,I've read through most of the recent posts in the vintage lightweight discussion group and managed to learn something.There were no bicycles made in Japan in the 60s-80s worth riding.Also it is proper to dismiss the mention of such a creature with either a sneer of derision or a total denial of it,s existence.Is it just me?I know it's apples and oranges but I don't see a lot of Italian,French or British automobiles in North America.Is it a conscience decision to dislike the Japanese bike, which in my experience have been nothing but reliable and well built?Yeah,everybody love Campy but the only thing Schwinn had going for it was that it's American.Nothing special.
Anybody?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by David on 8/13/2002 at 1:22:37 PM
Maybe you were reading a different discussion group by accident.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by Keith on 8/13/2002 at 2:14:59 PM
This may be the most civilized discussion group on the internet. Never seen sneering here -- a number of people have bought and fixed Japanese lightweights. I've owned several, and I still have a very nice '83 Lotus Competition, my wife rides a Miyata Pro, and my son rides an 80s Shogun. Sheldon Brown has an article on Japanese bikes that's wrth reading, and the Classic Rendezvous site has a small but decent tribute to 3Rensho. The Japanese-built Schwinn's are solid, utilitarian bikes, as are many Japenese bikes from the 70s-80s (I'm not aware of Japanese bikes being imported in any significant numbersd before the 70s bike boom). Japanese components are well respeted among this group. Suntour was an inovator and leader until the late 80s. It's Supurbe and Cyclone groups as good as anything made in Europe. The pre-index Shimano Dura Ace and 600 equipment was also superlative. I've never read anything to the contrary here. Now some here will also talk about top-end European frames and equipment, including Camagnolo, with glowing praise -- they deserve it too! But this does not detract from the inherent value of the best Japanese products. As a final note -- there is no doubt that among the hight roller collectors, European bikes and components command the highest prices -- but ironically some of the highest prices have been paid by JAPANESE COLLECTORS!

   RE:Where are the Japanese? posted by KRB on 8/13/2002 at 6:22:02 PM
I am 3Rensho fan. Does anyone know where I can get information and/or images of pre-index Dura Ace components? Also, any leads on items available for purchase would be appreciated. Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by Rob on 8/13/2002 at 6:56:33 PM
I'm not sure why you are saying all this??? Trying to be provocative??? For me this discussion group have been very helpful, very civilized, and very knowledgable. Suntour and Shimano applied the competitive pressure that greatly improved bike components...Campagnolo has effectively met this challenge for road bikes. While this was sad and unfortunate for many long time European component makers, to me as a buyer and user this seems to have been dramatically to my benefit. (And we must remember in their day these same European component makers were very innovative.) Of course, we are now facing Shimano's near monopoly, particularly with MTB components. In my view Shimano effectively got to this postion through a combination of good to excellent products and very effective business practices. The anti-Shimano sentiments one hears seem to have more to do with these monopoly concerns that with the quality of their products...and probably is a healthy and expected reaction. For the consumer the saddest part of this process was the demise of Suntour.

As to bike frames, most people who post here seem to have nothing but praise for Japanese frames. And they recognize that these frames run from very basic utilitarian to very finessed. To me late '70's through '80's Nishiki and Myata frames are excellent mid-level products. I have several Nishikis, one of which I currently use as a "rain bike" for my commute...very nice ride and very smooth operation even when wet and dirt covered (Suntour components). I had a Myata 610GT (I think that was the model) which was a very nice, smooth bike..unfortunately a little bit too tall for me, so I gave it to my brother...

I think the attraction to high-end European frames, which I share, is a combination of many things... Uniqueness, many of these frames are hand-built by craftsmen, not robots; small production numbers; style and elegance; and nostalgia for the glory days of road bikes...Tour de France, Giro D'Italia, etc. ...even if some of us are too young to have actually been part of it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by Keith on 8/13/2002 at 7:21:17 PM
I think Rob hits it on the head -- the classic Italian steel -- Colnago, Masi, De Rosa -- was ridden by Merckx, and Coppi rode Bianchi. Names like Motobecane, Peugeot and Raleigh are seen in old race photos -- not true of Nishiki or Fuji. More recently that's changed. For example, the Mercury team rode Fuji in 2001, when they dominated the U.S. racing team and almost earned a spot in the TDF. Japanese bikes didn't slow them down any. Also, Rivendell currently has its Atlantis and Rambouliet frames made in a small shop in Japan -- possibly the best values in non-racing lugged steel around. I think there's some rich history yet to be uncovered by U.S. collectors in Japenese bikes -- I read on a site that imported Miyata that Miyata started in the 1890s -- in the same era as Schwinn, Raleigh and Peugeot -- and made the first bike in Japan -- I think for the emperor's son. But you won't see a lavish coffee table book on Miyata here any time soon, I expect.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by Gralyn on 8/14/2002 at 2:06:10 AM
Yes, the Japanese bikes.....When I decided to finally get a "real" bike back about 1982....I got a Lotus. For the money....value....the Japanese bikes kicked Schwinn's butt. I still have my Lotus. I have 2 Nishikis, 2 Fujis, a LeMans Centurian, and a few others. Great bikes with some really great components. Really good value.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by John S. on 8/14/2002 at 6:37:35 AM
3 Rensho are among the finest frames I've seen. But the paint scheme was very Italian, probably to gain sales.

Maybe the finest Japanese stuff, other than SunTour Superbe Pro may not have seen these shores in volume. I have a "Grand Compe" by Dia Compe, brakeset that is a remake of Mafac Racer centerpulls. Maybe the finest brakeset quality of production I've ever seen. My favorite bike shop is in Berkeley, California, owned and operated for years by a Japanese man named Hiroshi. The shop is like a design display studio with some fabulous examples of Japanese interpretation of mid-century French touring bikes like Rene Hearse. He has some Japanese reference material and vintage bikes displaying wonderful design and orientation towards touring, opposed to racing. Treasures and a tribute to Japanese design style - spare, elegant, subtle, wonderfully functional. My wife and I each have frames designed by this man - wonderful lightweight touring/audex style bikes. Derivative? Yes. Unique? Yes. All time keepers? Unquestionably yes.

Go find the good, 70's/80's SunTour, Sugino, SR, Specialized stuff. It was better than Campy in it's day.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? -- Jitensha Studio posted by KRB on 8/14/2002 at 5:26:38 PM
I remember that shop from my college days.

Grant, you can check it out at http://www.jitensha.com/eng/ if you are still reading.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by Keith on 8/14/2002 at 8:47:20 PM
KRB -- very cool. The outlook reminds me of Grant Petersen-Rivendell (not that he invented the Audax/touring bike), and I think there's an Atlantis in one of the photos (shop window). Are either of the small shops he refers to the ones that make the Atlantis and Rambouliet?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where are the Japanese? posted by Dave on 8/15/2002 at 5:50:05 PM
I'll add my experiences w/ Japanese components and bicycles.
I Still ride my 1980 Vista Elite. It was $274.00 new, with 700 x 28C wheels/tires and all shimano 600 components.
I thought they were cool back then with the allen key nuts and bolts and easily removable cranks and cassette freewheel, plus the uniglide chain.
I did not know then that Shimano would dominate the industry but I knew I had a great product!, And durable!
I have put several thousand miles on that bike over the years and the hubs are still good. just had to replace the rear spokes due to fatigue breakage back in 1992 and replaced the chainrings also for wear at the same time. and decided to change the headset because it was getting notchy.
I still use the same break shoes!
The frame was a sport/touring frame made of 631 tubing and had to replace the seat with a condor, pedals w/ campagnolo steel quill pedals and put a shorter stem on it to fit me better, plus change the rear cogs to a racing configuration.
other than that I think Shimano is great!






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Know anything about Schwinn Prologues? posted by: John Runjavac on 8/13/2002 at 1:47:23 AM
Many years ago, I traded a set of hubs and a few $ for a Schwinn Prologue framset that I built and commuted to work on. It began life with a Sturmey 3 speed drive train and eventually, over time ended up all Dura Ace. I still have it and its one of my favorite bikes. I think the framesets were imported from Japan and made of Tange Prestige tubing. Does anyone have any other information on the Prologue? Where in the pecking order of Schwinns was the Prologue? Any info is appreciated. Thanks


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Know anything about Schwinn Prologues? posted by Eric Amlie on 8/13/2002 at 7:31:09 PM
Looks to me that it was offered 1987 through 1989 and was positioned just under the Paramounts.






AGE / VALUE:   Really old road bike posted by: Elvis on 8/12/2002 at 7:57:58 PM
Hi all. I picked up a really old road bike today. It says Astro on it and is faded red. The bike has Weinman sidepulls but only the front brake has a lever and cable hooked up to it. This brake lever is really old-looking and appears to be steel not aluminum like most 60s 70s bikes I've seen. Also the bike has Nervar steel cottered cranks and only one chainring up front, which is really thin and cut out. Probably around 50 t give or take a few, not marked as to size. Bike says "made in france" on top near front of downtube, and has only one brazed-on shift lever mount on the downtube. The shifter appears to be the Huret Avlit rear derailuer. Wingnuts on wheels, one of them damaged. Only a 5 speed has me thinking 1950s... any idea how old the bike is. And has anyone ever heard of Astro? I haven't...


   Really old road bike..Astra posted by Elvis on 8/12/2002 at 8:25:59 PM
OOPS! Sorry. It's Astra, not Astro.

   RE:Really old road bike..Astra posted by Art on 8/13/2002 at 4:05:20 AM
How does it compare to this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=1849739242

My first bike was a gold Astra which I bought in 67 and seems a bit different to this one, though fairly similar. Astra was made by Motobecane, mine had the M engraved in the fork. I also saw an Astra bike, French made, from the thirties, which at $60 I passed on and it still bugs me.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Really old road bike posted by Oscar on 8/13/2002 at 4:24:46 AM
It's common to see bikes from the 70's with right only shifting. These were designed for the European markets who were OK with just shifting in the back. I usually see these with a Huret converter that will allow you to shift a front derailleur. I have one of these and a Huret front wingnut (if it's the nut that's damaged). Give me a shout if you're in need.

   RE: I think a nameless bike I have is the same Astra.. posted by Elvis on 8/13/2002 at 4:26:22 AM
Art, you ain't gonna believe this, but I think I have that bike in my Garage! The gold one... I have another bike similar in frame design to this red one I picked up, but minus the logo on the head tube. The only markings on this gold bike, which has a whitish head tube, are "Tour de France" on top tube and tri-color bands on the seat tube. But it has chrome fork caps w Ms cut out in them! [the red one I just picked up has no chrome, thoguh the forks on both bikes have a very pronounced curve near the bottom].Funny thing is, I was wondering if my new find was produced by the same company, but couldn't tell w/out a head badge on the gold one and the parts on the red one seem so much older. The chainrings on the gold one [it has two on the front] are heavier and thicker; the older red one has only one front chainring and it is all thin and looks like a hollow snowflake.

   RE:RE: I think a nameless bike I have is the same Astra.. posted by Art on 8/14/2002 at 1:57:28 AM
Elvis, If you have a picture of the gold one I'd love to see it. I assume the five speed is older than the ten speed, at least I've seen older ones like the one you describe. Art






FOR SALE:   7 truckloads to move quickly. posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 8/12/2002 at 2:48:16 PM
We just picked up 7 pickup truck loads of parts from a bike shop that went out of business.

Most of it is fairly new, not vintage, and we will want to move it quickly.

Hundereds of tires, wheelsets, complete bicycles (mostly Gary Fisher) lots of road and MTB parts. Also tons of Thule and Yakima racks, adapters, etc.

Everything's gotta go. Send email with your wish list and we'll see what we have and quote
a price with shipping. We'll sell it individually or in bulk. We need to make room for another (older) shop closeout which we're negotiating right now.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com



   RE:FOR SALE:   7 truckloads to move quickly. posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 8/14/2002 at 8:40:34 PM
We're going to bring a good load of parts and car racks to the Larz Anderson this Sunday.
They will all be priced from $1 to $5 except for a couple large racks.

VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Terrot on eBay posted by: BP on 8/12/2002 at 5:12:02 AM
Is anyone familiar with the Terrot marque? There currently is a Terrot frameset on eBay, item # 1850639447. I'm curious if anyone can provide details regarding this builder. Seller also has some other interesting framesets available as well,Jack Taylor among them.


      Terrot posted by John E on 8/13/2002 at 2:48:10 AM
Terrot is a venerable old French marque. In the 1930s, as I learned from Pryor Dodge's exhibit, they experimented with a unique push-lever 10-speed drive system. In the mid-1960s, two of my high school buddies rode Terrots; one was a 10-speed, the other, a 15-speed. I have not heard of any new Terrots since that time, and I do not know when the company finally went out of business, but it may have happened just after the early 1970s bike boom in the U.S.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Terrot on eBay posted by John S. on 8/13/2002 at 5:21:38 AM
Picked up a Terrot late last year, probably late 60's early 70's. Sticker said "Made in Spain". Had Olympic brand brakeset - similar to Weinmann centerpulls, Olympic rear/Lambert front sealed bearing high flange hubs, old Stronglight alloy crankset, cheesey Simplex drailleurs. Frame quality was poor so I used it as a parts bike for other projects.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Terrot on eBay posted by Ray on 8/13/2002 at 6:53:38 PM
Are you sure that Spanish bike wasn't a "Torrot"? I picked one up a few years ago, has a bull on the headtube. Mine says "Tour of Spain" on the top tube, Super Vitus tubing, Simplex forged dropouts, top line Simplex drive train, Universal super 68 brakes, etc., and was built quite nicely. I have yet to hear of another.






AGE / VALUE:   CHROME SEARS 3 SPEED posted by: FREESPIRIT on 8/10/2002 at 2:16:53 AM
Saw an all chrome Sears three speed (frame, fenders and chain guard) with something-wood written on the chainguard. The crome was in good condition but the handlebars and other parts were peeling and rusting. Does anyone know what company made this bike. Also the top tube gets smaller nearer the seat tube.



      CHROME SEARS 3 SPEED posted by John E on 8/11/2002 at 11:43:32 PM
Lugged frame with 3-piece cottered cranks: Steyr-Daimler-Puch (Graz, Austria).

Internally lugged, welded, electroforged, etc. frame with one-piece Ashtabula crank: Murray, perhaps Huffy.

   RE:   CHROME SEARS 3 SPEED posted by gary m on 8/12/2002 at 4:59:09 AM
how about this one... all chrome 26 in 10 speed, 3 pc cottered crank, all straight tubes, lugged frame, center pull brakes, suntour driveline, ITS A HUFFY. says so right on it.

   Huffy posted by John E on 8/13/2002 at 2:52:17 AM
Does this lugged, cottered-cranked Huffy say, "Made in U.S.A.?" I do not think Huffy could build a brazed, lugged frame if they tried, but I could be wrong. I am guessing the Huffy is also a rebranded Steyr. The easy way to tell is the bottom bracket threading, with Swiss strongly implying Austrian origin and English potentially implying either American or British origin.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   CHROME SEARS 3 SPEED posted by Keith on 8/13/2002 at 8:43:11 PM
Didn't Serrota or some other builder make team frames with "Huffy" on them for some big early U.S. team? Anyway, that's not what Gary describes. I had a Cannondale with Huffy decals on it -- ir drew lots of questions from other riders.






AGE / VALUE:   1950's ladies paramount sports tourist posted by: A.R. on 8/10/2002 at 1:28:37 AM
A few months ago I picked up a 1950's ladies paramount on eBay for about $600. It's in excellent condition, barring a few broken rear spokes. Original tires, fenders, wheels, pedals... I replaced the bulky mattress-type saddle with a Brooks B17 (had to change the seatpost, too) and changed the brakes to something not worn out.

But the paint is original with only a few nicks, complete with decal and "Schwinn Paramount" on the downtube. Serial #523.

Any suggestions? Any idea on the real year?

Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's ladies paramount sports tourist posted by David on 8/10/2002 at 3:20:59 AM
I don't remember seeing this bike; one of my searches should have found it but you know ebay. Is it like later Paramounts; i.e. 531 frame, 27" wheels, nice components, etc? What kind of "women's" frame? Mixte? Regular dual downtube? Is the item still in the ebay database?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's ladies paramount sports tourist posted by Art on 8/10/2002 at 9:43:44 PM
Check waterfordbikes.com for Paramount history under their VeloRotica link. It's pre-59 according to them, but records for pre 59, destroyed in the fire, are hard to verify. If the Paramount is in script with the older top hat Schwinn seat tube transfer, then that is consistant with a mid-fifties Paramount that I had. Does it have a chainguard, chrome fenders, and is the crank, brakes, and levers embossed with the old style Schwinn script lettering? Art






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gazelle Champion Mondiale posted by: Richie on 8/9/2002 at 7:13:53 PM
I just a really nice frame, but I have never heard of the brand, and I was hoping that someone has. It is a Gazelle Chapion Mondiale. It is made out of Reynolds 531 tubing, and is lug constructed. Any info would be apprecaited.

I was also wondering about cranks. I am a bit confused about the lengths. I have heard that short cranks are useful if you have knee problems, and my knees are not all that they used to be. The problem is how short should I go? I am 5' 6", and like my saddle height to be set at 28".
Thanks


   crank length posted by John E on 8/9/2002 at 7:36:08 PM
For you, 165mm cranks should be about right. Longer cranks give you greater leverage, but also require you to flex your knees more. Shorter cranks, combined with slightly lower gearing, may be a good solution.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gazelle Champion Mondiale posted by Tom Findley on 8/14/2002 at 11:59:19 AM
Gazelle bikes are made in Holland. This company uses them:

http://www.cycletours.com/01introduction/introdetail.lasso?-token.id=16&-token.lang=uk

You must go to Holland to obtain parts for the bike:

http://www.cycletours.com/01introduction/introduction.lasso?lang=uk







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Collection on ebay posted by: David on 8/9/2002 at 1:18:56 AM
Lotta nice stuff from Karl in Oregon; Gitane Tour de France, James, old Raleigh GS, Lenton, DL1, etc.
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=2wheels1







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   seventen miyata posted by: Ron on 8/8/2002 at 5:25:44 PM
Does anyone know where the seventen model was in Miyata's lineup? Am told it is a touring frame.What years was it produced?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   seventen miyata posted by Ron on 8/13/2002 at 3:33:04 AM
Oops! I dared to ask a question that wasn't about a Sears Free Spirit or a boat anchor Schwinn.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bates club bike w/ASC posted by: David on 8/8/2002 at 3:06:01 AM
NMA, I wish it were. What a beaut!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1849169950


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bates club bike w/ASC posted by Oscar on 8/8/2002 at 3:55:14 AM
Divorce is a nasty thing, eh?

    Bates club bike w/ASC posted by John E on 8/11/2002 at 11:46:53 PM
That is how I mounted the 3-speed trigger on my 3x4 hybrid (14-16-18-20 cyclo cogset on a Sturmey-Archer epicyclic hub). Campag. Ergo is nothing new!






MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by: Dan on 8/7/2002 at 1:52:23 AM
I found out in an earlier post that the Traveler and Racer
share a similar if not the same frame. So what do I look for
on my spray-canned Schwinn to tell me if it's a Traveler or
a Racer. It's a '58 3spd. coaster brake bike.


   RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by David on 8/7/2002 at 2:34:24 AM
It sounds like the main difference is whether "Traveler" or "Racer" is painted or decalled on the frame. Scrape away!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Dan on 8/7/2002 at 2:45:00 AM
Thats it, only decal's I'm calling mine a "Racer" vr-romm, vr-rommm.

   RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Eric Amlie on 8/7/2002 at 1:11:23 PM
I can't speak for the early-mid fifties Travelers, but the late fifties-mid sixties Travelers had stainless steel fenders (front fender had a peak in front)and the top of the chainguard was chromed.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Dan on 8/7/2002 at 1:39:50 PM
It has stainless steel fenders(w/front peak) were the Racer fenders painted and lacking a front fender peak? If this is the case then I have a '58 Traveler, what would be the value range of a '58 Traveler ?

   RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Eric Amlie on 8/7/2002 at 3:33:51 PM
Yes, the Racer fenders were painted. Later, in the sixties and seventies there was a Deluxe Racer that had chrome plated fenders. The Travelers usually had other "deluxe" equipment like generators and lights on them also. They were the top of the line (except for the Paramount Tourist) 3 speed bikes. For some reason that I don't understand the Racer's seem to bring more money on Ebay than the Travelers. I personally would much prefer a Traveler to a Racer. There is a nice one on ebay right now but I think his price is too high. I will be surprised if he gets a bid.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2126524259

I couldn't speculate on your bikes value. There are just too many variables.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Oscar on 8/7/2002 at 4:00:00 PM
Nice decals on the top tube. It comes with a Miller Lite, too, but I'm teetotal. (Oh, Miller light.)

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Chris on 8/7/2002 at 4:19:21 PM
Some of the Travelers have locking forks, alloy shell A.W. Sturmey hubs, blue paint and red decals and they look lovely. Darned heavy bike. Miller lights and Miller bells. Wonderful.

   RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Eric Amlie on 8/7/2002 at 9:10:53 PM
Here is a nice '65 or '66

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128683875&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1029030750&indexURL=0&rd=1

   RE:RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Wings on 8/8/2002 at 7:45:41 AM
Gently remove the paint on the chain guard to see if you find a name.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Travelers and Racers: How do they differ posted by Bill Putnam on 8/15/2002 at 3:47:57 PM
As a point of reference I had a 1950 Traveller 3 speed. Fenders were painted with the front fender peak. Fork was tubular not the forged style common on later Schwinn's. A pretty bike, but the moment I hefted the fork I knew there was no way this would ever be a lightweight bike.






MISC:   Bike Identification posted by: Greg Behling on 8/6/2002 at 10:52:05 PM
I am currently restoring my childhood bike and would like to identify the model of the bike. It is a 1963-64 Huffy 10-speed road bike with 27 x 1 1/4 chrome wheels. The bike was originally gold and had had a leather saddle. It has a Huret rear derailleur and a Shimano front derailleur. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!


   RE:MISC:   Bike Identification posted by David on 8/7/2002 at 4:20:51 PM
Can you tell if it was made in USA by Huffy or imported by them under their own brand name? If it has a lugged brazed frame it seems VERY unlikely that it's domestic production.

    Bike Identification posted by John E on 8/8/2002 at 1:15:30 AM
Correct. Bear in mind that the Sears Free Spirits of that era were still decent Austrian Steyr-Daimler-Puch products, rather than the more familiar Murray boat anchors. An Ashtabula one-piece crank would be another hint of U.S., rather than European (3-piece European cottered steel crankset) production.

   RE: Bike Identification posted by Greg on 8/8/2002 at 4:54:27 PM
Since I'm in the process of doing a total restoration, I have completely stripped the frame in preparation for repainting. I can verify that brazing was used to join the tublar sections. The frame is steel that appears to have been powder-coated with an aluminum-colored material - where there were scrapes on the frame, minor rusting occurred. Also, the crank is one piece. I'm mostly interested in knowing what model this was called, the years the model ran, and the name of the metallic gold paint color if it had one. The following numbers appear on the crank housing on the bottom of the frame if this helps: 2784 stamped above the numbers 5 W012491. I have been trying to find other Huffys just like it for sale on e-Bay or just doing general searches on Huffy 10-speed for some time and I cannot find anything. I would think that a bike like this would have been commonplace but am finding it difficult to obtain any information on it. Any help is appreciated.

   RE:MISC:   Bike Identification posted by Chris Block on 8/12/2002 at 5:39:38 PM
I have a 1970s mixed frame Peugot (see: http://www.angelfire.com/oh/amygdala/bicycle.html) for photo

I am trying to find out the model number and any information about this bicycle. It has served me very well!

THANKS






WANTED:   campy chainrings posted by: flaco on 8/6/2002 at 7:19:17 PM
for 3 bolt polished STEEL cranks. these rings are riveted together, with 52-42t.never have seen campy cranks like these.they are on an old atala.


   RE:WANTED:   campy chainrings posted by smg on 8/6/2002 at 8:11:04 PM
You have a Campy "Sport" cotterless steel crank, which according to the "Campagnolo Timeline" at the "Classic Rendezvous" site, was introduced in 1971. I inquired here about this crank some time back, and got steered there, along with the word that it had been introduced as a way for cheaper bikes to be advertised as "full Campy". There is also a cotterless alloy crank of similar 3-pin design called the "Nuovo Gran Sport" from 1973, which is almost identical to the 3-pin TA.

I fell in love with this crank because the slender steel arms struck me as being particularly graceful. I found one on eBay which I mated with a TA 3-pin ring for a lightweight internal-gear application. (The BCD is identical at 116mm, but there are some dimensional mismatches that required handfitting.)

I still have the rings, which I think are 51-42. They have the usual scratches and scrapes but the teeth still seem to be in good shape. I rode a few miles on the outer ring before I got the TA chainring, and it seemed OK. Contact me if you're interested.