AGE / VALUE:   identifying "old racing bicycle" posted by: harvey sutlive on 6/26/2007 at 6:35:24 PM
hi,
i was referred to the Old Roads site by someone at the Cabe forum.
we bought a second hand ten-speed bike back in the late seventies from a guy in athens ga who told us that the bike was an old racing bike.
at the time it had sewn tires on it. the frame is lightweight compared to an average touring bike, and it's lines are somewhat more refined or drawn out (especially the back part of the frame where the rear wheel bolts on) than a conventional touring bike, for what that's worth.

recently a guy at a bike shop damaged the crank on this bike. he told us it couldn't be repaired, and the shop owner gave us another seventies-era touring bike for compensation.
i've recently taken the bike apart to repaint the frame and replace the crank. a crank assembly from a japanese bike goes into the housing with no problem.
while i've been sanding and cleaning i've also been wondering what the make the bike might be.

the old crank is marked "dural force carantil legedur."
the handlebars are marked "mod campione del mondo"
serial number 53571 stamped on the crank housing and the same number is stamped on the front forks.
does this sound familiar to anybody?
i can post a picture of the frame - the bike is disassembled just now for painting - if that would be helpful. regards,
harvey

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   identifying posted by nate on 6/27/2007 at 5:52:16 AM
Sounds like an interesting old cycle.
Pictures would really help, including closeups of the lugs and dropouts, too
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    identifying posted by John E on 6/27/2007 at 6:48:13 AM
Yes, please post pictures and/or rummage around on ClassicRendezvous.com to find something similar. Your English/ISO bottom bracket threading GENERALLY rules out Italian, French, or Swiss origin, although the crank sounds like a cotterless aluminum [dural] French or Italian unit. The U.K., Austria, Sweden, and several other countries produced bicycles with English/ISO threading.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   identifying posted by harvey sutlive on 6/29/2007 at 11:21:25 AM
update on this bike - a forum member emailed to ask for a picture of the crank. he was able to identify it as TA Specialities.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: identifying posted by Warren on 6/30/2007 at 8:56:22 AM
Specialties TA 3 arm Professional crank to be axact. Shame it got damaged, really. Points to the frame being worth the price of restoration.

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   TA Professional crankset posted by John E on 7/2/2007 at 1:35:03 PM
Save those 3-bolt TA Professional chainrings, since their bolt circle diameter is the same as that on conventional cottered steel cranks.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   identifying posted by harvey sutlive on 7/3/2007 at 8:58:10 AM
thanks all for the information, and particular thanks to john e. for the tip about clasicrendezvous.
i looked through their british-made bikes and found mercians.
my bike looks like a king of mercia model in every respect, and it's serial number fits their serial number format - pretty sure of a positive id.
regards, harvey
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WANTED:   Nishiki International information posted by: Bruce on 6/25/2007 at 4:34:46 PM
I got a response from John E. in the past on a different Nishiki I had, thank you for that information. I recently acquired an orange Nishiki International with the serial # KS259094 I am curious as to what year it was made. Any info concerning it would be appreciated. I plan on turning it into a single speed. thanks in advance....Bruce
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    Nishiki International information posted by John E on 6/27/2007 at 6:55:42 AM
Kawamura (American Eagle, later Nishiki) first introduced the International in late 1971 or early 1972 (Christmas season 1971????), under the Japanese equivalent, "Kokusai." By 1974 it was rebranded "International." With its straight-gauge CrMo frame, aluminum rims, and low-end aluminum crankset, it fit nicely between the all-steel Olympic and the Semi-Pro / Competition. I believe Nishiki retained the "International" model designation for several years, gradually upgrading it (and the Olympic). My only Kawamura serial number calibration point is my American Eagle Semi-Pro, KS78091, which I purchased new in March 1971, making it presumably a 1971 model built in late 1970.

Pictures or a list of components, including any date codes or other notations on the cranks and derailleurs, may help us pin down the vintage of yours, which I am wild-guessing as circa 1974.
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   RE: Nishiki International information posted by Bruce on 6/28/2007 at 5:58:01 PM
I emailed the gentleman that sold me the frame, he likely still has the components and may find a clue there. I know how to attach pictures to an email, but not familiar with adding one here.
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   RE:WANTED:   Nishiki International information posted by Mel on 7/16/2007 at 8:48:48 PM
I also have an orange Nishiki International which I bought new February, 1974 for about $180 in '74 dollars. Great bike and in perfect shape. I ride it every weekend. Curious of its value today.
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AGE / VALUE:   Hoffman Special ? posted by: Drew on 6/25/2007 at 4:17:23 AM
Anyone know anything, found at local flea market, 1940s or 50s. Decal says "Hoffman Special - London - No. 247"
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MISC:Carlton "X" Bike - Wheel Size Update posted by: Colin on 6/23/2007 at 11:14:26 AM
Hello,
A few weeks ago, as you may recall I posted about my chrome Carlton and some Super Champion Competition Gentleman wheels. I wasn't sure what size the wheels were but they looked a little small. They looked like 700C on a frame made for 27". Well it turns out that they are 27" and the frame just has a lot of clearance.
I got some new Sun M13 II 27" (630x18) rims and they are the same size as the Super Champions. See the pictures.
http://home.comcast.net/'colinmil/carlton.html (replace the single quote with a tilda)
The bike probably had some long center-pull brakes on it but wow, that seems like a long reach. It would be nice to use the original fork but my nice side-pull brakes wouldn't reach even with an offset bolt I don't think. I will just swap in a new 700c fork and be done with it I think.
Thanks to those that responded before and I hope this information will be interesting to you.
The bike should be done in another week or two and I will post some pictures.
Colin


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   RE:MISC:Carlton posted by NoWay on 6/27/2007 at 8:10:23 AM
You should be able to get some Weinmann 750 Vainqueur 999 calipers or Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls for pretty cheap if you look around or scavenge.
Measure the brake-mount to rim distance to get a better idea of the brake reach you'll need.
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AGE / VALUE:   sierra tour posted by: brian on 6/22/2007 at 6:26:58 PM
ive got a sierra tour that i might be interested in selling.....it has cheap platic fenders....wienmann detatchable cantilever brakes and leavers huret derailures brooks seat and a rear rack w/ panners whats a good price?
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sierra tour posted by brian on 7/25/2007 at 4:26:18 PM
its gone the first guy that saw it just grabbed it sooooooo fast....really nice bike im gonna miss it
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