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Archived: Vintage Lightweights







VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It's been a while posted by: marc on 7/14/2004 at 5:55:04 PM
I've had some problems recently with my internet service provider so that's why I haven't posted in such a long time. And I have to say I've missed posting here, you guys are all awesome and I get so much information and thought provoking opinions here.

Well alot has happened since I last posted, some nice aquisitions, some weird riding events. I don't know if I should just write about it all in one post or break it down to a few. I guess I'll start with my recent aquisitions.

I think I found my girlfriend's birthday present, at least one of them. I found a very interesting Chiroda 5 speed mixte. The paint is fantastic. The color is this irresdescent lime green color. It's a very nice color and finish, almost looks it's some form of glass. The head tube is foil and perfect. The seat tube decals have some scratches but nothing bad. There's some winning race decals from 1965 I believe, could this mean the bike is from 1966? It has side pull brakes, chrome fenders, chrome rear rack, and my favorite a very nice chrome hockey stick chainguard. It has a simplex prestige derailleur and a simplex shifter on the downtube. It has the upright cruiser type handle bars. A nice bike overall. I saw it on a thursday for 20.00 but I prayed it would be there the following monday so I could get it for half off. My prayers worked. When I first saw the bike I thought it had some sort of two peice crank that is one side cottered (the non-drive side). When I got it home I looked at it again and I realized that it wasn't a pin holding the crank arm on but rather a bolt. I removed the bolt and the arm came right off. It has groves in order to position the crank in the right position and to keep it from shifting I'm assuming. It's a very nice design and I wonder why it never caught on. I didn't notice a maker, anyone have any idea who it may have been? I wonder if there could be a strength issue with this crank? Should i have any worry of the bolt snapping or anything like that? Well i think my gf is jealous of my club bike so I think that's what this will become.

Grayln should pay attention to this part of the post the most. This past sunday I hit the flea market looking for bikes. I didn't see much at first and out of the corner of my eye tucked next to a van I saw some drop bars. I walked over and guess what it was, a trek 400. It was a little big but I love those trek matrix wheels and I especially love the maillard 500 hubs and these were sealed so I had to pick it up. The guy wanted 80, I gave him 60.00. It's all original, except the handlebar tape. I had to change the tires and give it a tune up. It's a great ride. And grayln, it's from 1989 and it's exactly the same blue and yellow as yours. The diacompe edge brakes are great. The suntour edge derailleurs are nice too. I took the alloy quill pedals off, I'm sure they'll find they're way onto another bike, and put on some shimano look style pedals I picked up. It has suntour cranks but sakae chainrings which I believe are eliptical. Is this the same as yours Grayln? The only other thing I changed was the stem and bars, the original are too big for me and I pleasantly surprised myself while digging for replacements in my parts bin. I found a set of nitto olympiade bars and a nitto stem that I had completely forgotten about.

On this past monday I bought a 1973 Sunset Orange Super sport off of the back of a junk truck for 10.00 This is the second one of these that have come into my position, same year same color and they both have been the monstrous 26 inch frame size. I sold the first one, I may trade or sell this one. The seat is in at least nice shape and I'll be taking that off. If they weren't so wide I'd use those great old handlebars too. anyone interested?

That's it for now.

marc


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It's been a while posted by Gralyn on 7/14/2004 at 6:52:01 PM
I just got the Trek 400 finished up yesterday. I had been waiting for a shipment of bar tape I ordered to complete it. The bar tape came, I put it on (I got some yellow padded vinyl tape - I thought it looked cool.....however, from pics in a brochure....it would have had black bar tape). I then had to do some test-riding, adjusting, tweeking, slight trueing of wheels, etc.. It's all complete - and it looks great! This time - I remembered to take some "before" pictures. Most times - I don't even think about taking some before pictures. (Once I did - but didn't get all that good of pictures...and some were not close enough.....and so, the "after" pictures compared with the "before" pictures......they both looked about the same. Well, this time - I got some close-up detail. What I will do now - probably this evening - is take the exact same shots as the "before" pics.....then I can compare - and show the difference. I will have to send you some pics of it.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It's been a while posted by Gralyn on 7/14/2004 at 7:00:40 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention - it weighs right at 23 lbs. I put some 18 C kevlar bead tires on it (with those narrow Matrix rims - the 18 C's worked pretty good. It was difficult getting them over the rims.....and I pinched a tube.....but it wasn't too traumatic). It has some alloy quill pedals with toe clips and straps....probably get some weight from that.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It's been a while posted by marc on 7/14/2004 at 8:37:41 PM
I had the hardest time I've ever had with tires removing the old ones off the rims. I had a hard time putting new tires on as well, I got a blister on my thumb from the whole process. I put black cork tape on the bars. Since I ride every bike I own I have no problem using the cork. If I want something retro looking I'll go with the natural color cork tape. My hands are more important to me than the vintage look. Although I admit I have left the original tape on one of my super courses and my bianchi brava. I picked up some blue bennotto nylon tape and I was tempted to use it on the trek 400. But it looks very sporty with the aero levers and black cork tape.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It's been a while posted by Tom on 7/15/2004 at 3:42:26 AM
The LBS where I worked in the mid-70's brought in Chiorda occasionally. The 1965 date on the sticker is a reference to Felice Gimondi's Tour de France win, when he rode Chiorda for the Salvarani team. It simply means that the bicyle is newer than 1965.

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VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   singlespeed-new life for old bikes posted by: mike p on 7/14/2004 at 5:15:05 AM
called teenage son from work and suggested a bike ride for when I got home (1:30 am), and he waited up so we took out a pair of converted to SS bikes-a schwinn traveler and a peugeot touring bike-both stripped down ( the bikes) to 2 wheels, 2 brakes, frame and seat and bars- 52x 18 gearing and rode for 15 min without seeing a car-very quiet with 25mm tires and no deraillers, very fast to my son who rides a heavy full suspension mtb or at lightest a hardtail mtb.
know there are some who would not approve but these two bikes are now saved from the dump as are useful again-weren't as geared bikes as are too many, trek 2300, colnago sport, bianchis (3 although one of them is next on the conversion to ss stand-try ss or fixed gear (have an old nishiki with 48x16 fixed, still not used to it)opened ryan's eyes a bit (although he still made jokes about spandex bike shorts)...mike


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   singlespeed-new life for old bikes posted by Gralyn on 7/14/2004 at 12:08:39 PM
I have several bikes I have converted to single speed. I believe there are 7 of them: Nishiki Olympic, Fuji Special Road Racer, Hercules, Viscount, Raleigh Technium, Sekai, Schwinn ??. I weeded through my garage-full of bikes the other day - and pulled out 6 or 7 bikes I had decided that I just didn't really want...and that weren't really decent enough to try to sell....I thought about some of them being candidates for donation (If I fix them up a bit) and the rest - for the dump. But then I thought they may make good candidates for fixed gear. .....custom paint.....franken-bikes......

......riding at 1:30 a.m. ?


   new life for old bikes posted by John E on 7/14/2004 at 2:38:08 PM
Respectfully, I take the opposite approach, by adding more gear ratios to old bikes, generally a very simple process with friction shifters. Capo: 10 speeds to 14; UO-8: 10 to 12; PKN-10: 12 to 18; Bianchi: 12 to 14; son's Ross mountain bike: 21 to 24.

Gears are knee-friendly; gears accommodate my passion for hills; gears are wonderful for accelerating in traffic; gears let me spin the cranks to tell motorists I am going faster than they may realize; gear ratios and gearing systems are engaging (so to speak); gear changes are part of the fun of cycling.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   singlespeed-new life for old bikes posted by Elvis on 7/14/2004 at 3:46:27 PM
I have several: An old coaster brake cruiser that was given away as a Bass Ale Promotion, a cheaop clunker; A singlespeed univega mountainbike, running a 38tooth chainring or thereabouts and the second smallest rear gear; and my fixed gear centurion, which looks like a turn of the century track bike 'cept for the front and rear sidepull brakes and moutnainbike brake levers on the inverted cruiser bars -- I installed the brakes after the fashion of a pci of a 1930's road bike I saw on the 'net -- but using more modern parts. The fixed is currently 52x 18 tooth rear cog but I am thinking about going back to my 43tooth chainring like i used to use for the hills.

I love my geare bikes and homebuilt "club bike" 3-spd, but the fixed and ss's are in a class by themselves.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   singlespeed-new life for old bikes posted by mike p on 7/17/2004 at 4:56:55 AM
another 130 am ride, it's when i get home and what teenager doesn't want an excuse to stay up-made the hill I walked last time-hurts legs more so need to do this more often-going to have to look into Kool Stop pads as brakes on the two SS are rather weak and hesitant-pick up some tomorrow....mike

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   singlespeed-new life for old bikes posted by Derek Coghill on 7/18/2004 at 10:06:36 PM
I was riding the Schwinn single speed at 1am coming home last night/this morning. But the Motobécane is now a 12 rather than a 10 speed. And it has insulating tape on the handlebars (never yet got round to replacing it).

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   singlespeed-new life for old bikes posted by john on 7/24/2004 at 12:23:56 AM
As this group seems knowledgeable I would like to ask a question.I was offered a Trek 2300 (9 years old ) for $500.00. I am new to biking on the road and would like any opinions as to the value of this machine. Any help would be great. Thanks John
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VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   singlespeed posted by: mike p on 7/14/2004 at 5:15:05 AM
called teenage son from work and suggested a bike ride for when I got home (1:30 am), and he waited up so we took out a pair of converted to SS bikes-a schwinn traveler and a peugeot touring bike-both stripped down ( the bikes) to 2 wheels, 2 brakes, frame and seat and bars- 52x 18 gearing and rode for 15 min without seeing a car-very quiet with 25mm tires and no deraillers, very fast to my son who rides a heavy full suspension mtb or at lightest a hardtail mtb.
know there are some who would not approve but these two bikes are now saved from the dump as are useful again-weren't as geared bikes as are too many, trek 2300, colnago sport, bianchis (3 although one of them is next on the conversion to ss stand-try ss or fixed gear (have an old nishiki with 48x16 fixed, still not used to it)opened ryan's eyes a bit (although he still made jokes about spandex bike shorts)...mike







WANTED:   AVA stem for PX-10 posted by: P.C. Kohler on 7/13/2004 at 7:17:48 PM
Period correct vs. prudence...

Anyone out there have an AVA stem such as fitted to the Peugeot PX-10 they'd like to sell?? Prefer longer reach, NOS or good used condition.

Also looking for a 19" Ventolux pump such as those fitted to PX-10s.

Thanks

P.C. Kohler


   RE:WANTED:   AVA stem for PX-10 posted by JB on 7/14/2004 at 12:08:02 AM
Ebay periodically has AVA stems...you might consider ATAX or PIVO....ATAX is the stiffer of the lot and all three are period correct

   RE:WANTED:   AVA stem for PX-10 posted by sam on 7/14/2004 at 1:31:32 AM
Got both AVA and Atax stems.can send photo. email me at samclingo@hotmail.com






MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by: Peter Naiman on 7/13/2004 at 12:40:06 AM
It's time to remind everybody that the Larz Anderson National Bike Show is back again this year on Sunday August 8th, with set up time at 9:00AM, and actual show time from 10:00AM to 2:00PM. For full information please check our website at www.oldroads.com/show. Thank you once more to Vin Vullo of Oldroads.com for building and hosting our website for yet another year. Our Concour will again host bikes from all eras, from Antique to Balloon to Lightweight. All bikes are welcome, even your "old soldier". Trophies plaques will be given in numerous categories as in past year, and there will be a pre-show vintage ride at 9:00AM. Either check our website or please call me at my home phone @ 617-469-4581 for more information or to register a bike or more for the show.


   RE:MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by Ken on 7/14/2004 at 7:01:26 PM
This might be a good place to thank Vin and everyone associated with the world's greatest bulletin board, for continuing to be our hosts. Thanks also for the fabulous cheesecake photos from last year's show- how you gonna top that?






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX-10 components 1968 vs 1972 posted by: P.C. Kohler on 7/12/2004 at 1:34:02 PM
I love my '72 PX-10e. But the frame is one size smaller than I'd like. I am looking at a larger frame set but it's a 1968-69. I am not keen about "swapping" components from their original frame but this is tempting. From what I've gleaned from the various Peugeot websites etc., most of the components were the same. But what about the Stronglight crankset? I've seen pix of earlier PX-10s c. 1966 and the crank arms are different at least in stamping etc. Does anyone know what was on a '68 or '69?

Also bar tape... earlier PX-10s sometimes show white plastic bar tape instead of the more common black. Anyone know what was stock for '68 or '69??

Of course, the wonderful site with all the Peugeot catalogues is missing... 1968!

P.C. Kohler


      PX-10 components 1968 vs 1972 posted by John E on 7/12/2004 at 2:40:52 PM
Sometime in the late 1960s, the familiar Stronglight spider, with its single bolt circle of 122mm diameter, became standard equipment on the PR/PX-10. Before that, these bikes used a two-circle system, somewhat like the TA CycloTouriste system, although I think the outer diameter was still 122mm. Also, you may be caught in the timewarp between aluminum and DuPont Delrin Simplex derailleurs.

However you mix and match your Simplex and Stronglight, your PX-10 will certainly be more authentic than my 1980 PKN-10, with its Sugino mountain triple, MKS road quill pedals, SunTour Cyclone rear derailleur, 1970 SunTour downtube shift levers, and Shimano 600 front derailleur.






AGE / VALUE:   Fuji posted by: Tim on 7/12/2004 at 12:44:32 PM
Let me state right from the start that I know nothing about lightweights.OK my friend has a Fuji (DelRio I think it said) 12speed so I`m guessing it`s an older model,it`s in nice shape dark gray ,shiffters on down tubes, suntours ,quick release wheels etc. Anyway,do any of you lightweight guys have a general idea what this bike my be worth.
Thank you
Tim


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji posted by Ken on 7/12/2004 at 8:54:07 PM
There is a Fuji Del Rey approaching $100 on ebay today. I saved one from the junk man recently with the Suntour Edge derailleurs, 12-speed Accushift and some very nice DiaCompe Blaze aero levers and calipers. It was made in Taiwan. Forged dropouts and downtube shifter brazeons. It had oval chainwheels too. This puts it right about 1990; the Edge group was introduced in 1989, and the ovaltech was probably on its way out. I put some GB bars, a pair of Shimano wheels and a Sugino road triple on it and it weighs 25 lbs with 27x1 1/4 tires. Sweet ride.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji posted by my mistake on 7/13/2004 at 12:18:42 PM
A took another look it is a Del-Rey, The guy wants 100.00 bucks for it. It is a nice ridding bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji posted by JONathan on 7/14/2004 at 6:40:45 AM
A Fuji "supreme" came by this morning, while I was getting my newspaper. The usual commute rig heading for the train station. If anything strikes me about the Fuji VLW's, it is they are great bikes...and trhey last and last.
Personally, I think that $100 is a good price for any VLW from the top makers from Japan during the '80's, Fuji being one. I can't seem to find ANY at the usual sources of used bikes. I can't say anything about the Taiwan Fuji's. Mine is made in Japan ('86 "Team Fuji") as is my brother's (late '70's "Pulsar"). Hard to find better rides, although the Team is bit spunky for cruising due to geometry of frame tubes. Corners like it's on rails. I think a lot has to do with the wheels. First off, you need to get a test ride and if everything feels right for you, go for the bike at that price, for my 2 c's.
You won't have to worry about the frames on the Fujis. All the running gear can easily be swapped out later as it wears out or if you go to Campy or Dura Ace wheels. I splurged with a Campy front that I swap on for hills. I like wheels that spin real true and tight on downhills. Good luck,
JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji posted by Gralyn on 7/14/2004 at 12:18:38 PM
I think 100 is good price. I can pick up a bike like that from time-to-time for considerably less.......but then I am having to re-build and repair it....and by the time I get through with it.....100 would hardly cover what effort and $ I have in it. I believe these had Valite tubing also. I had one....the frame was too tall.....so I sold the frame....and used the components on other bikes.






AGE / VALUE:   Dent 1959 Bicycle posted by: Mel. on 7/11/2004 at 9:16:55 PM
Would anyone know any info about a small boy's Dent Bicycle,
made in Holland in 1959. It is in very good condition, red in color. Thanks!!!







WANTED:   WTB Simplex Prestige Derailleurs - Front/Rear posted by: Matt on 7/11/2004 at 6:20:15 PM
Must be nice and fully functional. Going on my 1972 Raleigh Super Course







WANTED:   WTB Huret long cage version of Luxe Comp Rear Derailleur posted by: Matt on 7/11/2004 at 6:19:17 PM
WTB Huret long cage version of Luxe Comp Rear Derailleur.







WANTED:   Peugeot info posted by: mike p on 7/11/2004 at 5:13:58 AM
Need to pick brains of resident peugeot afficionados-thrift store has an old bike-simplex-cottered cranks-26x 1 3/8" tires-alum fenders-lights-chrome fork-allegra tubes-mafac cp brakes-and very fancy lugs on head including what looks like an inspection port for the lowet headset bearing with the lid missing-odd bike with changed bars and brake handles-what is this? Very nice lugs.....Mike


   RE:WANTED:   Peugeot info posted by Ken on 7/12/2004 at 9:25:14 PM
Mike, check out these fabulous lugs
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/Peugeot_home.htm
and then go to
http://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/
and see if you can figure it out. The thing is, they were like Volkswagen (or Schwinn): they used the same designs and parts over very long periods. I wouldn't even be too sure about the bars and levers, since they made a wide range of touring, 'comfort' and road styles. I have a mixte touring bike with 700c wheels, cottered cranks and wingnuts(!) and it appears to date from the 70s. Let us know what you learn.

   RE:WANTED:   Peugeot info posted by mike p on 7/13/2004 at 1:59:22 AM
looked at the crmain and the catalogue-hard to see the images-had the same lugs as the fifties touring bike that was on crmain but later squared off headlight and cheaper type crank-when did they use (or when did they stop using) 26x 1 3/8" wheels and tires on peugeots? Bars are difinetly replaced as are powder coated flat bars-couldn't see anything looked like the ispection port on the headtube and most of the touring bikes had pumps on the cross tube-this one has permanent mounts on the downtube-oh well, guess I'll have to see if its still there and buy it if it is. Then take photos. Really nice squared off lugs, not like the px10 ones-mike

   RE:WANTED:   Peugeot info posted by mike p on 7/13/2004 at 1:59:41 AM
looked at the crmain and the catalogue-hard to see the images-had the same lugs as the fifties touring bike that was on crmain but later squared off headlight and cheaper type crank-when did they use (or when did they stop using) 26x 1 3/8" wheels and tires on peugeots? Bars are difinetly replaced as are powder coated flat bars-couldn't see anything looked like the ispection port on the headtube and most of the touring bikes had pumps on the cross tube-this one has permanent mounts on the downtube-oh well, guess I'll have to see if its still there and buy it if it is. Then take photos. Really nice squared off lugs, not like the px10 ones-mike

   RE:WANTED:   Peugeot info posted by Dick on 7/13/2004 at 1:24:43 PM
Mike,
I don't know when 26x1-3/8 were used on Peugeots but the nice thing about it is that you can probably run 700C's in that frame.
Dick

   RE:WANTED:   Peugeot info posted by mike p on 7/14/2004 at 5:13:01 AM
once more slow and steady does not win the race-someone else bought it, but if they are restoring it, or just looking for tires, I'm the only person I know of with NOS 26x1 3/8 tires in southern NB, so maybe i'll get a second chance. Hadn't thought about the 700c fitting.....hmmm...mike






MISC:   That was fun! posted by: Elvis on 7/11/2004 at 12:51:19 AM
Riding my mostly black Centurion "le mans" [all original decals long ago stripped save headbadge, and replaced by hand-painted skull and crossbones and red-one-black accenting of the lugs] which I did up into a retro fixed gear, has been great. It weighs less than my 2001 Trek cyclocross/road bike, and that is triple-butted aluminum! The Centurion is 52 in the front, an 18-tooth cog in the back, and with the 165mm SR Apex cranks and one-piece alu chainring, plus the inverted cruiser bars, it rides like a turn-of-the-century track bike!

After tooling around town -- and the next town over [5, 10 miles at a time not much more] I cut the time it takes me to tide over the mountain to my old university town from 35 minutes to twenty something once I got back on a geared road bike [my old Specialized from the 1980s].

But the most fun part of this bike is its vintage-ness, it is like going back in time 85 years -- Although I will advise others not to follow my example and ride a no-brakes fixed gear in traffic.
That said,
Does anyone else ride or have one of these things -- Care to share info one it? I was considering converting my Puch to a slightly more modern fixed gear, or maybe another retro job, it's a great candidate -- no frame braze one for brakes or cables, plus it has chromed fork and rear dropouts [though not a chromed fork] and chain tensioners built in. Any ideas?


   RE:MISC:   That was fun! posted by Derek Coghill on 7/12/2004 at 8:52:17 PM
It's not a fixie, but my Schwinn Super Le Tour has roughly the same gearing, 52 tooth front certainly but I haven't bothered finding out what the rear is. I don't do great distances or steep hills on it, it's my "pub bike"; I can ride it in to the city centre and not worry about it being stolen (I do lock it though). One you get the speed and rhythm going, it's great. Headwinds combined with gradients, not so good.

   gearing... posted by Elvis on 7/14/2004 at 5:35:06 PM
Same here... 52x18 is okay on flat and even semi-hills, but steep [as in got up to 40mph going down it] hills are a pain, going up! I ran a 48 on this bike when it had "cow horn" bars i cut down myself... Then I ran a 43 on my other fixed gear which used a modern [aluminum model from the year 2000] Trek 1000 roadbike.

Yesterday [7/13] i actually installed front and rear sidepulls w/ straight [mountainbike style] levers, after a pic of a 1930's roadbike i saw on the 'net... It works better [brakes help in traffic] and still has that vitnage look, but with modenr parts, only it looks like the old school roadbike, not a track machine...

Actually, it was 52 x 16 first, then I got the 18 tooth cog and 48 tooth chainring...

I loved my 43 tooth chainring on hills, called it "the Hillkiller" but it spun on descents which probably helped my crash a few months ago with a dislocated shoulder. Cost me more to have the rear wheel built up again than for the doctor bill... in the interim, to get my singlegear fix [pun intended] I turned my univega mountainbike [rigid] into a fixed using a 38 tooth chainring for cruising 'round the neighborhood... Now that the fixed is back and I've put it on my Centurion I'm lovin' it!
--Elvis






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   531 reynolds Decal posted by: steve on 7/9/2004 at 10:50:44 PM
Need to know if I can buy a new decal for my 1979 Raleigh super course road bike. I had the bike in the shop and when the person secure the bike in the stand the fragile sticker was destroyed.The decal said 531 butted reynolds tubing. The butted word was located across the 531# Please Help Thank you. Steve


    531 reynolds Decal posted by John E on 7/10/2004 at 3:24:32 AM
Reynolds 531 decal destruction has been a common problem. I do not know why so many framebuilders put the decal at the top of the seat tube, where it is vulnerable to clamp damage. (The leading end of the downtube is not that much better; the Reynolds 531 decal on my Peugeot PKN-10 has held up fairly well, but the Colombus TreTubi decal on my Bianchi was obliterated by the previous owner's gear changes.) I have not damaged the 531 decal on my Capo yet, but I regret asking CyclArt to put it near the top of the seat tube, instead of just above or below the front derailleur clamp position.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   531 reynolds Decal posted by Corey on 7/10/2004 at 5:17:41 PM
Note to everybody that has a similar decal configuration: make sure to request that the shop mechanic (or you yourself) raises the seat post and clamps the frame by the seat post, rather than at the fragile-frame-tube-decal position. Have him or her raise the post, first marking the height with electrical tape.

I've seen decals ruined on even new bikes by this. This is a necessity on newer thin wall aluminum or CF frames as well.

Corey

   531 reynolds Decal posted by John E on 7/10/2004 at 7:54:36 PM
Some mechanics may resist the seat post clamp suggestion, because it places the bike in an uncomfortably low position for them. Otherwise, it is not a bad suggestion. On some bikes, top tube clamping is another option; I used to do this at Bikecology with early 1970s PX-10s to avoid having the bike slide down the clamp, wiping out the Reynolds decal.

   bad shop methods posted by Elvis on 7/11/2004 at 12:39:33 AM
Ouch!

My sympathies on the decal's demise.

But I have to say, that sounds like bad shop method.

The shop I usually use here in NJ NEVER does anything EXCEPT clamp the bikestand onto the seatpost -- and they are nice enough to wrap some easily-removable tape around the original height so it gets put back right.

Obviously this is easier to do with mountainbikes that have quick release seatpost clamps, but it is something they do all the time. To every road bike. And this isn't just because the new bikes are oversized aluminum or carbon fibre which A: wouldn't fit the stand or B: would be damaged by clamping. It is something they always do.
If i had a stand at home it is what I would always do, too.

If find that if you go to an unfamiliar shop, having yer bike serviced is like ordering coffee. If you don't state right away certain essential requirements, it's like asking for a small cup of blakc coffee at the diner and not saying "No sugar". You could get your bike screwed up.

Of course, if I had a REALLY nice vintage bike like that, I'm not sure I'd trust a shop, unless it had at least one expert and/or fan of old school. Which is another thing to think about... When decidin' which shop to frequent of even who to talk to, find out who there rides what.

The interests and expertise will vary, some will by hard-core mountainbikers, some will be roadies and some will just plain old dig the old bikes. Usuallly every shop has an old bike fanatic, or at least someone with an appreciation for vintage.
Wait for that person, if it involves handling your bike. On a busy day it'll cost 15 minutes or so, maybe a little more, but it can save innumerable headaches.
As to fixing it, I dunno' -- you may have to have someone print a copy, but I'm sure there is some way to replace it. Someone here must know! Best of luck.

   RE:531 reynolds Decal posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/11/2004 at 12:47:10 AM
Find a new bike shop. My regular shop has never damaged a decal. They usually wrap plastic around the seat tube. A little bit of extra care. Or just not being thoughtless and stupid. I'd make sure the cycle shop PAYS you for the new transfer. It's not the decal or where it is. It's thoughtless carelessness by folks raised on cheap, throwaway bikes.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:531 reynolds Decal posted by JONathan on 7/11/2004 at 4:25:59 AM
I recall a "Lloyd's" something name in UK for decals. Try a search, is my advice.
As for decals getting trashed by careless mechanics. I rest my case for one doing his/her own mechanical work, if possible. The painting and special frame repairs are usually reserved for experts, who know better, or at least they can try to avoid obvious blunders like scraping off a decal while clamped up.
My personal feeling is that decals are cool, but they have no effect on how the bike runs. However, I try to use neoprene pads if I have to clamp onto the pipes; which is not often. Good luck finding a decal set for the SC. Happy rides, anyway. Those are fine bikes. I missed the boat onpicking up one a year back.
They are not very common here in Ca.
JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:531 reynolds Decal posted by mike p on 7/11/2004 at 5:09:29 AM
I work on many bikes per week, both higher quality and dept store stuff, mt and rd, and i use a cutoff 1 1/8" steel stem in the seattube and clamp it in the stand-bike clamp is now parallel to floor(sort off) and no scratches on bike anywhere.
have a bianchi road frame I bought which had been clamped too tightly in a stand and crushed in the seat tube a bit-bought for the fork but will be able to use frame. Mike






AGE / VALUE:   Mystery road frame posted by: Robert on 7/9/2004 at 7:33:28 PM
I picked up an older road bike with some Campagnolo accessories. The derailleur is dated 1971 and the frame serial number on the bottom bracket has a two digit number preceeding 1971 as well. Frame has lugging, with a semicircle/D like shape cutouts on the lugging. The underside of bottom bracket has three grooves/slots. Frameset is light and has the Campy drops. Could anyone help me identify this frame?


      Mystery road frame posted by John E on 7/10/2004 at 3:20:53 AM
You may be able to determine the nationality by checking the BB shell width, i.e., 70mm almost guarantees an Italian pedigree, which is consistent with the other features you mentioned. There must be a clue in the cutouts on the lugs and the BB shell; let's hope someone else can identify those. At any rate, it sounds like a great find, particularl if it is Italian.






VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by: Gralyn on 7/9/2004 at 5:13:15 PM
I made a stop today at my favorite thrift store (the one where I got a good many of my bikes). I immediately spot a "new kid on the block" so to speak. It was an old green-colored Schwinn. At first I noticed the randonneur bars with that upward curve (I really like those). Then I notice it has alloy wheels (that's always a plus....and lots of times - I just pick up a bike for parts anyway). Then I notice QR both front and rear (another plus). Then I notice alloy 3-piece crankset (another plus). Then I see the model: Schwinn Sports Tourer.

I've never had a Schwinn Sports Tourer before: I've had one Continental - which I sold, lots of World Sports, and Travelers. I continue my examination: lugless frame......frame sticker which indicates ChroMo (another plus). The flare at the frame tube joints, and the ChroMo.....I'm certain it's a hand-made fillet brazed frame. Continuing on.....Brooks B-15 leather saddle, Campy Grand Tourismo rear der., I think the crankset is Nervar - and it looks different from anything I have. Rat trap pedals with toe clips and leather straps, kick stand is welded-on. Schwinn center pull brakes, Schwinn levers, Schwinn front der. It has those really long stem shifters with the "S" on them....these are mounted at the base of the handlebar stem.....actually acts as a washer between the head tube bearing retaining nut and the lock nut. High flange hubs, Weinmann alloy rims. It has those skip-tooth large rear cogs. It has those old-style gray cable housings - the more flexible kind....the kind I was looking for to go on my Bottecchia) A really cool and retro-looking green color. The finish is not bad at all. Only a few minor scratches here and there. The components are in great condition - there is hardly any oxidation. It looks to me that this bike was stored inside, low humidity, for quite a while. Not sure how much use the bike ever got....but it has been well taken care of.

I'm not sure of the date of manufacture. I can probably find something from a serial number chart - to be able to tell when it was made. It's too old to have the date stamped on the head badge. It has a serial number running horizontal on the head tube. It will be very enjoyable to fix this one up a bit - it will be quite easy to get it looking very sharp and almost new.

Yesterday, I had spotted an old Continental. It was very heavy, no QR, big one-piece crankset, heavy steel rims. I'm glad I held out and didn't get it. Heck, I got the Sports Tourer for less than I could have got the Continental.

I looked up some info. in the archives....from what I could tell - it seems the bike is all original. All I need to do now is determine the date of mfg.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Ken on 7/9/2004 at 5:54:43 PM
It's great how they picked the components- for Chicago assembly- from England (the GB randonneur bars- I love 'em too), the French hubs and front derailleur, ... Brooks, Campy- sweet find!

   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by John E on 7/9/2004 at 7:23:32 PM
Nice find, Gralyn. Yes, the Sports Tourer is a significant step up from a Continental. Some of the other oldroads VLW regulars will be VERY jealous of you.

With the serial number on the base of the head tube, almost definitely with a 2-letter prefix, determining the month of frame manufacture should be very easy.

Your TwinStik shift levers were introduced in 1967 and were standard equipment on Varsinentals, Suburbans, SuperSports, etc. into the early 1980s.

   RE:Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Gralyn on 7/10/2004 at 1:41:14 AM
I checked the serial number....."L G"XXXXXX which should put it at Nov, 1971. It appeared it had been kept in running condition - so, I checked everything out, pumped up the tires, adjusted the saddle - then took it for a little spin. Everything works great....wheels are true, gears shift good, brakes work good, etc.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by jack on 7/11/2004 at 1:30:57 AM
Add another jealous one here Grayln. May I ask what manufacturer markings are on the hubs and quick-release levers? More info on these models may be found at www.sheldonbrown.com/schwinn-braze.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Gralyn on 7/12/2004 at 11:45:59 AM
I checked the hubs - it looks to be Schwinn Deluxe....Made in France? The QR skewers say Schwinn.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Patrick on 8/31/2004 at 8:18:26 PM
Gralyn,

Great find! I found a similar one this spring except mine was a total mess. Your cranks are probably TA Specialties. The hubs are Schwinn branded Normandy DeLuxe high flanges. Since mine is such a disaster, I am thinking of starting over and converting it to a single speed or fixed gear. For you and everyone else out there looking for info on these unique Schwinns, check out this link: http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/detail7074.html. A friend of mine helps with this site and it is a wealth of info and includes some nice pics and vintage ads for each model year.
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