AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by: Blaise on 1/15/2005 at 4:43:15 PM
I have an Orange Krate (1969?) with a bit of a problem. After an out of state move, when re-attaching the pedals and handlebars (moving company removed the pedals and handlebar so the bike could be boxed) I cross threaded the left pedal into the crank. This happened in 1971 (i was only 11 when I did it !!!) and the bike was not ridden since. Can the threads be repaired with a Heli-Coil or some other similar insert ? I really dont want to replace the crank assembly as this bike has never been apart (besides the bars and pedals) since new. It has been hanging upside down, inside a garage since 1974/75 and is in excellent condition ... no rust, paint and seat are excellent. Also the tires, they are the originals with very little wear (rear has a thin orange stripe on the sidewall) but the sidewalls are cracked from dry rot. Does anyone make this rear tire with the orange stripe ? It is also missing the rear reflector under the seat, is it available anywhere ? The mounting tab is still there, and I seem to remember it being a round reflector. I am considering a good cleaning and fixing these two issues to possibly sell the bike ... my young son has no interest in it.

Thanks,
Blaise
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by ziggy on 1/16/2005 at 1:06:19 AM
Well cross threading is a common mistake. I did like an idiot on my brand new remake stingray. I swapped the stock 3" crank for about an 8" crank. Mine was also the left pedal. The pedal was the right size, but I attached it in a hurry because I was anxious to take it out for a ride. A week and a half later the fu**ing pedal came off and I sliced my foot on the crank end. There were absolutley no threads left on the pedal. I had to swap the crank for a different one and I had to buy a new set of pedals. Like I said the threads on the pedal are most likely toast. And the crank is done too because there aren't any threads left in that either. You may possibly get away with retapping the crank to a larger size, but that means you would have to buy a pedal with a mounting stub to match. I can almost gaurantee that you can't purchase a single pedal. Believe me I tried. So either tap BOTH ends of the crank to a larger size for matching size pedals, or trash the crank and pedals for new ones. Ebay usually has a lot of pedals and cranks floating around. I see them all the time. This option is extreme. Cut the left "arm" of the crank about halfway down. Then fab a new end drilled and tapped to the correct size and weld it back on. If you bevel the edges at about 60 degrees with a grinder before welding, then you won't have a weld bead sticking out as much. Then grind the weld bead flush with the crank. You can then have the crank rechromed. Chrome spray paint doesn't work. >: )
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by Kurt K on 1/16/2005 at 1:27:54 AM
Well, Zig, I must say you must have covered every possible option available!

I must say though, Blaze, that your easiest and possibly best option available is to purchase an N.O.S. Schwinn Krate crank and a pair of NOS Stingray pedals on eBay, then simply remove the chainguard (to clear the chainwheel) and left pedal, loosen and remove the bottom bracket cones and slip the assembly out. Swap the chainwheel out onto the new crank, and reverse the removal process to install.

If you do plan to sell the bike, this is probably your best option - it's easy, and it'll probably settle fine with the purists.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by j on 1/17/2005 at 5:28:15 PM
I really wouldn't worry about changing the crank. I can pretty much garentee no one would know you swapped it, unless there so fanactical they took it apart to check....swapping the pedals, thats a differint story....you can get close repo pedals for literly about $5 bucks!

if it makes you feel better, my schwinn apple krate has a 7" pacific crank :)
(real schwinn pedals though)

I would NOT recomend cutting and welding the crank!!!!!!!
first off if you only have a hacksaw, you are NOT going to cut the crank! its hardend steel. I know becuase I attempted to shorten a schwinn crank once. I was able to eventurally cut the thing, then I TIG welded it. that broke, re welded it, broke again, welded it with an oxy acetylene torch, one side held, one side broke. I even had an expert TIG weld it and STILL broke! if it wasn't heat treated it more then likely would be pheasable.

so as you can see, the best thing is just buy another crank of the same size and a new set of pedals. used or new schwinn pedals if you want, re-use the good original pedal and install the new pedal in place of the bad one, that way its more original... dont fret over it, you could have done worse, like actually riding the bike after doing this then standing on the pedals :)

which reminds me of two accidents:
schwinn krate: 3 speed, slipped out of gear while I was standing on the pedals, I went foward, right where the shifter should have been (ouch...good thing my krate doesnt have one...) and I then landed flat on my chest in the road.... krate got away with pretty much no damage...

royce union 3 speed bike bought at garage sale for $3bucks: pedal tore out of crank, probably for a similar reason...

good luck!

I probably have the reflector you need, send me an email.

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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969) posted by Kurt K. on 1/18/2005 at 12:59:59 AM
Just a suggestion, Blaze: Don't type the whole serial number - some moron out there may attempt to "demand" the bike, accusing it of being stolen. I haven't heard any confirmed cases of this happening, but most folks put a row of asricks (e.g. LE50***) when typing the last few digits. By the way, the LE prefix works out to the year 1969 - you can remove the question mark ;-)

On the subject of crankarms, believe it or not, a serious Krate collector will make a big old bi***ing festival if the bike is not stated to have an aftermarket crank - even though some modern cranks may be near dead-ringers for the Krate cranks, the collectors will still complain - although when you spend close to a thousand bucks for a bike, I can see where someone can become picky.

The tipoff to spotting an aftermarket crank is usually by the casting of the crankarms - I won't go into this, or I'll end up writing a whole illustrated book here.

Curiously, how much are you asking for the Krate?

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969) posted by ziggy on 1/18/2005 at 6:53:41 PM
Well cutting and welding WAS just a last resort option. Just go with the new crank and pedals. That's right, you shouldn't of typed the whole number. A cop or two might drop by your house asking you if you stole that bike. If you have the original receipt then you're fine. >: )
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by Blaise on 1/18/2005 at 7:56:39 PM
Thanks guys, my parents have it ... we had a bit of a laugh about my mother who always saves things. They have the receipt and some kind of information tag that hung on the handlebar in a clear plastic holder ... is there any way to delete the digits on prev. posts just to be safe ?

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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by mike on 1/18/2005 at 8:28:26 PM
I was wondering how much you want for the bike.

thanks
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by Blaise on 1/18/2005 at 8:32:02 PM
Kurt
I am still trying to figure a fair price out ... I see one guy on the internet with a beautifully restored Krate asking 3,500 ... a nicely restored 68 on Ebay at 1,200 with a bit of time left, a rough one that sold for 750 recently, and a 70 Disc Brake Orange Krate with a starting bid of 1,000 (no bids yet !). I am frankly not sure what to ask. I saw some 70 NOS pedals are they the same as 69 ? No correct crank spotted yet. Mine is a nice, little used original that has spent most of its life hanging from a rafter, but it does have the crank problem ... not being a collector and wanting to be fair to a buyer and myself, I guess I am trying to get a little more informed as I look for parts and decide how to sell it. Any input is appreciated.

Blaise

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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by ziggy on 1/19/2005 at 2:42:06 AM
Sorry. Those numbers are permanantley part of the oldroads discussion area. You might be able to ask VVVintage(this site) a special favor to remove that posting. Go to the "new bikes for sale" section and pick one for sale. You will find an email address to the guys of this site. Ask them nicely to remove the posting for the security of your bike. I know they can remove messages because several were removed after a few people decided to piss me off. One of the deleted messages was "bite me". So if you kindly ask, then you may receive. We're all bike enthusiasts right Vin? By the way good spotting on the pedals. The pedal design hasn't changed for most of the schwinn stingray bikes. So the pedals you found should fit if you find a matching crank. >: )
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   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by Kurt K. on 1/20/2005 at 2:52:03 AM
If it's as nice as you say it is (nearly showroom, could pass for NOS with some minor cleaning?), crank problem aside, I'd say at least $1000, if not more. Try starting at $1,600 - the Schwinn Forums at www.schwinnbike.com is a great place to unload these to serious collectors.

Take care,

Kurt
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by mike on 1/23/2005 at 10:50:58 PM
Blaise, to rethread your cranks go to megalowrider.com and email them, they have a tool for rethreading cranks, i dont think its on the site. i have the parts booklet for the site and saw it in there for like $25.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by Blaise on 1/29/2005 at 8:09:57 PM
Ziggy, Kurt, J and Mike ... just wanted to again express my thanks to you all for your help and advice. I will let you know how the sale goes ! Best Regards.... Blaise
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Orange Krate (1969?) posted by Blaise on 1/30/2005 at 6:12:29 PM
Sold the bike last night ... price was close to what you recommended I start at. Again, thanks to all for your help, the Krate has a good new home !

Blaise
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AGE / VALUE:   ross apollo posted by: mike on 1/15/2005 at 1:24:30 AM
im looking for a black ross apollo seat(strap color doesnt matter. yellow strap is preffered but ill take anything u got)
looking for a ross apollo rear tire(condition doesnt matter as long as there is no holes) rear five speed rim and sissy bar.condition doesnt matter as long as pitting is not serious.
ill buy what you have or maybe trade.

thanks
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ross apollo posted by ziggy on 1/16/2005 at 1:08:25 AM
I don't know much about ross apollos, but I know that the "yellow band" seat is pretty rare. >: )
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ross apollo posted by j on 1/17/2005 at 5:39:15 PM
send me an email, I have some ross stuff:

weststreetbikes@hotmail.com
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AGE / VALUE:   schwinn fastback posted by: mike on 1/15/2005 at 1:22:08 AM
Im looking for a blue stingray seat, 5-speed stik shift, five speed s2 rear rim, s2 front rim,AND A DERAILER.all for shcwinn fatsbakc.conditon doesnt matter as long as there is no pitting.

thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   Blue moon in sinkhole update. posted by: Dan on 1/14/2005 at 1:45:48 PM
HELP!PLEASE! I Cleaned up where the numbers were on the schwinn I found in the sinkhole. They are MR17031 OR MR170B1 or BL. I am trying to find out exactly what kind of bike I have. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It is blue with blue hand grips, has a flared back fender , a fivespeed decal and a round schwinn decal right under where the seat goes.The paint is worn where the shifter used to be, and the schwinn decals on the frame are white. This bike at one time also had hand brakes.Was there a bluemoon in schwinns series of muscle bikes? Thanks for anything. Dan.
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   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Blue moon in sinkhole update. posted by jr on 1/14/2005 at 10:11:46 PM
There was no schwinn bike by that name. Post a picture.
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MISC:   awesome website posted by: stephie on 1/14/2005 at 8:39:43 AM
I found a website: www.bluemoonbikes.com that has a lot of parts. I call ed and wen and visited, they had 50+ krates, swingbikes, phanotms, fastbacks and thousands of parts. If you need parts for sting-rays, or phantoms give them a call. I purchased the following:
1969 fastback
raised letter slick
1970 shifter for my orange krate
I just thought I would try to help everyone, I know it is nearly impossible to find parts for this stuff, oh yeah I called the @ 815-899-3100, just wanted to help you guys get parts
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