AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Bianchi Identification help posted by: Geo on 1/6/2006 at 4:26:13 PM
Hi all, does anyone know how to identify Bianchi bikes by serial# ? I just purchased a small framed (51cm' ish), chrome lugged (with integrated headset) road bike. It has Campy dropouts, Bianchi signed, chromed steel cottered crankset, Campy NR derailers (rear pat '71) and shifters, universal centerpull brakes, a generic steel seatpost with a tattered "Record" saddle, generic looking bars, a "Grand-Prix stem and clinchers with hi-flange Campy Record hubs and a 5 speed rear (quite dirty but a quick swipe shows a gold tone so perhaps a Regina Oro) I would love to restore it (the paint is terrible and it has ZERO decals) but I have no idea of the model or age. Any help or web sited that may be useful would be greatly appreciated. I can't figure out how to post pics here but I can e-mail you a pic if you send me an e-mail. Thanks!
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      Vintage Bianchi Identification help posted by John E on 1/6/2006 at 6:46:11 PM
Email me some pictures, if you wish. Please post the s/n. The rear derailleur sounds too new for a high-end frame with cottered cranks (early 1960s). I think Bianchi gave up on the integrated headsets in the early 1970s.

What I know about Bianchi s/n's:
1) 1962 bottom-of-the-line Bianchi Corsa: 2F51703
2) 1981 Bianchi Campione d'Italia: 1M.9916

Does the first digit of the s/n = the last digit of the year of production? Could be ... Does the letter signify the month of production, making this a bit like the early 1960s Schwinn system? Could be ...
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VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1978 coppi racing bike posted by: Jimmy on 1/1/2006 at 5:09:12 PM
Just retired from the Air Force and got my wife's old bike out of storage. I believe it is a Coppi with a Z50 Fiorelli frame. It has some campagnolo parts and universal super 68 brakes. It is all original except for the rear derailer and is in poor condidtion . I was going to throw it away but I thought somebody might be interested.
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     1978 coppi racing bike posted by John E on 1/3/2006 at 8:44:01 PM
Where are you located? What is the frame size?
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FOR SALE:   23" Raleigh Sports for sale posted by: Bruce on 12/31/2005 at 1:47:14 AM
I have a 73 sports I am parting with, thought I would try here before ebay. It has red "R" nuts, a long seat post, B72 Brooks, pump (doesn't work), bag & kickstand off a 63 Rudge. I bought this from someone who thought the hub was bad, after having it rebuilt I discovered it wasn't the hub it was just loose where the pedal attached. I felt like an idiot after discovering that so I didn't even tell the mechanic at the shop. I had taken the bag, kick stand and 1 wheel off of a 63 Rudge and installed on this one. I can send pics if anybody is interested. I plan on having it packed at a bike shop to ship from the Dallas area.
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VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gum Hoods posted by: Gralyn on 12/30/2005 at 1:10:19 PM
I have this idea in my head: I think I should be able to find hoods - rubber, gum, whatever, for the non-aero brake levers.......but somewhere in the $5 - $7 price range. I just think that's about what they should cost. I have seen them on e-bay and various other places.....but I just can't bring myself to pay around $20 for a set of hoods. Maybe the levers and hoods.....but not just the hoods. Has anyone found a source for these hoods?

I guess the same goes for track cogs, too. Most of my track cogs - I paid $5 - $7 for.....now I can find them for around $20.
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   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Gum Hoods posted by James on 12/30/2005 at 8:13:26 PM
Surprisingly enough I got a set of non-aero gum hoods for a 80's Fuji DelRey at my LBS. Only $7.50 for the pair. Amazing considering they don't have the buying power of a mail order superstore. Track cogs are another matter, the same LBS wants $35 each. I got mine through the local bike coop for around $20 instead which is comparable to mail order without the shipping costs.

J
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    Gum Hoods posted by John E on 12/30/2005 at 8:20:26 PM
I find black hoods VERY easy to come by, but gum hoods practically nonexistent.
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   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gum Hoods posted by Douglas on 12/31/2005 at 5:39:45 PM
Try www.biketoolsetc.com

They have Dia-compe non-aero lever hoods in gum (DC-B1447B) for $5.49 a pair.
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   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gum Hoods posted by Gralyn on 1/1/2006 at 12:12:52 AM
I check out the link.

I looked in an LBS - and they had some for like $12-13. They had black for $10.
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   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gum Hoods posted by Gralyn on 1/1/2006 at 12:18:18 AM
.....oh, just something I happened to think about....those "gum" hoods......which must be made of some type of "gum" rubber or something.....but every old bike I have found with those hoods - they have been "melted down". They look like they have been burned up in a fire or something. I suppose if you had new ones - would they eventually see the same fate?
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Gum Hoods posted by James on 1/3/2006 at 6:42:58 PM
Gralyn,
That was exactly what I came across that forced me to look for new hoods. I was restoring the Fuji for a friend and her hoods looked like they had burned and melted. Sticky stuff and a real pain to remove. She told me it was stored outside in the backyard shed for ten years, never exposed to flame of fire. I imagine just the summer heat in the shed broke them down.

J
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   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gum Hoods posted by Shaun on 1/3/2006 at 9:46:21 PM
When buying gum hoods, be sure they are really gum if you have your heart set on it. I have found several sources that advertise the brown vinyl hoods as if they are gum (including pictures of real gum hoods), then justify it by saying that the manufacurer (in this case Dia Compe) no longer offers the gum hoods so they are substituting the brown. They work and they look alright, but they are NOT gum.
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VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by: Gralyn on 12/30/2005 at 12:49:43 PM
I had 3 Raleigh GP's....Red, White, and Blue ones.....sold the blue one.....so I recently spotted a blue one...and the price....I just couldn't pass it up. I had no problem identifying my other GP's - by the colors and components - they were 1974 models. However, this newest GP.....I have not been able to ID. The color scheme is Dark Blue and Light Blue (as opposed to the Blue/Black, White/Black, Red/Black - from 1974). I looked through as many archived catalogs I could find - but I could not fine this color scheme in any of them.

I could not find any catalogs from like 1978 - 1982....and judging from the bike and it's components - that's probably where it's from. Alloy "Raleigh"-branded crankset with outer ring chain guard, Alloy "Raleigh"-branded center pull brakes, Alloy "Raleigh"-branded deraillers. Looks to be alloy stem and bars (bars have light blue foam grip) It has single lever brakes with gum hoods (no safety levers). Down-tube bolt-on shifters. The wheel set seems weird to me: Sovos QR hubs front and rear - also looks to have stainless spokes......but steel rims. I don't know if it was original or not - but the wheel set looks to be in remarkable new-looking condition. I don't know if those are good hubs or not - but they look like nice hubs...and the spokes look nice....and actually the rims look nice.....but I would have expected to see an alloy rim with those hubs and spokes. (I've seen this before.....a nice looking hub and spokes....with a steel rim......and I've seen really cheap-looking bolt-on hubs and rusty steel spokes - with an alloy rim). Well, to continnue on...the seat post looks to be alloy.......the saddle had a gel cover over it.....I just lifted it enough to see if there was a leather saddle underneath - it wasn't - it was vinyl.

Does anyone have any identification / information on the Raleigh's from about 1978 - 1982?

(of course, when I strip it down - I can probably find some dates on some of the components)
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   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by David on 12/30/2005 at 1:38:22 PM
I can't be specific; my catalog is from 1975 but the GPs I looked at then were more like the one you describe. They had Japanese Raleigh-branded components. I doubt very much that the wheels you describe are original, though.
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   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by Kurt K. on 12/30/2005 at 1:53:18 PM
First year for those Blue-on-Blue Jap GP's was 1977.

http://www.retroraleighs.com/catalogs/1977/pages/05-77-grand-prix.html

Simply disgusting, IMHO. Looks like your ordinary department-store 10-speed. Then again, it is...

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by Gralyn on 12/30/2005 at 2:31:04 PM
Yes, that's it.......mine is probably a '77.....looks just like that.....except for the wheels, of course.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by Kurt K. on 12/30/2005 at 11:31:02 PM
Keep those wheels - they sound nice...then again, anything with stainless spokes is nice.

I did find out one good use for my rusty, disgusting, Carmine/Black 19.5" Raleigh Grand Prix though: After a few modifications (Such as: A pair of Universal 93 brake calipers, Cinelli track bar & stem, crusty Sugnio Super Maxy crankset, and a Shimano 3C 3-speed hub laced into the cycle's parts-box rear rim), it has taken the form of a wacky, home-built, 3-speed triathlon machine.

I plan to weigh this frankenbike when all is said and done, to see how much weight was saved by these crazy modifications.

-Kurt
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   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by David on 12/31/2005 at 12:46:16 PM
And some of the older (all-European parts) GPs have Brampton flip-flop hubs.
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   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by Kurt K. on 12/31/2005 at 2:54:19 PM
Is that right? Hmm. Mine came with all-euro parts (including a steel Stronglight double), but it was less it's rims. Darn it!

-Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by Gralyn on 1/1/2006 at 12:15:47 AM
Hey, I was going over my newest ('77) Grand Prix......it does have Japanese components.....but it says "Made in England" on it.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Grand Prix Question posted by Kurt K. on 1/1/2006 at 3:01:21 PM
That's correct, Gralyn. Made In England with "Raleigh" badged Suntour (mainly) components.

My '76 Gran Sport (531 model, mind you), came with these same lousy components.

Sure, they work well, but they weigh a ton and don't look high-quality.

-Kurt
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