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Archived: Musclebikes (Sting-Rays, Krates, Choppers, etc.)







MISC:   stingray jr info. posted by: Gary M on 3/24/2002 at 4:30:35 AM
got a 65 stingray Jr. also have what appears to be a girls
65 jr type, has shorty crank. The forks are required for the boys project due to a small tweak sometime. Question is, the girls bike has a large neck in it, that is stamped, not cast. i know i have the incorrect one in my boys bike, is stamped correct? does anyone have a use for this girls frame?


   RE:MISC:   stingray jr info. posted by butnut on 3/24/2002 at 8:39:00 AM
You may already know it, but the girls fork is too long for the boys frame. The front tube is taller by design on the girls frame. I don't know the answer for your neck date question. Good luck.






AGE / VALUE:   nuttin posted by: clayton on 3/24/2002 at 1:02:41 AM
hey i seen a schwinn bike at a auction today it sold for 1$ i didnt but it but it was red with wite pinstripes and it had somekind of trigger on the handle tell me if you have any info on it and P.S there is 100 sweet steel bike mirrors on ebay for five bucks and nos for ten bucks







AGE / VALUE:   MURRAY CHOPPER WHAT IS IT WORTH???? posted by: Eric m on 3/23/2002 at 12:30:14 PM
hi
i have a muuray chopper and i just got it profesonal paint job on it . and the forks are being recromed and im buying nos wheels for it and all the other parts im recroming .
i would like to know how much this awesome bike is whorth when it is done .
thanks
eric m


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   MURRAY CHOPPER WHAT IS IT WORTH???? posted by George on 3/25/2002 at 6:22:07 PM
Hi Eric
I picked one also last year at the flea market. I paid about $65. The chrome and paint was in very good condition. Mines is missing only the plastic gas tank. I saw one at a show selling for $400 once.






AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by: Mike on 3/22/2002 at 8:45:46 PM
Did I hear correctly on some website that the Grape Krate is a rare find? A bike shop down the street has a new one on the floor that has been there for a few years. What's its value?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by metlhed on 3/23/2002 at 12:49:13 AM
well there is a major controversy over certain krates such as the "grape krate" nobody actually knows for sure if schwinn ever made one. i read on one website about how a guy found one in a warhouse that was givin out as a promotional thing. if it was an actual grape krate the value would be priceless

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Grape Krate posted by Mike on 3/23/2002 at 7:33:34 AM
Controversy over whether Schwinn ever made one? Do you mean an "original" from a few decades ago? The one sitting on the showroom floor is Schwinn-made ca. 1999. At $600 should I grab it now?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by butnut on 3/23/2002 at 7:33:38 AM
If it's a coaster brake, it's probably the Taiwan Schwinn repop. Like the Orange and Apple, it's around $400.00. It's a pretty bike and a kool rider for sure.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any new Krate posted by Christopher on 3/23/2002 at 4:59:20 PM
The "New Sting Ray" bicycle frame is made very diffrently than the old school origonal. I would not expect the new version Apple, Orange, or Grape to take one half (1/2) of the abuse the origonal did!
I have heard about a few broken frames with the new stuff and we never did with the origonal flash welded Ray's and Krates.
Remember, the flash welding tooling was dissembled and lost when Schwinn left the Chicago factory. The new Krates and Rays are brazed in Taiwan.
They are not unsafe, just be careful, prudent. Ok?
A pal bought a Orange Krate for his son and he was "nervous"

I said Joe, What's the matter? He said "Chris, It's not the same bicycle you think it is, it's a diffrently made, lighter weight bike!
He didn't want Andy jumping off ramps and knocking it about. My pal was right! I steer away from re- pops anyways.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by Maurice on 3/23/2002 at 6:25:51 PM
What do you guys think about the black '66 - '68 Fastbacks being more collectible, compared to different colors, just because they're black. Is it worthy???? - thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by butnut on 3/24/2002 at 10:00:02 AM
IMO, because the black color was only on the '67 & '68 Fastbacks, that would make it kinda rare. It just looks awesome in Liz's book. The decals pop, the silver seat and handle bar tape...the white wall tires..the whole package just explodes on a black frame. Mother of pearl! I'm doing a resto of a '67 black Ram's Horn for a friend. I did a Lemon and Sunset Orange Fastback for him along with Krates, Pixies, Lil Tigers and a Violet Stardust for his wife. All his Fastbacks have white walls...I just may have to get a black Fastback for myself when I see how sweet this one is when it's done. Do you have one Maurice? Are you looking for one or restoring or have one for sale?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by Maurice on 3/24/2002 at 5:09:08 PM
I do have a 1968 Black Fastback and the black is very deep providing a strong background against the chrome and white lettering - holds a more mirrored luster when polished. I guess to most kids back then the black wasn't appealing compared to the other more vivid/vibrant candy colored rays. Look at all of the black/charcoal bikes on the market today!

Funny thing, almost all of the black Fastbacks I've seen have been Ramshorn bikes - not regular Fastbacks. That may explain their rarity? I also like the '66-'68 shifters better because of the top - more rounded substantial look. The metal stick also is a solid chrome piece , again more appealing to me than the perforated kind.

I should go ahead with the WhiteWalls - who is next best maker other than the NOS Schwinn and more importantly, which will seat better on the rims?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by butnut on 3/24/2002 at 8:51:08 PM
Sweet! Is it an original paint? If so, it's a keeper. Schwinn WW tires will deflate (your wallet) big time. General (tire) is the only other maker of WW fastback tires. The front WW is a little wider than the rear (the white part) but it still looks good. They are not cheap either, but still way less than a Schwinn. They fit the rims fine. I know Schwinn was remaking blackwall Fastback tires along with all the repop stuff...we all know where that went....Good luck.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by Maurice on 3/25/2002 at 12:24:26 AM
Yes, the entire bike is original. It's amazing how good the bike still looks - Schwinn Quality was just that.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Grape Krate posted by Jason on 4/12/2002 at 4:59:20 PM
Schwinn Krate what does it mean? What year is Krate?
Is a Stingray a Krate? Please enlighten me because I don't have a clue






MISC:   Bike Conversion posted by: Mike on 3/22/2002 at 8:08:34 PM
As much as I love the Stingray, I would also like to own the same bike in a larger size. Has anyone ever tried converting a cruiser frame (26" wheel) to an adult-sized "Stingray"?? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm not experienced in restoration/conversion of bikes. I usually just buy 'em and ride 'em. Thanks!


   RE:MISC:   Bike Conversion posted by Dave on 3/22/2002 at 10:46:24 PM
sure, Just put on a seat with strut, handlebars and there you have it!

   RE:MISC:   Bike Conversion posted by Ed on 3/23/2002 at 2:31:27 AM
Add an Atom hub to a 20" tire and put a 24" 5 speed rear wheel, add a 2.125 slick tire (readily available), throw on a 5 speed shifter, a cruiser springer, a tall sissybar, standard 1970 handlebars, a rear fender, eliminate the front, locate a hockey pock chainguard (used on Collegiate Schwinns) chrome plate the top and there you go you have an adult size 1968 Krate. I have already made a three wheeler krate, a mini twin krate and a motorized krate. It wouldn't be that difficult to make an adult size Krate.

   RE:MISC:   Bike Conversion posted by butnut on 3/23/2002 at 7:47:38 AM
To get the right 'scale', start with a 24" frame...Typhoon is nice. 26" cruiser or Phantom repop fork with a 20" S-7 front rim. Lace up the atom hub. 5 speed hub with stick shift or coaster brake..your choice. The banana seat with sissy/shocks can be made to fit. I gave an old Sears 24" Sting Ray 'flip' rear fender to my friend who put together one. Looks just like a Big Krate. Even though I ride the 'kid sized' Krate, it's still fun for this old fart. I have a cherry 24" Typhoon for cruising. Have fun.

   RE:MISC: Bike Conversion posted by Mike on 3/23/2002 at 7:51:24 AM
Thanks for the input! For anyone interested, I found the following site while surfing the web. It pretty much has step by step instructions for making an adult-sized Krate.
http://www.radbike.net/radbikes/alien-ray/

   RE:RE:MISC: Bike Conversion posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 5:02:30 PM
I have a Raleigh made, Triumph badge wearing, 26 inch wheel accomadating, Cantileaver frame. It reminds me of the Krate frame. Strange bike!!






AGE / VALUE:   Huffy Red Hot posted by: Andy on 3/21/2002 at 12:34:00 AM
When I was a kid, I had a Huffy "Red Hot" muscle bike with metallic red paint and flames. The fenders were chromed, with a sissy bar, ape hanger handlebars, Cheater slick, caliper brakes and a red vinyl seat with yellow flames. It had a three speed stick shift. I've never seen another one. Has anyone ever seen a bike like this? Know where I could get one?







MISC:   Whats your favorite muscle bike and why? posted by: Eric on 3/20/2002 at 8:05:14 PM
What do you consider to be the ultimate musclebike and why? I never saw a krate until 1994. I never knew other similar cool bikes ever existed. What I owned as a child was a 1968 standard Stingray. I started collecting bikes 3 years later. I personally like the Swing Bike. There is something about a bike that can kill or mane you in an instant. It is very exciting to ride unlocked. For looks my vote goes to the MTD SS Five made by Columbia. What is your favorite?


   RE:MISC:   Whats your favorite muscle bike and why? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/21/2002 at 12:32:53 AM
You know, it must really have hurt to only have a plain cheap bike and see others with something expensive and neat and exciting. I had a Ross Apollo 3 speed and a pal wanted one and he got a 5 speed to show me up. The coolest bike I can think of would be a high cissy bar Raleigh Chopper in orange. My first memory of the famous Raleigh Chopper was that it "Was too expensive!" Also some of the sales people must have lectured the folks about the "evil Sturmey hub" and it's possibly disasterous adjustment problems. I remember something about the top bar and not wanting to get hurt. I first heard about children and grandchildren from the bicycle salesman. Before that, at that age, I never thought about me having kids. I'm looking up a this middle aged man wondering what in the heck was he talking about, and why can't I have the Raleigh? So no Chopper but the Apollo with the Shimano hub! But that was magical too and boy did I love that bike!! I see the knobby tires on e- bay and remember the flats I had and the waiting to get it back. Why somebody didn't teach me at that age to fix it myself I'll never know. The "Big Wheel" with the hand brake! That was fun. We wore out wheels! Why don't I see old early 70's big wheels anyplace? "The only good bike is a sold bike!" But that's only what the jobbers and shop folk say. We had "lock it or lose it" drilled into our heads and I always carried a heavy Kryptonite U lock with the flat bar. Learning that theives can pick the lock came later. I woulds have said to you "No Way!" If you told me it could be picked. One of the first times I was learning about how crappy the world was, that somebody would steal my bike, if I wasn't responsible with it. I tell you, you are the absolute scum of the earth if you steal some little kids bicycle. The kind of thing I wish there were super hero's in the sky watching out for. Only today, I would ask the super heros to do more important things.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Whats your favorite muscle bike and why? posted by Joel on 3/22/2002 at 3:40:29 PM
Schwinn Fastbacks are nice to ride. The best one I had was a 66 with the Sprint deraleur.

My favorite is the Swing Bike. If they only made a mountain bike version....

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Whats your favorite muscle bike and why? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 5:03:45 PM
So the Sprint derailer is origonal equipment to a Fastback?
Thanks for shedding light.

   RE:MISC:   Whats your favorite muscle bike and why? posted by butnut on 3/24/2002 at 8:56:47 AM
The Sprint sprocket and derailleur are unique to the '66 Fastback. All years after had the Schwinn derailleur and Mag sprocket. My favorite 'Muscle Bike'?...The Krate. But then, I like Sting Rays alot.






AGE / VALUE:   mossberg bicycle posted by: Bob wasser on 3/19/2002 at 9:55:29 PM
Does any one have any information on Mossberg corbon fiber bicycles. I have one that was built in the mid 70s. It is in great condition. I'm curious what it's worth. Dura ace brakes,strong light cranks, sachs derailer.







MISC:   Need help identifying bicycle posted by: George on 3/19/2002 at 8:44:23 PM
I am a first time user of this forum. I don't know much about bicycles. I was at an estate auction and picked up a couple of bicycles. Two are Sears Screamer 1. The other one is a mistery. It has a small wheel in the front with a weird brake. The back tire is a 20 inch tire. These bike like the rest are 5 speeds. It was repainted black. I can't see any tags anywhere. The front fork is different from the other two bikes. I paid $30 for the three bikes. I was hoping someone could give me an idea as to what it can be. Before I forget the rear seat has a spring type device in the back similar to the Sears bike but enclosed in a tube.


   CAUTION!!!! posted by Cal on 3/20/2002 at 3:45:15 PM
Make sure you know what they are worth before selling them to a collector! Sears Screamers are very collectible, as is any 16 x 20 (16 inch front wheel, 20 inch rear)

   RE:CAUTION!!!! posted by George on 3/20/2002 at 7:39:01 PM
Thanks for the info. I have seen some go for about $80 up to $350 depending on shape. I know a guy who bought one for $435 on Ebay which included shipping for a Screamer that needed to be repainted. It did have a tall sissybar and orginal tires. I saw the bike and I wouldn't have paid it. He got it on Ebay. There was about 14 bidders bidding against him.

   RE:MISC:   Need help identifying bicycle posted by sam radojevic on 3/22/2002 at 6:56:07 AM
George, it could also be a Raleigh chopper. I have two.






MISC:   Need help identifying bicycle posted by: George on 3/19/2002 at 8:44:23 PM
I am a first time user of this forum. I don't know much about bicycles. I was at an estate auction and picked up a couple of bicycles. Two are Sears Screamer 1. The other one is a mistery. It has a small wheel in the front with a weird brake. The back tire is a 20 inch tire. These bike like the rest are 5 speeds. It was repainted black. I can't see any tags anywhere. The front fork is different from the other two bikes. I paid $30 for the three bikes. I was hoping someone could give me an idea as to what it can be. Before I forget the rear seat has a spring type device in the back similar to the Sears bike but enclosed in a tube.


   RE:MISC:   Need help identifying bicycle posted by Stacey on 3/19/2002 at 10:47:29 PM
Welcome aboard George! You state it has a "weird brake". Can you describe it? Also, look for a serial number; either on the dropouts (where the rear wheel mounts), the underside of the bottom bracket (where the pedal crank goes through the frame) or lastly the steering neck (the tube at the front of the frame between the forks and handlebars). Another thing to look for is any names in the hubs, grips, pedals, brakes or markings in bolt heads.

One last thing you can do is to look through the picture data base. Try first looking for Sting-ray, Krate, Schwinn. then move on to Muscle bike. I'm sure with enough digging you'll find something close. When you have something you think concrete let us know, along with your serial number. A picture would be helpfull to, if you can post it somewhere.

In the wind,
Stacey

   RE:RE:MISC:   Need help identifying bicycle posted by George on 3/20/2002 at 7:45:25 PM
I forgot to mention it has the name Atom on the front circular brake. It looks like a Stingray from the photos I saw in the archives. I have seen a lot of bikes that look like Stingray though. Someone told me that it could be a krate. I don't think so. It has a 5 speed rear wheel with the name Atom on it also. Krates only had Atom brakes in the front not in the back. Is there another bike company that used Atom brakes besides Schwinn.






FOR SALE:   1970's CCM CHEETHA MUSCLE BIKE posted by: al pipher on 3/18/2002 at 2:58:04 PM
I have a girls CCM CHEETHA bike for sale. The bike is in mint shape with very few marks. Original paint is purple. Original tires ,still has the factory nobs on the rubbber.
It is a 3 speed on strumney archer on the handle bar.
This bike would make a great addition to any muscle bike collection. E-mail and I can arrange photos..
al







AGE / VALUE:   Yellow Sting-Ray Jr. posted by: Pat on 3/18/2002 at 3:12:03 AM
I have a yellow Sting-Ray Junior. It has a black seat with a metal plate on the back of the seat that says Schwinn and yellow grips that also say Schwinn. Its in very good condition and totally original down to the tires. It has a serial number RH52448(the 8 could be a 3)on the neck of the bike. I also have a matching girls bike that has a white seat with flowers on it and has been repainted yellow. The numbers on that is FL535686. I would like to know what years these bikes are and how much they are worth?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Yellow Sting-Ray Jr. posted by Pat on 3/18/2002 at 4:45:43 PM
I made a mistake,on the first Sting-Ray I have on my questions above. The serial number is FL535686(on the neck under the handle bars.)not RH52448. And in addition to the information I have on the first bike listed the rear tire is a 20x1 3/4 Sting-Ray Gripper Slick. And then the other mistake I made on the second bike is the serial number is KH52448_(8 could be a 3 and the K is a K not a R and there is a number after the 8 but I can't make it out)Please help me out and tell me what years these 2 bikes are and how much they are worth. These bikes look like a his & her set but I think they are different years.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Yellow Sting-Ray Jr. posted by mike on 3/22/2002 at 3:51:28 AM
Pat, Check on this site for the year of your bikes, I would say that right now these aren't worth too much, but if you hold onto them they will increase in value, The boys bike will be worth more, maybe 125.00 to 150.00 today depending on shape and orginal paint, or try Ebay for a true price...good luck...M






AGE / VALUE:   Firestone S/S GTO 3spd.? posted by: Pat on 3/18/2002 at 3:01:35 AM
I have a Firestone S/S GTO with a 3spd. shifter on the frame. The color is a Lime Green with white seat and grips. It has a back green fender but no front fender. The rear tire is a Firestone slick. I was wondering what year this bike is and around how much the bike is worth?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone S/S GTO 3spd.? posted by Pat on 3/19/2002 at 3:42:59 PM
I guess no one on this site knows anything about bikes, I ask two questions with perfect descriptions and I get zero responses. This site blows hard, you bikers are a real help. Thanks a whole lot. I now know to go to another site to ask questions about sting-rays since obvisly no one knows nothing about bikes here.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone S/S GTO 3spd.? posted by willowdawn@excite.com on 3/19/2002 at 6:18:23 PM
Well, let's see here Pat. It's been less than 48 hours since your initial post. In one of them you provide erronious information and then you procede to correct yourself in an un-clear manner. In your other post you ask for information on an obscure marque and provide minimal information yourself.

Now, it would be safe to assume one of two situations exist. A) The person that has the information you seek has not made their way into these boards as of yet. - OR - B)No one has the knowlege of which you so humbly seek. Based on your follow up message if the former exists, that you could rot in hell before anyone would share a used Kleenex with you.

Something that interests me... just how much independent research did you do on these bikes before turning to these boards for help? Oh, as I thought... NONE!

You're the weakest link, GOODBYE!






AGE / VALUE:   my deluxe posted by: clayton on 3/17/2002 at 9:35:44 PM
on the 66 stingray deluxes have nobby tires
and did the paint suposed too match the handle grips







AGE / VALUE:   my deluxe posted by: clayton on 3/17/2002 at 9:30:19 PM
i dont have a pic but it is in pretty good shape and have u heard of ertle brand i wandered how old it is