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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Suetterlin Racer from the 60s posted by: Walter on 5/30/2003 at 2:25:23 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7298&item=3610682810

I had never heard from this maker before and the only time I'd seen Altenberger components was a set of centerpull brakes on a mid70s boom special called Del Romi that I bought NOS and put together for my father in law. That bike had Simplex changers.

Neat bike and certainly appears to be complete. A German builder apparently. eBay does give us the opportunity to see alot of bikes that I, at least, might never have even heard of. Theoretically it also gives the opportunity to own these bikes as well though I seldom bid and even less frequently win.







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by: Joe Taylor on 5/30/2003 at 3:18:12 AM
I'm trying to determine what model Schwinn I have. The serial number is stamped on the rear dropout lug, and is partially unreadable from loosening and tightening of the rear axle nut (someone replaced the QR with a solid axle). The frame has lugs so I thought it may be a Varsity or Continental. However, I recently received a 58cm SuperSport frame from a friend that also has lugs. It has center pull brakes, large stem mounted shifters and all components are stamped "Schwinn Approved". It is a large frame (58cm). I may be interested in swapping for a smaller frame in the 49 - 52cm range, if someone has one they want to trade. I posted pictures on this website:
http://my.name-services.com/25503/
or
http://www.joes-bugs.com

Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by Oscar on 5/30/2003 at 3:48:17 AM
Joe - Varsities and Continentals do not have lugs, so it's not that. It looks like a late 70's or early 80's imported lightweight. Because of the components that I can see and the 1020 tubing, I guess that it's a Le Tour or World Sport.

If there are four digits stamped on the headbadge, it's a clue to the age. The first three digits are the day of the year, and the last digit is the last digit of the year. For example, 3656 would be 12/31/1976 or 86.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by JONathan on 5/30/2003 at 6:14:38 AM
Joe, does it have a round headtube badge? It's the badge above the front brake. If it's round, then it's a "branded" Schwinn. The three outfits that I know made branded bikes for Schwinn are; (1) Panasonic, (2) Giant and (3) Merida. The first is from Japan while the other two are from Taiwan. The Giants have the ser.# stamped onto the left dropout (where the axle fits in the rear triangle), the Merida has the letter "M" incorporated into the ser.# which may be on the headbadge or BB, I think. The Giant has a "G" followed by a bunch of numbers. I think the first two numbers are the year...I think. If it's not a Giant or a Merida, then it's a Panasonic and most likely a "Le Tour" variant. I have a Panasonic Le Tour II, '75-'77, can't recall which one. Check the Schwinn Data Book web-site.
I've got a chro-mo Traveler that I think is a Panasonic. It is a fine bicycle. I've been riding it everyday for a month, passing riders right and left. Sugino cranks, Araya rims, cp Dia-Compe. That 52 tooth large chainring lets you really wind it up in 12th gear (13 tooth rear). SunTour "ARx" derailers are good, too. I haven't reached maximum rpm on the high gear and I don't think I want to. I know it could redline faster than the tiny road bikes... I like the tiny, expensive road bikes, but for less tha $100, a guy can have just as fast a ride. Why pay more? Besides, the vintage LW's are tougher and very low maintenance. Hang on to that Schwinn, esp. if it's a 4130 steel frame...JONathan

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by Dave on 5/30/2003 at 4:22:24 PM
Joe, I concur w/Jonathan.I have a "World Sport" 3-speed frame with a simular look,appears to be a '84 model made by Giant.But mine has a very heavy frame tubing,I plan to rebuild it as a 12 speed.This one is nicer,hope you get an equally nice one in return.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by JONathan on 5/30/2003 at 8:01:07 PM
I couldn't locate the pages that were listed with the pic. My setup is pretty primitive, I guess.
Oh, my "traveler" has a 52-14 high gear. It goes around just about 200 times/mile (crank revs.). Anyway, I love the ride.
I have seen a surge in numbers on the bay bikepaths that have what appear to be new, entry-level bikes. The riders would be better off with a vintage LW, IMHO.
What does FS do for you on straight marshland terrain blacktop? Nothing except drain energy and momentum.I'm not trying to showoff, but I pedal up to just above their speed and coast by for 50 yds., before slowing to their speed. They have been pushing the whole time! LW's, hip, hip...JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by Joe Taylor on 5/31/2003 at 12:32:24 PM
Jonathan,
Thanks for the info. I took another look at the bike and found the following serial number on the left rear dropout: SG812188. If I understand you correctly this shows the bike was made for Schwinn by Giant in 1981. The headtube badge is a round Schwinn Chicago badge with a red center and is held on by 2 screws. There are no numbers on the badge that I could find. The bike rides out great, but unfortunately it is not the right size frame for me. At 5' 6" my legs are just not long enough, otherwise all would be perfect.
Joe

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by JONathan on 5/31/2003 at 6:04:49 PM
Joe, I posted out of sequence (above). I found the pic. of your bike. The chainring spiders look a lot like my Le Tour II (1977) made in Japan. The "G81####" part of the ser. number makes me think it's Giant, however, the "S" is a bit confusing to me. I believe mine just have the "G" followed by numbers. I was all set to say yours is in the Le Tour group, based on the cranks. OTOH, the serial No. seems to fit the Giant, to my thinking. Glad to at least be able to provide an argument to work against...I guess that's some kind of help. I hope!...Good luck, JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by JONathan on 5/31/2003 at 6:08:49 PM
Oscar, you pegged the Le Tour as a candidate based on components. Now, was the "World Sport" made by Giant? If so, that would explain the crankspiders that are like my Le Tour II. Thanks, JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by Joe Taylor on 6/2/2003 at 1:30:47 AM
Jonathan,
I guess the biggest problem I am having is finding out the origin. The bike has been repainted at some time but the painter taped over some of the original decals. I traded a an Air Force person on Okinawa Japan for it. Since there are no Schwinn dealers and very few bike shops where the owners speak English here (and I don't speak Japanese), it's hard to get any good information. I would just like to know if this bike is worth trying to find a smaller frame for the components or would I be better off selling it and trying to find a complete bike in my size. I would consider swapping everything to my SuperSport frame, but it is the same size. It has never been painted and still has the decals on it including the Alan's Cyclery (Riverside CA) decal. It also has the Later Schwinn headtube badge and a Scott decal on the headtube above the badge. The tubing is Columbus Tenax according to the decal on the frame. It is lugged and has downtube shifter mounts. It also has a grease nipple on the headtube. The Serial number on the bottom bracket is K606020. It has some surface rust near the lugs and cable guides but is not bent and otherwise appears solid. Anyone want to swap for a 49-52cm frame?

   schwinn apparel posted by Becca on 12/4/2003 at 4:06:09 PM
Do you know of any place that has shirts with the old schwinn logo? I'm looking to purchase a shirt for my boyfriend for Christmas... Do you have any ideas Besides ebay??

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trying to determine Schwinn model posted by Tami Mayes on 1/27/2004 at 10:04:08 PM
I have a 1954 Schwinn World with traveler on the chaingaurd.It is black with wing type decals on frame rails.The head badge also has wings.It is 24in. Also I beleive came with bags and generator lights.If you have any info. on the bike and parts availability please send reply.Thanks!






AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn racer posted by: Rob Hollingsworth on 5/29/2003 at 8:26:08 AM
I was recently nibbing around a neighbors back/junk yard, and found a Schwinn racer. 26", Bendix automatic rear hub. All original and in pretty good shape. Ser#D238350, I'm guessing 1956/57?? Are these a rare thing? Are diagrams available for the bendix aoutmatic?? I have never seen a 2 speed auto B4...thanks, Rob..


   Bendix hub diagrams posted by Tom Findley on 5/29/2003 at 12:39:56 PM
http://www.trfindley.com/flbikes/bdxdia.jpg

Mark Smith's Bendix Overhaul Page:

http://www.bunchobikes.com/auto.htm

Bike was made April, 1962

More people want the hub than the entire bike.

   RE:Bendix hub diagrams posted by Rob Hollingsworth on 5/29/2003 at 12:52:12 PM
Thanks for the info Tom. i need to pull the hub apart and replace the bearings. I would guess she has been ridden...a bit loose, I can't seem to get the play out of the hub although it is snug when the coaster brake is applied?? Ahhh, this new stuff!

   RE:RE:Bendix hub diagrams posted by Dewane on 5/30/2003 at 1:55:44 AM
Is this what is known as a "kick-back" hub?

   RE:RE:RE:Bendix hub diagrams posted by Oscar on 5/30/2003 at 3:45:12 AM
Yeah, it's also known as a kickback hub. You change gears by kicking back on the pedals slightly.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn racer posted by Ken on 6/1/2003 at 3:22:11 AM
That's a 62 according to the chart. I just saw a Traveler here in town in gorgeous shape, fenders etc.; it was the first I'd ever seen a Bendix Automatic laced into a 26x1-3/8 wheel. I think they were used more in cruisers.






MISC:   Centurion Semi-Pro posted by: andym on 5/29/2003 at 4:57:37 AM
Check out ebay item #3610771323. Nice looking bike,have'nt seen many of these around.


   RE:MISC:   Centurion Semi-Pro posted by andym on 5/29/2003 at 5:26:02 AM
Sorry, ebay is saying thats not a good number.Anyway,If anyone is interested just search for it under:centurion semi pro. Oh by the way,this is'nt my bike,I just wish it was.






MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by: David on 5/29/2003 at 2:58:43 AM
I'm shipping a bike to Puerto Rico and UPS costs $142 while Fed Ex is only $69 for the same 2nd day air service. Pittsburgh-Boston is $24 vs $15 for truck service. Amazing! I signed right up for Fed Ex!


   RE:MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by JONathan on 5/29/2003 at 5:29:41 AM
It pays to shop. David, (or anybody), I have no idea about what it takes to ship a bike. What is a suitable packaging for a bicycle? Can they take it without a box? Does the transport provider take care of packaging as part of the cost? Shipping has evolved in parallel with the net, I'd hope for a competitive environment for service, as the demand certainly is there. I see Fed Ex trucks running all over the place. Used to see just UPS brown wagons. Thanks for any info...JONathan

   RE:MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by David on 5/29/2003 at 10:39:48 AM
I use the cardboard boxes that bikes ship in originally. They are the max size that UPS (or Fed Ex) will accept and most bikes require only minor disassembly to fit. Bike shops will often give them to you and you'll frequently get some of the bits that the mfrs use in shipping, too; e.g. flat plastic covers for protruding axles and spacers to fit in the fork. Fragile areas need to be strengthened; a spacer must be fit into the fork so it can't be crushed easily. You need to remove the bars, pedals, etc and pack them in a separate box [inside the big box] and fasten things so they can't move around and ruin the paint.

   RE:MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by Gralyn on 5/29/2003 at 11:53:59 AM
I think I must have been in the twighlight zone when this happened: But once, I shipped a couple small pieces of chrome trim for a car....I mean small pieces....like they were flat - and only a couple inches long. They could have easily fit in a small ....even a 3" X 5" envelope. I could have put them in an envelope and put a stamp on them and sent them in the mail - it possibly would have taken 4 or 5 days to get there. But, I shipped them - and it cost $13 to get them there within 3 days. I think I was out of it that day. I'm not even going to say what company that was....but I don't go near it anymore.
I guess shipping cost varies - depending on different factors. I'll bet on average - maybe about $20 to ship a bike. I know on e-bay people will list a bike...and the shipping cost is listed....usually $25, $35, $45....I've even seen higher.....and I've even seen higher with an added $35 or so for a packaging cost. (of course, they don't usually get many bids).
I once had one shipped to me - where I paid the actual shipping cost...it was a 19" CroMo frame....complete bike except for the cranks and seat....I think it cost around $7 UPS

   RE:RE:MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by JONathan on 5/30/2003 at 3:52:03 PM
Thanks for the great ideas and information. The cost of making a box is more than the bike is worth. I was going to rip some split 1 x 8 boards and use Luan Mahogony door skins to build one. The cost (not counting table saw electricity and labor) is about $18, counting glue and self-tapping deck screws.
Add another $35 and you have nearly $50, about what the bike's worth. Makes a guy think. Now, if the bike was worth $500, then it's a different picture. Thanks. Now, I know what to expect...JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by Dave on 5/30/2003 at 4:31:57 PM
Shipping is expensive, I now look at local pickup bikes on Ebay.My $38 Varsity (and Collegiate) would've cost more to UPS out of state,the couple I purchased it from had already boxed the Varsity and it was listed as weighing 52 pounds.I kept the box and frame foam from another ebay bike purchase just in case I have one to sell.

   RE:MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by Tony Truran on 5/31/2003 at 3:56:57 PM
I just had two very BAD EXPERIENCES using UPS.

Both time I paid extra for 2-3 day shipping. The first time the package never arrived and they are still at a loss to fully figure out where/who ended up with my package (over 3 weeks now). The second time it was shipped to the warehouse in the next city, sat for several days, then was shipped back to the shipper. I finally got the package 13 days after inital shipping with no explaination for the delay.

AVOID UPS LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!!

   RE:MISC:   UPS vs Fed Ex shipping posted by David on 5/31/2003 at 11:29:29 PM
I've shipped a lot of stuff by UPS and never had delivery problems, but Fed Ex seems to be cheaper. BUT...!!! I got the payment for the bike to PR and, NOW, when I type in the same info it tells me it will cost $108. Still a lot cheaper than UPS, but what happened to that $69????






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   A vintage Cinelli Equipe posted by: Ben on 5/29/2003 at 2:21:36 AM
I have an old beaten-up Cinelli Equipe steel bike bought from the previous owner, who bought it used in the ‘80s. I’d like to know more about it (for example, its age), but can’t find any mention of an Equipe model anywhere on the Web. Let me describe some features of the bike; perhaps knowledgeable experts on this forum could tell me more about it.

Cinelli’s modern “winged C” logo is engraved on both sides of the chromed fork crown, on both seat stays near the seat cluster, and on the rear brake bridge. The word Cinelli is engraved on the bottom side of the bottom bracket. (Does this mean the bike cannot possibly be one of the Cinelli clones I read about?) (By the way, when was the winged-C logo first used? That’s may help date the bike.) The bike has Campagnolo rear dropouts, but the seat cluster is of conventional design, not the special Cinelli design I’ve read about. (Perhaps this is a low-end model?)

Seat tube and chainstay stickers say “Cinelli Equipe”. There is no headbadge, and no visible holes where a metal headbadge might have been attached. There are no painted graphics; yet the bike doesn’t seem to have been repainted. (Did some Cinellis use only paper stickers?) A Colombus sticker on the fork arm doesn’t say whether the frame is SL or SLX, etc., though you can tell by tapping that it seems to be double butted.

The fork crown has a triangular cutout on both sides. The lugs are moderately tapered and do not have circular cutouts, as I understand some Cinelli lugs have. Only the headtube lugs are chromed. The bike’s components, of assorted makes, are obviously not the original ones, and none is Campy.

I’d appreciate it if someone could tell me more about this Cinelli amodel. Many thanks.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   A vintage Cinelli Equipe posted by Tom on 5/29/2003 at 2:19:11 PM
Michael Kone & Sheldon Brown state that the new logo was introduced in 1978 but was not used exclusively until 1980. They also suggest that until 1982, the lugwork used three, circular holes and a 26.2 mm seatpost. Based on your description it sounds like the bike is 1983, or later.

If you remove the bottom bracket, you will clearly see if the insides of the tubes have the splines denoting SLX tubing.

Cinelli sold his bottom brackets to numerous builders, so the fact that it has a Cinelli bottom bracket does provide any guarantees.

You may also wish to visit http://www.petry.org/markp/cinolog.htm . This site has a list of Cinelli serial numbers and manufacturing dates, which may allow you to narrow down the year. Good luck!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   A vintage Cinelli Equipe posted by Warren on 5/29/2003 at 11:22:53 PM
If I'm not mstaken, there was a Centurion made, Cinelli branded Equippe model. I think they were good bikes...that's the extent of my knowledge.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   A vintage Cinelli Equipe posted by Chuck Schmidt on 5/30/2003 at 11:45:01 PM
I'm with Warren on this one. Centurion had Cinelli make them some bikes. The frame was not the same as a Cinelli S.C. frame from the same period (1980s).

Of course some owners decided their bike would be cooler without the Centurion decals so they removed them hoping people thought they owned a Cinelli instead of a Centurion Equipe.

They were outfited with Ofmega parts; no Campagnolo to be seen.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: A vintage Cinelli Equipe posted by Ben on 6/3/2003 at 9:33:29 PM
Many thanks for the replies. Just out of curiosity, where can I find out more about what Warren and Chuck said? The 1980s bike catalogs? Wasn’t Centurion a Japanese brand of the ‘80s? I’m not a collector, but bought the bike for riding, and it rides great. Thanks again.






AGE / VALUE:   "Olympic Edition" 1964, (?) Steyr posted by: Tara-Linn on 5/28/2003 at 9:27:24 PM
I was given a bike about 5 years ago; pity-gift as my hot little Cannondale had been stolen. *note: bike thieves should be dragged out into the street and bludgeoned publically with Lightweight frames and bike-chains. A friend has suggested it is worth considerably more than was paid for it ($5 at a garage sale, I believe is what the man who gave it to me said). One potential buyer went as far as to call it a "Rare-collector piece", saying if I'd sell he'd offer over a grand. Which made me wonder how much she was ACTUALLY worth. She's in solid, prim, and proper condition. I can't seem to find Steyr BIKES anywhere else, tho. Trucks, yes; bikes, no. Help? Guidence, Oh-Bicycle-Gurus-of-the-Web?


   Steyr posted by John E on 5/28/2003 at 10:37:08 PM
Sorry about your loss, Tara-Linn.

Steyr-Daimler-Puch, the big Austrian industrial conglomerate, marketed bicycles under the Steyr, Puch, and Austro-Daimler marques. They now make Jeep Grand Cherokees for the European market, firearms, M. Benz auto parts, etc. Please post a list of components and a description of decals, etc. If yours is in great condition and has a Reynolds 531 decal printed diagonally and Campag. components, it may indeed be collectible. A pristine 1958 Capo (a much smaller, bicycles-only, Austrian company) fetched over $1000 a few years ago.

Even if yours is not collectible, Steyr frames tended to be sturdily constructed to Germanic precision, so it should be a nice rider.

You may want to consult classicrendezvous.com's Austrian and (if you have Reynolds 531) Great Britain/components sections. Sheldonbrown.com also has a little information on Austro-Daimler.

Good luck. Let us know what you find out!






AGE / VALUE:   BIKES,BIKES AND MORE BIKES posted by: Kevin K on 5/28/2003 at 2:34:05 PM
Hi to all. I've got to give credit to you guys that are able to collect and maintain 10 plus bikes. When I first started I had several models/makes. Italian, French, German Japanese.........Swiss. Too many personalities. Good looking each one was though. I sold off most and decided on Schwinn as a main producer. It has been educational. Schwinn made such a wide variety of bikes I soon found I had to chhose a model from the line up. I chose the Letour line with a few odd balls thrown in for good measure. At times I read certain posts and think possibly I should have stuck with the European built bikes but I made my choice. And it is a good one . So to all collecting, enjoy the hobby. I'm at 7 bikes and I think that's plenty for me. For now anyway. Kevin


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BIKES,BIKES AND MORE BIKES posted by Rob on 5/29/2003 at 5:46:32 PM
Hi Kevin...

Bikes and their personalities...I missed out on a Swiss bike...an Allegro...about a year ago, in a thrift shop...it looked good, but at the time I didn't know what it was...Price $69ish CDN($49US). I did a bit of research and found out this model was an average, OK kind of bike...it was in excellent shape...I went back a few days later and, of course, it was gone.

I have several Italian bikes...and one, a Marinoni, a recent acquisition made by Italian craftsmen in Canada...I guess that would pretty well make it an 'Italianish' bike...the builders certainly wouldn't have gotten their skill sets and inspiration from Canadian culture...I also have a Benotto, model unknown,...it's obviously been modified after purchase. I seems to have started off with an early Shimano 600 gruppo...shifters and front der. 600 "arabesque-style"; brakes seems to be 600EX (model # BR-6207..which came out around 1984); rear der. a Cyclone; hubs, Superb Pro; Dura-ace freewheel; 'aero' tubing. It really likes to move, but its obviously not great as a commuter...narrow gear range and very twitchy...Made in Italy or Mexico???...I don't know...my guess is it was made around 1980.

I have a German-made touring bike, a Kalkhoff "Coupe du Monde"...from the mid to late '70's...lots of features, and it's heavy...I think it's only an average bike. It's even equipped with a Shimano Positron derailleur...lucky me. It's the only bike allowed to live upstairs...I seldom use it and the previous owner had kept it in absolutely immaculate shape...only a little wear on the cloth handlebar tape...the bike shop sticker is still in place...bought in Germany in a small town near Frankfurt...

There's more...but I guess that's enough for now...






WANTED:   Cones for 1983 Trek 360 posted by: Lynn on 5/28/2003 at 10:58:53 AM
Anyone know of a place you can pick/buy cones for 1983 Trek for Malliard Hubs. I would appreciate the info...thanks


   RE:WANTED:   Cones for 1983 Trek 360 posted by dafydd on 5/29/2003 at 4:58:00 AM
If it's a Malliard Helicomatic hub (which are common on Treks of this era) and your cones are worn out, you might want to consider just getting a new wheel. Once you drivetrain wear out, you're going to have the same trouble finding replacement parts and pay through the nose to boot. If you're attached to them, most economical bet might be to look for a junker with the hubs.

   RE:WANTED:   Cones for 1983 Trek 360 posted by JONathan on 5/29/2003 at 6:16:55 AM
Sheldon Brown has written about the "helicomatic" freewheels and hubs under his "French Bicycle" article. I have a set on a Peugeot "mixte" that work great, but I would not try to find parts, even bearings are different on one side!?
That alone would make cone acquisition difficult. They also break spokes easily. I keep mine trued up and so far; no "snaps". I'll check if I have any spare cones that might work. I have the wheels that I may not need, but I'd like to keep them intact, rather than peeling off just the cones.
When I got the Peugeot, I was excited about those "helicos", thinking they were way cool. Turns out, they look cooler than they work. Just my 2c's....JONathan
BTW, I like the ride on those wheels, I can see why you want to keep them going.

   RE:WANTED:   Cones for 1983 Trek 360 posted by Joe on 5/29/2003 at 8:47:36 AM
Lynn, You might want to try checking with a guy in NJ,when I was looking for these he had them in stock. You can email him at njbicycle@netzero.com he may still have these, he had a quanity of these back in March.






AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by: Randy on 5/28/2003 at 2:01:01 AM
I suppose that the best bike I have in the forty that I have collected would have to be my Torpado but it is not the one I like the best. Of the six Sekines I have one that stands out. The frame is chrome moly with butted tubes, has Shimano forged dropouts, chrome fork tips, chain and seat stays and the derailleur hanger is built in. The ornate metal headbadge indicates that the bike is a Sekine Medialle. The derailleurs are Vintage Campy Nuvo Record as are the clamp on shift levers. SR Royal cranks, Shimano wide flange hubs, alloy rims, Shimano Tourney center pull brake callipers, quick release wheels, and very ornate lugs. The bike is a cream color with the paint and decals suffering from little damage during the past twenty five or so years. The chrome is very good for the most part and the alloy components are basically unmarred. All in all, I think that I got lucky.
I talked to the local bike shop owner who sold the bike for $439.00 Canadian in 1976. He is looking to see if he has any decals or literature for this old bike. He also told me that they(Sekines) were manufactured in or near Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, about 450 miles from where I live. I guess that explains why I have been able to find so many.
The bike is fairly light by feel and comparison to the many other bikes that I have found in the past four months. It is nimble, shifts like a charm and tracks well with hands off the bars. This is indeed my favorite ride. I doubt that is is of any special collectable or monetary value but it is a really nice bicycle.
I am trying to find information about this bike and I would like to hear from other Sekine owners. I have several Sekines of varying quality. The Medialle that I have just described is not the highest end Sekine that I have in my collection.
The high end bike is a Sekine Toledo. I won't go into any detail about it right now, however; I will be happy to supply a full description of it should anyone be interested.
Next post I will describe my Torpado.


   Sekine posted by Steven on 5/28/2003 at 4:45:21 AM
Randy,

Sekine is an old Japanese brand, that started production in Brandon Manitoba (if I am not mistaken) to get around the outrageous protective import tariffs that the CCM was able to convince the Canadian government to impose on import bikes. At the time, CCM had a stranglehold on the Canadian market and had quite powerful political protection. Canada was not alone in such tactics as Schwinn, Huffy and Murray were afforded the same protection in the US. Anyhow, Sekine began production and brought out numerous very valid bikes and were the obvious choice for anybody on a budget. They blew anything put out by CCM away and were far better values than the imports. If I am not mistaken, the company was set up by Lorne Shields who is now an extremely respected collector of vintage/antique bicycles and memorabilia. The médaille (with the a before the i and not as you wrote is French for medalion or medal) was one of their top models and was indeed very nice. Production continued until the early 80's when Sekine began to have problems competing with other newer and more efficient production plants that were opened in Canada by companies such as: Vélosport (Peugeot, Vélosport, CCM) Raleigh, Norco... and the imports from the Far East. Sekine may not have the reputation of most European brands but they were definitely the top dog in Canada in the late 70's.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by Tom on 5/28/2003 at 5:47:23 AM
Any of you guys live in the Winnpeg area. I would like to hear from you offline.
Tom

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by Wings on 5/28/2003 at 6:26:24 AM
Randy,
In 5 years you should have a total of 640 bikes! Actually it could be less with the constant work of putting tarps on them to protect them from the precipitation and the sun! Then there is the problem of spiders! Spiders love my bikes and I have to spray them constantly. In winter at times there are a few rats that like to swing from the tubing and that is just a little creepy! I keep mine in large tents! Oh, there are also a whole bunch upstairs in a very large room which kinda makes me worry about the stress on the beams and then when the thunder storms roll in with a second floor room full of bike treasure it also gets a little nervous.

But, I still love to look for the treasure! And, unfortuanately I still find it. Happy hunting to you!

I stopped counting at 30 bikes. I have no idea how many I have! I don't want to know either!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by Rob on 5/28/2003 at 5:12:39 PM
Thanks Steven...you have lots of interesting info on the CDN bike scene...Have you thought about a book or website???

I have often wondered about Sekine...I don't have any and I sensed they were more in the CDN scene than the US. I'll look a little more closely now and see if I can find some goods ones...

Also your comments about CCM explain a lot...when I was a kid growing up in the BC interior...too many years ago...CCM's were everywhere...as kids, at least my friends and I, tended to view them as..I'll use a polite word...junk...something you had to put up with...something your parents would spring for, but not what you really wanted. Serves CCM right...playing the political game instead of producing high quality bikes...although, in fairness, from what I've heard they did occasionally produce some interesting stuff, and I suspect their early production may have been quite good too...My favorite bike, as I think back was actually an old, second-hand, balloon tired tank of a bike, cheaply repainted long before I got it, with no indentifying marks that I was aware of...Based on what I now know I'm pretty sure it was a Schwinn...it was absolutely bullet-proof...the only thing I remember having to do to it was fix the occasional flat...back in those days we tended to treat any bike as though it was an MTB...and maintenance??, heck, what did that mean??

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by Tim W on 5/28/2003 at 6:19:57 PM
In a thrift store recently I found 'The Canadian Book of Bicycling' (or something like that) from the early 70's. It has a picture and description of the CCM 'Tour de Canada', which was a 531 db frame with all Campy Record parts. So, CCM did make some nice bikes. I'd love to find that particular model around, anyone seen one? Pretty scarce on the ground, I imagine.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by Tom on 5/28/2003 at 9:57:20 PM
Sekine opened their Canadian factory in June 1973 at Oo-za-we-Kwun, Rivers, Manitoba. They were very prosperous in the 70's, but suffered after the government lowered the tariff on imported bicycles from 25% to 15% in 1975.

I worked in a shop selling Sekine in 1974-1975. On a model by model basis they were infinitely superior to the CCM and even the Raleigh and Peugeots which we carried. I'd guess that the basic SHA model had 60% of the entry level market, with the CCM Targa taking about 20% and the Raleigh Record and Peugeot A08 with about 10% each. One step up, was the SHB (and it's Canadian built equivalent SHC) which easily outsold the Raleigh Record and Peugeot UO8. Even to the uneducated buyer, the Sekine was visibly superior. The paint was electrostatically applied, resulting in a superior finish, and there were never any gaps in the lugs joints, a fault that was all too common on the CCM product. From a mechanic's standpoint, they were a joy to assemble. The bars came with the levers mounted and pre-taped. The wheels rarely required any touch-up. You could set up a Sekine in half the time of any other bike.


I don't recall Lorne Shields being involved with Sekine, but he had his hands in almost anything to do with cycling, so it's possible. I know Shields distributed Nishiki, Peugeot, Jeunet, Falcon, Hugh Porter, Speedwell and Cinelli during the mid 70's, along with being distributor for all the major brands of components. His company also assembled bicycles. From what I've read, he went out of business in 1980. Apparently he did not have the necessary 20% Canadian content to be ruled a "manufacturer" and had to pay the duties imposed on an "assembler".

As for the CCM Tour du Canada, even though it was top of the line, it was not a good seller. The bike was limited production and made with Reynolds 531 DB tubing with Camapgnolo Nuovo Record groupset. The brakes were Universal 68, with Fiamme red label tubular rims, TTT Record bars and stems, Cinelli saddle. This sounds real good, but the big problem was the gearing, which was aimed at Junior criterium racers. The front chainrings were 46/50T with a 14-18T flat block at the rear. This incredibly narrow gearing and the tubulars tires scared off a lot of potential buyers. Reportedly the frames were subcontracted to a major Italian builder, but the build quality did not show evidence of the this. The frame quality was good, but not excellent. It was more reminescent of a top line Gitane or Peugeot. The majority of bikes ended being stripped by dealers for the Campagnolo parts.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by Randy on 5/29/2003 at 1:49:31 AM
I have gleened more Sekine related information in the past couple of days than I have in the past four months. Thanks to those of you who have contributed. I believe that I must live in some kind of a Sekine/Peugoet final resting ground. They are all over the place. Not only them but other strange finds. Today I saw a truck full of metal waste heading towards a metal scrap yard. I turned the Sekine around, caught up with the truck(wasn't going that fast) and presto I became the new owner of a mid sixties to early seventies CCM Elan roadster, apparently a copy of the Raleigh Superbe or Sport. Good shape too. Fifteen minutes later I held the door to a thrift shop(thanks for the thrift shop idea) open for an approaching lady. As she entered I asked her if they sold bicycles in the shop and went on to explain that I like to fix the old ten speeds up. Well wouldn't you know it, she had an old ten speed, no make that fifteen speed Miyata(three rings) in great shape even though she did her best with a cheap paint brush. We agreed on a very fair price for us both and I will take my truck to work tomorrow and pick up both bikes.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 5/30/2003 at 6:15:10 PM
I have posted here before many times offering free Sekine catalogs to anybody interested and there were no takers.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Best of 40 bikes posted by Edward in Vancouver on 6/1/2003 at 4:43:43 AM
My first "real" 10 spd was a Sekine, bought in Saskatoon with money earned as a dishwasher. Got stolen at school, and I bought another one right away. It was a bottom-range one, can't remember the name, but candy-apple red and those stupid extra "idiot-lever" brake handles. Had alot of fun with it.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Not to boast... posted by: Oscar on 5/28/2003 at 2:37:04 AM
Well, I'm trying to pick up a new French bike every year. A friend of a friend sold this one to me. It's a Mercier with the wildest foil decal of a racer with uplifted arms at a finish line.

The really different thing is that it has a brazed head tube, but lugs at all the other junctions. I cannot tell if this is a step up or down in framebuilding. The rest of the lugs are kind of big and plain.

The components are steel throught and alvit with downtube shifters. Cool nonetheless.

Does anyone know the model or know why the headtube is brazed?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Not to boast... posted by JONathan on 5/28/2003 at 5:38:50 AM
I have a Mercier with the same decal. I think it's a great decal. The rider is Raymond Poulidor, the famous French rider and gentleman from the '50's and early '60's, I believe. Aside from the decal, my Mercier lacks anything flashy in decals or paint. The paint is tough, too. I feathered the nicks and took some of the hazy coating off which had been from uv exposure and oxidation. I rubbed it out and with a silicon glaze it looks great. A vintage look, to be sure. I think the paint was better than what was usual for the imported flashy painted bikes from that era. Cottered Nervar cranks and BB. I was going to use a Sugino 5-S (five-S) cotterless spindle to allow for modern cranks. The thinner bearing cups pose a problem, even with a 68mm BB. The cup steel is VERY hard steel. The original BB and cranks were in fine condition, so right now, I have the original setup. The Paint is a forest green with regular lugs. I like it...low profile, understated. The bike looks great with only one improvement..Arraya 27x1 1/4 " heavy-duty, alloy wheels. I had to straighten the steerer just a wee bit, but a mandrel and a little heat (<1200 F) and it went back. I like the ride. Oh, I ditched the stem and put a SR compe stem with "road champion" alloy bars. I fitted SunTour "power shifters" onto the Simplex clamp...it actually worked! The Simplex garbage plastic shifters were busted off. Oh, I ditched the Simplex plastic (yes, it actually shifts) derailer and put a SunTour "V" in place. That is how to upgrade a French bike...go with Japanese components. The Stem had to be sanded with 400 grit(wet/dry) to take off a fraction of a mm to fit the stem in the steerer. The headset bearings are standard. They are interesting bikes in the ride and they look cool. Yours is a tough guy, with a brazed up headtube. I'd hang on to it. I have never seen one with a combination of lug with brazed. Are you sure it isn't a welded joint? Maybe it has internal lugs?....Great find....JONathan

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Not to boast... posted by Dave on 5/28/2003 at 2:06:09 PM
I have one also,after my friend demolished the French bottom bracket.I installed a modern cotterless crank but left the original Huret Svelto rear derailler and front as well as steel shifters.I has the same foil decal as yours,I saw a simular one early this year and his was a '78.Mine must be close to that because the fork is Italian/English thread,with a Cinelli bar and stem combo.I used latex house paint on it because the original paint was in really bad shape,but it has black paint on the head & top tube lugs and top tube mounted pump pegs are neat.It has little French tri-color decals where the chrome ends on the fork and rear dropouts.It has the best ride of any road bicycle I've ever ridden,I put a set of touring wheels off a late 80's Cannondale,same type as Jonathan has.Mercier's are now made in Asia and on their website they had a blurb about Lance Armstrong,he had one when he first began racing and called the bike "my beautiful Mercier".Enjoy!

   East meets west posted by John E on 5/28/2003 at 2:57:42 PM
I concur with the upgrade from Simplex to SunTour derailleurs, having converted both of my Peugeots in that manner. (Even my 1959 Capo has a 1971 SunTour V rear and mid-1970s SunTour Cyclone front, both of which were big improvements over the original Campy Gran Sports.)

   RE:East meets west posted by Oscar on 5/28/2003 at 4:05:32 PM
Maybe the top and down tubes are welded instead of brazed. It looks like a good weld or a sloppy braze. I still wonder why they didn't use lugs up front...

   RE:RE:East meets west posted by JONathan on 5/28/2003 at 8:35:04 PM
Why welded? I have a guess. The headtube joints take a beating, unlike the BB which is suspended, the road comes right up through the forks and just pounds on the joints at downtube and toptube interface. A plain gauge tubing if it's welded carefully can be very rigid and strong; attested to by our ole friend the VARSITY. The trick is to not develop "soft-spots" distal to the welded connection. OTOH, lugged tubes work best when the tubing is thinner (butted) and it isn't a good welding candidate. My guess is that headtube is solid as a rock...what can work loose? Just a guess.
I can't imagine the kind of violence it would require to pop a varsity downtube or toptube loose from the headtube, whereas, I can see a lugged connection bending or even working loose from a long history of road use. If you add to that welded head/top/down connection solid forged steel forks...you have a working definition of "indestructable" within bicycle contexts. The downside is weight. The welded setup has to be heavier. SO we have the usual trade-off scenario that's pervasive in bikedom....Just my 2c's, JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:East meets west posted by Oscar on 5/28/2003 at 9:56:27 PM
Thanks for your input. It's a heavy bike, all right, but it'll lighten up some with al wheels, crank, bar, etc. You're right about the paint. It's monochrome down to the dropouts, and the slight nicks and scrapes don't bother me.

I was on the fence about this one, but the Mafac Racers cinched the deal on this $30 bike.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:East meets west posted by JONathan on 5/29/2003 at 5:59:25 AM
Oscar, the brakes on my green machine are not Mafac "racers"; not Mafac anything, but they are cp and they are French made. There isn't a logo or model, just some numbers and "France" stamped on one caliper. I'm using them with new shrouds and cables as they meet my requirements and are original (I presume). Does yours have a brazed-on bridge for the rear brake cable stop? I don't think mine weighs as much as my UO-8. When this bike breaks out into the open road, it'll have had a lot of work and materials into the effort. Usually, I don't spend so much effort on a bike that needs almost everything, but I just have a feeling that it may be worth it...call it a long shot. I going to give this ole feller another chance, he's certainly earned it....JONathan






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   ladies 1965 schwinn breeze posted by: deadbuny on 5/27/2003 at 8:22:27 PM
i need info on a ladies 1965 schwinn breeze. a book i have says '65 was the first year for this bike. (true?) the wierdest thing about this bike is it has a straight top tube instead of the one that curves into the seattube. it also has raliegh type rims (SA 3sp), and the headset it not the usual schwinn type. the brake arms say "schwinn approved" in script. the kickstand is chromed. i dated it at may 1965 and on the right side dropout is stamped "E75" or "E76". any info will be appreciated.


   RE:  ladies 1965 schwinn breeze posted by Eric Amlie on 5/27/2003 at 9:16:07 PM
According to the catalogs your book is right. Looks like the '65 Breeze succeeded the '64 Co-Ed. Not sure what to make of the headset or the numbers on the right dropout. The serial number which dates the bike is on the left dropout. I have those same script "Schwinn Approved" brake calipers on some early sixties Racers and Travelers. Not sure when they stopped using them.






AGE / VALUE:   schwinn posted by: mike on 5/27/2003 at 7:40:33 PM
i found another schwinn road 10 speed bike today, but i dont know what model it is. i'm hoping someone here can help.
its dated march 79. red f/f. chrome fenders. schwinn approved brakes, wienmann levers. schwinn positron ff drivetrain. also has some aftermarket halogen front and rear lights, generator driven. and a speedometer. generator, lights, and speedo are all marked "IKU" "made in holland". wheels are 27" x 1 1/4"
can anyone tell me what model this is?

--mike.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn posted by JONathan on 5/27/2003 at 10:32:20 PM
Here we go...wild guess. I have a 1979 10 spd. Schwinn "suburban" that has the Shimano positron rear der. and front-freewheel system. Some had either or both as standard. The technology was novel and it was placed onto moderate priced bikes only, I think. Too bad, because it couldn't get refined in the models that were governed by price considerations. Mine is a burgundy color. Basically, a "varsity" with a tubular forkset. Very, very heavy. It is my heaviest single seater. It's got it all, too. Generator set, big rack, full-dress fenders, and bell. All the goodies are Schwinn products. I have a lady's frame that is the same model and year. If you want a big, ole bike, you got it. Enjoy...JONathan

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn posted by JONathan on 5/28/2003 at 5:54:40 AM
You said; "chrome fenders". That's different than my 2 "suburbans" that have painted fenders. The "Collegiate" had chrome fenders (half-fenders?). I'd check the Schwinn Data Book site. How's the ride? The "collegiate" was pretty close to a "suburban" except some components were different. It was lower priced tha the "suburban". They had one at the thrift store for $50...powder blue, faded paint! I almost got it for 1/2 off price, last friday. Maybe I will try next month. It's been there for 3 months! Someone is marking them way too high, I think.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn posted by mike. on 5/28/2003 at 6:53:08 AM
i should also mention that this has the full (not half) chrome fenders. front rack. and rear saddle bag-type baskets. with reflectors on the wheels, fenders, and racks. looks like this thing came with just about everything available at the time.

--mike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn posted by JONathan on 5/28/2003 at 7:20:33 AM
OK, rule out the "collegiate". Does it have steel-rim wheels? Does it have the "varsity" frame...look at the seat-stay ends. Are they rounded (as opposed to pointed)? If yes to all three, it's a "suburban", I say. Oh, is the badge oval? Then it's a Chicago-built bike. The "suburban" had tourer bars, not drop-bars. I'd like to commute on mine, but it is too heavy in present configuation. Alloy wheels, bars and plastic fenders would trim a few pounds. Then I'd get a Blackburn rack to save a couple pounds. If it gets to about 35 pounds, then I'd ride it in ernest. The "Ash-tah-BU-la" crank is heavy, and there isn't much you can do, unless you find a kit. Schwinn made a conversion kit for converting to a modern cotterless crankset. Alloy pedals would shed some more "moving" mass from the train. How much does it weigh?
48 pounds?. Mine is so heavy, I have to look back to see if my lunch bucket is still hooked onto the rack. I call it "CJ" for "clean and jerk", getting it loaded into the truck. It sure is a cool bike....JONathan

   RE: Schwinn posted by Eric Amlie on 5/28/2003 at 1:31:05 PM
According to the '79 Schwinn catalog, the only ten speed that had the front freewheel system and came in red was the Caliente. That said, the catalogs were often wrong on which colors were actually available. If your bike has 27" wheels, and a tubular fork, it is most likely a Caliente. Unfortunately the catalog says nothing about fenders. The Suburbans had the tubular fork but as far as I know, they always had painted fenders. The Collegiate had 26" wheels.

   RE:RE: Schwinn posted by Dave on 5/28/2003 at 2:16:16 PM
I had a Collegiate ladies model from '79, it had drop bars,chrome half fenders,front freewheel system but Suntour deraillers(?).I gave it to our hair cutter after installing a Brooks saddle and upright bars and brake levers,The bike weights a ton but it came free with my '65 Varsity commuter.

   RE:RE: Schwinn posted by JONathan on 5/28/2003 at 4:37:33 PM
They forgot to tell the guy making the bike? Mine is FFS on the male-frame "suburban" and non-FFS on the lady's frame!
I think you nailed it down. The "caliente" has OPTIONAL chrome fenders for $10.50 (6% more). Yours had the works. I'd have to go with "caliente" based on the fender issue.
Now, I have to go look at my "suburban". The "Q" (second letter) would make it a '79. Correct? I'm pretty sure. I've seen one "caliente" in 3 years. All I need is a "caliente" and a "collegiate" to cover the Schwinns up to the Paramount level.
Most that I've seen lately have significant weather damage and very slight wear in the moving parts. Tell me something about the lives of these good ole bikes. FWIW, the "caliente" is ranked above the "suburban" for it's more sporty qualities.
Clean&Jerk just can't cut it as a "sporty" bike! No way....JONathan






AGE / VALUE:   Dutch bikes in English posted by: Tom Findley on 5/27/2003 at 2:06:07 PM
http://www.cycle-heaven.co.uk/gazelle.html

The bikes are as reliable as Schwinns.







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by: Randy on 5/27/2003 at 12:56:13 AM
I see what some of you mean when you warn about the rapir growth rate of a collection. In four months I have collected over forty bikes. Garage/Yard sales, landfill sites and even walking with one of my grand kids up and down back lanes. Vintage bikes are everywhere! At least here in Northwestern Ontario, Canada.
As you all know, one's standards increase with understanding what is worth while and what should be left to rest in peace. My collection started with anything and now includes seven Sekines, nine Peugeots(French and Canadian made), three Raleighs(one a really nice origional Superbe, Dyno-hub and all), one Volkscycle(West German made), a Favorit, two CCM Targas(interesting at first), one CCM Redbird(28 inch wheel roadster and neat to ride), one Empire and one Olympic 10. I almost forgot to mention my fancy lugged Torpado with "Gain Robert" stuff($10.00 at a yard sale).
I'm in the process of learning about these machines and interested in sharing what I learn and you know, if anyone is interested.
My first interest is my Sekini Medialle 1976 vintage I htink. Several Medialles have come my way in the past four months, however; the one I really like fits like a glove and has a really nice frame(shimano dropouts, chrome molly butted tubes, very fancy lug work, rear axle adjusters, and chromes front fork bottoms and chain stays. The color is a cream or antique white, with a few minor scratches. Decals are good to fair but easy to repair. Front and rear derailleurs are Campy Nuvo Record(the nice looking kind???) as are the clamp on shifter controls. The whole bike, including the seat from bike hell was discovered in very good condition. I found it at the local landfill site along with an nicely preserved Raleigh Grand Prix twelve speed.
I hope to learn more about the bike. I believe that they were made in or near Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada which is about 450 miles from where I live. So far I have discovered very little on the net. I plan to take pictures and develop documentation for all of the bikes that I intend to keep. Perhaps we can share info.



   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Gralyn on 5/27/2003 at 12:00:11 PM
Well, it took me about 3 years to get up to about 40 bikes. In addition, I have about 10 I have parted out, and I have sold about 6 or 7. But around here - and especially now - those old lightweights appear scarce. For the most part - what I see showing up in thrift stores are old Murry mountain bikes (mostly 24") and an occasional Free Spirit. There was a long dry spell - then, a few lightweights appeared - now it's gone back into another dry spell.
I'm now finding myself in need of some alloy wheels - so I have been searching for a parts bike, etc. I used to could pick up an entire bike for about $10 or $15 - just for the wheels...or other various parts. It's now been a while since I saw a set of alloy wheels. I'm just going to keep my eyes open. And as folks say - it's when you're not really looking - that you come upon a nice find.
And yes, the way this hobby develops for most people....at first, you grab up everything you see...then later, as you discover what's valuable, good quality, etc., then you start passing on some - and become more selective.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by JONathan on 5/27/2003 at 4:30:27 PM
You hit it right on, Gralyn. Tap onto the flow, kick back and they'll appear as if beamed from space. If I search on a mission, it's a waste of time. I just keep a subconscious eye out. It works! Yes, the selective aspect kicks in after you wonder about why you "need" the bike. That doesn't happen too often with me...the wondering part. My main focus is on what the bike can do for a rider and can it be made up to ride for under $50 out of pocket. That's where the price comes into play. If the bikes are $25 to buy, then it has to be in good shape or have some useful components that can go for another bike that's a better candidate to "road up", as I say. Like; "Can I road this one up"? You are so right; the frequency of encounter is low for LW's. I have seen lots of vintage bikes on the path, lately. They are being "discovered", or maybe it's "cool" to be retro. I've seen a lot of commuters and fun-riders, too. Used to be that there were a lot of the core, on the carbon mounts, and I felt like an anomaly with a vintage LW. It's all coming about. The vintage LW are on the road! Hip, hip...JONathan

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Fred A on 5/27/2003 at 4:31:10 PM
Yes, garage sales and ebay brought my collection up to 54 last year. It had gotten completely out out of control, so I began selling some off. I'm down to 43 now, but my wife would like to see it down to one. Well, that won't happen, but I did promise to sell more. Space is a big part of it, so some Raleigh's, Peugeot's, Schwinn's, etc. will be going. If anyone out there lives on Long Island and is looking for something, let me know by email. I would like to see them go to a good home and be taken care of the way I have kept them.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Keith on 5/27/2003 at 4:50:50 PM
As Vlad. Lenin reportedly said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." My goal is to have them flow out at the same rate they flow in, always trying to improve the herd by keeping the upgrades and better bikes.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Rob on 5/27/2003 at 6:25:30 PM
Well...they do accumulate...I've got up around 60 now and am trying to institute a definite plan to start "thinning the herd".

Of the 60, probably at least 20, maybe more, I really like; the rest are a variety of parts bikes, some that can be put back on the road, some that are damaged too badly, and some I don't know why I'm keeping them. I've tried to focus more and more on upgrading, but I have a 'soft spot' for certain bikes, or types of bike,---Puegeots (UO/E/8;AO/E?-8) and more recently Nishikis.

But I will definitely get rid of at least half of them by the end of the summer...maybe. But, hey, a week ago I saw two Peugeots (AO-8 & UO-8) at a large thrift store...the AO-8(white) had replacement alloy rims, one fairly good...the price was marked down to $19.95 or 9CDN (about$14US). The UO-8 (green), in good shape, had an ADGA Model 28 leather seat in surprisinglly good shape with a nice patina--$29.95CDN ($18 or so US)...Gosh, I had to force myself to walk away...but I did...so there's hope...

On the other hand maybe I should check to see if they are still there...it was only a week ago...

      4 months - 40 bikes posted by John E on 5/27/2003 at 6:30:02 PM
Wow! How do you guys find space for them? I may have room for a few more when my sons, now 18 and 14, move out, but for now I am squeezing to accommodate 5, including one which lives primarily at my office. I have my personal bare minimum, ranked here in order of on-road performance: 1982 Bianchi for fast club and sport rides; 1980 Peugeot PKN-10 for commuting; 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo for long, comfortable rides and vintage bike club rides; 1972 Peugeot UO-8 for cyclecross, shopping, and theft-resistant general transportation; and 1988 Schwinn KOM-10 for offroad and national holidays (patriotic team/Paramount red-white-and-blue paint job). My bikes cover a broad spectrum of uses, with enough overlap to cover when one is down for parts or repairs.

   RE:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by JONathan on 5/27/2003 at 7:13:44 PM
I built special racks to suspend the bikes. I can get 8 onto one rack. A good 10x12 shed can handle 3 racks. The trick is to loosen the bars and take those dawgone pedals clean off the cranks. Then they compress quite well. I might add that it helps to remove the front wheel and mark it with a tag. That is critical to save time. Then there's the garage. None of our cars can get into the garage, except my Land Rover...Those Model A cars didn't take a lot of garage space. The trick for me is to hang the bikes so the floor is open for working. A few pieces of pipe and some old pulleys and you have a track. The hardest part is keeping it looking like you know what you're doing...not just another junk collector. That keeps the wife happy, too. I'll put a bike on my Blackburn WS-1 workstand and then I gain some credibility. Like I'm not just a guy who piles up bikes and lets them rust into oblivion. Good luck, all. I'm pullin' for you...JONathan
BTW, why can't I throw anything away?? I wasn't born that way, so maybe I can change.

   RE:RE:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Gralyn on 5/27/2003 at 7:46:57 PM
I recently sold a Lotus Excelle....there is a level of pain each time I part with one. If I had my choice - I would never part with any of them. Of course, the problem is space, and money. I could probably accomodate more bikes - but I need to re-arrange everything. I know I have the space - I just have everything unorganized. The ceiling of the garage is hanging with bikes, my workshop is hanging with bikes, I have 3 in my bedroom.
But when it comes to parting with them....OK....I just sold the Louts....OK...which one is next? It's hard to decide. I can name each one of them...and I think...maybe not.
I do have several I may just sell in a yard sale...because of the level of bike they are...by the time I sold it on e-bay...I would probably come out just a well in a yard sale.
One of my next projects will be to re-arrange everything so that I can better accomodate what I have - plus have room for more.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Rob on 5/27/2003 at 7:51:31 PM
There's a cranky old guy several blocks from my house with a garage full of old bikes...mostly rusting away, I would guess. I never have seen him doing anything with them. I haven't gotten near his stash, though...I've tried to engage him in chit-chat a few times, but he's definitely not receptive...most look like basic low end junk...old CCM's and other coaster type bikes, but there very well could be a few gems hidden in the pile...He's probably been finding them abandonned in parks and ravines for decades...

Gee...I hope my neighbors won't perceive me that way...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Tim W on 5/27/2003 at 11:46:02 PM
A elderly neighbour of mine worked many years as a chimney sweep, and collected many bikes that he saw while in people's basements. The whole bottom floor of his house was full of bikes, including Penny Farthings and many circa 1900 bikes.

He financed his retirement selling the bikes he had collected. I remember him once saying that he sold 3 bikes so he could re-roof his house. The movie industry rents bikes from him, and one local pub with a bicycle theme bought much from him for their decor.

Fanatical bicycle collecting could be re-classified as retirement planning. That's my excuse when I see the neighbours giving me funny looks.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   4 months - 40 bikes posted by Fred A on 5/28/2003 at 12:50:22 AM
One of my newer neighbors was puzzled every time he saw me going for a bike ride. He knows nothing of different brands of bikes, so he never took note of the name on what I was riding that particular day. One Saturday morning he stopped me and said, wyrly, "You keep painting the same bike a different color, right?" I got a good laugh out of that!

This just goes to show you how you take for granted the amount of bikes that you have. I keep trying to tell my wife about the investment value of some of them, but then she says to sell them now while I know what they're worth. Hey, its like trying to decide which of your kids you should sell and which ones to keep.

Still, they do take up an awful lot of room, especially the extra wheels, handlebars, derailleurs, saddles, etc., etc. The home-made rack that stacks 8 sounds nice for my shed, except then there would be nowhere to put the lawnmower, snowblower and such. My shed is 12x15 and there are 6 bikes in there now. My "Museum" is on the third floor of my house with 26 bikes (I use to do freelance artwork up there)in primo shape. Another6 are in the garage and 6 more in my parents basement.

Hey, time to check ebay and sneak another one in the house!