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Archived: Musclebikes (Sting-Rays, Krates, Choppers, etc.)







WANTED:Krate rear brake caliper posted by: Andy on 1/9/2002 at 3:38:03 AM
Hi, y'all. So I've parked my '61 Mercury Comet for the winter and I now have time to wrench on old bikes inside the warm house. Therefore, my '72 Apple Krate is front and center. I need a rear brake caliper or a disc brake assembly/hub. Anyone have these parts available? Any help appreciated. --Andy in Indy, '72 Apple Krate







WANTED:68 rear shocks and bar orange krate stingray posted by: JT on 1/4/2002 at 9:39:31 PM
ANYBODY HAVE 68 ORANGE KRATE STINGRAY SHOCKS (REAR) AND BAR.







MISC:MuscleBike & BigDaddy collection pix posted by: JimW. on 1/4/2002 at 1:47:34 PM
I was surfing around last night, and found a really interesting site. Brian Morris is a member of a punk band in Arizona- 3OnTheTree. Aside from the band pix and info, he also has pages to do with his large MuscleBike collection
and his huge BigDaddy Roth RatFink collection. He has some really nice bikes, including Iversons. As he didn't mention George Barris in connection with the Iversons, I dropped him a note complimenting him on his site, and clueing him in to the Barris connection, which I knew he'd find interesting. I also mentioned the strangeness of there never having been a RatFink musclebike.

He wrote back with the information that there was a Wham-0
RatFink licensed WheelieBar, which he's been trying to acquire for his collection. Check out his site at http://www.3onthetree.com/ratfink/rfindex.html
and if you have a lead on the WheelieBar, he'll be extremely glad to hear from you.


   RE:MISC:MuscleBike & BigDaddy collection pix posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/16/2002 at 12:28:49 AM
Check with comic book, toy and big little book collectors.I remember seeing one of these in a glass showcase somewhere, sometime.






MISC:MuscleBike & BigDaddy collection pix posted by: JimW. on 1/4/2002 at 1:47:34 PM
I was surfing around last night, and found a really interesting site. Brian Morris is a member of a punk band in Arizona- 3OnTheTree. Aside from the band pix and info, he also has pages to do with his large MuscleBike collection
and his huge BigDaddy Roth RatFink collection. He has some really nice bikes, including Iversons. As he didn't mention George Barris in connection with the Iversons, I dropped him a note complimenting him on his site, and clueing him in to the Barris connection, which I knew he'd find interesting. I also mentioned the strangeness of there never having been a RatFink musclebike.

He wrote back with the information that there was a Wham-0
RatFink licensed WheelieBar, which he's been trying to acquire for his collection. Check out his site at http://www.3onthetree.com/ratfink/rfindex.html
and if you have a lead on the WheelieBar, he'll be extremely glad to hear from you.







MISC:Front Krate brakes posted by: mike on 1/2/2002 at 9:49:50 PM
I put front springer forks on my 71 5 speed fastback and I dont know how the heck the front brakes will work on that small tire? Help?


   RE:MISC:Front Krate brakes posted by Cal on 1/3/2002 at 2:32:54 PM
What exactly is the problem? Do the calipers no longer reach the wheel because the fork is longer?
Need more information on the problem.

   RE:MISC:Front Krate brakes posted by Stacey on 1/3/2002 at 2:33:17 PM
The operative word here is "Drum Brake".

   RE:RE:MISC:Front Krate brakes posted by Joel on 1/3/2002 at 9:04:43 PM
There's no place to mount a fastback caliper brake on a springer fork.






AGE / VALUE:month and year posted by: jt on 1/2/2002 at 6:33:29 PM
Have a schwinn orange krate stingray want to know month and year bike was made.serial# ED30619. bike is in great shape got it when i was 11 years old. im 40. from one to ten its a 8. anybody know the price of this bike today. thank-you JT.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:month and year posted by Joel on 1/2/2002 at 9:41:54 PM
May 68, first year of the Krate.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:month and year posted by Mark W. on 1/12/2002 at 10:17:21 PM
Anyone know what the first Month of Krate's production is. A friend of mine in Indiana claims to have a Dec. 1967 Apple Krate, Serial # MCxxxxx and that it was a promotion bike & has a label on the top tube that reads "Not for sale - property of Schwinn Bicycle Co.- District Marketing" followed by five groups of letters and number's. Info helpfull?






MISC:PRESERVATION posted by: ERIC on 12/31/2001 at 3:32:04 AM
WHAT IS THE BEST THING I CAN DO TO PROTECT OLD TIRES AND CABLE CASING FROM DRY ROTTING. I'VE GOT SOME BIKES WITH GREAT TIRES AND I WANT TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY.....THANKS, ERIC


   RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by Stacey on 12/31/2001 at 3:15:12 PM
Keep it out of the sun and away from electric motors (ozone).

You're welcome
Stacey

   RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by Catfood Rob on 1/2/2002 at 8:12:30 PM
I use "armor all" available from car accesory shops. its super stuff, and a little goes a long way.

   RE:RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by Stacey on 1/2/2002 at 9:56:45 PM
Armor All is fine for "Trailer Queens". However, if you plan on riding the bike at all I STRONGLY suggest that you NOT put Armor All on your tires. It does make them very slipery... just like your car seat. I watch a guy on a Honda Gold Wing do about $2000.00 of fairing damage not to mention the sand and gravel he picked out of his skin, when he finished off the detailing of his baby with a liberal application of Armor All to the tires. He mounted up, took off down the road and on the first curve... you guessed it. Gravity & Inertia were stronger than adhesion. Oh well, lesson learned.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 12:32:34 AM
Ouch! shudder, shudder. Now if I knew he was gonna do this I would never have lent him the bike! (kidding) "Westley's bleach wite" for cleaning old school balloon tires. gumwall tires should be left alone. Armor- All is passe anyways. Is there a picture of a bicycle wheel on the label? No? Then it's for cars and today there are better choices than Armor All. I don't want to get that on my hands, slipping in the seat isn't fun either. I don't want it sucked up into my air conditioning system and breathe it in. Yeach! Ugh! Keep the wax for the frame paint. A Problem with trailer parks is that everybody watches everybody else's business and then they can't keep quiet for two seconds. Oh the gossip that travels like lightning! Other problems, too I won't get into. Armor- All is but the tip of the "Trailer Park iceberg"

   RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by Catfood Rob on 1/5/2002 at 3:04:42 PM
Well, that`ll teach me not to mention Armor all again....
Whats a trailer park?

   RE:RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by Stacey on 1/5/2002 at 5:43:05 PM
For the benefit of our friend across the pond and anyone else not familiar with this icon of lower class housing, a trailer park is a large piece of property subdivided into lots that are about 30' wide and about 75' long with a narrow access road running down the short sides of the rectangle. Trailers or Mobile Homes as is the P.C. term for them are docked in each lot. There are sewer, water, electric and phone hook-ups provided. These lots (available with or without trailers, bring your own) are rented on a monthly basis. The common perjorative for the residents are "trailer trash" which is derived from their generaly lower standard of living and civic pride. Think of it as a White ghetto.

I'm quite proud to say that I am former "trailer trash", a segment of my life that I'll fondly remember... there was always free beer to be had, you just had to know where & when to mooch!

In the wind,
Stacey

   RE:RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/5/2002 at 7:09:53 PM
You don't want to know! Trust me!

   preservation posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/5/2002 at 7:33:25 PM
Please describe the trailer situation from "across the pond" for me.
Describe how it is done, the problems you hear of. A European trailer park I would like to hear about.
ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com Many people look in trailer parks for discarded bikes and there are finds, but be warned you will have to sift thru a lot of Huffy's!

   RE:preservation posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/5/2002 at 10:00:04 PM
European Trailer trash, OOHH! I'll look for bikes while I'm there.

   RE:RE:preservation posted by JOEL on 1/8/2002 at 3:18:21 PM
I think the Euro-equivilent would be a squatter.

   RE:MISC:PRESERVATION posted by Catfood Rob on 1/8/2002 at 8:00:05 PM
Dont know if anyomne needs to know this, but in the U.K. Trailer parks are inhabited by nice little old ladies who keep their lots spick n span. No old bikes are located there..... being an OLD country, we still have slum areas for the low lifes.






MISC:Rollfast? posted by: MEANIRISHMOFO on 12/30/2001 at 12:29:02 AM
Anyone have info on rollfast 20" bikes? Serial # guides, models, or links. Thanks in advance


   RE:MISC:Rollfast? posted by keith on 12/30/2001 at 10:20:12 PM
I have a rollfast catalog from 1967,shows all models.Probably didn't change much from year to year.What do you want to know?No info on serial #.Keith.

   RE:RE:MISC:Rollfast? posted by MEANIRISHMOFO on 12/30/2001 at 11:01:47 PM
Nothing important. Just a little history on the company or a link. I'm curious, that's all. Thanks

   RE:MISC:Rollfast? posted by Keith on 12/31/2001 at 1:42:33 PM
Rollfasts were made by D.P.Harris hardware co.NY,NY.I think they were swollowed up by AMF in the late 70'S.The 20 inch bikes came as a full fendered regular bike or as a stingray knockoff.These were called skoots,skats,with coaster brake,3 speed & 5 speed stik shift.Had options like fenders,whitewalls,etc.Boys&girls models.I dont think they made a"chopper" style with 16" front wheel.Hope this helps.Keith.

   RE:RE:MISC:Rollfast? posted by MEANIRISHMOFO on 12/31/2001 at 9:49:40 PM
Thanks:)

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:Rollfast? posted by keith on 1/5/2002 at 11:19:28 PM
Just found a great site with much info on rollfast and other makes. www.firstflightbikes.com Keith.






WANTED:Mid 70's AMF Roadway with shocks posted by: Mike on 12/29/2001 at 11:11:11 PM
In search of bike I had in mid to late 70's. Believe it was made by AMF Roadway. Bike had chrome shocks from seat to frame and shocks in fork. Would appreciate any info on this bike if anyone has or knows the one I'm searching for.







MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by: JimW. on 12/29/2001 at 5:57:38 AM
Thanks to Conrad Rupprecht's input, we have a giant feature on George Barris and the musclebikes he designed for Iverson in the late '60s and early '70s. Unlike those anonymous wage-slave drones at Schwinn, George Barris was, and is, a major cultural icon and brilliant creative person. His bikes made those Krates look like Krap.
See what we mean at:
http://bikerodnkustom.com


   RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/29/2001 at 6:16:29 PM
AWESOME!! I am very proud of you guys! EXCELLENT! You know what?
Now that I can see some pictures of these bikes I can recognize them for what they are and not what I thought in ignorance about them!! I know what the muscle bike guys are talking about now. Something else too, I HAVE A LEAD ON A ORANGE 1969 DRAGSTER WITH THAT EXACT SAME ORANGE AND BLACK CISSY BAR WITH THE TWO PADS! GOOD GOD! THAT'S THAT BIKE I PASSED OVER! IT'S IN A PALS ATTIC OVER THE GARAGE AND I AM GOING STRAIGHT AWAY RIGHT NOW, TO SECURE IT AND BRING IT BACK! NOW I KNOW! BEFORE I DID NOT. ALREADY THIS ARTICLE IS PAYING OFF. HE'LL SELL IT, TOO!
BIKE ROD N KUSTOM RULES!!! YE HA! AWAY!!!!

   RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/29/2001 at 6:21:06 PM
I AIN'T KIDDING NEITHER! I HAVE A POSITIVE I.D.ON THESE NOW! WISH ME LUCK! HE'S A CRABBY,MOODY, OLD RECLUSE BUT I HAVE A GOOD SHOT AT IT!
BY THE WAY, WHAT'S A DRAGSTRIPER, WHO MADE IT? I DUNNO!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/29/2001 at 6:25:11 PM
I'm recognizing parts here from various stashes, what goes on what bike. In my mind I'm assembling it all together. No more holding some part like a sprocket and not knowing to what it goes on.
I believed from the start that bikerodnkustom would go on to do some bitchin cool things!

   RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by eric on 12/29/2001 at 10:52:23 PM
i just bought an iverson. it is a 1977 (i think) chopper. it's probably post-barris, but i was wondering where to get info on it, especially what it looked like new. it has no chainguard, but has a hole in the driveside chain stay. thanks for any info..........

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by Conrad on 12/30/2001 at 3:25:33 AM
Hey Christopher, if you do procure it, let me know if you want to sell it.

   RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by JimW. on 12/30/2001 at 4:29:56 PM
Is this the chopper that was on E-bay recently? It's a Barris. His designs were in use in the '70s. Lucky dog,
Chris, I hope you got it. Now that people know about them, the prices on Barris Iversons will be skyrocketing, I'm sure.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by ChrisdtopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/30/2001 at 8:04:32 PM
Update! Sunday 11:22 a.m. Bike was sucessfully added to the fleet. There is a problem with a bent fork and I'm wondering if this can be repaired.

   Iverson Chaingaurds posted by Gary M on 12/31/2001 at 6:30:51 AM
I have 2 Iverson locomotive chaingaurds here, one is a 20 in, says Dragstripper on it, the other is a 26 in, in nice condition, could be cut down to 20in, i would say they are both made from the same stamp, and cut to fit.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by Stacey on 1/5/2002 at 5:46:25 PM
Chris,
Dragstripper=A transvestite that does burlesque!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/5/2002 at 10:18:43 PM
That's a good one! Clear all other thoughts from your mind and concentrate. It is 1969, you are in Sears, by the bicycles near the auto section and the smelly tires. You can smell popcorn, candy apples, those lamps that pump oil up where it runs down the fishing line, a whole section of them. The big t.v.s, racks of ladies clothes, the escilators going up and down. It's 1969 and you are in Sears. Concentrate and say this over and over all weekend long. Picture the store in your mind. You are going to see the Sears musclebikes as they sold new, in person, in 1969, at the Sears store.
Can you remember the bikes,were you there ever to see this? Take a look around, go outside and enjoy the day.It's 1969, enjoy yourself.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   MuscleBikes in BR&K posted by The real thing, today, in the shape you found it. on 1/11/2002 at 12:49:10 AM
If you go time traveling from 1969 to today,to the heated garage in winter where it is now. You will be asking where some of the parts went? How could the finish look so diffrent? where did the scratches come from? What happened to the rear wheel? Unfortunitly, you cannot close your eyes and dream and actually bring it back with you. Restoring back to origonal is not a easy task. Possible, yes. But not quick, not cheap,or easy. How many of these department store bikes do we find in unridden mint origonal condition?






AGE / VALUE:1970 coaster cotton picker posted by: Keith on 12/28/2001 at 10:58:07 PM
Hi,1970 cotton picker coaster.Lettering on chainguard is decals.Is this correct?Some say yes for a coaster.Front tire says schwinn approved made in taiwan.Found orig. owner 5 speed cotton with same front tire {very bald}swears it's orig,is it?Also rear hub is knurled{bendix}but no red stripe.Correct?Thanks,Keith.







WANTED:huffy parts posted by: eric on 12/28/2001 at 6:03:12 PM
is there anyone out there that might have some huffy parts for a rail? in particular; a shift console cover, crank parts or rear fender. has anyone ever heard of having plastic parts "re-chromed". thanks, eric


   RE:WANTED:huffy parts posted by Keith on 12/31/2001 at 1:21:45 PM
Plastic rechromeing is done by the car model guys.Try www.modelhaus.com






AGE / VALUE:Hiawatha Sidewinder posted by: Dean on 12/27/2001 at 2:27:33 AM
I have a bike called a hiawatha sidewinder. It has a stingray style frame and fenders. I was just wondering if anyone has any knowledge about a bike like this or how i might be able to find out what year it is.

Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha Sidewinder posted by JimW. on 12/29/2001 at 5:57:20 AM
Love to see a photo of what you've got.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Hiawatha Sidewinder posted by D Smith on 2/17/2002 at 2:35:55 AM
Here in Canada Hiawatha bikes were sold by a Hardware Store called Macloeds. they were around for years and had all different models. Not sure if they were just a Canadian Brand or not.






MISC:Early Stingray info posted by: Kurt S. on 12/26/2001 at 10:56:36 PM
I need to know if there is a difference in the size of the '63-'64 Stingray chainguards and the '65-'68 guards? also, what month/year did Schwinn switch from the non-crimped Persons strut to the crimped Persons strut? Any feedback is helpful.







MISC:5 speed chain posted by: Robert B. on 12/26/2001 at 3:04:03 PM
I found a 5 speed sting ray in the trash last week, I dated it to Oct 72. After derusting the cables and cleaning the frame, I gave up on the chain it was so badly rusted. Are the chains still available in bike shops? I'm not looking for a Nos chain, just one to get the bike functional again.


   RE:MISC:5 speed chain posted by Stacey on 12/26/2001 at 5:03:25 PM
Great find Robert, congrats! Yes, you should be able to find a generic 5 speed chain in any bike shop. You should note there is no master link on these chains. To break/connect a chain you do it by pressing the pins out/in. A decent dealer would probably do this for you with the purchace of a chain. Good luck with your new treasure, keep us posted on how you fare.

In the wind,
Stacey

   RE:RE:MISC:5 speed chain posted by Robert B. on 12/26/2001 at 5:16:09 PM
Thanks for the info, the brake cables work freely now, the speedo cable has been cleaned and works, and shifter cable is ok. The generator needs a little more work. I'm down to cleaning the chrome now. It seems all original.

Thanks

   free advice posted by Gary M on 12/27/2001 at 12:25:08 AM
If anyone is going to ride that bike, replace the brake inner wires, they rust and will break, while looking good at both ends. at least look at them. much cheaper then a fork, rim and dental surgery.

   RE:free advice posted by Robert B. on 12/27/2001 at 12:36:36 PM
It sounds like good advice....

   RE:RE:free advice posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/27/2001 at 9:43:36 PM
Yea, I'd replace them before you ride. You are worth it,you can go right underneath the truck if it fails, and it can fail at a bad time.
Same thing for the chain too.

   RE:RE:RE:Chain posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/27/2001 at 9:45:26 PM
Cut the old chain off and take it into the shop with you. These can be narrow 1/2 X 1/8th. They are out there with some looking.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:Chain posted by Robert B. on 12/28/2001 at 12:42:56 PM
I called a couple bike shops, I found one that had a few (new)old chains sitting around, he loaned me the tool to extract the links, I measured the old with the new and installed it. A quick test spin and the shifter works fine.
A appreciate the help... Now that the bike is ridable cables and a good cleaning are next.
Have a happy New Year!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Chain posted by Stacey on 12/28/2001 at 9:44:21 PM
Sounds like you're making great strides, not to mention having found a SUPER place to spend you bike $$$$'s. It's a rare mechanic that will lend out tools... they usually forget their way back :-( Consider yourself lucky, this guy sounds like a gem.