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Archived: Musclebikes (Sting-Rays, Krates, Choppers, etc.)







FOR SALE:   SCREAMER NOS SEAT&SHIFTER posted by: chris on 3/25/2001 at 4:11:02 PM
seat is 25$ white shifter is 30$ see in same on ebay 1127118454 ( shifter is white)...


   RE:FOR SALE:   SCREAMER NOS SEAT&SHIFTER posted by chris on 3/25/2001 at 4:49:46 PM
corection the seat is for a sears spyder...nos + s&h

   RE:FOR SALE:   SCREAMER NOS SEAT&SHIFTER posted by chris.d on 3/28/2001 at 6:13:49 PM
the seat is made by persons and is a banana






FOR SALE:   1969 Schwin apple crate posted by: Bev Carter on 3/25/2001 at 2:26:28 PM
The bike is excellent condition, riddin only a few times. I bought it from memory about 5 years ago, if u are interested i can email you some pictures


   RE:FOR SALE:   1969 Schwin apple crate posted by John Smith on 4/29/2001 at 4:06:09 AM
Please send pic's,price and other information.Thanks!






WANTED:   Columbia 88 fork posted by: Randy on 3/25/2001 at 1:55:30 PM
Looking for a Columbia Playboy/Playbike 88 fork assembly. Has to be in nice condition. Thanks!







WANTED:   Schwinn krates or sting ray posted by: Ryan on 3/24/2001 at 6:53:40 PM
does any one have or know were I could find a Schwinn krate or sting ray. I would really appreciate it


   RE:WANTED:   Schwinn krates or sting ray posted by mike on 3/25/2001 at 10:26:50 AM
Try Ebay, or this site under Bicycles and parts for sale

   RE:WANTED:   Schwinn krates or sting ray posted by christian on 3/25/2001 at 4:50:31 PM
or go to :www.angelfire.com/dbz/forum
and ask there.






AGE / VALUE:   Help posted by: Heather on 3/23/2001 at 11:54:44 AM
OK, thanks for the info, so then what do you think is going on with this bike? Just a lot of part swapping? I also noticed that they did not make the bike in sky blue in 74 and this bike is indeed that color. Is there anyway that I can figure this stuff out? I mean if the serial number is for a 74 but the color is not made that year and all the decals and everything, it doesn't look like it has been painted over, but it has the stick shift on the frame and in 74 it was on the handlebars, i mean is this just a bike built from scratch with all different parts?

i want to sell the bike but how will I know what it is worth?

Thanks Heather


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help posted by chris.s on 3/24/2001 at 1:38:42 AM
First what kind of bike..stingray..in 73 they stopped the stick shift..but it may be a left over 73 and bought in 74..sa for the color ..it may have been painted by a pro..

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help posted by Ryan on 3/24/2001 at 7:08:09 PM
Do you have pictures of it & I mite be able to tell you the make of it and what it look worth & my buy it? write back






AGE / VALUE:   Canadian Metal posted by: DJ 99percent on 3/22/2001 at 1:36:02 PM
Hello all you Schwinn Metalheads! It's nice to see some informed opinions
on lowriders/musclebikes. I hail from 1 hr. North of Detroit in Canada and
I have some vintage stuff, that I've been collecting for about 8 years.
maybe you guys (& girls) can help me evaluate some of my finds. Here's a short
list of just the completes:
1966(68?) CCM Mustang - Ford Grabber Green (orig.)20", Rams horns, Duo-matic
Hub, Dble. Red line slick,Hi-rise sissy
1968 Bridgestone - Gold Metalflake (orig. mint), orig. Ram horns,3speed shimano
stick
Also: Lots of 3 speed parts, complete 20"ers from Quebec original in package
headrests in blue/metal, gold/metal and green metalflake.
I see the Krates fetch a pretty penny, how 'bout some Canuck Crates 10 times
as rare!
Thanks for your input.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Canadian Metal posted by Mike on 3/24/2001 at 3:49:07 AM
DJ, nice collection, hold on to that great Duomatic hub
thery're aren't made anymore. Does the mustang have
odd ball wheels, 20 X 1 3/8(430 mm rim) on the front and 18 X 2(400 mm rim) on the
back? The Mustang had great styling. The Montreal build bikes
are very interesting. I can't quite remember the name, "Something? Precision"?
Frame construction ahead of their time, MIG welded 1 inch main tubes, very smooth
welds. I'm from Ottawa. Mike






MISC:   Updated Ann Arbor show site posted by: steve on 3/22/2001 at 1:34:03 PM
We've recently updated out web page for the Ann Arbor/Saline Classic Bike Show.

We've posted additional general info, vendor info, and cleaned up the navigation. It will load quicker too.

Check it out at: ann-arbor-bicycleshow.com







MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by: Craig on 3/21/2001 at 6:53:19 PM
I was wondering if anybody out there has had problems with eBay sellers not leaving any feedback to their buyers when they receive payment. I've had to e-mail, sometimes repeatedly, to ask if they could leave feedback. This has started to get very anoying. Maybe someone has an answer to this problem. Thanks


   RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by eBayer with the answer on 3/21/2001 at 10:54:17 PM
Simply withhold your feedback until the seller leaves it. I understand why sellers wait until you are happy with the item, but they should post after the deal is completed.

   RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by gary on 3/26/2001 at 8:47:26 PM
tell you what, you do all the ad typing, photo work, answer up to 100 emails on each item you sell, handle the mail, list and verify payment, box, and ship over 200 items, and then you tell me your up and bunny ready to search each ad, and type in feedback. I gave everyone the same exact feedback, just pasted it and moved on, some never even paid and got good feedback. seems like a redundant waste of time to me. and then to basically demand it!! sorry, happen not gonna.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Craig on 3/27/2001 at 9:52:36 PM
WOW, what a jerk. Your the only one who answered my question in such an egotistical manner. Feedback is an important part of the auction process. It lets the seller know if the buyer is competent and follows thru with payment. It also lets buyers know if sellers are honest and follow thru with shipments and if products are as descibed. Remember, it's the buyers that are taking the chance and sending payment out in the hopes of getting what they paid for. I just hope that I can avoid your auctions.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by guido on 3/28/2001 at 12:21:53 PM
seems like a good call Craig. Gary doesn`t seem to grasp the whole Ebay and feedback concepts and sounds like he`s auctioning off more stuff than he has time to deal with.hey Gary try creating folders in your favorites list that say auctions, auctions bidding, auctions selling, auctions sold and waiting, auctions won and waiting. Then when you post an item, right click on the auction page and add to favorites. From there you can drag and drop the shortcut into any folder that it applies to. Basically it means that all your auctions sold and waiting ARE IN ONE PLACE and quick and easy to find and leave acurate feedback for. VIOLA! It takes only a few minutes to set up the favorites list in this way and saves a gang of searching time too.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Here~s YOUR feedback on 3/29/2001 at 4:18:40 PM
If you can't take the time to be a considerate eBayer, then cut back on the volume of stuff you sell. The BEST seller of Sting-Ray stuff on eBay, with a huge volume of items daily, is Snydebike. And he seems to find the time to post feedback for each and every buyer in a thoughtful and timely manner. Poor Gary on the other hand, is SO busy. Not too busy to get to the bank with all those money orders I bet. I'd rethink your customer service.

   RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Gary on 3/31/2001 at 12:36:01 PM
My Partner is busy buying every single day on ebay, where i usually just sold. This man pays with paypal sometimes within minutes of auction closings. Yet with him purchasing 3-5 items a day, his feedback is only 18. Some of the sellers take up to 3 weeks to deliver and with a few exceptions, are usually overstated. Yes i tried to make a living off ebay, and i wont bother again. Instead of filing damage claims people file negative feedback. probably %10 of my bids never responded to my email, costing me more money and time. Why Bother? i do better in other venues.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Sheila on 3/31/2001 at 7:30:06 PM
Cry me a river! 1st you say you couldn't be bothered as a seller to post feedback for your buyers; now you say your poor partner buys all day long and no one leaves him his feedback! He must be buying from you.

   RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Gary on 3/31/2001 at 8:57:59 PM
Well if feedback is such a vital tool to auctions, why doesnt MSN and others use it? been to a ton of personal auctions and Lo and Behold, NONE of them rated the buyers either. If Ebay didnt have feedback and posted bidders names they prices would go up, and they would have more server bandwidth to improve their ailing system. Should be a nameless auction anyway, with only actual bids listed, if you bid $200 on a $100 item it should be in your cart at $200. The best thing they have done is that Buy It Now Feature, as so many people with low feedback (rookies) list their $300 thing for $50 and they get picked like cherries.
as for me crying who was it that was whining about this useless feedback anyway? I could care less.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Craig on 4/1/2001 at 3:53:15 AM
WOW, your still a jerk, but I'll give you credit for having a couple of good ideas. Nameless auctions that only the seller can view is one and leaving eBay is the other. As far as making a living off eBay, that I can understand, it would be hard to hold down a real job with a attitude like yours. Your just a bad seed, one that ruins the fun of collecting for everyone by profiting off the stuff you find. I've seen some of your listings and seems to be mostly bottom feeder material. So no big loss if you leave totaly. We all can only hope.

   RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Gary on 4/1/2001 at 10:13:53 AM
So what solid gold items do you sell for pennies on the dollar? And since i own a Bike Shop, i sure dont put all my best stuff out at risk of sale for pennies, which does indeed occur on auctions. Do you have a mint Bianchi factory
racing model hanging over your desk? I do. how many 65 junior stingrays you got? Ever seen a BSA Rocket 3? i have 2 of them. I own a 1952 Cadillac Golden Anniversary Convertible, with full options, leather and gold trim. Looks good with the rest of my cars. i bet you have a 3 yr old SUV. Ruins the fun of collecting eh? I dont think i have gouged anyone. I get antique bikes almost daily and i will not sell them for less then i can replace them for. you tell me what that chaingaurd or those early bow pedals
would go for online, and then you sell me a set for 10 percent of that, Mr high and mighty. i bet you dont.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Sheila on 4/1/2001 at 11:28:15 AM
Since feedback is useless, please post your eBay screen name here so we can all avoid dealing with you in the future. The worst a buyer can do to you is not pay; but then you still have the item. A seller can be a huge pain in the butt; taking weeks to pack and ship, lousy packing causing damage to item, not sending item, misrep'ing the item, overcharging the shipping costs, etc, etc. That is why feedback is important.

Auction houses protect the bidders by vouching for both the seller and the seller's merchandise. Doesn't matter who buys the item as long as they have the money.

eBay feedback is a courtesy, something Gary here seems to have none of. I agree with the others; you must do huge business at your store with your great "customer first" attitude.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Carl on 4/1/2001 at 11:38:03 AM
Making the bidders on a current eBay auction private, viewable only by the seller, would allow for rampant shill bidding by sellers and their friends. Having all the bidders identities quickly viewable to the public allows bidders to police the seller somewhat.

And about feedback. Auction houses police themselves. If a seller's item turns out to be misrepresented, that seller won't be using that auction house again. Same for a bidder who doesn't come up with the moola. eBay's feedback system adresses that issue.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Craig on 4/1/2001 at 6:00:52 PM
Well, once again, all I can say is WOW. How old are you? resorting to "My daddy is bigger than your daddy". As far as selling for pennies, eBay has an option called reserve, if it doesn't meet what you want to get out of it, it doesn't sell and you don't loose your investment. And what the heck is a Bianchi or a BSA Rocket whatever and who cares about some old pimps Cadillac. It's always a joke when I hear someone say that they wouldn't sell something for less than what it would cost to replace it. Why would you sell it if your going to replace it. I'll tell you something, I've been a collector of Stingray bikes for over 16 years and I do have bikes more rare than a 65 junior. I am a collector and don't really ever sell anything, so that mint set of NOS bow pedals that I do have, I wouldn't sell them to you, cause you'd turn around and try to sell them for a profit. Oh yea, that 3 year old SUV, your close, it's a 4 year old Dodge Ram, but my wife has a 2 year old Mini-van and your momma wears army boots.

   RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Gary on 4/3/2001 at 4:52:31 PM
well since you have sunk to defaming my mother, its time to end this discussion. Since you obviously dont know what a Bianchi is, your knowledge of bikes is rather narrow. Dont even consider trying to make yourself out the better man, because i want market prices for my things. That is what made this country what it is. This Site was paid for by selling bike parts for a profit. So get off your high horse or come over and I will knock you off. Slither back into your dream world and shut up. As for my items being bottom feeder materials, i get a lot of replies from the other Bottom Feeders that come in here. The End.

   RE:RE:MISC:   eBay Feedback posted by Craig on 4/4/2001 at 9:22:42 PM
Hey man, I can't resist. You obviously didn't see the humor in the joke about the army boots. I thought you had a sense of humor since you said you had an old Cadillac. I wasn't trying to be the better man either, especialy with someone whose a legend in his own mind. "Rather Narrow", yea that's right, I did say that I've been collecting Stingrays for over 16 years. It's better to be good at one thing than a Jack of all trades and a Master of none,(bikes, motorcycles, old cars). As far as your so called replies, I did some checking and on both of these sites, General For Sale and MuscleBikes, I counted 2 of your posts with no replies each in the last month and a half, hmmm. Well I thinks it's time to saddle up and ride off to that dream world. What was your address.






AGE / VALUE:   2 speed kickback hub with blue lines what did these come on ? posted by: brett on 3/21/2001 at 2:05:41 AM
2 speed kickback hub with blue lines what did these come on ?
thanks for all your help


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 speed kickback hub with blue lines what did these come on ? posted by cj on 3/21/2001 at 4:58:03 AM
I could be wrong here and I know I've seen this information in the archives on this site, but..

On a Bendix 2-speed the color of the bands on the hub indicate the gear ratio. I think the yellow bands were geared lower and so are appropriate for 26" wheels, while the blue bands are geared highter and would be for 20" wheels.

(do I have that backwards?)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 speed kickback hub with blue lines what did these come on ? posted by .02 on 3/21/2001 at 5:17:39 AM
You're right CJ. Blue band hub gearing was an overdrive (to go faster). Red and yellow band gearing was an underdrive (to help people like me get those big-ol' bikes up hills)!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 speed kickback hub with blue lines what did these come on ? posted by DJ 99percent on 3/22/2001 at 2:05:17 PM
I once got a Duo-matic on a Ross Chooper. Don't know if it was orig. equip. though.






AGE / VALUE:   was the sting-ray jr. frame the same as the crate bikes? posted by: brett on 3/21/2001 at 2:03:08 AM
was the sting-ray jr. frame the same as the crate bikes? such as the lemon peeler and pea picker?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   was the sting-ray jr. frame the same as the crate bikes? posted by cj on 3/21/2001 at 4:59:21 AM
I think there is a discussion about sting-ray junior frames further down this page which will give you more information. But in a nutshell, NO the frames are not the same.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   was the sting-ray jr. frame the same as the crate bikes? posted by Cal on 3/21/2001 at 5:48:29 AM
It's Krate with a K, not Crate, FYI

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   was the sting-ray jr. frame the same as the crate bikes? posted by chris.s on 3/21/2001 at 11:13:02 AM
NO ...stingray JR are different their 1'' shorter and will not fit a Krate sprocket..kickstand are shorter too...






MISC:   bicycle websites posted by: christian on 3/20/2001 at 7:39:01 PM
hello everyone. along with this excellent web site, there are many other places to get the answers you need. one of which is The Bicycle Billboard: www.angelfire.com/dbz/forum
so if you would like to get the word out as much as you can, come on over and post your questions and pictures at our site too. and a "big thank you" goes out to this site, oldroads.com, which has been here for collectors as long as i've been in this hobby.







AGE / VALUE:   I have a classic Sting-Ray and I need info posted by: Heather on 3/20/2001 at 11:35:37 AM
Hi, I am hoping someone can help me. I have a 1974(?) Sting-Ray Ram's Horn Fast Back with all the original parts (except a chain guard) serial number LK542473 and I am trying to find out if it is worth anything. It is a 5 speed in great condition. If anyone can tell me if these are worth anything or direct me where I could find out it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Heather


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I have a classic Sting-Ray and I need info posted by Matt on 3/20/2001 at 2:59:14 PM
Heather, I hate to be the bearer of what may be bad news, but your bike is indeed a 74 and they did not make a Ramshorn in 1974. Someone may have put Ramshorn bars on it, but it's just a standard Fastback. It may be worth more in parts than as a complete bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   I have a classic Sting-Ray and I need info posted by CHRIS O. on 3/20/2001 at 9:20:47 PM
THE SER.# YOU GAVE IS FOR A 74. RAM HORN ARE 66 - 68 AND FASTBACKS ARE 66-73. SOMEONE COULD HAVE REPLACED THE FRAME WITH THE 74. THEY ALSO DID NOT PUT THE SHIFTER ON THE TOP BAR IN 74 THAT WAS WHEN THEY HAD TO MOVE THEM TO THE HANDLEBARS.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   I have a classic Sting-Ray and I need info posted by Heather on 3/22/2001 at 6:09:42 AM
OK, thanks for the info, so then what do you think is going on with this bike? Just a lot of part swapping? I also noticed that they did not make the bike in sky blue in 74 and this bike is indeed that color. Is there anyway that I can figure this stuff out?
Thanks Heather






AGE / VALUE:   I have a classic Sting-Ray and I need info posted by: Heather on 3/20/2001 at 11:35:37 AM
Hi, I am hoping someone can help me. I have a 1971(?) Sting-Ray Ram's Horn Fast Back with all the original parts (except a chain guard) serial number LK542473 and I am trying to find out if it is worth anything. It is a 5 speed in great condition. If anyone can tell me if these are worth anything or direct me where I could find out it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Heather







AGE / VALUE:   HELP!! HOW CAN I TELL WHAT YEAR MY RAY JR. IS ?STINGRAY JR. posted by: BRETT on 3/20/2001 at 9:30:31 AM
DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW HOW I CAN TELL WHAT YEAR MY RAY JR. IS ? THE SERIAL # ON THE HEAD TUBE IS J570521 FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP


   UPDATE THE SERIAL # IA FJ570521 OOPS SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION posted by BRETT on 3/20/2001 at 11:16:49 AM
FJ570521

   RE:UPDATE THE SERIAL # IA FJ570521 OOPS SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION posted by mike on 3/20/2001 at 4:19:34 PM
Brett, Are you sure that is an I and not a L? L= Nov an I = nothing (schwinn did not use I as a month initial) and an A means 1965. I hope this helps

   RE:RE:UPDATE THE SERIAL # IA FJ570521 OOPS SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION posted by mike on 3/20/2001 at 4:21:14 PM
Brett FJ is June 1973...MM






AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by: MMichael on 3/19/2001 at 10:14:44 AM
I came across a man with some old bikes I was woundering if they were any good as far as the name goes

KENT (just frame)
MURRAY (just frame)
WHITE (whole bike)
WESTERN FLYER (whole bike)


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by MMichael on 3/19/2001 at 10:20:56 AM
I forgot to put these in

SCHWINN(complete bike but a 26'')

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by bob on 3/19/2001 at 4:57:49 PM
they're all good if ya like em.some are gooder than others.most like the schwinns moregood.hope this helps.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by Cal on 3/20/2001 at 5:04:48 AM
If they are all from the same era, say 1960s, I'd rate them like this, from best to worst. (Although now that I think of it, Kent wasn't even around in 1960, were they?)

SCHWINN
WESTERN FLYER
MURRAY
KENT

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by bob on 3/20/2001 at 9:54:56 AM
Yep.kent was around in 1960's and murray built westernflyers bikes.so they'd be side by side.other than that i'd agree with your summary

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by bob on 3/20/2001 at 9:58:03 AM
cal an' i both excluded white.don't know nuthin' 'bout 'em. how 'bout you cal?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by Cal on 3/21/2001 at 5:47:33 AM
I skipped White because I never heard of them. I'm sure it is a local re-badged brand.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   FRAME FRAME posted by RAY on 4/9/2001 at 8:41:17 PM
YOUR KENT FRAME IS AN ORANGE FRAME,,,,SQUARE LIKE THE CHOPPERS,,,,,AND WITH 2 PIECES HANDLEBAR ????? DO YOU LIKE TO SELL IT ???? THANKS