MISC:   hellenic frame posted by: Barry on 10/29/2007 at 1:19:13 PM
Hi i have just aquired an hellenic frameset without head badge looking for any clues to identifir it It was originaly all chrome but has been resprayed i would date it late 40s early 50s going by the handle bars and gb stem and what looks like nervux pro lugs,
the frame number is on the rear wheel strut the number being T75 it has not got the thanet distinctive bottom bracket hope any one can help
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   RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by John j on 10/29/2007 at 3:23:40 PM
"hellenic" style seat stays were a Hetchins frature, google Hetchins, there is a registry, so if it is they probably know. Beyond that, you did not mention the threading, there were many French builders who constructed with seat stays that finished at the top tube ahead of the seat lug.
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   RE:RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by Threading on 10/30/2007 at 4:52:09 AM
Hi thnks for the reply how can i find the type of threading regards Barry
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   RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by John J on 10/30/2007 at 5:03:03 AM
Depending on the BB make, there are markings in text or code marks. If apart, then much easier, chainwheel side with lefthand threading, Most likely British, there is Swiss, but pretty rare. Italian is 36 x 24, French is 35 x 1, English is 1.370 x 24.
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   RE:RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by Hellenic on 11/4/2007 at 9:17:22 AM
thanks for the info i have found it is not a Hetchins it is British late 40s early 50s
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AGE / VALUE:   milano sport posted by: kevin bolton on 10/28/2007 at 2:49:42 PM
i just got an old milano sport for free.is this worth anything.i cant find any info on this bike.it is 10 speed with simplex drivetrain and works well.does any one know anything about it.it says made in italy.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   milano sport posted by John J on 10/29/2007 at 8:02:15 PM
I have seen two of these appear on ebay over the years, foil graphics, bike boom imports basically from what I have seen, Peugeot UO8 fighters, if it fits might be worth an inestment of time, but probably no hope of recouping the investment of time and possible parts, save from saddle time.
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AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by: John B. on 10/26/2007 at 4:36:53 PM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Have several vintage Masi bicycles, all Italian, one built for myself in Milan while I built wheels for F. Masi under the vigorelli. One built for E. Mercks while he was Mexico City setting the hr. record... which pretty much dates the bikes. And one G.C. Masi 58 cm which I raced in the early 70's. Now in my 60's and want to get rid of a few bikes but not sure what they are worth and how best to get rid of them? They are all full Campy Record and Super Record and great cond.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by dwdummer on 10/26/2007 at 5:47:51 PM
Hi John,

I have been looking for several yrs for a masi to ride. You should look at ebay which currently has several bikes listed. Of the vintage lightweights, masi seems the hottest market. I need a 61cm-62 cm as measured by masi or a 60cm c2c. Sounds as if your bikes would be too short. If not and you do decide to sell please let me know. I would prefer an italian bike and preferably with nervex lugs.

Thank you, Don
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by David on 10/27/2007 at 10:51:07 AM
I too would like a great deal on a tall Masi. But you'll do a lot better on ebay. See item # 270179983074 (a Colnago that sold for $2400) for an example of a very good listing. Use the advanced search to look for Masis that have recently sold. Good luck.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by eufi2 on 10/27/2007 at 2:38:38 PM
Greetings, My two masis bikes are around 58 cm. C2Top. The one that was made for E. Mercks is much taller and I really don't remember?? Think 59 or 60? But when I look at the head tube it is taller by far. I didn't know that Mercks ever raced a bike that wasn't white with a red head tube and down-tube panel. Saw pic of his world-record bike from Oct 72 and it was a Masi painted orange... not sure if it was a re-paint? But check it out. When he went into the bike bisuness... all that I saw were painted orange... go figure? In the old days people sure rode bikes a lot taller that they do today. The Mercks Masi is white w/red head tube and red down-tube panel. The bottom bracket shell doesn't have the M punched ont... rather a series of ovals, like they did to make the light Masi Specials. Check out pic of his 1972 world record Orange Masi and tell me what size frame you think it is??? JOHN
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John J on 10/27/2007 at 3:53:35 PM
It is pretty well documented that the Merckx Mexico City Hour Record bike was a Colnago with Merckx downtube label and Windsor elsewhere, as they kicked on some money for the attempt, but it had a clover engraved fork crown. That takes nothing away from your bikes however, but attempting to tie them to Merckx without solid documentation would be best set aside. Referencing ebay is a reasonable way to snapshot the market. Might try bhovey.com Bob is Mr. Masi Info. Specials in the 60's and even the earliest Gran Criteriums did not use M cut out Bottom brackets, had various multiple port patterns, not a denotion of a special lightweight frame. Do visit the bhovey.com Masi site, look up Masi Bits, it will take you a while to go through it.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John B. on 10/28/2007 at 9:33:12 AM
Thanks for taking the time and sharing your expertise. For all these years I was in error about Merck's hr. record bike. If I would have seen the fork close up.... Also, thanks for the info on the bb shell punch-outs. I always thought that in a small way it was an effort for weight reduction in the Specials. Where the M punch out on the G.C's was more of a trade-mark? Also, no idea that they carried the oval punch-outs to the early G.C. bikes, as all that I have seen had the M. Will check out the sites you suggested. What did people do before the internet? : ) Thanks again, JOHN
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John B. on 10/28/2007 at 9:41:33 AM
Aslo, I see a lot of errors in my posting: The red panel is was on the seat-tube not the down tube! Also, the Campy equipment is Record/Nuovo Record... not Super Record... sure the list continues! Thanks again for all the info. JOHN
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by dwdummer on 10/28/2007 at 9:57:44 AM
Hi John,

To answer your question on size, I suppose the easiest way would be to measure the bike. As Mr.Hovey notes the size was sometimes stamped on the bb. I did find a picture of the world record bike on wiki and it appears to be taller than 57cm c2c. My brother has a 61cm masi as measured by masi and the WR bike seems similar in size. Hope this helps. Don
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John J on 10/28/2007 at 7:58:16 PM
A Gran Criteruim with a red seat tube and head tube panel was popular for a time, Masi built many if not all of the Faema team bikes for a period and while they did not carry the Masi transfers were easily identified as by Masi. The M punched out BB shell became a Masi trademark, if one examines the images in the Bob Hovey site of visits to the Vigorelli, shown hanging on the wall are new frames with "ported" and M stamped shells. I think 1971 was the transition year.

Masi measures a bit differently than most, basically to the tip top of the seat lug point, so compare to others a Masi 57 might seem small, this was a time prior to measureing center to center. Also, while there are "stock" sizes, getting a made to measure bike was not a problem.

Don't put much stock in comparing road to track frames to guess sizes, track bikes had tighter clearances at the fork, which for a given size would increase the head tube length AND a higher bottom bracket, again making for a longer head tube, throw in variations in top tube length and there are way too many variables to guesstimate.
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    vintage Masi bicycles posted by John E on 10/29/2007 at 6:45:21 AM
Required viewing for all Masi fans: "Breaking Away," in which our young hero rides a red Gran Criterium.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John B. on 10/29/2007 at 3:49:55 PM
Thanks again, I remember the movie "Breaking Away" but didn't remember he was riding a Masi Gran Criterium, did remember how disillusioned he bacame with all things Italian. After this love-affair with anything Italian. As I recall some Italian road-racer stuck his bicycle pump into his back wheel and he went down. That would have done it for me as well. That was the right movie?? Old age is a bitch... on the bright side I will soon be able to enjoy everything again for the first time... : ) JOHN
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John J on 10/29/2007 at 6:57:23 PM
The pump in the spokes was the part that was the least realistic, even the drafting the truck in the 42t ring was better. Seen guys get hit by spectators, but never a pump in the spokes, a series of attacks would have been much more real, but less Hollywood.

It appears ther is no more interest in referencing the two bikes.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by Frank Z. on 3/13/2008 at 5:08:12 PM
I toured Europe in 1984 & had a Masi custom built, equiped with Super Record. By the time I received the bike a year later, I was out of racing & never rode. Kept it in a bike case for years, bright blue color with yellow trim. Anybody have an idea what it's worth, Thanks
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by Frank Z. on 3/13/2008 at 5:13:51 PM
I toured Europe in 1984 & had a Masi custom built, equiped with Super Record. By the time I received the bike a year later, I was out of racing & never rode. Kept it in a bike case for years, bright blue color with yellow trim. Anybody have an idea what it's worth, Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   90.91 Schwinn World Sport 12 speed posted by: Ron on 10/26/2007 at 4:19:03 PM
Hey Ken, Can you tell me what issues you ran into when adding the third chain ring to the sugino crank set. I just got a 26 but i then found that the mounting holes have no threds. It looks like i will have to tap them out and add a spacer to mount it with the proper spacing between inner and middle chain rings.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   90.91 Schwinn World Sport 12 speed posted by Gralyn on 10/27/2007 at 8:37:12 AM
Or, you could find a crank that already has the holes threaded. I'm sure they aren't too hard to find - and not too expensive. Most of the time - the bottom bracket spindle is sufficiently long enough on the right side to accomodate the triple chainrings....that is, the 3rd chainring is out far enough and won't hit the chain stay. (of course, I have attempted to put a triple on an actual "racing" bike - and it would not accomodate it. But, with a World Sport - there should be no problem.

I have several crank sets with the holes there - but the holes had never been tapped. ....and I have some with the holes tapped. And....most of the front ders. will also have sufficient motion to accomodate a triple.

A triple sure can make a big difference in hilly terrain.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   90.91 Schwinn World Sport 12 speed posted by Barb on 10/28/2007 at 9:41:47 PM
I have a Schwinn World Tourist here, lady's 3 speed, all original Chicago 60639. What's it worth? Condition is good, needs tires and chain is rusty.
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AGE / VALUE:   1963 Gazelle posted by: Lisa on 10/25/2007 at 2:04:00 PM
I am very seriously considering purchasing a 1963 Gazelle lightweight road bike. It is in fair condition: decals are scratched, half missing, a little surface rust, chrome looks pretty. good. The cloth screen fromt he chain guard and back wheel are missing, but it looks like everything else on bike is original. Including hub generated light!

I love this bike - the uniqueness of the chain ring alone has got me mesmerized. But I have no idea how much it is worth, or how much I should be willing to pay....

any ideas?


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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1963 Gazelle posted by ronp6 on 10/26/2007 at 3:06:28 PM
You should post this in the English and 3 speed area. You are more likely to get a knowledgable response.

I like the rod brakes. They won't stop the bike in the rain but you'll even look good after the crash. I'd pay $100 but I'm cheap.
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