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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Modiale posted by: Eric on 10/10/2003 at 1:29:07 AM
I saw another question on this site about the Bianchi Modiale from the mid eighties. Is anyone familiar with this bike? Is it collectable? I found one in perfect shape for a few hundred dollars with all Campy stuff. It rides well and looks like new. Any comments from the experts out there? thanx.







AGE / VALUE:   Fuji Grand SE posted by: Gralyn on 10/10/2003 at 12:57:01 AM
Well, I had just finished up the Nishiki Olympic....and was thinking about what my next project should be. I have several projects waiting in-line - should I not come across any more bikes for a while. I had decided on the Sekai. But, today I made a regular stop at a local thrift store and spotted a Fuji. It's a Grand SE. It has ChroMo frame, Sun Tour shifters and clamps, Dia Compe center pull brakes and levers with safety levers. The rest of all the components: bars, ders, cranks, are "Fuji" branded. The rims are Sunshine, the rims are Ukarim...or something like that (chrome - not aluminum alloy). It's black with gold pin striping around each lug, with nice Fuji decals, a riveted metal Fuji head badge. The fork is 1/2 chrome. The saddle has that diamond-shaped vinyl padding on top...except that is a lot smaller diamond pattern than what the old Nishiki had. QR on front only. 6-Speed rear. I think it will clean up nicely. It's probably late 70's / early 80's. It's a fairly typical bike - it will be fun working on it. But, I'm still keeping my eyes open for something unusual!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji Grand SE posted by JONathan on 10/10/2003 at 3:19:29 AM
All Fuji's are real fine builds. Usually there is a sticker on the seat-tube. Tange was one steel tubing. The higher grades are very light.
I'm always looking for any Fuji. I ride my Team Fuji mid-80's on a hilly 30 miler which has some of the steepest hills around the coast range heree in N. Ca.
Real tight ride! If the SE is anything close, you have a great sport bike. Campy front wheel made a big difference on mine when I changed out the squeaky wheel.
I saw a blue SE that was run pretty hard by the looks of the train and paint, but the guy was still pushing it. That is the test. How much are they going for?
I never see them in thrift or rummage sales. Everybody seems to hang on to them.
JONathan

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji Grand SE posted by Brian on 10/10/2003 at 1:14:46 PM
Early year Fuji top-line bikes..very under appreciated. I've lived long enough to remember when "Made in Japan" was viewed by consumers as like "Made in Taiwan" today. I remember the shift toward high quality in most things Japanese..think Nikon! One of my first quality bikes was a Fuji Finest/Newest/Professional from the very early 1970's -a very well constructed & finished lugged frameset with those nice Sugino/Suntour components. I cannot speak for the Fuji's after the late 70's, but if you find an early top-line model for cheap - run, don't walk to the seller.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji Grand SE posted by Dave on 10/10/2003 at 10:29:25 PM
Yes a friend named Craig had a 61cm frame not a top end model but very nicely constructed with double butted "Val-Lite tubing which I understand Fuji made themselves. I has Suntour AX derailers,Dia-Comp centerpull brakes and a bolt on rear hub but after a very minor tuneup he can really fly on it. His is a early '80's model and was very impressed with it.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Miele information posted by: Randy on 10/9/2003 at 10:35:50 PM
Thanks for the offered help on identifying the model Miele that I was lucky enough to find. I now know that the bicycle is Canadian. this information came from a fellow who used to sell them. But I still don't know what model the bicycle is. It sports a complete Exage Sport component group, 700c wheels, Tange double butted frame and it has a really nice set of chrome forks. It looks to me like the model decal begins with a "D". Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Miele information posted by T-Mar on 10/10/2003 at 2:04:38 PM
That's the Doral, an intermediate, sports model from the late 1980's. It's a good bicycle.






AGE / VALUE:   Crescent posted by: Rob on 10/9/2003 at 8:59:01 PM
Well...I finally got one...a Crescent, a Swedish bike built by MCB...I've kept a lookout for a couple of years now, to pick up one for cheap $$...This one was on an LBS junkpile, so it was real cheap....$0....

Everything is there, except the wheels...it's a bit tired looking, but I think it's salvagable...I did notice a very slight "sway" in one of the seat stays, but I don't think its fatal. The bike seems a bit strange to me...the forks clearly say Reynold 531, but the main frame sticker is long gone covered over with a some sort of clear cartoon type decal featuring "Goofy". I'm guessing the main frame may be straight gauge 531??? Anyone know?? The construction is lugless, and the brazing actually looks a bit sloppy...I checked the Sheldon Brown site...they talk about sloppy workmanship, as well... In inch high (probably 2cm high, since this is a Swedish bike)letters on both sides of the top tube is the rather immodest caption, "VARLDSMASTARCYKEL", Swedish, I would guess, for the "World's Best Bicycle". A municipal licence decal expiring 31 Aug 1974, suggests the bike may have been new in the spring of 1974...no evidence of layered decals. Even without the wheels and freewheel, the bike is heavy. It has a huge steel Ashtabula double crank, yet it has nice looking alloy bars. The ders. are Huret Alvit...front der. is broken, but I'll likely have a replacment in my parts stash...short steel Huret shifters. It's got a bunch of those mid-70's anti-theft stickers, which I'll have to get off somehow. Those old anti-theft campaigns now seem a bit quaint...now the police response is more like, "If you don't want it stolen, use a good lock and keep it out of sight." Except for insurance requirements, I don't think people bother reporting a lot of this petty theft anymore...

Well...another project....


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Crescent posted by Walter on 10/10/2003 at 12:44:31 AM
The Ashtabula crank throws me for a bit of a loop. Not too many Euro bikes with that BB/crank setup.

Schwinn did make some nice framesets with that crank but everything else I've seen is hi-ten steel. If it is a nice frame you might consider a conversion BB so you could use a 3 pc crank.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Crescent posted by Rob on 10/10/2003 at 3:10:48 AM
Yeah...I wonder about the crank too...but I have seen this same crank on other Crescents...I wonder what the threading is in the BB and the diameter? Also a correction on the municipal license decals...there actual is more than one... I could make out two others...someone was very neat...the colors are orange (1974) on top, then green, then blue,so that might put it back to 1971 or 72... I guess it's a long shot to ask if anyone knows the color sequence for City of Vancouver bike license decals in the early '70s??

Also...Weinmann cps; steel Titan stem and alloy Titan bars...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Crescent posted by JONathan on 10/10/2003 at 6:48:41 AM
I checked out a Norwegian DBS that had the forged steel one-piece crank. Very interesting bike. The crank was unusual in that the bearing cover rotated with the spindle.
Did not look likea standard brew, except the train was Japanese along with the brakes.
The rear dropouts were thin pressed steel. Looked like a no nonsense ride built for work rather than glamour. I have not seen that brand in the states.
The Ashtabula cranks are certainly strong enough and definitely low maintennace compared to multipiece units.
Why did the one-piece disappear from all but cellar bikes? They are better than cottered cranks and they are way stronger than all the TOL Al-alloy cranks. I mean the one-piece could be modernized to be greatly improved from what we have now.
Maybe it will happen. Bicycles keep evolving...and revisiting past concepts with a new twist, occasionally.
JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Crescent posted by Dave on 10/10/2003 at 10:35:25 PM
I agree with you , Jonathan. They sole option now are BMX one piece cranks but these do have several lengths available. They do still weigh a ton but are really strong which is why I ride a Varsity for commuting,(esp. after snapping an old Campy LH crankarm in two!). Just my 2c's.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:    posted by: Ken on 10/9/2003 at 6:40:19 PM
I'm seeking info, age and ("lineup position"?) on a Raleigh Royale. 27" wheels, drop bars, Simplex derailleurs, half-step cottered crankset, pump pegs under top tube, GB centerpulls, lamp bracket mount on fork. I see some resemblance to the "Blue Streak" in the '62 catalog on RetroRaleighs, but it's bronze green, and all the models in those pages show the pump on the downtube. Can someone place this model for me?







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice Motobecane - FREE! posted by: Brian L. on 10/9/2003 at 6:20:33 PM
Motobecane “Grand Touring”:
Frame: 60 cm C-T, 58 cm C-C, Vitus double-butted main tubes, forged Huret rear DO w/ integral cable stop and eyelets, ½-chrome front fork w/ eyelets, brazed on rear brake cable guides and chain hanger, nice pointed lugs w/ windows, nice gold paint with brown pin-stripe and contrasting head tube, riveted head badge. Components are mostly SunTour: SL fr derailler, VGT Luxe long-cage rear, Power-ratchet DT shifters, Moto-pantograph stem, no-name bar, SR 170x118 crank w/ 52/42 rings and MKS pedals, Weinman Vanqueur 610 calipers and Diacompe levers, unmarked alloy 27” rims on HF no-name hubs w/ quick-release, wide-range FW. Missing: cables, seatpost, saddle and binder bolt, DO adjuster screws.

Kobe “Cobra”:
Frame: 58 cm C-T, 58 cm C-C, 1020 dbl-butted main tubes, forged SunTour Dos, ok silver paint and decals. Components are mostly SunTour: NSL fr derailleur, VX rear long-cage, Power-ratchet DT shifters, no-name stem and some kind of engraved bar, Diacompe ‘G’ sidepull calipers and drilled levers, miss-matched 27” alloy rims and LF hubs w/ QR. Missing: binder bolt, cranks, pedals and cables. 110 52/42 rings included.

Must take BOTH bikes, pick up in Seattle, Greenlake. Contact me at posted email, or at my direct line at work: (206) 826-0332.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice Motobecane - FREE! posted by JONathan on 10/9/2003 at 11:17:25 PM
Nice offer. I just got a Moto "Grand Touring" for $20. Gunmetal grey color paint that is very new looking. Problem was a bent blade and a snapped SunTour fr. derailer arm. That could explain the new condition of the rest of the bike.
I figure the chain got jammed into the chainwheel which may have caused a loss of control leading to a collision with a solid obstacle that bent the fork blade. Who knows, who cares? I got it anyway to add to my burgeoning family of French bikes.
There was a mate to this one that had the same setup except the decal for the tubes was different and the frame size was too small for me.
A Frenchman bought that one for $20. I didn't notice the damaged features until I started to push it to the truck. I decided that the charity was worth the $20, so I didn't go back to haggle over it. I was down about it, but the derailer is nothing and the fork blade looks salvageable enough to be worth a try. The tubes are "2040" hi-resiliency steel...whatever that is. The other bike nmay have been Vitus 2xbutted!
The other guy was reminded of "home" with his find. Mine has alloy wheels that are concave, made in Belgium...Weinmann? The other one had an unmatched set, one Araya and one reinforced spoke eyes (rear). Both wre SunTour "V"'s and Weinmann Vainqueurs cp's.
Northern Ca. is a bit of a haul, or I would take up the offer. Very generous, ondeed.
I can't wait to see how this rides compared to my "Super Mirage".
Anybody know which was higher up in the chain?
Tom?
I also have a Kobe "cobra" which is a great bike with bar-emd shifters and double-butted cro-mo frame. Too small for me, but it is a loner for friends who need a spritely ride for a quick tour of the bikepaths.
Who made the Kobes? I wonder if it was Maeda..I think there was a factory of some type in Kobe. Just windering.
JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice Motobecane - FREE! posted by Rob on 10/10/2003 at 12:39:52 AM
JONathan...I've got a few sets of those concave rims...they are Weinmann...I think they're OK...nothing special...a bit wide...dirt collectors, too, from my experience...but they get the job done...I'm pretty close to Seattle...that Moto is tempting...but, alas, the frame is just too tall for me...I have heard of Kobe but don't know anything about them...the frame size is at the far end of my size...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice Motobecane - FREE! posted by JONathan on 10/10/2003 at 3:48:20 AM
Rob, they are Weinmanns. The dirt was a bit thick in the trough and the stamp was light. I cleaned the rims and saw the Weinmann just to the left of "Made in Belgium"
The front wheel was true! Now, I suspect that someone kicked the forks and fr. derailer, because everything else is fine. I bent the fork blade straight and I must have done OK based on the usual test ride for fork trueness.
I removed the broken SunTour SL derialer and taped the cable to the seat-tube. Then new wheels went on for the test ride. I was too excited to fix the tires so i just swapped a standby set for road testing as it was getting dark.
Man, what a great ride! 40 inch wheel base is 3 inches less than my "Super Mirage". The leather seat has a "M", I think, with "professional" inscribed beneath the "M". Pivo bars, SR stem, Takagi cranks (Moto branded). I have not ried the rigorous road test which involves tight moves on a section of the path that I have dialed in for this purpose, but it ranks high on the initial, general tests.
It damps out the rough blacktop real nice. I don't know if the Motos copied the Japanese or the other way around, but the "Grand Touring" is a cut above the usual continental mid-range bikes of the '70's....IMHO, of course.
Thanks for that bit on the Weinmanns. I gues I'll refit with new tires and use them.
JONathan
BTW, after fiddle-faddling with getting the fork blade straight I decided to make a tool. 2x4 oak with a hole bored to accept the steerer, then a sawed off crown from a junker as a mold, mark and router the relief pattern, bandsaw in half along the long axis. That holds the fork crown while in the vise. You can work any direction on either blade independently and with minimal loading on the steerer.
I love the vintage LW's!






AGE / VALUE:   Mondia/Takara posted by: Birddog on 10/9/2003 at 1:22:39 PM

I had occasion to speak with a fellow that I knew to be around bicycles and racing back in the 70's and I asked him if he knew of Mondia. He said he did and pronounced it Mon DEE a, and also mentioned he knew a guy who raced one. I told him mine had an "over the top" paint job and he laughed, and said he knew what I was talking about, although from his description they got even worse in the later 70's, maybe 80's. He also mentioned when I told him what bad shape it was in paint wise, that they used lacquer back then, and that's why it was probably in poor condition. He got quite a chuckle out of my relating it's components, esp the Mafac Racer's.

I've determined that it has to have a paint job in the near future, and I'm not too hot on reproducing the tri-color fade. Is it a bad thing to deviate from the original on such a bike? I'm thinking of just reproducing the red/burgundy color, the pinstriping, "Mondia Special" decal , and pinstriping the lugs. I think that would look verrrrry nice. The white and blue fade into red/burgundy doesn't do too much for me. I just don't want to screw it up. I figure this will cost me $300 to $400 , either way, so I'll do what's best for restoration value, if there really is any. I plan on riding this thing, not just putting it on display, it won't compete with my Serotta Atlanta for prime time, but it will get ridden just the same. I'd appreciate any thoughts on this, bear in mind that it NEEDS paint anyway. Since it is pretty much a touring geometry,I may put those fenders on it too, not so sure about this though, because after paint, I may not want to ride it in bad weather.

I guess my Takara, is a case of a mediocre frame with semi-decent components, is that about right? I'm thinking about just stripping it down to the essentials (saving it all of course) and converting it to a fixed gear.
Thanks,
Birddog


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mondia/Takara posted by JONathan on 10/9/2003 at 3:11:27 PM
I think the "dissolved" paint scheme was ahead of the times. Too bad about the durability factor being so low.
If I was keeping it as a collection piece, the paint would stay as it is with an attempt to preserve the paint from getting worse.
As a ride, I would go economy minded for paint. I have thought about a fixie conversion for myself using a frame with low BB drop.
There are some knowing individuals who have made this work, who have posted earlier. Check the archives..."fixed" or "fixie", etc.
As I see the problem, the big issue is cornering without touching bottom with the pedals. You have crank length as an issue and BB-drop as another factor.
I had picked out a 165mm crank set...here millimeters makes a difference! I can't tell the difference in a normal setup.
Personally, I would only use a nutted rear axle. I have a Schwinn "Le Tour II" from late '70's that is my candidate.
Good luck.
JONathan

   repainting posted by John E on 10/9/2003 at 3:30:04 PM
I remember Mondias from the early 1970s. With its long-wheelbased Reynolds 531 frame, your Mondia is alot like my Capo. After spending a few hundred dollars on a sharp-looking professional paint/decal job, I have retired the Capo from the daily practical transportation grind, which I have relegated to the two Peugeots.

   Re: low BB drop posted by JONathan on 10/9/2003 at 3:31:15 PM
The term "low BB drop" strikes me as an oxymoron. Maybe "small" is a better descriptor.
Mainly, it is more on a touring frame for lower center of gravity, among other effects and it is smaller on bikes that need ground clearance, such as MTB's.
As I see it, it is the distance measured from an imaginary horizontal plane through the rear axle to the bottom bracket. For an equivalent drop in a touring bike and a road bike geometry the angle would be greater between the two points in the road bike. I am not sure what this means in terms of performance.
Anybody?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mondia/Takara posted by Keith on 10/9/2003 at 4:04:54 PM
A young woman in the local racing club here rode a Mondia. I always heard it pronounced with the accent on the first syllable, but that could be a regional mispronunciation (we pretty much all still mispronounce Campagnolo -- call Campy and you'll hear it right). Mike Kone's old list pegs a "guideline" (original stuff and original paint with only about 4000 miles of wear) Mondia with Campy NR at $750-800. I'd think that although a non-original paintjob detracts somewhat from value, since the finish on yours is already rough it's probabaly worth it. I guess the best reason to do it is because you really like the bike and want to. I'd think the resale value of the bike might be fairly low with the current rough paint, and would be higher with beautiful albeit non-original paint. Whether it would be $350-400 higher is a good question. Reproducing the fade could be expensive. I personally wouldn't have a problem in this case with a paint scheme that deviates from the original, if the fade paint is too expensive or just plain doesn't suit you. It's not like this is a prime year Masi or Cinelli that has to be preverved as perfectly original at all costs. Sounds to me like you'd be happy having a nice looking vintage bike to ride once in a while. It doesn't have to be perfectly original to fit that bill. I'm also pleased to see you're not embarrased to reveal here that you ride a contemporary bike too. So do I.

   RE:Re: low BB drop posted by Keith on 10/9/2003 at 4:16:51 PM
BB drop is measured from the center of the BB to a horizontal line running through the center of the hubs. Here's a fun article on BB height: http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/rr_stilstep.html

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mondia/Takara posted by John S on 10/15/2003 at 9:08:12 PM
Resources for repaint: CycleArt, very expensive, Joe Bell in San Diego, Brian Bayless in So.Cal?.. I know Ed Litton in Richmond CA is having decals made, may be only source for these. He has some Mondia's to redo, says he will start with single colour, not the fades.






AGE / VALUE:   Miele posted by: Randy on 10/9/2003 at 11:05:19 AM
Picked up a nice Miele last week for ten dollars. The bike rides just great and I plan to keep it for myself. I am not sure what model it is, the model decal is all but gone. I do not know where the bicycle was made. I was told that they were Canadian manufactured but I thought that they were Italian. Any information on this old jem would be much appreciated. I plan a full restoration and a set of decals are already on their way to my place. If it helps, I will post pictures on my vintage bicycle web site. Thanks and as some of you say, from time to time, "keep the rubber side down". Safe riding.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Miele posted by T-Mar on 10/9/2003 at 12:03:29 PM
If you post the component mix and date it using the components, I can probably identify the model.






AGE / VALUE:   Raymond Poulidor: Mercier Special posted by: Jason on 10/9/2003 at 10:20:57 AM
Anyone has any info about this Mercier model? It is a "Raymond Poulidor Special" made by Mercier. Anything at all would be appreciated. It seems like an interesting bike, but not a real high end bike. I have not been able to find any info on it yet. Thanks


     Raymond Poulidor: Mercier Special posted by John E on 10/9/2003 at 3:34:09 PM
What are the tubing composition stickers, if any? What are/were the original components? As has been reported elsewhere, Mercier exported a Peugeot UO-8 equivalent (Model 100, if I recall correctly) and a PX-10 equivalent (Model 300?). The latter, owned by one of my 1972 Double Century team mates, was a very respectable bicycle.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raymond Poulidor: Mercier Special posted by Keith on 10/9/2003 at 4:26:27 PM
FWIW Raymond Poulidor was a prominant French racer in the 60s and 70s. He never won the TDF but was on the podium many times. His long career spanned those of Anquitil and Merckx.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raymond Poulidor: Mercier Special posted by JONathan on 10/9/2003 at 11:29:09 PM
I spent a bunch of time on a Mercier with the Poulidor decal plastering up the whole seat-tube. Cool, retro look about it, over the top, camp, etc.
I believe it is like the Peugeot UO-8 genre only maybe slightly more robust. This one had been abused, but it was worth the trouble to fix up, looking back. It has a character unique to itself.
It is this character that makes it stand out. Like; "Hey, what's that one over there in the corner"? I dig it because it was my biggest makeover of a bike, to date and it looks tough, real tough.
I think the little nicks and scuffs add to the appearance...wierd as it may sound.
I guess it would be like the "100" series, just a guess.
JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raymond Poulidor: Mercier Special posted by Dave on 10/10/2003 at 10:50:24 PM
This Vintage LW sickness started for me with a '72 Mercier I was given with that same huge Polidor decal,(Model 100?). The bike was in poor shape cosmetically;wheels and bottom bracket were toast. But after a rebuilt with alloy 700c's,rethreaded BB with a new crankset and paint touchup I had a 22lb bike that glides over bumps. Another nice feature is the forks are English threaded which may be a good thing since Johathan's and another one I saw had a bent steerer. A nice find indeed!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raymond Poulidor: Mercier Special posted by JONathan on 10/12/2003 at 8:15:00 PM
Yes, I tired a backup fork set from a Centurion and it appeared to fit, except the brake hanger took up the threads makig the locknit impossible to thread on, but I could go with side-pulls or get a longer fork-set (for 25 in. frame) and it would be fine, I think.






MISC:   Czech bikes posted by: Gary Main on 10/8/2003 at 4:12:18 PM
i had a Checkolslovakian made road bike in the shop. it was near mint, but a real cheap bike, with bad tires. Guy comes in and wants it he is a Czech emmigrant. so we make the deal, and he writes me a check.
following day i try to cas hit and its bad..
SO
I got a Bad Check from a Bad Czech for a Bad Czech!!


    Czech bikes posted by John E on 10/8/2003 at 5:17:28 PM
That reminds me of the (apocryphal?) World War II story about a coded message from an Eastern European Jew looking for a secure hiding place: "Can you cache a small Czech?"

   RE: Czech bikes posted by Oscar on 10/8/2003 at 6:39:26 PM
And I am reminded of a story from Latin class. During the days of the British Empire, an English general wanted to report that he has occupied Sindh, but did not want the info falling into the enemy's hands.

He sent a single word message to his superiors: Peccavi, which is Latin for "I have sinned".

   RE:MISC:   Czech bikes posted by Rob on 10/9/2003 at 5:52:32 PM
Interesting...I've heard during WW II, in Europe, the US Army used native American languages (Navajo, in the story I heard) to pass intelligence reports over the airwaves...I don't recall if the enemy eventually figured it out...

   RE:RE:MISC:   Czech bikes posted by gary m on 10/9/2003 at 10:58:43 PM
navajo code was never comprimised from what i have heard and read






MISC:   Krean Bikes?? posted by: Bryant on 10/8/2003 at 11:42:30 AM
Hi all. I'm off to South Korea for two weeks and I'm wondering, I don't hear anything about Korean bikes. I would guess they make them but maybe not for the American market. Anyway, is there anything I should be looking for over there??


   RE:MISC:   Krean Bikes?? posted by sam on 10/9/2003 at 2:07:48 AM
I've seen Kia bikes for sale at goodwill---always passed!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Krean Bikes?? posted by Corey on 10/9/2003 at 5:50:49 AM
Raleigh sourced some entry level hybrids from there for a brief time in 1991. They were fairly awful. The paint quality was inconsistent, and the brakes could never be properly adjusted.

   RE:MISC:   Krean Bikes?? posted by T-Mar on 10/9/2003 at 12:08:22 PM
Some Concord and C. Itoh / Itoh models were also manufactured in Korea.

   RE:MISC:   Krean Bikes?? posted by Rob on 10/10/2003 at 5:13:51 PM
Korean bikes...hmmm... I've got one in my herd...a twelve-speed hybrid from about 1989...it was bought at a hardware store in Toronto...Home Hardware or Ace??...their house brand... Kind of a monster of a bike...I don't think it had any alloy parts...weighs a ton...I use it once in a while on trails....I will say it goes downhill real nice, every seems to smooth out and it really moves...the 'flywheel' principle, no doubt...I guess that means it's fairly well put together, if not all that finessed...kind of like Hyundais...:)... I don't know if they made anything that would qualify as a vintage lightweight...

   RE:RE:MISC:   Krean Bikes?? posted by fred on 10/19/2003 at 9:46:33 PM
i had one given to me.a 1978.nothing special.
its in the dump now.






AGE / VALUE:   Winnipeg bound posted by: Randy on 10/8/2003 at 11:14:49 AM
I will be visiting Winnipeg this coming weekend. I know at least one of the people who share this forum is from Winnipeg. If you want to touch base, e-mail me your phone number and any interests for bike stuff and we might have an opportunity to get together. I will call when I get to the Peg. Thanks.







FOR SALE:   Kawamura Bridgestone Disk Brake 10 sp posted by: Gary Main on 10/8/2003 at 5:03:43 AM
This complete and all original Bridgestone Disk Brake 10 sp will go on ebay tomorrow, will add pics and URL







FOR SALE:   Schwinn World Voyageur on EBAY posted by: Gary Main on 10/8/2003 at 5:00:12 AM
well its time for this one to fly. hope somone likes it, its not cheap. but its a nice peice, by anyones standards.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2195830539&category=35961







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record posted by: john on 10/8/2003 at 3:05:10 AM
does anyone know where can i get information on this bike?
what kind of bicycle is this? is this a road bike or hybrid?
i want to learn more about it. how much money is this bike worth???


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record posted by gary m on 10/8/2003 at 3:16:21 AM
i have been told that they are the entry level, lowest rung on the ladder, which depressed me so much i cut up a absolute mint one and tossed it in the dumpster. still dont bother me a bit.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record posted by JONathan on 10/8/2003 at 4:13:39 AM
Try "Retro-Raleighs" web site. You will find out about the "Record". They are out there, they are the lower level, but definitely not a benthic dweller. I can tell you that they are a comfortable ride. Low performance, but very well built bikes. I like riding mine over the Schwinn "varsity", anyday. That's a stock varsity. The varsity may be worth more, which is hard to believe. However, the varsity can be made less Neanderthalish by replacing half the running gear with alloy products.
I walked away from a free Grand Prix; not because it wasn't a good bike, but more like I have too many projects. Maybe in a few weeks, I'll be kicking myself for letting a freebie slide. As to value of the record.
I think they are worth $125-$150 if they are road ready. That's with all the critical replacements, which will total about $100. So, I have a $25 to $50 bike as a fixer. Hard to tell someone that $125 is really cheap, considering the parts and labor involved in making it sound. If you look at what you get for $150, new, today....I think the bike is worth a lot more. Maybe time will tell. I see more vintage commute bikes, but not Raleighs. I see more Japanese bikes, which are superb frames by any standard.
My '83 Schwinn "traveler" is a way better ride than the Raleigh "record", for example. Personally, I have an interest in the Raleighs, so I keep them around for conversation pieces. If you have room, why not hang on to it. The value can only go up and you have a sturdy bike for short rides in all weather.
JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record posted by Gralyn on 10/8/2003 at 11:59:19 AM
I recently sold a very nice Raleigh Record - it was an early 70's model - very beautiful original condition - for around $70

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record posted by Dave on 10/8/2003 at 10:59:05 PM
Johathan , I'll start kicking because I fixed up a free one and IMHO it is a super ride. Another friend has a late 70 "Record Ace" and has spot rust on it but on any ride over 25 miles it is his ride of choice. I took the Grand Prix on a 89 mile ride this weekend in Wisconsin and it rode like a champ. The Record is the lowest level bike for Raleigh LW's but should still be a worthy addition.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record posted by JONathan on 10/9/2003 at 7:03:14 AM
I used a '77 RRA (2030 tubes) for a touring bike. It was too flimsy for heavy touring, but is OK for day rides. I mean all day, too. Very comforyable. I have a triple on it, which makes up for the weight of the bike on climbs. Never gave me a scare. I was able to dodge a nasty branch in the bike lane on a steep downhill at speed near 40mph. Handled with more spunk than I thought it had. I had another one that had snapped a right chainstay somewhere along the line. The fork was bent, too. The rear rt. dropout was loose. The brazes could be tighter at the tube junction on the external edges. My '78 "Grand Prix" is more of a road bike. Much tighter geometry.
The RRA is more a cushie ride. I would still use the RRA for touring if it weren't for the superior ride of my hp tired, Giant "Iguana" rigid-frame MTB. The RRA is faster on the flats with no load. The "Iguana" ('88) is a very stiff frame, which is what a touring machine has to have going, IMHO, of course.
Almost too many Raleighs now to count, but I'll be a sucker for the next freebie that comes my way, I am sure.
Keep those big wheels turnin'.
JONathan