MISC:   Hosteler - from both Gitane and West Germany posted by: Roger on 5/30/2007 at 6:47:15 PM
well, researching on Hosteler in the Old Roads archives, I saw someone say, the nice thing about this hobby of vintage bikes sometimes, is what you find, can be fullfilling vs. just setting down the dough for some nice velos from online; and I found a Hosteler, it was okay, I think, it was relatively light too, road type bike, goldish frame; but this was definitely one of the West German models, not a Gitane model; 2 bikes had the same name apparently.

If I had the luxury of open space, I might have gotten it; but for what? For the heck of it??? Still well made but maybe not quite for me. As it is, I cleaned house a bit this spring to have room, so maybe something still awaits; but I think in this case, it is better to be happy with what I already have and maybe use my funds to improve what I have.

Heck, made my year; let alone day, bikewise, to find this Butcher Bike; really, that is how to describe the Royal Scot I've latched onto.

p.s. If anyone is really interested in the W. German Hosteler, you can IM me and I can forward mail to the guy selling it and where to see pictures of it if you care.

It was kind of cool that on the saddle post tube; was a decal for the Olympics; the rings at least, so I am thinking somehow this is probably contemporaneous to the Munich Olympics to within a few years.



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   RE:MISC:   Hosteler - from both Gitane and West Germany posted by John Goodlove on 4/13/2008 at 6:21:33 AM
Hello
I own a Hosteler bicycle & I would like find more info on it. Please respond.
Thank You
John Goodlove
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AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by: james on 5/30/2007 at 6:24:32 AM
hi i am new at vintage bikes i found a beautiful austrian european lightweight bicycle.made for sears in 1972 .i have not found much info on bike .frame is esge ,weinmann brakes ,german hub,and a cool basta lock.any info at all such as possible values or collectability or ?.it has 3 speed in hub.model 503.473870 mens bike.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Joe White on 6/1/2007 at 9:17:49 PM
I just found this bike in my grand mothers shed. It is a 1972 sears tote cycle 3 speed


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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Chris on 6/2/2007 at 1:49:08 PM
Racks say: Esgee Pletcher

good quality. They made the alloy kickstand that is unique as it allows the rod brake linkage for the rear rod brake on the 28 inch rod brake Raleigh Tourist bobbie bike.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 5/30/2007 at 7:03:33 AM
I have never seen an ESGE frame, but I have seen many ESGE kickstands.

Yes, at one time Sears sold house-branded Steyr-Daimler-Puch bicycles, before switching over to the dark side and peddling American-made boat anchor Huffys and Murrays.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by JAMES on 5/30/2007 at 7:15:29 AM
yes it has esge stamped on the frame then lizenz phletcher next to esge the kickstand is also esge no steyr daimler puch on it it is called, european lightweight bicycle thanks for the replies
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Chris on 5/30/2007 at 3:47:06 PM
I have a Esgee woodcarving. Shows a guy atop a highwheel bicycle. engraved: Esgee

When Farber cycle in Detroit moved to the great bike shop distributor place in the sky ( retired or went bankrupt not sure) I leaned over Bill's desk and asked: "How much for this?"
I was buying up inventory as they were shutting their doors. I paid $50.00 for it. Too rare and unique to miss. Still have it.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 5/31/2007 at 8:45:18 PM
"Lizenz" = "license" (or "franchise" or "permit")
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 5/31/2007 at 8:47:15 PM
Are you sure it doesn't say, "Pletscher," maker of kickstands, racks, and other cycling accessories?
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by JAMES on 6/1/2007 at 7:12:08 AM
yes you are correct pletscher ,and esge next to it on frame .
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by David on 6/1/2007 at 2:56:47 PM
I think Pletscher and ESGE were/are related somehow. Pletscher is Swiss and I think ESGE is German but they make basically the same products. Maybe there's a license.
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Chris on 6/1/2007 at 2:57:20 PM
Had a not been nervy and disrespectful by leaning over the desk and plucking it off of the wall...... The price might have been lower.

I did a lot of cherry picking and plucking that day.. Farber got plucked.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 6/1/2007 at 3:16:36 PM
"I think Pletscher and ESGE were/are related somehow. Pletscher is Swiss and I think ESGE is German but they make basically the same products. Maybe there's a license."

Hence "Patent Pletscher" and "ESGE -- Lizenze Pletscher."
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by s on 6/15/2007 at 1:11:13 AM
I have ,also, a bike which has engaved on a frame ESGE and next to it Made in Germany,rear hub Shimano 5353 FB,front hub WECO,Rear brake is a hidraulic disc brake shimano which has only engrave on it :OIL DISC, and it is twice bigger than today ,front brake WEINMAN VAINQUEUR 750
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:? sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by James on 8/4/2008 at 8:32:02 PM
I got an Iverson bile (made in Austria) using the ESGE frames, with the same "ESGE -- Lizenze Pletscher" stamped on. Frame SN 87033, colour red. 3-speed Sturmey Archer Hub dated 72-4.
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AGE / VALUE:   53 Claud Butler New Allrounder headset? posted by: Bob Giess on 5/29/2007 at 1:44:41 PM
I have just discovered that I have only about 26mm of thread ( measured without any crown races/bearings etc ) availalabe to fit a headset and it seems that none currently made are anywhere near that short. Does anybody out there knw what was originally fitted to the Allrounder or can anyone recommend any really short stack headset
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: 53 Claud Butler New Allrounder headset? posted by Warren on 5/29/2007 at 5:26:03 PM
Shimano 105 and STX made a short stack as well as many of the track headsets...campy pista for instance. You may need a Sutherlands manual or a good bike shop who has one. I suspect your headset would be all steel like a TDC?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   53 Claud Butler New Allrounder headset? posted by bob giess on 5/30/2007 at 12:35:27 PM
Thanks for the reply Warren. So Far the shortest stack I can find is 30.2mm and I'm told theres scope for a little skimming and dumping a lock washer if I tighten it every few weeks!
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AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by: Chris on 5/29/2007 at 7:58:37 AM
Back in 1986 I went thru a shop in Canada and I made the mistake of bringing in a pal to help me clean it out. He got this ancient 1959 fiorelli poster with Coppi, Schutte and others. It's in Bianchi Blue. Original from 1959.

He wound not let it go. It took me until 1994 to get it from him. That was the day I rescued from the scrap man Campagnolo parts, G.B. parts, Huret and other vintage parts worth big money. Also rescued paper literature and other posters from the wood stove that sat there ominously in the garage complex.

I negiotated and saved this stuff and was sucessful but he drove me mad and I made it home on the highway dispite a nervous breakdown. I then succeeded to buy him out after 25 years of trying.

Now I have been trying unsucessfully to get proper, full color, two sided color copies made of this poster.
I want to sell these copies. Yes. Velo retro does. I want to be like them.

The poster is detiorating and I need to frame it and leave it alone. To save the poster but to keep from going mad. This was the third attempt and my eyes started to twitch. I ran smack into an assistant manager of a copy shop and after wrangling about copyright infringment issues. Legal paperwork shoved under my nose. We did a google search on Fiorelli and found nothing, Now the relents and asked 25.00 per scan and 25.00 per copy. I put it into the cardboard envelope and left the store.

I was thinking of offering anothyer store full of employees Ouzo or other strong drink and getting them all drunk in order to get these copies made. Picture me getting these drunk employees to wake up and operate their equipment!

So another bike project sits undone. I don't have the patience to go store hopping looking to find somebody who will bend their rules to copy it and with no mention of Fiorelli on the net I don't know what the copyright issues are. If any.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by Chris on 5/29/2007 at 8:18:06 AM
Another project was copied and sits waiting to be scanned and built into the web site I keep dreaming about. T- shirt ideas sit undone as well. It's maddening!
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by Chris on 5/29/2007 at 8:23:21 AM
I might drive to Pensylvania and ring my Italian bike buddy's door and say: "take it!" and break out in crazy laughter. Except he sells everything I give him. Picture white coated orderlies drooling over the collection. Poor bugger went mad collecting vintage cycle posters!
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by Chris on 5/30/2007 at 3:49:55 PM
Done! Copied! Not a problem. 8.00 for everything! two sided color on primo paper.
Did not have to get anybody intoxicated either!
Managers on lunch break. A marvelous thing.

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MISC:   Swiss Condor bicycle posted by: John Blanchard on 5/28/2007 at 11:25:44 PM
Just bought an old road bike. it's a Condor, Swiss made from the '60's. Does anyone have any info. on this brand. Any Swiss Condor owners out there?
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   RE:MISC: Swiss Condor bicycle posted by James on 6/3/2007 at 9:42:32 AM
Condor is the swiss company that built the swiss army bikes as well as civilian bikes and motorcycles.
http://www.benvanhelden.nl/Condorclub/Fiets/fietsen.html
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   RE:MISC: Swiss Condor bicycle posted by willieL. on 5/29/2007 at 7:43:22 PM
This info at classicrendezvous.com on a bike called Condor, but this is an English bike. Don't know if its the same as yours or not.
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