AGE / VALUE:   Liotto Super posted by: Luis Guevara on 4/13/2008 at 1:09:00 AM
I had posted that I was in the process of buying a Cinelli that had been ridden in the TDF 98/99. Apparently, according to the seller Cinelli is stamped on the bottom bracket, the pics i have have Liotto Super stickers all over the frame. Its a beautiful bike for sure. Not sure of the value, and for the life of me cannot find a single site with info for me. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,
Luis Guevara
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Liotto Super posted by Warren on 4/13/2008 at 6:27:14 PM
Be very careful. Without verifiable, documented evidence that this is a tour bike, forget about it. Cinelli provided bottom brackets to possibly half of the classic steel bike manufacturers from the '60's on. That doesn't mean it's even been near a cafe au lait.

Now there was a Team Lotto in the tour...they became Caloi I believe.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:� � � Liotto Super posted by luis g on 4/13/2008 at 11:16:19 PM
Thank you very much. It is truly appreciated, and i will keep all posted as to the outcome for what appears to be a killer bike.

Luis
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Liotto Super posted by David on 4/15/2008 at 1:49:31 PM
The "55" stamped in the bottom bracket is very likely the frame size, which is often seen on Italian bikes. I'd be very skeptical about the TdF provenance and only buy it if it were a good deal for me APART FROM the claimed TdF connection. Good luck.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Liotto Super posted by ZANDOVAL on 5/1/2008 at 7:42:23 PM
Wow- Its great to hear the name Liotto again - When I was stationed in Vicenza Italy there was a bike shop that made custom road bikes for local clubs - Giovani Liotto Jr made me a road bike and his father Sr had to fit it for me due to me being a lanky six foot (in Italy thats tall) GI that had never ridden a road bike - Most of the craftsmen working in the shop worked part time at the shop and full time at the Campanolo factory down the street - My bike was brazed Columbus tubing and Tuto (All) Campanollo - The bike fit like a glove and carried my six foot 180# frame from Assiago to Rome - Never having the discipline to race in Italy I enjoyed the company of riding with the old guys way behind the pack - Besides - The wine and pace was better - I have never had a better bike and miss it dearly - I was 22 years old - It was 1974 - And I bought it for $154.00 and 3 cartons of cigarettes...
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MISC:tubing stamp posted by: george on 4/11/2008 at 5:11:38 PM
I have a 1960's Frejus of which i'am repainting.The tubing is stamped columbus in a oval with bird above,under the oval it's stamped 071,any know what these # mean thanks George
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AGE / VALUE:   Cinelli Serial #55 posted by: Luis on 4/11/2008 at 11:52:45 AM
I have the chance to purchase a Cinelli that apparently was ridden in the TDF in either 98/99. All i have thus far is the serial number of 55. I am waiting on pics today. Any advice, help would be awesome! Thank you.
Luis
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MISC:Simplex Italy posted by: wade eva on 4/10/2008 at 4:19:56 PM
I have what we think is a 1953 Legnano Roma Olimpiade. It came with the original Simplex Bar Lever front deraillure. The aluminum cap on the deraillure reads, "SIMPLEX made in Italy." I have searche high and low at all the vintage lightweight sites (veloretro, sheldon brown etc.) with no luck. Can anybody shed some light?
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   RE:MISC:Simplex Italy posted by Chris on 4/11/2008 at 9:58:49 AM
I own one of the shifters. Pulled from the ruins of an old Shop in Detroit. I have it mounted on my W.W.2 BSA airborne paratrooper folding bike and I use it to shift my Huret Alvit!

I was excited to find it! Excited to get it in use and I love it's looks and love to use it. My friend sniffed Simplex bah! but I ignored him and was out in the lot grinning after I set it up!

these shifters are rare and your post is the first time I have heard one mentioned.

Campagnolo made parts in France too, weird, wonderful and unexpected because we all associate Italy with Campagnolo!
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AGE / VALUE:Raleigh International posted by: Mike on 4/10/2008 at 10:30:48 AM
I haven't seen one this clean since I got intrested in them.

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