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AGE / VALUE:   my deluxe posted by: clayton on 3/17/2002 at 8:10:53 PM
i got a schwinn stingray deluxe serial db70200 i wandered wut year it is cuz im new too this hobby i payed 11$ for it did i pay to much and should i restore it and it is in fair condition
its sky blue


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   my deluxe posted by metlhed on 3/17/2002 at 8:23:11 PM
it is a 1966 it was made in april of 1966
do you have a pic?
if you have a pic send it to me at metal_head247@yahoo.com






AGE / VALUE:   amc thunderball posted by: Greg on 3/17/2002 at 5:23:27 AM
posted message on 3-17 this bike looks like a sears screamer not a raliegh chopper thanks for any info.







AGE / VALUE:   amc thunderball posted by: Greg on 3/17/2002 at 5:08:48 AM
picked up this bike at a auto swap meet owner knew nothing about it. it looks like a raliegh chopper.any info on year and value thanks.







AGE / VALUE:   Stingray Krate seats posted by: jamie on 3/17/2002 at 1:00:34 AM
Can anyone give me the link to the guy who repo's Stingray seats? I think it was Pete's Seats or something? thank you


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stingray Krate seats posted by Maurice on 3/17/2002 at 3:05:08 AM
His name is Pete Aronson - the website is www.sting-rays.com
Very professional.
- Maurice

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stingray Krate seats posted by butnut on 3/17/2002 at 9:06:53 AM
Yeah, Pete's da man. I checked his site recently and he'll only sell the seat 'kit'. He used to make the seats on new pans, but he's not doing that any more and he won't recover for you. I've upholstered for almost 25 years, and I've done a bunch of seats using Pete's fine kits. It's not that easy. A heat gun helps but muscle and finesse helps to get those nice 'pull pleats' on the nose and tail of the seat. Good luck.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Stingray Krate seats posted by jamie on 3/18/2002 at 1:58:10 AM
thank you both

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stingray Krate seats posted by jim on 3/21/2002 at 4:23:34 AM
Hi Jamie. I panicked and stockpiled as many sting ray seats as I could afford (even paying the premium for some) when I heard that they would be no longer available. Since I am not paincked anymore, I may be able to sell you what you seek.






AGE / VALUE:   Please give your thoughts on this posted by: Christopher on 3/16/2002 at 4:47:15 PM
Question: What is a blue 5 speed Sting- Ray with the thumb shifter on the handlebars worth? White seat, the big mag sprocket, not the little one. 5 speed derailer gears. Chrome caps on front fork.
What years could this be? it's worth between what and what?
thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Please give your thoughts on this posted by Drew on 3/16/2002 at 8:51:16 PM
It would be mid to late 70's....the stick shift was outlawed in '73. Schwinn head badge should have the date, 26775 would be the 267th day of 1975. Or next to the badge on the frame a two letter code, Old roads had a data page for Schwinn. It would be worth $150-250 most likely, it's alater Stingray.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Please give your thoughts on this posted by Drew on 3/16/2002 at 8:51:25 PM
It would be mid to late 70's....the stick shift was outlawed in '73. Schwinn head badge should have the date, 26775 would be the 267th day of 1975. Or next to the badge on the frame a two letter code, Old roads had a data page for Schwinn. It would be worth $150-250 most likely, it's a later Stingray.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Please give your thoughts on this posted by Chris on 3/17/2002 at 9:24:11 PM
Thanx!






AGE / VALUE:   unknown bike posted by: metlhed on 3/15/2002 at 1:20:31 AM
my brother just got his bike, but we hav no clue what brand it is. it has no headbadge. the top bar is two bars and then the bar that curves up is a single bar(looks odd next to my murray). it is a 24 inch bike, that has been repainted many times but lokks to be origannily blue. we have no clue where to look to find the serial number b/c its not on the rear dropout like on my murray F5 wildcat(yeah!!!). any help identifing it would help. i have one pic but it isnt close up







MISC:   not sure posted by: metlhed on 3/14/2002 at 9:43:28 PM
i have thought long and hard about purchasing this bike.(ebay item #1082209741) if i do purchase it do you guys(and ladies) think it is worth restoring as my first restoration?? thanx


   RE:MISC:   not sure posted by Ray on 3/14/2002 at 11:10:01 PM
For a first project bike it is not bad but you have to realize that in this hobby knowledge is power. The serial number of this bike means it is a later model and not very desireable. You would not want to spend a lot of money to make this bike look like new to find out its value is far less then you spent. A great way to start any new restoration is to do some research on the bike you choose to restore. There is plenty of books that can help here and this site sells quite a few of them. If you are just doing the restoration for fun and to learn that is a different thing. If you would like it to be an investment also you may want to consider a bike that will hold or increase in value. Good luck and don't get discouraged as it can be a challenge to find parts. The cost of plating and paint will also raise your eyebrows so my best suggestion is Research-Research and more Research.

   RE:MISC:   not sure posted by Ed on 3/15/2002 at 2:42:49 AM
Don't waste your money. I saw it. It looks like a late model 79-80 Schwinn Stingray. It is missing too many parts to justify spending $20 on. I would go to the biggest flea market near your home and look for one there. For about that price (let not forget the shipping cost) you could get a more complete bicycle. I picked up a 68 Stingray at my flea market for $36. It came with the rear Stingray slik. It was only missing the seat post and seat. It needed to be repainted but after restoring it, it will be worth a lot more money than a 79-80 Stingray. You need to get a blue book on bikes and avoid any bikes requiring custom paint jobs or ton of parts. When I was new to collecting and restoring bikes I made the same mistakes of purchasing bikes that were too far gone, not worth restoring or requiring a custom paint job that cost more than what the bike was worth.






AGE / VALUE:   old wounds...... posted by: Rob on 3/14/2002 at 7:55:13 PM
Awhile ago we brought up the subject of the Huffy... that came before the Stingray.. The Huffy Penguin?????
Did we ever decide that it really existed?? Did anyone dig up a picture??????..
Just interested in the facts jim......


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old wounds...... posted by Chris on 3/15/2002 at 4:06:31 PM
I am also interested in this. Someone had said in the previous exchange of messages that they had owned one, but sold it years ago. The only thing I can add at this point is that I have a Huffy bike catalogue from 1964, and there is one musclebike shown, named the Dragster. It is black with a white seat, knobby rear tire, and no fenders.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old wounds...... posted by David L. on 3/16/2002 at 8:57:33 PM
I think that Huffy Penguin was from 1962, and is very Rare, only a few hundred being made.






MISC:   To Restore....or not posted by: Drew on 3/13/2002 at 6:28:06 PM
Next year my Stingray turns 40, and for years have thought about a complete restoreation, paint, chrome, ect., but I have left it original, a Nov.'63 lime bike with a red Persons solo polo, it's condition is a 6-7. Many of the scratches I put on the bike 30 years ago in my scrambling days. The bike has character, if restored it would look new but the glory days shown in wear and tear would be gone forever. Finaly, how many original paint lime '63s do you see out there? Hey...I don't look the way I did in 1963 either!


   RE:MISC:   To Restore....or not posted by The Devil on 3/14/2002 at 1:51:27 AM
Restore it! Why hold on to memories that are 40 years old? Hell, why not sell it now while you still can before you wife or grand kids sell it for $20.

   RE:MISC:   To Restore....or not posted by Bob on 3/15/2002 at 4:16:10 AM
If your planning on keeping it around for your own enjoyment and want a nice shiny classic to show off then go for it. I don't think any lighting bolts from above will strike you dead for commititing an unholy act of sacrificing an original early bike. But keep in mind that the value will most likely be lowered and all the loving playtime that radiates presently will be gone forever. Remember it's your bike. Do what makes you feel happy and let others do the same with theirs. Personally, I redid my '63 and love it more than ever. Ride-on!






AGE / VALUE:   To Restore....or not posted by: Drew on 3/13/2002 at 6:28:06 PM
Next year my Stingray turns 40, and for years have thought about a complete restoreation, paint, chrome, ect., but I have left it original, a Nov.'63 lime bike with a red Persons solo polo, it's condition is a 6-7. Many of the scratches I put on the bike 30 years ago in my scrambling days. The bike has character, if restored it would look new but the glory days shown in wear and tear would be gone forever. Finaly, how many original paint lime '63s do you see out there? Hey...I don't look the way I did in 1963 either!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   To Restore....or not posted by Larry on 3/13/2002 at 7:52:09 PM
My personal opionion, leave it a lone. As for the charactor of the bike, erase it all; nothing but a personal memory. Your bike has real life expereinces. All a resto will do is make it look pretty. Drew, the bike and its scares are real, like its owner. You wanted a opionion, their you have it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   To Restore....or not posted by metlhed on 3/13/2002 at 9:06:05 PM
DONT RESTORE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   To Restore....or not posted by Stacey on 3/13/2002 at 10:17:47 PM
Not

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   To Restore....or not posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/13/2002 at 11:27:47 PM
A 6-7 is too high on the condition scale to go messing with it. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" kinda thinking!

Then again, there are times when I think of the one scene in the movie: The Mask where he puts it on and whirrls into the auto repair shop. The surprised mechanics are quaking as he says "Hang onto your lug nuts, It's time for an overhaul!" Does it need an overhaul? Not if it's an 6- 7 condition wise. While I am on the subject of this movie did you English Bike pals notice the Raleigh Sports in Bronze- green? It had the wrong pedals! I went to an estate sale where everybody was asking if there was a mirrow with the dining room set. It seems that this house was furnished with exactly same bamboo furniture. The sharp's were wanting the mirror like the one in the movie. People are nuts!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   To Restore....or not posted by butnut on 3/14/2002 at 7:52:12 AM
Sounds like you almost made yer mind up already. I'm sure you've heard,"It's original only once." Restoring bikes is a hell of a lot of fun. I really enjoy the painting and reassembly of all the shiney NOS and rechromed parts. It's just awesome looking at the bike in all it's splendor. I also have some originals with nice paint and minor dings that have it's own character that the restored bikes don't. Some things should be left as is...the others...go nuts and have fun.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   To Restore....or not posted by Catfood Rob on 3/14/2002 at 7:52:10 PM
Buy a beater that has no sentimental value, and restore it. Make it a replica of your original... then you have one of each...Idid, and Id reccomend it to anyone.






AGE / VALUE:   western flyer buzz bike 3 posted by: jerry on 3/13/2002 at 1:01:46 AM
Looking for a western flyer buzz bike 3 .Three speed shimano stick shift metallic green, Made around 1968-70. Also, found a bike ,I belive is an iverson drag stripper,in a scrap pile five speed stick shift, 16 inch front wheel,but bent forks too with handle bars that go into forks . says drag stripper on chain guard but, head badge says BILTMORE any parts, help apreicated.Thanks.







AGE / VALUE:   MC ser# posted by: Kathy on 3/10/2002 at 11:24:00 PM
to Drew
M=Dec ??now I`m more confused


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   MC ser# posted by butnut on 3/11/2002 at 5:30:50 AM
Howzit Kathy. Easy to understand your confusion. With (A) being January, (L) should be December. BUT, Schwinn, for some unknown reason, or maybe the serial number dude did not graduate 1st grade (LOL) skipped a letter. You DO NOT count the letter (i)...so, with the (i) missing from the abc formula, (M) will be December. Even more fun when figuring out the year...you skip (i) AND (O)...go figure. If anyone knows the real story why Schwinn did this, I'd like to know.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   MC ser# posted by Stacey on 3/11/2002 at 11:34:19 AM
The logical reason was to avoid confusion between the (i) and the L or the 1, and there's not much difference between 0 and O unless you do like the Europeans and mathmatist do and put a / across the 0. Pure conjecture mind you.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   MC ser# posted by butnut on 3/11/2002 at 7:03:35 PM
That's the reason I'll bet. Thanks stacey. Makes complete sense to me now. Upper case lettering would look too much like numbers re: i &o...my apologies to the serial number dude. Learned something new today. Aloha

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   MC ser# posted by Steve Atkins on 3/12/2002 at 12:39:31 PM
To make things more interesting, Schwinn produced some frames with no serial numbers in the mid to late '60's. I've seen a Corvette and a 3-speed Stingray circa 1966-68 with no #'s, but it had a decal stating that it was the property of Schwinn Bicycle Co. anyone know more?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   MC ser# posted by Catfood Rob on 3/14/2002 at 7:54:21 PM
Tavoid confusion...... ioqu ere never used because they looked like 1 0 0 V ..... so no mix ups.






MISC:   IVERSON CHOPPER posted by: ERIC on 3/10/2002 at 9:12:15 PM
I WAS JUST ON THE "RETURN OF THE SIX FOOT MIDGET" SITE AND SAW AN IVERSON CHOPPER TITLED UNKNOWN. I HAVE THE SAME BIKE HERE, BUT IT IS MISSING THE CHAINGUARD. IF THE OWNER OF THIS BIKE COULD EMAIL ME A PHOTO, I WOULD BE GRATEFUL. IF ANYONE ELSE KNOWS OF ANY IVERSON PARTS PEOPLE, PLEASE CLUE ME IN.


   RE:MISC:   IVERSON CHOPPER posted by JimW. on 3/11/2002 at 5:26:08 AM
Someone in this list wrote in saying he had a couple of Iverson chainguards. Not sure which model. It was in early January. Check the recent archives of this list.






AGE / VALUE:   Bendix Hub posted by: Kathy on 3/10/2002 at 6:16:54 PM
Ihave a bendix rear hub with 3 baby blue stripes off a stingray is this a 2 speed?,also say`s overdrive on brake arm


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bendix Hub posted by David on 3/10/2002 at 8:20:17 PM
It should be a 2-speed, the blue bands were overdrive for higher speeds, the yellow band two speeds had lower ratio's.






AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by: Kathy on 3/10/2002 at 6:07:21 PM
I need to date a schwinn frame ser#MC65206
believed to be 5 speed or Krate
any help would be greatly appreciated


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by mike on 3/10/2002 at 6:35:29 PM
Kathy, Check your first mark again, M doesn't make sense to me, but C means, I believe 1967, (probably a 5 speed since krates appeared first in 68)...good luck MM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Drew on 3/10/2002 at 8:24:34 PM
MC is Dec. '67 About this time the very first Krates were made. I've seen a Nov. '67 Krate with Schwinn promotional decals on it.