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Archived: Musclebikes (Sting-Rays, Krates, Choppers, etc.)







WANTED:   iverson dragger/custom wheels posted by: glenn rapp on 8/29/2004 at 2:18:43 PM
I am looking for a Iverson bicycle built in the early 70's.It was called a dragger,usually green,L-shaped banana seat,high back sissy bar,and the cast aluminum mag wheels.
Had the mags wheels up until 1995,but parents sold the house and the wheels got left up in the garage or tossed out.If anyone knows of some around,or a full bike please drop a note and a way to arrange for purchase.thanks glenn
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   RE:WANTED:   iverson dragger/custom wheels posted by ziggy on 8/29/2004 at 3:35:23 PM
They had alluminum wheels? : 0 I could of swore that they had spoke wheels. Or plastic alluminum look alike wheels. Those aren't easy to come by these days. >: )
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   RE:RE:WANTED:   iverson dragger/custom wheels posted by glennrapp on 8/30/2004 at 1:05:47 AM
yeah they were cast aluminum,five spoke,great for smash up derby with other kids,they must have weighed 20 lbs a piece,
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MISC:   Head Badge 1964 Sting Ray posted by: Kerri on 8/29/2004 at 1:06:46 AM
I have a 1964 Sting Ray (coppertone) that has a head badge with absolutely no paint. It is in good condition and shows no indication of ever having any paint. I've looked at numerous pictures and all the head badges i've seen have paint. Did it possibly have just black lettering at one time? Any help would be much appreciated. I have attached a picture.


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   RE:MISC:   Head Badge 1964 Sting Ray posted by Kerri on 8/29/2004 at 1:20:38 AM
Here is the link to view the picture:
members.cox.net/krichardson22/HeadBadge.JPG
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   RE:MISC: Head Badge 1964 Sting Ray posted by mike on 3/1/2005 at 10:26:06 PM
your link is not showing. the coppertones came with white headbadges with black lettering. also are you interested in selling this bike.

thanks
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: L P on 8/28/2004 at 8:51:58 PM
ZIG
ZIG
ZIG
WHATS YOUR EMAIL
THE BUYER ON THE ORANGE KRATE BACKED OUT
PLEASE ANSWER FAST
L.P
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ziggy on 8/28/2004 at 11:50:42 PM
I know he backed out! I was pissed off! It could of been an OK bike once I "restored" it! >: /
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ziggy on 8/28/2004 at 11:55:31 PM
I'm also not going to give anyone my email unless I trust that they won't post it so I get a huge load of crapmail in my inbox. >: /
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/29/2004 at 11:31:05 AM
Suggest you set up a "throwaway" email acct. on either Yahoo! or Hotmail. I've done it in the past... and when they start pigging up with SPAM, just "dispose" of it and set up a new one.

Just a thought.

Later!

Boneman
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AGE / VALUE:   Banana seat identification posted by: Kurt K on 8/26/2004 at 12:17:14 AM
Hello all,

I just picked up an old Permaco banana seat from a local bike repairman - I can't seem to tell if it's an aftermarket or if it was for a specific brand of bike.

Below are photos of it. The stickers on the bottom say "Permaco 5017," and the pan appears to be thin metal, like the 1960's Mesenger Schwinn two-tone seats.

www.jaysmarine.com/bananaseat1.jpg
www.jaysmarine.com/bananaseat2.jpg

Any idea on what bike it might have been used on, if any? The seat post mount is the standard size - NOT Schwinn size.

Take care,

Kurt


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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Banana seat identification posted by ziggy on 8/26/2004 at 1:08:48 AM
Murray maybe???? : 0
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AGE / VALUE:   Pirelli tires posted by: Nick on 8/25/2004 at 11:54:05 PM
Hello,
does anybody know where i can find some all white Pirelli brand tires (20"x1.75") for an Italian fold up bicycle. All help is appreciated. thanks
Nick
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WANTED:   Look for 70's musclebike posted by: Al on 8/25/2004 at 5:17:27 AM
WANTED 1971 Royce Union muscle bike Color , bright orange . 16x20, 3 spd . all the bels and whistles.


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   RE:WANTED:   Look for 70's musclebike posted by ziggy on 8/25/2004 at 4:26:00 PM
Wow, that's when glasses were still a 1/2" thick. I don't think ebay is an option here. You don't see too many of them. I hope you find one and get your awesome childhood bike back. >: )
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   RE:RE:WANTED:   Look for 70's musclebike posted by Al on 8/27/2004 at 4:13:30 AM
ziggy, thanks for going easy on the picture. I have had some pretty wild comments.
my brothers bought me that bike with their first jobs, it was pretty cool.
I have been looking on and off for two years now and have come across other Royce Union bikes but not the same as that one.
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   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Look for 70's musclebike posted by ziggy on 8/27/2004 at 5:24:24 PM
Well good luck finding one. They do look pretty cool. >: )
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MISC:   I need help. posted by: Chains on 8/24/2004 at 9:37:46 PM
I found these bikes under my cabin and I would like to know what they are and how to restore them. I can email you pics if you want.

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   RE:MISC:   I need help. posted by larry on 8/26/2004 at 12:38:42 AM
send me a pic
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   RE:MISC:   I need help. posted by mike on 12/25/2004 at 9:38:44 PM
Can you post a picture of them.then i can tell you what to do to restore them
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FOR SALE:   1967 Sting Ray posted by: John Jordan on 8/24/2004 at 1:16:56 PM
I have a 1967 Sting Ray. All original, No reflector and the rear tire is a replacement. Needs a good cleaning. It is the standard model (foot brake/no gears) in the coppertone color. It is located in northern New Jersey. Any interest?

Thanks,
John
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   RE:FOR SALE:   1967 Sting Ray posted by ziggy on 8/24/2004 at 2:21:38 PM
Well if it has a replacement rear tire, then it ain't all original anyomore. ; )
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   RE:FOR SALE:   1967 Sting Ray posted by larry on 8/26/2004 at 12:38:05 AM
hey send me a pic and we will negoitate a price
thanks
Lp
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: larry p on 8/24/2004 at 2:25:51 AM
hello i just aqurired a terra cotta stingray.
what years did the make them
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ziggy on 8/24/2004 at 2:20:38 PM
Look up the serial number and do some research. >: )
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Joe on 9/4/2004 at 2:47:29 PM
Call me I can help you 908-996-0276 or e mail me jbgb39@yahoo.com.
Joe
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: larry p on 8/24/2004 at 2:25:51 AM
hello i just aqurired a terra cotta stingray.
what years did the make them
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MISC:   SWAP IS THIS COMING WEEKEND! (AUGUST 29th) posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 8/23/2004 at 11:42:11 AM
This Sunday is the date of the Northeast Bicycle Swap Meet.
We have registered vendors coming from all 6 New England states as well as New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. There will be original Schwinn Sting-Rays, Krates, balloon tire bicycles from the 1930s, 40s and 50s, track bikes, a turn-of-the-century board track racer, English roadsters and GOOD USED Mountain and Road bikes.

FREE Admission to the swap meet
- AND -
FREE admission to the New England Musclebike Museum!

There is no official bicycle show with judging and awards, but if you've got a cycle you're proud of, then bring it a long!

Click on the banner above for details and directions to the swap.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com

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AGE / VALUE:   Can you buy Schwinn OCC in Canada? posted by: Desperate to know B.Z. on 8/22/2004 at 3:01:17 AM
Can anybody tell me where in the hell do you buy OCC Schwinns in Canada???? Are their any stores that sell them? or, where can I buy one in Michigan?
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you buy Schwinn OCC in Canada? posted by ziggy on 8/22/2004 at 3:36:51 PM
Well it just so happens that I saw one hanging from the ceiling in my local Walmart. : 0 Too bad I couldn't reach it otherwise I would of smashed it in the store. If you havn't seen one yet let me tell you. They are TOO SMALL! >: )
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you buy Schwinn OCC in Canada? posted by Craig on 8/23/2004 at 2:01:35 PM
We had a new Target that just opened up in and they seemed to have a ample supply. There was one on the floor daily for the first 3 weeks. Walmart is starting to get more in stock now. I'll make a prediction that when production increases they will be all over.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you buy Schwinn OCC in Canada? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/22/2004 at 10:20:07 AM
Whew... a tall order methinks. I have yet to see one at retail here in the northeast PA area (inclusive of Wal*Marts in NJ, PA and NY). Matter of fact, I've enquired at the different Wally Worlds in the area... and they've never even HEARD of 'em. Heck, I've yet to even SEE one in person!

Not that I'm interested in procuring one as they are too small for me, but I would like to eyeball one up close.

There's TONNES of 'em on Ebay... all quite "rare". Just read the listings. ;-)

If you check at the "official website" there is a listing of "where to buy".

http://www.schwinnstingray.com

And I believe one of the places would be Wal*Mart's onlin store. Wether or not you can order it there with any success, I've not a clue.

Good luck in your "quest" ! And ifya do find one... don't tell Ziggy.. ;-) :-D

Later!

Boneman
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you buy Schwinn OCC in Canada? posted by Al on 8/25/2004 at 5:03:43 AM
I found one in a local paper , can't remember the price but I have not seem any in stores around here(Ontario). If they have not been in stores yet we probably will not see them.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you buy Schwinn OCC in Canada? posted by ziggy on 8/25/2004 at 4:28:10 PM
Well you could always come into the good old USA in New york and find a walmart that carries one. Why is it that adults are more into those new bikes than kids? Strange. >: )
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AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by: john on 8/20/2004 at 8:15:59 PM
hello everyone,
i just bought a old barn full of lots of bikes.
ive found a 1968 lemon peeler in the box in a pile of schwinn bikes.
I need to know the value and will take offers.
there is also a bunch of phantoms and typhoons.
i have a pea picker a orange krate that are assembaled but a little dirty and i dont want thees bikes so make offers.

thanks
john
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by john on 8/22/2004 at 7:06:19 PM
NO!
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Who cares? on 8/23/2004 at 1:25:10 PM
I'm not citing John, or any specific fellow here, but usually, when someone is presented with a "make an offer"-type ad, it's usually that buyer that gets the short end of the stick.

More then once I've made what I thought was a reasonable offer on an item - just to get chewed out by the seller who's all-fired upset at me for making such a "low offer."

Maybe it was a low offer, but heck, if the seller opens himself up to any price with one of these ads, he ought expect every dollar range imaginable to fly into his inbox.

There's nothing wrong with a polite brushoff to a cheap offer either. After all, you asked for an offer, and you got them.

If you want to have a fistfight with everyone who presents an offer of $1 for your 'rare, collectable, vintage this-or-that," well, you might as well state your price and get the 'serious' offers you wanted in the first place!

Buyer Advice: Never accept a "make an offer" ploy. Tell the seller that you want to know his price, or you won't buy it. If you are at a swap meet, walk away - a seller knows that he has less of a market at a meet then online, and might call you back. The only exception to this rule is when you truly want the item, and you are willing to shell out big bucks for it.

I step off my soapbox.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by laura the stripper on 8/23/2004 at 8:22:13 PM
BONEMAN
HELP
The idiots are fighting
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Blah blah blah on 8/23/2004 at 10:04:49 PM
Sounds like both of you are acting like 2 year olds. Go to your neutral corners and stop using the forum as your flame stadium.
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/23/2004 at 11:14:08 PM
HOLY MACKEREL.... EASY there fellas. There's no need fer ugly words and such... I mean c'mon awready. We're talkin' BICYCLES here! It's not like ya dissed each other's mom or something! At least not yet.... :-\

John obviously made himself quite a find and is willing to cull the "herd" per se to perhaps cover the cost. And in all liklihood, "cherry pick" the best of the bunch. I don't blame him and I would do the same.

So, what I see here is a couple of "fishing expeditions" that have gone a bit awry fer sure. John's asking for offers and Ziggy's offer that perhaps was a bit low. Both you fellers were kinda fishin' to feel each other out and I daresay as a result of the "crossfire" there aint gonna be any dough or bikes passing between the two of you.

A bit of a bummer. To be honest, I would be interested in maybe one of the bikes but I'm not knowledgeable enough to quote a price that would be fair. Additionally, it's tough to make an offer on a bike based on a verbal description alone. Hence, I just kinda passed at this point.

So let's forget the harsh words. Oft times our "tone" comes across in emails and posts entirely different than how we intended.

Bottom line is, John is not going to sell any bikes for less than what HE feels they are worth. And you know what? Anyone who DOES buy one will only PAY what THEY feel they are worth.

Yeah, we would all love to find a near cherry Pea Picker or whatever at a tag sale for five bucks and those kind of deals, while fewer and further between, do still happen. But I don't think anyone is going to come in here and sell one for that price.

I'm sure Ziggy meant no offence with his initial offer. And I'm sure that John really meant no offence with his reply.

Enough said. Perhaps John would post some prices for his machines that he feels are fair and those interested can take it from there.

Don't forget the reason why we're here. We like bicycles and doggone it... we wanna have FUN!

Later!

Boneman


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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by None of your stinkin~ buisness on 8/24/2004 at 1:21:21 AM
Cool it Zig.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: HELP posted by Stacey on 8/24/2004 at 1:03:59 PM
Dunno, but Laura & John share the same IP address
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by ziggy on 8/21/2004 at 3:31:43 PM
Nice find. How about 250$ for the pea picker.
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by john on 8/24/2004 at 2:28:57 AM
2 year old
so immature
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/24/2004 at 9:14:55 AM
With all this opprobrium being cast about... y'all missed a wee detail that has piqued my interest....

Where does Laura work? ;-)

Later!

Boneman
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/28/2004 at 1:56:01 AM
'Twould appear that some of the more obstreperous posts have been culled from the board.

Gotta be careful what we post... after all, the server is owned by VVVintage and we are "guests" here per se.

Later!

Boneman
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by ziggy on 8/28/2004 at 11:53:58 PM
Well sometimes you have to post some rash messages once in a while. Remmember that guy chopperzzzz!? Yeah the one that started the whole thing by posting a message that said that I was an idiot! How would you respond to that larry? Probably not as aggressive as I did, but you wouldn't take it kindly! >: /
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/29/2004 at 2:06:13 AM
Well... I understand your angst certainly. Thing is, many folks that post such things are looking for PRECISELY the kind of responses that get your posts removed... and in some NG's your posting "privledges" REVOKED. I've seen it happen and would certainly hate to see it happen here.

My response to such a verbal "assault" would be one of two things. Depending of course on the type of assault it was.

Firstly, I would offer NO response. i.e., not even dignify the offensive post whatsoever.

Secondly (and this particular skill takes time to develop and practice to perfect), I would respond with a fulmination of contumelious opprobrium, vituperating the pusillanimity of the offendor in such a consummately sesquipedalian fashion that he would end up lucubrating over numerous lexicographical tomes in order to glean the gist of my meaning.

Uhhhh... or something... ;-)

:-O

Later!

Boneman
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by ziggy on 8/29/2004 at 3:39:35 PM
OK that made no sense. Mybe it would to a HARVARD graduate in psychology, but not to me. You're right. I probably shouldn't reply to those at all. But my nature is to reply and fight back. That's just the way I am. I have always had a short fuse. >: )
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   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/29/2004 at 5:06:32 PM
Oh, it made perfect sense... though not necessarily "psychological" in nature. Being a logophile (one that loves words) can be both an asset... and a burden.

Hmmm... well, 'tis in my nature to fire back too. But I've come to learn that my initial emotional response usually falls far short of a carefully pondered and well worded retort.

Always remember... it is nearly impossible to win a battle of wits with an unarmed person. All they can do, by being obtuse, is cause you to succumb to flying off the handle. Which is usually perceived by the casual observer as a loss of control.

Though, admittedly, it can be fun. ;-)

Later!

Boneman


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   Reply? posted by chris on 9/7/2004 at 7:41:07 PM
do you have a list with prices and pics? thanks!
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AGE / VALUE:   Is OCT 1971 a 1972 model? posted by: Bike Mike on 8/20/2004 at 2:54:43 PM
Hello everyone, I have a Apple Krate with the serial # KG078555. Can anyone explain when the model years changed over. Thank you.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is OCT 1971 a 1972 model? posted by Bike Mike on 8/24/2004 at 2:06:23 PM
Can no one answer this simple question? At what point in the year did Schwinn stop calling a bike one year or the next? Can a Oct "71" Apple Krate be changed into a Grey Ghost and be within the proper time frame?
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is OCT 1971 a 1972 model? posted by Larry p on 8/24/2004 at 2:23:36 PM
hello mike
the grey ghost was introduced in 1971 so it would be correct.
the grey ghost of this year is very rare.
good luck on your restoration
L.P
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MISC:   WHO MADE BIKE?? posted by: JOHNNY on 8/19/2004 at 10:21:44 AM
PICKED UP LITTLE MUSCLE BIKE THIS WEEKEND,CANT FIND ANY INFO ON IT!!THE FRAME IS BASICALLY LIKE THE STINGRAY,BUT HEADBADGE SAYS foremost,CHAINGAURD SAYS swinger,ANYBODY EVER SEEN ONE OF THESE??
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   RE:MISC: WHO MADE BIKE?? posted by Stacey on 8/19/2004 at 1:03:05 PM
Formost is the J.C. Penney's house brand. If you can provide a serial number, it might help in idetifying the maker.
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   RE:RE:MISC: WHO MADE BIKE?? posted by johnny c on 8/20/2004 at 11:26:48 PM
helloo stacy,i found the #s on lower left rear,it is 8h190159
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   RE:MISC:   WHO MADE BIKE?? posted by Frankster on 8/25/2004 at 9:49:11 PM
If your bike is a Swinger V (5 speed model)I can tell you more about it. I bought one as a kid. Let me know.
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