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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   bike swag posted by: Brian L. on 8/22/2002 at 3:44:21 PM
Received a very interesting document via Fedex last week, a beautiful catalog from "Edward Roberts International, Auctioneers of The Fine and Rare" for a Vintage Motorcycles and Bicycles auction to be held in Chicago September 14 & 15. Great color illustrations and historical data. Major drool factor. List price on the catalog itself is $30. Didn't request it, must have come because I regularly cruise web sites such as this and ebay.

Anyone else receive this catalog or hear of this auction house? For those of you who live in the Chicago area, it may well be worth checking out. The bike that really got me going was a fixed-gear 1938 road Hetchins with amazingly modern geometry.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   bike swag posted by Oscar on 8/23/2002 at 4:19:06 AM
I think this is the same show that I saw at Sotheby's Auction House on Ohio St. in Chicago the last two years. I've seen track bikes, Sting-Rays, Paramounts, Boneshakers, 3 man tandems, Ignatz's own tandem...and then there were the motorcycles.

It's well worth the trip.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   bike swag posted by Schwinnderella on 8/23/2002 at 4:53:29 AM
I did not get a $30.00 catalog ,but you can check out pictures of some of the bikes at www.eriwine.com. It does take awhile to download.






MISC:   Indian Scout track bike posted by: Craig on 8/22/2002 at 11:50:33 AM
I found a "Indian Scout" bike in the trash. It looks like a racing bike sn K75714. From what I've seen so far Indian stopped production of bicyles in mid forties. It has curled bars, a WIN goose neck and 3 piece crank set. The rims have been replaced so I don't know what were the original ones. The color is all black, and the fenders are missing if it had any. Did Indian make bikes in the early fifties?


   RE:MISC:   Indian Scout track bike posted by Jeff R on 8/23/2002 at 11:33:32 PM
The serial number indicates it's a 1952 or 1953. The bike was made by Phillips in England an imported to the states and sold by Indian motorcycle dealers. It came with fenders and Dunlop EA3 26 X 1/38 rims. It had a Sturmey Archer 3 or 4 speed and Northroad handlebars. The bikes were made into the late 50's. When the American Indian Co. in Springfield closed, Royal Enfield motorcycle in England took over the Indian name and sold there motorcycles here with the Indian logo into the 60's

   RE:RE:MISC:   Indian Scout track bike posted by Craig on 8/26/2002 at 11:59:36 AM
Thanks for the information on the bike. I found a similiar bike in the picture data base which gave me a idea of what it looked like. The original owner swapped out the handle bars, removed the fenders and replaced the rims. I had a parts bike that was similiar to it that are now being put on the Indian. When I first looked at it I had no idea what it was. I have another bike to the collection now.






MISC:   Lyotard Pedals posted by: Gralyn on 8/22/2002 at 11:08:23 AM
I stopped by the store (one of my old bike suppliers) where they have jacked-up the prices on their bikes. No surprise to me....none of the bikes had moved...but more had been added....and so, they are just accumulating bikes. I did spot an old Schwinn Suburban - the first one I have seen since I got into the bike thing. I didn't buy it....didn't really have a desire to have one...it was pretty heavy, you know. But, I spotted a saddle sitting over on a shelf. I went over to investigate (once, not at this store, I found a $50 saddle for $2) - well, the saddle turned out to be nothing significant....but I did spot of set of old Lyotard pedals...with toe clips and Christophe straps. I grabbed them up....'cause I am always needing them.







AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Schwinn 1950/1952? posted by: Bill on 8/22/2002 at 1:46:57 AM
I have an old Schwinn mens bike. I have the serial # as well, unfortunately that's all. Well, other than it's red, has a front fender, and a reaer luggage rack, no reaer fender. Serial # is H550341. I checked the schwinn serial chart here at oldraods and this # is not in the series shown as far as I can tell. Can someone help me figure out what my bike is, model, year, etc.
Thanks to whoever hits me first, and second, and so on.







AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by: Kevin K on 8/22/2002 at 1:13:36 AM
Hi all. I was given a bike this evening that has some components on it I've never seen. The brakes are Dura Ace centerpulls. Really old/odd looking. The derailleurs say Shimano Titlest (?) on them. Dirty but look to be in great shape under the crud. The wheelset has Shimano 333 on them. The frame is of no importance but I feel the pieces listed are. Are these first generation Dura Ace items ? Were these centerpulls good brakes ? Thanks all. Kevin K


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by Steven on 8/22/2002 at 3:37:33 PM
I believe that the derailleur will say titleist. It is indeed the first generation Shimano Dura-ace. The brakes are nothing all that great but a great improvement over everything that they offered up until then. It is interesting stuff but not overly collectible

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by Kevin K on 8/22/2002 at 6:59:12 PM
Hi Steven. Thanks for the info. Interesting is more than good enough for me. Kevin

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by Kevin K on 8/22/2002 at 6:59:13 PM
Hi Steven. Thanks for the info. Interesting is more than good enough for me. Kevin

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by Kevin K on 8/22/2002 at 9:02:22 PM
Hi. What year(s) were these items introduced ? Kevin K

     EARLY DURA ACE posted by John E on 8/23/2002 at 1:34:23 AM
The Shimano Titelist front derailleur I installed on my wife's Peugeot dates back to the early 1970s, when Shimano parts often had "333" on them, and SunTour freewheels had "888." The Titelist gear has served us well for almost 30 years.

   RE:  EARLY DURA ACE posted by Steven on 8/23/2002 at 6:51:46 AM
The Titelist is from early 70's the Dura-ace from mid-70's IIRC. The other parts could even date from late 60's for all I know.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by KRB on 8/23/2002 at 4:13:03 PM
I thought that the first generation Dura Ace derailleur was the one designated "Crane."

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by Walter on 8/23/2002 at 9:10:26 PM
So did I.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by Steven on 8/24/2002 at 2:04:56 PM
Oops! You are right! It is the Crane that was in my mind, but the reference to the Titleist confused me. Shimano brought out a 25 anniversary Dura-ace group (a bit like Campagnolo 59th anniversary) in 1998, so the first Dura-ace dates from 1973.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: EARLY DURA ACE posted by Steve Palincsar on 8/25/2002 at 10:18:16 PM
According to the article on Shimano on the Classic Rendezvous site, the first Dura Ace derailluers were the Crane and the Crane GS (long cage version). I believe the Titleist was extremely similar to the Crane in design but wasn't as nicely finished and and as light - perhaps had a mix of steel and aluminum. I'm almost 99% sure it was a Titleist I had on my Paramount for a year or two, until it got very sloppy shifting, sometime around 1973 or 1974.






AGE / VALUE:   EARLY DURA ACE posted by: Kevin K on 8/22/2002 at 1:13:36 AM
Hi all. I was given a bike this evening that has some components on it I've never seen. The brakes are Dura Ace centerpulls. Really old/odd looking. The derailleurs say Shimano Titlest (?) on them. Dirty but look to be in great shape under the crud. The wheelset has Shimano 333 on them. The frame is of no importance but I feel the pieces listed are. Are these first generation Dura Ace items ? Were these centerpulls good brakes ? Thanks all. Kevin K







AGE / VALUE:   Fuji BERKELEY 10 speed posted by: Robert A. Deming on 8/21/2002 at 3:39:32 AM
Two summers ago I purchased a Fuji Berkeley 10 speed. What seems to be a cross of a tour/mtn. bike has 1 1/8 inch tires and 27 inch rims, mtn. bike handle bars. granny spring seat. Fuji stamped on top of the forks, Fuji emblem on the neck, and Fuji VALite tubing printed on the frame. I've never seen another like it. I cant seem to find any information on it, and was wondering about what year it was made, what type of bike it is, and how much it retailed for when it came out? This has been a great bike for me, and I have enjoyed it very much. I even gave up a Motobecane Super Marriage for it. (may have been a mistake monetary wise) but I just love the comfortable way it rides. Any information to the Fuji Berkeley 10 speed would be greatly appreciated. Thank You if you can give me any feed back on it too. Sincerely yours, radpoet1@aol.com a.k.a.Bob


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji BERKELEY 10 speed posted by Darryl on 8/21/2002 at 5:50:03 PM
I have info from the Fuji Catalog #13(1983). The retail price then was about $190. I will list the components per catalog later tonight when I have more time. I don't think the components you listed are all original.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji BERKELEY 10 speed posted by Darryl on 8/22/2002 at 2:43:59 AM
The 1983 catalog shows the Berkeley with:
Fuji Valite 414 tubing
Nitto drop handlebars
Dia Compe 500 brakes w/safety levers
Sugino crankset
Sun Tour derailleurs
Five speed 14 16 19 24 28T
MKS pedals
UKAI Rims steel 27 x 1 1/4"
Hubs - Sunshine
Fujita vinyl padded saddle
Color - steel blue
Weight - 29.5 lbs.
1983 is the oldest Fuji catalog I have.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji BERKELEY 10 speed posted by Darryl on 8/22/2002 at 2:47:13 AM
The 1983 catalog shows the Berkeley with:
Fuji Valite 414 tubing
Nitto drop handlebars
Dia Compe 500 brakes w/safety levers
Sugino crankset
Sun Tour derailleurs
Five speed 14 16 19 24 28T
MKS pedals
UKAI Rims steel 27 x 1 1/4"
Hubs - Sunshine
Fujita vinyl padded saddle
Color - steel blue
Weight - 29.5 lbs.
1983 is the oldest Fuji catalog I have.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji BERKELEY 10 speed posted by David on 8/24/2002 at 10:06:04 PM
"Berkeley" doesn't appear in my c. 1975 Fuji catalog.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Huret dropout adjusters posted by: David on 8/20/2002 at 4:49:54 PM
Silly me; I thought Campy dropout adjusters would work in the Huret dropouts of my old Raleigh Comp. Anyone know where to find them? Or what thread dimensions they use?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Huret dropout adjusters posted by Bill Putnam on 8/21/2002 at 2:19:33 PM
I got a pair from Andy Muzi at the Yellow Jersey bike shop in Madison, WI (US). See www.yellowjersey.org or email mail@yellowjersey.org

The dropouts are plain holes, and there are small threaded plastic inserts that sit between the axle and the rear of the drop out. Much less prone to rusting and breaking off than the Campy ones.

Bill Putnam






AGE / VALUE:   Puch Super-Sprint posted by: Rob Walling on 8/20/2002 at 11:42:33 AM
I have come by a bike with the branding 'Puch Super-sprint' and have been looking for any information that I can find, however I only seem to be able to get Moped details. Would anyone be able to help me. The gearing system is a 5 gear 'Simplex'.


   Puch Super-Sprint posted by John E on 8/21/2002 at 9:05:36 PM
Puch bicycles (and mopeds) were made by Steyr-Daimler-Puch, of Graz Austria. The frames tend to be well-made and durable, although the 5-speed Simplex gear hints at a lower-end model, presumably with a plain carbon steel frame. Take care of the bottom bracket, as Swiss-threaded BB cups are getting scarce.

The most collectible S-D-P bicycles are probably the Austro-Daimler Vent Noirs.






AGE / VALUE:   frejus posted by: joe on 8/20/2002 at 12:45:12 AM
Hi I recently bought a Frejus tour de france at the lars anderson bike show .I came with full campy nouvo record and universal brakes.it seeemed very light. Does any body know if all tour de france frejus faulk tubing or if some were reynolds tubing.Also does any one know of were to get the greenish paint frejus and legnano used? thank you.







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Aluminum fenders posted by: David on 8/19/2002 at 2:01:51 PM
At the Larz Anderson show yesterday, I saw several old French and Italian bikes with the most beautiful aluminum fenders. They appeared to be hand-made, with a wonderful pattern of peen marks. Anyone have some more info on these? Does anyone still make them?


   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Aluminum fenders posted by Chris on 8/22/2002 at 9:26:22 PM
Lady Luck herself has sweetly kissed me on my dirty forehead because I have found these fenders on some of my hunts. I mailed a set to a pal who doubted me. I said
"So you think I'm joking about the Le-fol mudguards huh? I sent a set to him and we talked old, French mudguards and we still have them on our bikes.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Aluminum fenders posted by Jimbo Jones on 8/20/2002 at 6:53:18 AM
One guy on ebay had a bunch of them about a month ago . Seems to me they came with a colored stripe down the center of a narrow flat section. Seemed to me to be made by a company that made other styles . Bleu Bremmels or something like that.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Aluminum fenders posted by Jimbo Jones on 8/20/2002 at 7:04:19 AM
Found them. Called Lefol. Going for about 130.00 1950s.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Aluminum fenders posted by Don on 8/21/2002 at 4:54:24 PM
You might also try Honjo fenders. Available in hammered (fish scale) & shiny smooth styles. They are similar to the French & look great but are hard to mount (you have to drill holes to mount the stays on the fender) & their shape doesn't give maximum clearance. Don H

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Aluminum fenders posted by Ray on 8/23/2002 at 9:16:48 PM
Does anyone know of a reliable source for Honjo fenders, tried Bicycle Classics, Rivendell, etc. Lots of references to them, but only one place to purchase them, shiny, smooth ones on a Japanese site, but no hammered ones.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Aluminum fenders posted by Steve Palincsar on 8/25/2002 at 10:23:24 PM
A US source for Honjo fenders is:

JITENSHA STUDIO
2250 Bancroft Way
Berkeley, Calif. 94704
510-540-6240

http://www.jitensha.com/eng/fndrs_e.html

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Aluminum fenders posted by Ray on 9/3/2002 at 7:08:23 PM
Thanks. They have the smooth ones, but not hammered.






AGE / VALUE:   Saronni (?) Frameset posted by: dafydd on 8/19/2002 at 3:55:35 AM
Just acquired a "Saronni" frameset, painted in a checked-to-solid red pattern on top of chrome. Tubing Columbus, but decals are too ruined to make out type, and I don't know anything about Columbus. The main tubes have a fluted look to them; is this maybe SLX? Short-point lugs, with heart-like cutouts in the points on the head tube. Dropouts look like Campy but are not stamped. Braze on for front derailleur, Shimano 600 HS, Campy BB. Here's the "odd stuff," at least for something with an Italian look: seatpost diameter appears to be 26.4 (tube has not been squeezed) and BB is English. I haven't been able to find anything on these machines; does anyone have any information? Also, the bearings in the HS appear to be sealed; can these be overhauled or are they throways?

thanks,
d.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Saronni (?) Frameset posted by David G. White on 9/4/2002 at 4:25:50 AM
Saronni was made by Colnago. Check the scanned Colnago catalogs at
http://www.bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/








VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1978 Schwinn Le Tour III 27 inch posted by: Larry Rankin on 8/19/2002 at 12:59:30 AM
I have just gotten down my Pearl Orange 1978 27 inch Le Tour III from the garage rafters. The tubes and tires will still hold 85 psi. A can of WD-40 later I was happily riding the bikepath, changing gears and braking just fine. With some luck and some information, and a few scheckles, I can bring her back. My questions are about parts, part numbers, etc.
It has a stem mounted Shimano Unishift shifter. The exposed cable is corroded and falls apart on any attempt to touch. The cables function for now, but replacements are needed.
I have found the Schwinn Lightweight Data Book and know the derailleurs model number, but no part number. I have not found raw cable sizes either. I would assume metric. Anyone
found sources? THX


   Pearl Orange posted by Oscar on 8/19/2002 at 3:20:32 AM
That Pearl Orange is such an eyecatching color. Things like cables, cable housing, brake shoes, chains are all easily available in bike shops. One size still fits all (mostly). I don't think your bike is old enough or chi-chi enough to worry about "period-correct" housing.

For a few sheckles, I would get the hubs, headset, and bottom bracket bearings cleaned and repacked, and see about new brakeshoes. Inspect the tires. 85psi is good on wide road tires suitable for long tours and rough pavement.






AGE / VALUE:   bottecchia pro posted by: mark on 8/17/2002 at 8:42:22 PM
Hi recently on ebay i noticed a bottecchia pro with 1600.00 plus as the starting bid.I own the similar bike in better shape. This price looks rather high to me or is that the going rate. Thank You.







AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 1951 Lenton ..??? posted by: Michael on 8/17/2002 at 2:34:47 PM
HI. I would like some help identifying my old Raleigh. Its a green 3-speed with Reynolds 531 frame, celluloid fenders, aluminum rims and chain guard, leather saddle, Miller generator/light set, and leather seat bag. The bike is all original and is fairly scuffed up, but I've been riding it everywhere for the last 2 years. I'd like more info on it. I might sell it, as it is really too small for my 6'3" self.

Any help would be appreciated!

Michael


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Club Racer posted by Walter on 8/18/2002 at 1:15:48 PM
You have a nice bike. Does it have drop bars? The Lentons were, as I understand it, "club racers." Used in time trials before derailleur bikes became real popular. Fenders, generators and etc. would be removed for the TT and then put back on for the ride home.

If yours is 531 it is a pure bred and may well be a "super" Lenton. I wonder if the rims are original? Steel Dunlops were the common choice but I'm not an expert.

To cut to the chase I'm pretty sure your bike would draw decent money if on eBay or some other place where it could be seen by collectors.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Club Racer posted by Michael on 8/18/2002 at 2:20:14 PM
Thanks for the comments. The handlebars are not drop style. They are upright, and have one 90 degree bend, which hit you in the legs when you turn.. Maybe they're not original(?)

Michael

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Club Racer posted by Oscar on 8/19/2002 at 3:35:46 AM
Lot of club bikes had upright Northroads bars. Sometimes a sporty lad would turn the handlebar upsidedown for a lower position. I always liked that look, but it never worked for any of my bikes.

Maybe your knee hits the bar because the bike is small for you. These bikes usually had pretty tall stems, so maybe you can get it to (almost) fit.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 1951 Lenton ..??? posted by michael on 8/21/2002 at 10:29:47 PM
Hi again...
Still wondering if there's someone who could tell me more about my '51 Raleigh (see description above)....???

Michael