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Subject: Grips...
Entered on: Dec 11, 1998 14:58
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Does anybody have any NOS Oakley .5 or O'wing grips they'd like to swap or sell?




Subject: boring, relative post
Entered on: Dec 11, 1998 18:50
Entered by: ScottArthurTowne (skipton51@aol)

Message:
I have some purple O-wings. I also have IRC tires (w/Diamond Back logos)NOS front/rear sets in red or yellow. Torker mini f/f Euro BB NOS chrome. One sheet of Race Inc. frame stickers, previously $100, now free to first person who sends me a SASE. How's this for an exciting post? keepin it real in the 9-8




Subject: MFR'S
Entered on: Dec 11, 1998 21:56
Entered by: Greg ()

Message:
KO'D, member Kasaka? The first titanium F/F.....they all broke. What about Boss.




Subject: Purple?
Entered on: Dec 11, 1998 22:14
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Thanks Towne...but I'll pass on the Purple wings. How about black, blue or red? I'm looking for a cool period grip to put on the Skyway T/A that's almost finished...something from around '84 or '85ish?




Subject: mfgrs
Entered on: Dec 12, 1998 01:16
Entered by: Doug L. (karavan557@aol.com)

Message:
2 more for the list: Astron and MT.




Subject: More in the mix............
Entered on: Dec 12, 1998 05:13
Entered by: darren (dcbmx1@aol.com)

Message:
A&A, AMF, Blacklite, Cheetah, Cycle Pro,Dan Gurney, Delta, Free Spirit, Hank and Frank Force, Kenny Roberts, LRV, Mark I, Matthews, Phase II, Privateer, ProCraft, R & R, Suzuki, Tahoe, Takara, TW, Two Wheelers (Stroker), Wheels + Things (WT Racer), White Bear, White Lightning, Whitney Marine.




Subject: Companys
Entered on: Dec 12, 1998 17:38
Entered by: DAN (bmxca43@hotmail.com)

Message:
On the company subject I found a couple sticker sets of companys I didn't recognize. The first is CC Racing I have no info on this company other than the stickers are chrome with black lettering, any ideas? The next I have a little more on. Samco Racing/Engineering is the name of company. They were based out of Hayward, ca. I assume they made frames and forks or maybe they just made a bunch of differant stickers I must have 7 or 8 from small to large. The symbol of the company is real close to the Haro symbol. Any info would be great....you out there Darren!?DAN




Subject: monoshock
Entered on: Dec 12, 1998 19:54
Entered by: Ben J. ()

Message:
Which monoshock frames used square tubing? What is the name of the bike the Skyway riders used before the T/A with the twin down tubes? Anybody got a T-6/MXA from Plus-10 Products? How about a Whitney Marine Super Racer hard tail? I just talked to a guy in MN with a square tubed monoshock his dad bought in CA back in the day, got me to thinking.




Subject: MFGRS
Entered on: Dec 12, 1998 21:50
Entered by: Greg ()

Message:
I think Ashtabula made a frame in the mid-late 70's too. As I recall the thing had gussets all over the place.




Subject: Hey HEY Hey
Entered on: Dec 13, 1998 00:34
Entered by: Paul (retrobmx@hotmail.com)

Message:
I finally got a couple of updates on my web page for Mitch, Terry, and Greg. Greg came thru with what I call the "Monster List" of all his inventory. You have got to check this out. Also in the "Got to check this out" dept., see a young K O'D in action! He is actually out in front in one pic! Also, some nice pics of his projects. This is what I am after from the rest of you. E-mail me jpg or gif files. I am getting a scanner soon, so if you'd like you can mail me photos, and I will return them after scanning. E-mail me for my new snail-mail address. Again, the url is www.spacestar.net/users/pdsmith Thanks everybody! Paul




Subject: wow!
Entered on: Dec 13, 1998 02:00
Entered by: RIC (lakesurfer@milwpc.com)

Message:
JUST FOUND THIS SITE ITS KILLER! I DECIDED TO STAT RACING AGAIN ITS BEEN ONLY 16YRS. I TO AM FROM WI. THANKS FOR ALL THE MEMORIES GUYS. I MEAN ALL THE NAMES FROM THE PAST. WOW! I'LL HAVE TO GO ABCK TO MOM'S AND DIG OUT ALL MY OLD BMXA'S STORED W/ MY GT PRO CIRCA 82 IVE GOT JUNE 76 TO LATE 83 I HAVE TO PICK UP A CRUISER. TORKER OR SE ANY KNOW WHERE TO LOOK IN WI. OR ILL.? I RACED THAT RONDO RACE TO. ANYONE RACE THE CAN-AM CHALLENGE AT MILW. MECA ? OR THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AT STATE FAIR PARK IN 81. I BELIVE I RACED THE 1ST EVER RACE IN WI IN ABOUT 77 IN MUKWONAGO ANYBODY ELSE? I'LL BE SEEING SOME OF YOU IN ELKORN.. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES. BY THE WAY I HAVE AUTOGRAPHS FROM MANY PRO'S I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THE NAMES, KEVIN MCNEIL AND HARRY LEARY FOR SURE. ANYONE INTRESTED IN TALKING BMX OR SURFING E-MAIL TO lakesurfer@milwpc.com THANKS SINCERLY RIC LISKOWITZ




Subject: Current Race Stuff For Sale
Entered on: Dec 13, 1998 18:45
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Bear with me vintage dudes as I try to pawn off my current 20" race bike. I'm concentrating fully on Cruiser in '99. I have for sale: Profile 180mm cranks, like new with black XS Pedals. Wheels: Shimano DX Cassette hubs laced into Chrome Araya Super 7X rims. Schwinn ENF (Pro-Modified, the year before they called it a Pro-Modified) Aluminum frame and fork set with aheadset, stem, and seatpost. Frame, stem and seat post are custome painted with chromalusion paint. (Changes colors in the light...) Jeff Gordon had his car painted with this stuff at The Winston last year for you NASCAR fans. Black Slam Bars (about 5 days old). If you're looking for current race parts, email me and we can talk price. Thank ya! Jason L




Subject: A shout out...
Entered on: Dec 13, 1998 19:29
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Hey...just wanted to give a shout out to Todd Ehle. He and I made a swap and I aquired an excellent condition JMC Shadow frame and fork. The only flaw is that the built in seat post clamp has been cut off...but in such a way that none of the seat tube is missing. (Of course he told me this before sending) I had the frame exactly one day after we made the deal. Thanks Todd! Jason L




Subject: JMC 24"
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 00:23
Entered by: BRENT (brent@rideandglide.com)

Message:
Nice JMC cruiser The number 84C93 is stamped into the rear dropout. Does this mean it was made in 1984 september (9th month) 3rd day? If you know for sure what these numbers mean please e-mail me and let me know. The bike is still in awesome shape! Chrome with all the cool old school parts. DK stem, GT bars, araya rims, suzue hubs, and so on...... E-mail me if you would like to make an offer. You are all invited to check out my web-site, let me know what you think. http://www.rideandglide.com Keep the positive vibe alive! Later, Brent




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 03:12
Entered by: Scott (sbender@btigate.com)

Message:
Selling from my stash pink Hollywood orig. , JMC frame, Trickstar mint , ESP f/f , Titan mini plus many parts reasonable, Hutch pedals, Race Inc. kit in orig. box,.Want Ryno 3 ,GJS,Rumblefish, must be mint, don't worry I have plenty to barter with. Also I want a Slingshot like everyone else.




Subject: before the T/A
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 10:52
Entered by: Scott (boyboy) (sraynes@qntm.com)

Message:
Ben - The frames that Skyway used before the T/A came out was the Hustler produced by Ralph's. It had aspects of several different frames, but the gussets looked like your Laguna's. The early Skyway ads show it, but it's kinda shaded.




Subject: 20 for life
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 12:05
Entered by: scott (skipton51@aol.com)

Message:
I can't believe that this same frame came up twice within just a few posts: Darren listed TW in his company additions, and the guy who wanted to know about the Skyway team frame I assume was referring to Denny Davidow, because he was the only one who rode a twin down-tube frame--a TW. TW frames never went into production, but in 1980 I wanted one more than anything in the world. There were only a few prototypes (built by DG) and they all broke. Davidow rode one, as did Pete Loncarevich and a friend of mine, Chris Newman, somehow acquired one. According to Newman, they used mild steel for the head tube, but I don't think that was the problem. If anyone knows any more about this company, please let me know. And Jason, keep the 20 inch, it's so much more fun to jump and cruise around on, even if you only race your 24. Does anyone have o.g. Mongoose stickers? I especially want the "BMX" head tube and the "motomag" top tube stickers. I know these were hard to get in 1979, but what about now? and one more thing, mountain bikes are for wussies (just wanted to add a little adolescent banter).




Subject: flogging a dead frame
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 12:24
Entered by: towne ()

Message:
Samco was affiliated with Boss (or actually was Boss, maybe), I believe? Any Norcal guys want to back me up on this one? That Astabula frame was crazy, it did indeed have gussets at every possible joint and must have weighed 10 pounds. Does anyone remember another crazy frame, I can't recall the name, but there was a test of it in Minicycle/BMX Action in 1976, it had a curved downtube and was really, really ugly. It seemed like the company made another frame as well, that was more normal looking. Anyone?




Subject: solo rims and hubs
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 14:57
Entered by: Scott (boyboy) (sraynes@qntm.com)

Message:
Guys. I've gone through my wheels and rims and hubs. I'm sitting on quite a few singles. If anyone has a decent stock of single rims and/or hubs, and is interested in matching some up, let me know. I'll send you a list. Not everything I have is a keeper, either. So I can trade off one single for another. Especially looking for a pair or two of gold hubs, and black hubs.




Subject: Big Boy, Small Bike
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 16:12
Entered by: Josh (jpowell1@uiuc.edu)

Message:
I met up with a guy and I'm considering racing a few times this winter. The question is...the only "race" bike I have is that Pro Racer that I built. Hutch is swell, they're great...but will this thing hold my weight? I'm like 170 and this thing measures sorta like a big expert with a ~19.5" top tube. Fast as hell, but I don't want to like snap this thing in half. Of course, I don't want to drag the dead weight of a Dirtbike and Pitchfork around the track either. *grin* It's a Hutch fork and bars, too. And it had an old plastic Kashimax Aero seat on it. Are those things like "cool" in any way? FInally, the cages it had on it were 1/2" for 1 pc. and said "SCM" on the wrench flat on the spindles. Is this a translation of "crappy beartrap knockoff" or does it mean legitimate old parts? Finally, racing may be fun as hell, but grinding every piece of concrete you can find at the school where you had to fork over in excess of ten grand for two years of hell...when you can SEE the concrete dust and hear the destruction, it makes it all worthwhile. *sigh*




Subject: THANKS !!! Keep them coming !!!
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 18:18
Entered by: Kevin O' (kevin.odonnell@zdg.com)

Message:
Hello sports fans. I must say that I've been a bit overwhelmed by the outstanding response that I've gotten by posting my manufacturers list. You guys flat out Rock !!! Keep them coming, as soon as I have our corporate web-site is up I will start to work on compiling information on these manufacturers ... all of you with old BMX mags and scanners would do me a big service if you could help with this project. However, please don't jump the gun at this point. I'll keep everybody appraised as to the future of this planned project. Thanks again ! KO'D




Subject: JU6 and a Yamaha Bike
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 20:19
Entered by: Ben (ben.joy@infocus .com)

Message:
I had one of the ten original JU6 bikes back in 1978. Good call Scott on the no gusseta nd Jeff Utterback being number 6. He left and started GJS (George, Jeff and Scotty) with his dad soon after the JU6 came out. Then they changed it to the PK Ripper (For Perry Kramer). Any leads on a Yamaha Motobike would be appreacited as it was my first bmxer!




Subject: buying
Entered on: Dec 14, 1998 20:52
Entered by: Devin ()

Message:
I'm looking for a bike for Christmas. I was wandering if you sell bikes. If you do please contact me at {1-520-692-8313}. I live in Kingman,Az,86401. I am willing to pay $250 for a Menice or a Fuzz. Please contact me.




Subject: Cool Site
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 01:27
Entered by: Ben (ben.joy@infocus.com)

Message:
Well I just spent hours (Son went to sleep) reading most of these posts. How cool. It's seems just lately I've pulled up to a stop light and glanced over and see some old BMX bike from the late 70's and a 13 year old. I knew there had to be a bunch of old DG's, Redlines and old Suzuki's sitting in someone attic. It made me pull out old photo's of my BMX heyday. Do you guys have a place to post phot's? Most are really dated, but funny. I have an autographed SE (Stu, Jeff, Perry) Photo, a cool Jeff Bottema Cross up from a phot he sent me in 1977 (Early Yellow DG1 with the DG logo cut out - Production models had stickers in the DG), A phot of Darrel Young and I Jumping together, A photo of John Crew (Patterson racing)whipping me in a race, and my fav a front phot of me and my Yamaha Motobike in the air (aka Evil Kneivel!) Cool site - Ben




Subject: 4130--Everyone's Favorite Number
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 09:58
Entered by: Josh (jpowell1@uiuc.edu)

Message:
You know, I've always wondered about the answer to this question, but never known it...they *do* heat treat 4130 frames before they send them out, right? I mean, the advantage of chromoly steel is that you can heat treat it and make it super strong, something that's a lot harder to do with mild (non-alloy) steel. But if you don't heat-treat it, it really isn't much stronger. *shrug* Just curious if anyone knows if people do/did heat treat the frames after welding.




Subject: First time here
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 12:46
Entered by: Shawn (wheelsmn@hotmail.com)

Message:
WoW! This site is incredible. I've been reading through the archives and I am blown away at all the info and the accuracy of it all. I have been racing in Minnesota since 1978, opened a BMX shop in in '83 (closed in '86) and have since been working in the bicycle industry. My former partner showed up a while back with a truck full of NOS from the old store. Included were tons of old pad sets (some factory), plates, AME grips, pedals, some uniforms boxes of really cool stuff I had forgot about. Most of this stuff is from the early to mid '80's. I am interested in trading for late '70s parts and such. I will post a list of things I am willing to trade in the near future. I do know that I have a new profile 20" chr fork (stickers a little scratched) a Bottema fork, a standing gear fork and 2 sets of Diamond Back turbo lite mini crank sets in the box (1 w/bb). Anyway, I'm looking for a G-boy frame, a redline fork (w/die cut tabs) in white, a Torker Eddie King replica frame and fork in chrome, an ashtubula stamped stem and cranks (black), hunt wild grips (w/long oval lines). Also interested in new in the box Yamaha moto. In response to the rider looking for an ID on the frame with the curved top tube and down tube wrapped around the bb, it may be a Vista clodhopper from 1978. It was also marketed under another brand, but I can't remember off hand what the name was. I may be able to help with info on late 70's to early 80'S equipment and personalities. I'll be checking the board as often as possile. Shawn Sheely




Subject: Rondo, Dave Christianson, and a few brain cells left
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 14:07
Entered by: Shawn (Wheelsmn@hotmail.com)

Message:
OK, I drank more Rondo and collected more Rondo trophies than I care to admit. Rondo was pretty much the same as that new drink Citra. The Rondo Classic definitely lived up to it's name. For the first time in Minnesota we had big name pros like Stu, Kevin McNeal, Scott Clark, Bobby Woods, Anthony Sewell, David Clinton, ... Anyway, they used to use VHT to make the floor sticky - VHT is used by drag racers to make their tires stick - in later races they went to Coke syrup as it cost about a third of what the VHT did. You could stick so well on the syrup that I often passed on the inside of the teardrop, with knees knicking the cones. The wood jumps were a different story. Your best bet there was to bunny hop them altogether and land on the backside. Dave Christianson was one of the best racers to come out of the Midwest, and definitely the first to attain national attention. He started out on the B.J.'s bike shop team with support from Cooks Bros. He moved to the Minnesota based Tremco team with support from Robinson before the '79 world championships and went on to battle the '80 national season with Don Atherton in the 16 and over expert. I was told by Daves teammate that they were both offered a full ride with Mongoose after that season, but Tremco team owner and Minnesota BMX monopolist Jack Dohertey fielded the offer and turned Skip Hess down, thus eliminating any chance Dave would have to make his move to the big show. Dave rode for Jack's new Rondo team, later turning it into the Tahoe team with Jack's flailing attempt to become a frame manufacture. As I understand it, Dave had some serious knee problems that ended his career altogether. The last time I raced him he sheared off all of his chainwheel bolts on the start gate, a testimony to his powerful riding style. Dave was looked up to by many a new rider in the late '70s, including myself.




Subject: Ben, Shawn & Josh
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 16:01
Entered by: Kevin O' (kevin.odonnell@zdg.com)

Message:
Ben ... sign up for Paul's Retro BMX page and post some of your pics at www.spacestar.net/users/pdsmith >>>>>>>>> Shawn, Welcome fellow midwesterner ... sounds like we should expect some outstanding stories from you. I look forward to reading more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh, it is my understanding that cro-moly is superior to mild steel in every way that pertains to strengh in its virgin state or heat treated. However, my race car experience teaches me that a far superior weld will result from a heat controlled environment in which you pre-heat the joint before the joining process occurs. Many homebuilt open wheel cars have literally come apart at the seams because the fabricators who built them went through the welding process without pre-heating the joint. However, the guage of tubing thickness is something like 2 times what you normally find on a front triangle and sometimes even thicker. I know a guy racing a midget car this year whose main frame rails were .105 wall thickness. Compare that to the .049 on the front of a S&M Challenger and you can see that the process is a bit more involved, I.E., more intense heat to penetrate the thicker steel. It's because Cro-mo is so strong that you can use such thin walled tubes on a bike, thus cutting the weight significantly over mild steel. At least, that is my understanding of it. KO'D




Subject: Dave Christiansen
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 16:24
Entered by: Jim ()

Message:
The name of Dave Christiansen definently rings some bells.He was in my motos at an indoor race I believe in St Loius in either 77 or 78 as a 14/15 novice.He had quicker times than the experts.I could hang in the straights but he really knew how to pull out of the corners.Some years went by and I again had a chance to race him as an A pro in 82 at a ABA summer tour race.I beat him 2 motos but what I remember most was getting run off the track by Clarence Perry,comming back on going into corner watching Dave take his foot while on the outside and hook the inside rider's rear wheel pulling the bike out from him! I don't know if that was what all AA pros did then but I don't think so.I raced alot of pro trophies and never saw that! I guess you could say he was very talented! Jim




Subject: TW BIKES
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 17:00
Entered by: Shawn (Wheelsmn@hotmail.com)

Message:
TW racing was based out of Orange Co., I was briefly picked up by the team as a factory rider, but they could never deliver a frame. They lent me a standard size frame at an Orange co. race and that was the last I ever heard of them. Pete Longcarrotstick was spotted riding one with a weed whip motor attached to it at a wednesday night Orange race. You were right, last I remember it was the mild steel head tube that was causing all the problems. I'm sure it was getting too hot with the double down tubes and all. If I remember right the guys who were starting the companie were on a shoe string budget and just couldn't get the thing going after the frames started breaking. Denny Davidow, that guy could spin!




Subject: ROOST Recruiting!
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 18:34
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Hey gang...just a ROOST update and an opportunity for the new people to discover what we're all about. ROOST stands for "Revival of Old School Technology" We are a group that is getting together the weekend of March 6th and 7th in Elkhorn WI at Walworth County Indoor BMX, and then having a small swap meet at a motel. There are races both Saturday and Sunday at Walworth. If you are new to Menotomy, or would just like to become a member of the current mailing list and get involved with the group, please email me and you will be included in any future mailings. Right now the mailings center around organizing the get together and the development of a logo for stickers and shirts and such, but all are welcome. We'd like to get as many people as possible to attend the get together as I'm sure we'd all like to put a face to the names of the people who are posting all of the insightful and entertaining information. If you can't attend, and would still like to be part of the group, that's fine too. You can find out more about the group by visiting the Retro BMX website at http://www.spacestar.net/users/pdsmith/roostpage.htm Thanks. Jason L




Subject: Misc.
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 22:44
Entered by: Bill (wds@bitstream.net)

Message:
Hey Shawn, nice to see a familiar name here - another Minnesotan! I raced you once @ Buck Hill this year, & you kicked my ass!;)




Subject: Stuff
Entered on: Dec 15, 1998 23:31
Entered by: Ben (ben.joy@infocus.com)

Message:
I got so jazzed by this site, Ic alled an old friend who owns many local shops (Portland, Oregon). He has most every BMX Action ever printed, an original Suzuki in plastic with warranty card and an attic of old bmx stuff (Stickers, pedals, grips, etc from 1976 on.) I'm going to meet with him an inventory his gems. His shop was one of the top DG, Redline, Torker, SE, Suzuki, JMC and Mongoose shop in the country. They're still one of th e top Trek dealers nationaly. He even has a prottype pair of Uni Grahite bars! They cost $200 to make back in the early 80's! I'll post as I get data.




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 09:03
Entered by: JAY ()

Message:
I WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT BMX RACING PLEASE HELP ME




Subject: Steel Good, Huffy Bad
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 10:59
Entered by: Josh (jpowell1@uiuc.edu)

Message:
Cromo IS better all around. It's a little better than I remembered. The BIG jump comes when you heat treat it. After you get a bike frame done and then go back and treat it right, you can get like a...at least fifty percent increase in yield strength. It's not as stretchy-giving as it was, but stronger than hell. i don't know if anyone bothers (now or then) to heat treat the whole frame. But yeah...a billion times the strength with less material. Yay 4130! There's a pair of gold Skyway "graphite" pedals on Ebay. What parts of the pedal are/were made from graphite? I wish this were a college course for credit...BMX101 "History Of the 20-inch Revolution". My bad on that last message.




Subject: GRAPHITE FIGHT
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 12:21
Entered by: SKIPP (SKIPTON51@AOL)

Message:
Shawn, thanks for the insight into TW. Did you ride for any other companies before or after that? I'm sure we'd all like to hear about your old school SoCal scene. As for the graphite Skyway pedals, the actual body of the pedal is a graphite/nylon composite. The cage is aluminum and the shaft is chromoly. There are no bearings in the Skyway pedals, but the graphite provides enough lubrication to keep them spinning freely. I used those pedals in '81 and never really had any problems with them, but I know that alot of them broke. And speaking of graphite, does anyone have (or have a line on)some Graphite Tuff Wheels? The ones with the gold flanges and preferably the Campy hardware? Nothing like a picky bastard asking for the impossible, huh?




Subject: Speaking of impossible requests...
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 15:43
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
I may have an even more impossible request than Towne's....but here goes, I really need an Oval Traker fork. Remember them? Light, cool looking, easily breakable? I need one intact. I'm setting up a bike to closely resemble, if not be totally exact to my first real race bike in '81. It consisted of a Supergoose frame, Traker oval fork, Black bullseye hubs, black z-rims with blue spokes and nipples, black Uni seat, black alloy Race Inc. bars, Blue Oakley 3 grips, Blue Maxi-cross cranks, and I think blue Suntour pedals that looked a lot like KKT Lightnings, but I can't remember what they were called. I also don't remember what kind of stem I had on that bike...I'm thinking though. Can anyone help with this stuff? Jason L




Subject: bmx
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 16:03
Entered by: Fearon ()

Message:
About Bmx




Subject: Feature collectables
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 21:23
Entered by: Fearon (anitas@yknet.yk.ca)

Message:
I'm 20 yrs. old and more into riding than collecting, but part of being a good collector is realizing what's going to become a collectable and then buy while still available. I'm intrested in hearing what modern bikes you guys think are destined to become collectables. Might I suggest the '95 Haro monocoque, the '97 DK General Lee or the Evel Knievel from Hoffman.




Subject: Future Collectables
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 21:57
Entered by: bill (wds@bitstream.net)

Message:
That's a subject I've been thinking about for a while as well. While I agree w/ the General & the Evil(maybe) personally I disagree w/ the Haro Monoque. I don't see any of the big corp's bikes still holding kids' desires years down the road. Today, Gt, Haro, Redline & Mongoose are all "big", don't even get me started on the mtn bike companies. Another thing, is many of the sought after bikes here are easily identifiable. Ex - I'd wager any of us could easily spot a Hutch Trickstar w/ no stickers from a distance (or a quick drive-by at night). In this case, I feel the new SE Quad 24" definitely has a place in my collection (hopefully someday). Also, what's good today? Crap doesn't stand the test of time, in this case we might see S&M's Sabbath series, select Standards, & maybe some Terrible One's being hunted down, down the line. In any sense, what're you gonna do? Buy all these bikes & sit on them? No, you have to ride them. I have a General Lee, but by the time it could possibly be "collectable", it'll need paint & stickers. Well, that's my ramble on the subject.




Subject: nostalgia
Entered on: Dec 16, 1998 22:44
Entered by: Kathy (Kathy.Bainbridge@gte.net)

Message:
On my last trip back home to Meridian, MS., i decided to go visit the old bike shop to see if old man norris had any goodies hidden away behind the dusty shelves.(no, he wasnt a pervert.)As I rounded the corner i could see the weather beaten sign hanging by a chain on only one end. Well, i thought to my self, he never was one for handywork. I remembered how Mr. Norris had been color blind. if you asked him for a white pair of mushrooms, he would bring out every color one by one. after several failed attempts to get the right color, he would get frusted and just bring out the whole box...As i drew closer to the door i realized that there was no longer a box of different colored grips behind the counter, no bikes hanging from the ceiling, no old man with glasses behind the counter. There was only an empty room with a few discolored posters of old school BMXers half torn off the walls. Man, where have the days gone ?




Subject: Da new guys....
Entered on: Dec 17, 1998 01:39
Entered by: Paul (retrobmx@hotmail.com)

Message:
I just wanted to say welcome to the new guys showing up on this site recently. Specifically, Ben Joy, I got an e-mail from you but for some reason, my replies aren't getting thru to you. So, I'll tell you here, I'd like to make you a homepage on my website, and include those rad photos you spoke of in your posting. To get an idea of what I do, check out the page I just made for another new guy, Shawn Sheely. His page is at: www.spacestar.net/users/pdsmith/shawn.htm And now with that segue, I want to comment on Shawn. This is going to be embarrassing for both of us, but the fact is that Shawn was my local racing hero, and I couldn't be more tickled that Shawn has found us online than if Stu, McNeal, and the Patterson Bros. all were sitting in my living room. See, I know there are a lot of you guys who raced Pro, but I was always far below that level, looking up, and Shawn was the fastest guy around in Minnesota. So, thanks Shawn, for being cool back in the day, and I look forward to your contributions to our old school discussions. Now, everybody check out Shawn's page on my site. We need pics Shawn! Ride on, Paul




Subject: Future collectibles
Entered on: Dec 17, 1998 06:52
Entered by: Scott (sbender@btigate.com)

Message:
I had to respond on this subject. I don't think any General Lee or Standard will ever be highly sought after. A Evel might be if you have sequence #'s 50 or less. The only bikes that will be collectible will be short lived companys, that made a big impact and then died. Not high production models. If you want to start collecting items try and track down some King Liberty framesets, stems and sprockets, or I'd say even Basic Bikes products since it is doubtful they will ever resurface. Also Rumblefish framesets from 93 are a sure bet with less than a 100 made in my estimates. Also the KB titaniums , and Bonzai Aluminum frames. Another good bet would be L&S products.These items will be the next phase in collecting. This is my view nobody knows anything for sure.




Subject: oldbmxdc
Entered on: Dec 17, 1998 18:27
Entered by: Kevin O' (kevin.odonnell@zdg.com)

Message:
Just wanted everyone to know that a deal with David C. (oldbmxdc) has gone flawlessly. Not only that, but he really gave me a nice deal. >>> as far as collecting new stuff. I guess the frame that I'd like to have sometime down the road is a Leary Dirtwerx ... but not because I perceive it to be something that will become valuable, but because it is kind of a unique frame with it's 3" headtube, square stays and cro-moly construction at a time when Aluminum race frames were the vogue and I've always had a soft spot for Leary. I should add that I don't think that any current bikes will make much of a dent in the collectible market. You have to remember, a lot of the bikes that people want here were made during a time that was truly defining the sport ... they were the first in their genre and that's what makes them both unique and interesting. Until something new comes along in cycling ( a new sport ... maybe water bikes or something ) that causes another revolution as Mountain bikes did and BMX bikes and Sting Rays did before them. The true collector would have a Moto-Bike, a GJS and some of the other early unique stuff like FMF or Webco. The dabblers like me snag what's left that's available and interesting to us personally. But they are all from the early ... and thus defining ... days of the sport. KO'D




Subject: Future Collectibles
Entered on: Dec 17, 1998 21:11
Entered by: Mark (mud34@prodigy.net)

Message:
As we all get older we will try and hang on to are youth,I dont think you collect something in the hopes it will make you rich someday, you do it for the Love. Because it is a part of you and your memories. Rather it's a bike you had in 1978 or the one you wish you had in"78". So what's Crown Jewel is probably someone else's JUNK.




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 17, 1998 21:15
Entered by: Mark ()

Message:
YOUR




Subject: Modern collectibles
Entered on: Dec 17, 1998 21:25
Entered by: darren (dcbmx1@aol.com)

Message:
Dan, I have no information on CC or Samco companies, yet will let you know if any comes up. Saw a super clean Nomura frame at a local race, yet the rider's grandfather did not want to part with it. Not trying to cause any controversy, yet I agree more with Kevin as far as modern collectibles are concerned. SE Quads, FMFs, Torkers, R+Rs, Redline Squarebacks are examples of frames with revolutionary designs. L+S products are basically Boss and Boss are like Pattersons. Bonzai frames were made for at least a year and I talked to pro Terry Tenette - who broke many of them. Nothing special in the frame design. Grinder frames (from SoCal) were a small company and the alloy forks' steering columns were breaking left and right and kids were getting hurt. The breakage hurts a company's reputation for sure and does not make it more worthwhile to collect. The Rumblefish was a cool design and it got copied quickly by Haro and Motiv. Another frame with a cool design is Jad. Since I race currently on modern bikes and have stuff over 20 years old, it is a hobby, and hopefully, speculation won't make it harder to find things.




Subject: Response to Future Collectables
Entered on: Dec 18, 1998 00:22
Entered by: Ben (ben.joy@infocus.com)

Message:
Well said! I came upon this page as I searched for a Yamaha Motobike. And as I read through the years of posts, it brought back memories, some funny, some embarrasing, but all excellent! I loved racing BMX. I did it from 1976 until my junior year in college (1983). As I ride around on airplanes, wearing ties and acting professional, there has always been a part of me that just wanted to jump in my 1971 Datsun 510, turn up Queen or the Scorpions, and head out to the track and clear the doubles. Or maybe head downtown on my Mongoose with Tuff's (Street bike, not race bike) around 10 pm with my buddies where we would certainly find a new set of stairs to jump off of or an empty parking structure to bonzai down. Damn it was fun! I hope my Son's find a hobby that rocks like BMX did for me.




Subject: BONZAI BEN
Entered on: Dec 18, 1998 17:11
Entered by: SCIP (SKIPTON51@AOL.COM)

Message:
I just want to say that Ben in the above post is rad. I e-mailed him about a Suzuki and not only did he respond quickly, he also included a bunch of cool information about the golden years of NW BMX. Does anyone have the Bicycle Motocross Action issue with the Suzuki Works BMX Racer test (mid-77)? I would like very much to have Xerox copies and would be willing to pay or trade for them. E-mailio Gilmore me.




Subject: bonzai
Entered on: Dec 18, 1998 17:34
Entered by: skiptownsend (skipton51@aol.com)

Message:
I thought I entered a message about how rad Ben is, but maybe I forgot to enter it. Anyway, he sent me all these good e-mails about my Suzuki inquiries. Does anyone have the Bicycle Motocross Action issue from mid 77 with the Suzuki Works BMX test in it? If so, I would be willing to pay for copies of said article. I'm all excited about Suzukis again, as Ben has renewed my faith. Is anyone going to the NBL Christmas national in Columbus, Ohio? I'll be throwin' down in the 30-34 cruiser shuffle aboard my Gary Littlejohn 26 (actually a current DK 24).




Subject: I is stoopid.
Entered on: Dec 18, 1998 17:42
Entered by: stuptowne ()

Message:
Sorry about the double entry. I did want to add my two cents on the once and future collectable issue, however. Although the guys above covered it well already, I must say, with the single exception of the Hoffman Evel Knievel series, that no frame made in Taiwan will ever be worth anything other than it's rideablility factor. Of course, I'm a hypocrite, because the Suzuki I seek was produced by a Japanese Motorcycle company trying to jump on the fledgling BMX band wagon. See message subject for explanation.




Subject: Christmas National
Entered on: Dec 18, 1998 19:52
Entered by: Jim (JimAnitaZachPorter@ worldnet.att.com)

Message:
To anybody coming to Columbus for Christmas national.I 'll be checking the track out saturday evening and riding it on sunday,so if you want the track layout e mail me and I'll write back with it.Also anybody living in surrounding states we have one of our state series races next weds night,great practice for the national.




Subject: 80's model frames
Entered on: Dec 18, 1998 21:08
Entered by: Jay ()

Message:
Hay, does any one know any thing about General frames around the mid 80's was they related to Redline? I got one frame out of the trash once and a friend of mine traded a pocket knife for one. One more thing Was they any good?




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 18, 1998 23:57
Entered by: Brian L. (luttrell@owensboro.org)

Message:
Wanted to Buy: JMC or GJS frame or bike Also, does anyone know any history on these companies?




Subject: JMC and GJS
Entered on: Dec 19, 1998 00:37
Entered by: Ben ()

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If my memory serves me: JMC was Jim Melton Cycleery. GJS was for George, Jeff and Scotty (The Utterbacks - Jeff raced for Webco, FMF and SER prior to starting his own company with his father who was a welder). JMC was one of thos e shops like R&R (Redlands and Riverside Schwinn) and Peddlepower (later to known as Powerlite and the shop ended up being owned by Jeff Bottema) that had a killer shop team prior to going into the frame/fork business.




Subject: Schwinn
Entered on: Dec 19, 1998 02:19
Entered by: Chris (NPPRONECK@aol.com)

Message:
I am looking for a 76 Mag Scrambler with the flat forks,to replace the bike that I first raced. Color unimportant, but prefere grey & red. Can one still be found? THANX




Subject: SE RACING
Entered on: Dec 19, 1998 02:34
Entered by: MARK ()

Message:
I was digging around in a local salvage yard the other day and came across F/F set. The rear half was black and the front white, with large decals on frame & fork that said SE RACING. Can anyone give me some insight on set? (stickers were white)




Subject: Scott Bender deals on the level..
Entered on: Dec 19, 1998 05:01
Entered by: Allen (asharar@mindspring.com)

Message:
Hola, I just wanted to let anyone interested in purchasing or trading with Scott Bender that he is fair and honest. I just purchased a VDC Gorilla from him and the bike is in excellent condition. Thanks again Scott. Allen




Subject: KevinO---Leary
Entered on: Dec 19, 1998 13:26
Entered by: Dave (oldbmxdc@aol.com)

Message:
Thanks Kevin. Enjoy the tires. As far as Harry Leary, I also like his bikes. It's too bad not enough people realize the attention to detail he puts into his bikes like true 100% cromo. I rode his bike at a local national and the low front end is nice. It gives more options as to height. Leary himself is a cool guy also. I gave him and Greg Hill a ride to the airport after a national. While driving I joked about buying a JMC jersey of his that he had on display at a trade show. 1 month later a small box arrived from Dirtwerx and when I opened it my mouth fell open. Inside were 2 JMC jerseys of his. Both new, both with "Harry" on the back and even some co-sponsor patches on them. One is the old all red with white sleeves and the other is the newer red/white/blue. I even have the letter he sent with them thanking him for a ride to the airport. These items to me as far as my collection are right at the top. It's strange to meet the people you looked up to for a long time. They have been in the industry so long that some of them don't want to talk bmx since they deal with it every day.I hope Leary's company takes off. I'd hate to see him in a "big" mx company. It seems to change these legendary pro's views. On a sell/trade note--I have dealt with KevinO,JamesG,DougL,DanG, and MitchW and all dealings have been great.Proving that dealing via computer has been all good for me. Thanks Lastly I have a set of Motomags for trade/sale. Complete just typical dirt and light corrosion.




Subject: Future FREESTYLE Collectable
Entered on: Dec 20, 1998 13:43
Entered by: Ol'School/ notfreestylin.tsx.org (ol_school@hotmail.com)

Message:
I know this thread is dead, but I thought of one I would like to add. The Morales Flatland frame. One, it if from a dead company. Two, as far I recall it is the first flat only designed frame. Three, it is easily distinguished even with out decal. And finally, it is another failed venture of Bob Morales. Go ahead and through this one in to storage. I think it will be a hot property in the next decade. Peace




Subject: Fork info. please...
Entered on: Dec 20, 1998 15:27
Entered by: Todd (ehlewcm@earthlink.net)

Message:
Hi guys, In the late 70's I traded a guy for a set of chrome forks that had no stickers. He told me they were Laguna. The forks were 1" tubing, but bent out at the bottom (like Astabulas). Any ideas? I'd like a set for the bike I'm building... P.S. Thanks to Jason L. in Milwaukee and Scott (Boy boy) for all the great help!!!




Subject: Forks-Todd
Entered on: Dec 20, 1998 19:09
Entered by: Dave (oldbmcdc@aol.com)

Message:
The forks sound like Tange TX500. 1" tubing bent forward at the bottom, forged dropouts about 1/4" thick. If they have a crown-inother words where the fork tubes meet the steer tube they have a sleeve and no welds can be seen. They may still be laguna fork since Tange-a large Japanese fork maker may have made them for Laguna. I failed to mention a name as thanks for dealing mx parts with. Thanks to Darren Chan for a lot of my rare old mx frames and information. Always a good trade/deal from him.




Subject: Tange TX 500
Entered on: Dec 20, 1998 20:25
Entered by: Todd (ehlewcm@earthlink.net)

Message:
Dave, Thanks for the information. I think you hit it on the head because they did have the crown you mentioned. I specifically remember the lack of a weld at the dropouts! So... Anyone looking to unload a Tange TX 500? If so e-mail me (if anyone does, don't expect to hear back for a couple of weeks).




Subject: LEARY
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 11:32
Entered by: SKIPPER (SKIPTON51@AOLUMINUM)

Message:
How awesome is Harry Leary to hook Dave up with those Jerseys? Better be careful Dave, because I know a certain Shinglehead who might seek you out and cat burglarize you for them. On the subject of jersies, I dug out my first Kuwahara National team jersey last night. I can't believe that it's a large and it still (pretty much) fits over my large+ frame. I will be sporting it at the Christmas classic in Columbus next week. So if anyone is there, I will be easy to find (also look for a Hershey brown cruiser with a MOTOMAG sticker on the downtube). Y'all have pretty much covered the above-mentioned forks, and the crown probably validates the TX-500 call, but Laguna forks had curved legs also, so don't rule that out completely. I looking for a set of Black TuffWheel IIs with the silver aluminum flanges if anyone has them.




Subject: GENERAL LEE
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 11:44
Entered by: SKIPTONN ()

Message:
Going back a bit, when I first read the post regarding the General frame my mental hard drive went back too far and located "Rebel", the Bernard Anderson affliated BMX company from Texas or Arizona that made a brief, primarily ABA oriented appearance in the early 80s. Reading over it again, I realize it was the pocket knife reference that sparked thoughts of the hills and therefore, the General Lee, which had a rebel flag emblazoned upon it. Now I'm really confused, because everyone knows that the General Lee was a Dodge Charger and is a jumping bike made by DK. General was a large bicycle company from New York that had Taiwanese freestyle bikes built in the late 80s, about five minutes too late in the game. RL stands for Red Line or Robert Lewis (Osborn) who rode for Red Line and then General, as did Fred Blood, although he never rode for Red Line, but did ride for SE, and probably rode the two-tone black and white frame mentioned previously, as it was likely a Trick Master. I was stoked that someone referred to SE as SER, as that is how it was originally known. Bitchin.




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 13:47
Entered by: lelsie jarrett ()

Message:
Yes I was wondering the mongoose company is making a bike called bmx d series i was wondering if you get this mesage if you could put some information about this bike on the mongoose web page. thankyou




Subject: Darrell Young
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 18:19
Entered by: jeff (winndle@webtv.net)

Message:
Since this seems to be a "TRADE ONLY" page, I am offering for trade 1 chrome DY JMC frame. I would like to TRADE for 1 RED painted DY JMC frame with original paint only. That is all....SHINGLEHEAD




Subject: good deals?
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 20:22
Entered by: mitch (mswolf28963@aol.com)

Message:
hey all.anybody see the bicyle trader?some guy lee has a cinelli and some schwin`s & a race inc.his prices start at 600 and go to 2,000.maybe he would make a deal on all of them.if someone is willing to pay that kind of money i have a whole collection to sell you.




Subject: old bike shop = old bike stuff!
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 21:36
Entered by: scott (janssens4@fuse.net)

Message:
hey guys, over the weekend i went to a side of town i have not been in a long time. very suprised to see a bike shop still open that i used to go to in the 80's for bmx stuff. i went in and could not belive the old stuff he still had. this shop was big into mongoose and redline. he had kkt peddles, acs z rims laced up (black) old haro plates, haro bubble helmet visers, redline g-neck pad with snaps (white), old dia-comp brakes, 80's freeestyle frame stands, floresent colors lite pads, old gloves, old motomag stickers, old mongoose wrap-around helmet stickes, the redline plate that screwed to fit redline bars, this shop is in the cincinnati area and the phone numbers is 513-771-1355. the name of the shop is bee zee springdale bikes. he had alot but i wouldnt say a ton. if any of you guys have any ?'s email me, i can help. i saw a lot of stuff, more than i can type here. sorry about the spelling and typeing errors, im in a hurry!




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 22:54
Entered by: Brian (luttrellbm@owensboro.org)

Message:
Which 20" bike would be best suited for someone 6' tall, to get back into racing. How many inches should the top tube be? 21"? 22"? Thanks!




Subject: Good deals--mitch?
Entered on: Dec 21, 1998 23:49
Entered by: Dave (oldbmxdc)

Message:
I saw the add for the Cinelli with Campy parts for $1200 or so. People say things they collect are not for sale but, at this guy's prices ALL are for sale.I thought Earl was pricey. Damn I feel either cheep or poor.Dave




Subject: RL Osborne/General
Entered on: Dec 22, 1998 00:03
Entered by: Kathy (kathy.bainbridge@gte.net)

Message:
Jay, I just wanted to add that when the General frames came out in the mid eighties they were definitley big in the freestyle scene. Though personally i have never ridden one, the componentry and the frame design were top-o-the line. Mr. Osborne definitley helped the company by being one of the best flatland riders of his day. I cant remember if they had lower end bikes, but the RL model was prime




Subject: General
Entered on: Dec 22, 1998 11:20
Entered by: Greg (sixpac3x2@aol.com)

Message:
I have a general freestyle F/F. I think it is the Hustler Model. Basically it looks like a rip off of the GT Performer. The frame weighs a ton and the welds are lousy.




Subject: General
Entered on: Dec 22, 1998 12:32
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Yeah Greg...but other than that how do you like it? :-)




Subject: General
Entered on: Dec 22, 1998 17:39
Entered by: Greg (sixpac3x2@aol.com)

Message:
How do I like it? Anyone want it!!!? Anyone???




Subject: what comes around goes around
Entered on: Dec 22, 1998 19:06
Entered by: lonnie (edgrp@uswest.net)

Message:
Anyone up for a cool (a tleast to me.) story, I bought a Yellow RRS 24 inch cruiser back in about '84-'86 from Digger Kalsow (Kuwahara) and raced it up until '88. I traded it to a friend in 89. Ironically I went to his house about 8 months ago and he still had it in his garage, in the same shape I sold it to him, minus the UNI seat so I bought it back for 150 bucks, put new tires on it and took it out to the track for a little practice after 9 years. Well I thought I would share that with you guys.




Subject: DG cruiser
Entered on: Dec 22, 1998 20:01
Entered by: Tom (tcedg@uswest.net)

Message:
Chrome DG Cruiser Frame and fork w/sealed bottom bracket (Late 70's early 80's) aquired in '81 from Jason Wharton! Would like to put it out for possible offers!




Subject: Race Inc for trade
Entered on: Dec 22, 1998 22:06
Entered by: Ben J. (webco@execpc.com)

Message:
Complete Race Inc. aluminum 20" bike in red and blue, quality period parts. The person with the bike wants a pre 1981 Redline Proline frame and fork in chrome with good decals. He is also looking for graphite Tuff Wheels. Did Two Wheelers/Stroker make a monoshock?




Subject: www.spacestar.net/users/pdsmith
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 00:43
Entered by: Paul (retrobmx@hotmail.com)

Message:
I have added 4 new members to my site, including some cool pics. Check it out. And everybody else should sign up too. And if you already signed up, how about sending me some pictures? Happy Holidays, Paul




Subject: General
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 11:27
Entered by: Jay ()

Message:
So, about the general bikes are they worth any money,mine had the letters on it of RL. I saved most the stock Componets off of it but, replaced with mostly odyssey and GT parts.




Subject: GENERALLY SPEAKING...
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 12:00
Entered by: skippur (Skipton51@aol.com)

Message:
I hate to be a negative Ned, but I want to end all this General hooha. General was a bandwagon jumper. It was a large bicycle company that saw freestyle as a way to make a quick buck. All of their products were Taiwanese copies of someone elses existing designs. They hired RL Osborn as a marketing tool. They used him, they used the core BMX industry and they probably lost their asses in the process. To further exemplify General's lameness, they also built scooters (yes, many companies were guilty of this as well) and sunk a bunch of money into the "Meerkat", a rip-off of a rip-off of a dumb idea: F-1 parking lot racing bikes. So bogus. I don't mean to slander anyone, but this is how it went down. On a positive note, the RRS story was awesome! That's the kind of stuff I want to happen to me. I sold so many rad bikes to people around here and I am waiting for them to resurface. In fact, last summer at the local races, a dude came up to me and said "I think I have one of your old bikes" It was indeed. A 1981 brass-plated CW 24, exactly as I had it set up with Ukai rims, an MCS 6 bolt and the standard race stuff of the day. I gave the guy a lower set of bars so he could race it, but he has yet to line up at the gate. Digger Kalsow and Jason Wharton...how weird to read both of those names on the same day. What's the scoop with the DG? 24 or 26? DG made good cruisers.




Subject: General
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 14:35
Entered by: Scott (boyboy) (sraynes@qntm.com)

Message:
I know a few people have thrown in their input on the General company. Just a few quick notes. My brother picked up an RL Osborn Pro when we first started back up in bmx ('88 or '89). He loved the frame. Said it was really comfortable. Unfortunately he had to trade it to pick up an '85 Patterson. General had a few models including the Fred Blood, the RL and the Hustler. They made each frame in a chromoly (Pro) version and a steel base model version. He hopped on a Hustler Pro at a shop and was impressed. He screwed up when he ordered the RL Osborn Pro, but enjoyed it just the same.




Subject: For Trade or Swap(he he he)
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 15:14
Entered by: Jimmy (jimmygeske@hotmail.com)

Message:
I have some blue with yellow center NOS A'me dual grips in the box. I'd like to trade for some yellow Oakleys or older A'me grips. I have other things to trade as well. Can anyone tell me where to find a yellow brake housing? Thanks and Merry Christmas, ho ho ho




Subject: THANKS
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 15:24
Entered by: Shawn (Wheelsmn@hotmail.com)

Message:
Sorry it's taken me awhile to get back, but I just wanted to thank Paul for his very kind words. My good friend Robert Lindstrom (he raced BMX too, known as Rob Butterfield, he is now one of the top track sprinters - velo - in the country - he also publishes Minnesota Cyclesport Magazine). We are both appreciative of how fortunate we have been to have raced BMX and to meet so many cool friends and have so much fun at an early age. Amazingly we still meet people who remember us and are still into bikes. Neither of us made it to the top of the national heap (not for lack of trying) but it's really nice to be remembered in your home state. Thanks Paul. Warning: retro story ahead. To answer Skip's question, I did race for a few different companies. My first full ride was with GT and makes for an interesting story. My parents had sold their struggling business and decided to take my brother and I on a much needed family vacation to the west coast. They pulled us out of school for two months and we headed west. I had been racing on a Torker support team and doing well in the 15 expert since moving up from 15 novice. Prior to the trip I smoked all the local pros (Dave C. included) at the St. Paul Civic Center (on the concrete). I was really riding well, so we decided to hit the NBA national at the Long Beach Coliseum. My whole family was there, including my grandparents from Arizona. Grandpa was sitting in the stands drinking his Budweisers and watching the races. I was doing alright, finishing 2nd and 3rd in my motos against Rod Beckering and Dave M.? (the Wizard plates guy)from Torker. In my open Moto I was battling against the Vince guy riding for Thruster and doing well. Well, Grandpa found himself a drinking buddy, some welder guy from Aneheim or Irvine - I sat with the two of them for awhile and talked BMX. I worked my way to the finals in class and open only to have the gate dropped while I had my feet down and hand up and a crash in the first corner of my class (my life story). After the race I was pretty dejected, the guy sitting with my grandfather told me to give his new partner a call, that they wanted to sponsor me and would give me a bike and uniform to race for them. They even invited me by to check out there brand new shop, but we never made it. When we got back to Minnesota a couple of months later I called them at set up the deal and I was the newest member of the of a factory. Over the next year these guys treated me so right. Oh, the guys names were Gary (the welder) and Richard Long. The company of course, was and is GT. Thanks Gary, and Richard is very much missed.




Subject: Shawn !!!
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 16:37
Entered by: Kevin O' (kevin.odonnell@zdg.com)

Message:
if memory serves those who's last names you have difficulty recalling would be Dave (Marietti) and Vince (Asbury) ... oh, by the way ... that was a great story!!! KO'D




Subject: New vs. Old
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 16:38
Entered by: Fearon ()

Message:
Hey! I just got my NG Dirtbike put together with its' pitchfork, profile 3pc., redneck with some HB patriots and a pair of wienman 48 spoke rims. The thing ways 2 tons and I don't mind a bit! I guess what I'm saying is that while reading through the archive discussions most of you guys seemed to prefer light bikes that were cheap enough to replace when they did bust. I just wanna say that I find a bit of extra beef to be a confidence booster, especially upon re-entery. Not only does it reassure but getting funky on a hefty bike like that every day is going to give your whole body a wicked tone job. Sure, chances are I'll get bored of riding that same frame after a while, thats human nature (or ego?), but when I do I can just trade the frame plus a couple exta bucks for something else current and cool and all the goodies from my last bike will fit right on. Don't think I'm trying to knock any old schoolers out there, I just wanted to argue it's part of my nature (or ego?). PS if it wasn't twenty degrees below zero (celcius) I'd be out riding right now, my brother and I are going to build some snow jumps soon though.




Subject: My Withering Brain
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 17:43
Entered by: SHAWN ()

Message:
Thanks for the help Kevin.




Subject: Name Drop
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 22:23
Entered by: Brian L. (luttrellbm@owensboro.org)

Message:
Here are some old school names to jog your memory: Tony Nurse, Pro. Team Jag, SSP Striker. Kelly McDougal, Team Cook Bros. Tim Judge, MCS Jason Jenson, Torker Kathy Hannah, Torker. Bob Hannah's daughter. (what happened to her? She was hot back then.) Adren Mathna, Schwinn. Vance Justice. Mike Goedde. GT Mike Hibner. Remember any of these?




Subject: Yamaha Motobike
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 23:20
Entered by: Ben (ben.joy@infocus.com)

Message:
I was reading through the old acrhcives and came across a lead for a motobike (Scott/ ABA Museum). I gave him call and low and behold, he has an extra Motobike! However, it's compnents have been traded out long along (My guess is prior to disco...the first time around). Anybody have have a lead on a shop or person with parts (bars, cranks etc.). Also anyone have pictures? I believ the first year had chrome bars, fork clamps, bar clamps, chain guard and rear fender only. I rememebr the adds being so cool. Second only to seeing a Yamaha Mini Enduro ad when I was 10 or a Farah Fawcett poster when I was 14.




Subject: OLD GUY LOOKING FOR CRUISER
Entered on: Dec 23, 1998 23:34
Entered by: Ric (lakesurfer@milwpc.com)

Message:
Guys, please help me if you can. I've been looking for a Torker or SE cruiser but I cant seem to be able to look at one. I know I could mail order, but of course I want to ride it first. I was in L.A last week and I didnt even see any there. I live in WI. but I'll drive to Il. So mid west guys help me out if you can. Thanks, see you at the gate. (if I find a bike) Ric E-MAIL TO lakesurfer@milwpc.com




Subject: Jay's unanswered question
Entered on: Dec 24, 1998 00:35
Entered by: Kathy (Kathy.Bainbridge@gte.net)

Message:
Jay...well, you've read several opinions here, some good and some bad. I have never heard of the bike being in great demand these days, so it is hard to say what it would be worth. If your looking to make some cash off the RL, keep looking...im sure there is someone out there who would love to own it. If your just curious, then i think the value would be whatever you assign to it. i.e. how do YOU like it (?)




Subject: OLD GUYS
Entered on: Dec 24, 1998 09:06
Entered by: Greg ()

Message:
How bout Mike"THE Flyin'Morman"Poulsen, Toby Henderson, Donnie Atherton, Greg Grubbs, and Kathy Hannah truly was and probably still is a MOTO FOX!!




Subject: Terence...
Entered on: Dec 24, 1998 12:02
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Does anyone know how to get in touch with Terence Bishop? I lost his email address, and I'd like to speak to him. Terence...you out there?




Subject: Sturfry
Entered on: Dec 24, 1998 21:25
Entered by: bob (ned14@webtv.net)

Message:
I can't wait until January. I'm getting a Spooky Brown Hornet, a MetaL (Levans) and The New Solid Frames in then. I have a FBM (Fat Bald Men) and a TerribleOne Progression Frameset. I compared my King Liberty Frame to the TerribleOne and find that the King is more to my liking but its so rare that I don't want to ride the king. I also like the new S&M Challenger but I should have all the Framesets in by the end of January-early Feb. to compare. The Standards don't impress me as much. To date the best dirt/jumper I've found is the FBM 21". What do you guys think is best?? I'm also hooking up a 24" Cruiser at the same time - I find the new SE Quad Max 24" cruisers are sweet. They are also coming in January. I'm getting a few in. The candy apple red Quad Frame with o/s SE Landing gear Forks in black would look sweet. Its debatable???? I have a S&M 24" Challenger frameset that I hear handles like a 20"... I don't know to build that up or the SE quad which is the first time SE is producing in 24". I want the dirt Jumper to train on. I just need help in deciding what framesets are the very best and need opinions on this new skool stuff. Oh, I just got in the New Redline XLR8R (Accelerator) Alum. Mono Frame. It was Air Freighted from Taiwan via EVA AIR. They've only made 25 of them so far. The one I have is #22. I'm the only person to have one on the East Coast. I still have a couple Hoffman Evel Knievels left in all white. I Have some more KHE Premium Laggers on order and the KHE pedals that look like the old MKS Graphite-X. In a few more weeks there will hardly be any more KHE stuff left in America unless you order from Germany which is costly. Alot of the newer stuff that is not made anymore is becoming vintage quick. It's even getting difficult to get Profile Ripsaw 1 sprockets now. Reynolds,Basic sluggo and Morales Flatland will be the next more sought after frames. Oh, anybody have a mint JMC DY F/F in white or Hutch Judge in Candy Blue...... I also need Pattersons or CW Z's for my collection.




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 24, 1998 21:55
Entered by: bob (ned14@webtv.net)

Message:
The S&M Challenger (International Series) cruiser frameset I have is the 129th one made. It has the cable guide swiggle near where the seat stays connect. Do they make that frameset anymore? Anyway I found some NOS Tioga Comp ST tires(6)in black with the comp wrapping still attached around the tire. Also a Blue Haro Bubble Visor NOS and a Suntour Headset lock NOS in gold with the allen wrench. Plus Three boxes filled with NOS old skool that will be listed here in a couple days.




Subject: brakes
Entered on: Dec 25, 1998 09:06
Entered by: Phil (philco@copelandmusic.com)

Message:
Do bmx bikes have rear brakes that are controlled by the pedals, or do they rotate like the old english racer type? Thanks




Subject: Call Me
Entered on: Dec 25, 1998 16:13
Entered by: DAN (bmxca43@hotmail.com)

Message:
Hey Ben.joy get in touch I have some Moto-Bike info for you. I tried e-mailing but I couldn't get through. Feel free to give me a call (408)371-4726. I'll be in and out through the first of the year but I'll make an attemt to return your call if you leave a message. I've got good info so get in touch.DAN




Subject: haro
Entered on: Dec 26, 1998 07:36
Entered by: Ax (RonaldHodge)

Message:
Haro is the best brand bmx around.




Subject: schwinn sting-rays
Entered on: Dec 26, 1998 19:49
Entered by: paul (pbeno@earthlink.net)

Message:
wanted 1963-1973 sting-ray and krates also have some for sale or trade




Subject: ESP ?
Entered on: Dec 26, 1998 20:59
Entered by: Scott B ()

Message:
I have an ESP frame and fork. Everytime I tell anyone about it they have never heard of it they always ask me if its related to the ESP stem ? I remember racing against a couple of them in 1987. Does anyone want to explain its history? Its a cool frame in my opinionI It has a brace running from the middle of the TT, to the middle of the seattube, and at that point connects to a U-shaped tube that joins about the same place a Titan connects behind the BB. Also the TT is 21" long for the day.




Subject: suzuki
Entered on: Dec 26, 1998 23:40
Entered by: jeff (macthejack@webtv.net)

Message:
lookink for a suzuki bike also /n old redline proline frame these were my first bikes;thanks




Subject: misc. frames
Entered on: Dec 27, 1998 01:49
Entered by: Shaun ()

Message:
Knowbody replied to the question of frame sizes acording to rider hight. Iwould also like to know ? Would a 21" top tube Diamond Back be a pro xxl and would it suit a 5'11" rider? I also have a Redline 600a that is pink , were does the 600a fit in there lineup.Also were does the ProStreet Hutch fit in there lineup.( I would think close to the bottom) thank's




Subject: shaun
Entered on: Dec 27, 1998 03:10
Entered by: john ()

Message:
yep




Subject: Bay Bikes
Entered on: Dec 27, 1998 03:58
Entered by: Fearon (anitas@yknet.yk.ca)

Message:
Are there any Canadians out there who know what brand bmx's the Bay carried back in the 80's? I thought this question might help explain why there's so many old Kuwaharas in my town (Whitehorse).




Subject: mongoose
Entered on: Dec 27, 1998 05:09
Entered by: chris (cwidger@juno.com)

Message:
I have a 1984 mongoose expert ill sell it cheep to anyone who wanted one as a kid.




Subject: MOTOMAG 1
Entered on: Dec 27, 1998 18:47
Entered by: TERRY ()

Message:
i'm still looking to buy or trade for a motomag 1 , front , dont have to be perfect , as long as its not broken , have lots of stuff to trade . . . or will buy outright ! HELP !




Subject: Gold 20" wheels
Entered on: Dec 27, 1998 20:26
Entered by: Dave (oldbmxdc@aol.com)

Message:
A while back someone asked if I had a set of 20" wheels in gold for sale and I forgot who it was. Well I have a set with Araya 7x gold rims, chrome straight gauge spokes, and gold Suntour flip-flop loose ball hubs available. Hopefully whoever it was sees this. Wheels are brand new.




Subject: Wanted
Entered on: Dec 27, 1998 23:06
Entered by: Dave (oldbmxdc@aol.com)

Message:
Wanted: G-Boy fork used or new JMC pad set Cook Bros. hub set Nomura frame Slingshot Addicks cranks Haro group 1 cranks-cro-mo Bear Titron pedals For sale: Schwinn Tornado BMX: Stingray style frame: Orange/yellow color combo, Has both frame and bar # plates. All original down to bearing retainers except new tires and no pedals. Motorcycle style seat. This bike is 95% orig. For picture via snail mail e-mail me. Also have owners manual, but not serial #'d from this bike but is proper manual.




Subject: Suzuki's
Entered on: Dec 28, 1998 00:31
Entered by: Ben (ben.joy@infocus.com)

Message:
FYI - I'm going to place ad in a local Portland,Oregon newspaper offereing cash for old BMX bikes. The Bike Gallery in Portland sold an amazing amount of stuff from the mid 70's till it died out iin the mid to late 1980's. Why do I say this? They bought all of Suzuki's inventory when Suzuki decided to kill the "Works BMX". I spent many, many hours building Suzuki's with Tuff's (Energy provided by Bell Beefers w/Cheese - the then staple for a true BMX'er). I discussed this with the owner and they estimate selling about 1000 bikes (Suzuki alone) and untold Mongoose (Mongeese?) and DG's. I will palce they ad with a friend and we will put up stuff for sale via his shop if we actually pull in some gems. We are not looking to make cash, we jsut want to end up with a couple of stock Motobikes and or Kawaki bikes.




Subject: Items for trade/sell
Entered on: Dec 28, 1998 05:16
Entered by: darren (dcbmx1@aol.com)

Message:
Have for trade/sell: Free Agent Limo f/f in chrome with scripted lettering black pad set, Chrome Moosegoose frame and modified fork, Chrome Mongoose f/f, Chrome Supergoose f/f, 92-93 Red PK Ripper Pro f/f (not aheadset/has canti mounts/Landing Gear fork, of course), Chrome Haro Sport frame with blue GT freesyle fork, Powdercoated Black Haro Master f/f.




Subject: Chips BMX
Entered on: Dec 28, 1998 18:20
Entered by: Grossman ()

Message:
FYI Vintage BMX fans An episode of Chips titled CHP-BMX will air Tues 12/29 @ 8:00 am et/pt on TNT (check local listings). Originally aired 3/5/79. Never seen it - but with a title like that I assume it must involve BMX.




Subject: wanted
Entered on: Dec 28, 1998 18:28
Entered by: mitch (mwolf28963@aol.com)

Message:
unlike the rest here i am not looking for much.i need cw 3 piece crank arms.a new cooks bros front hub,and bottom bracket sets for 400 series flight arms.or if any one has extended length spindles for bullseye bottom brackets.i figured i would start with the simpler items first.thanks.




Subject: SEARCHING
Entered on: Dec 28, 1998 18:58
Entered by: Russ (russb@harris-pub.com)

Message:
Looking for old school BMX bikes/framesets, preferably in the New York metropolitan area (but shipped is cool, too). Looking mostly for early to mid-80's stuff, freestyle and BMX: Skyway T/A (white or chrome), Hutch Trickstar, Hutch Pro Racer, Profile (with the Thruster-like full-frame gusset), GT Pro (wings stickers, Santa Ana Calif.), GHP Trix, GT World Tour, Supergoose (with gussets and prism stickers), Haro Freestyler (or first generation Sport/Master), SE Quadangle/"PK Ripper" Torker 280, etc. Also parts such as Elina Lightning Bolt saddles, Zap Pads, Shimano DX's, 401 Flights, etc. Have some stuff to trade, including NOS black Tuff II's (plated, fronts only), NOS white Tuff II (front only), chrome Dia Compe Tech II levers (need clip parts), ACS RL Edge front wheel, Haro Freestyler frame pad (blue, for double top tube). On another note, my first BMX mag was an issue of Plus! I picked up in '82 with Scott (?) power sliding a Murray X20c. My first real BMX bike was a Schwinn Predator (with the teardrop gussets) set up with Mike Buff signature white Z-Rims (with white Suzue hubs), Comp II's, gold Maxi-Cross cranks (170 mm), KKT platform pedals, white Skyway EZ-Bars and a chrome GT layback. Oh, and a Haro Series One plate. It was the baddest bike on the block until my friend got a chrome Hutch Pro Racer. Then I got my Trickstar (since cracked and gone)...




Subject: WTB Titan titanium frame 24" cruiser
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 04:10
Entered by: Wayne (wdkindle@ccsi.com)

Message:
I would like to find a Titan built titanium framed 24" cruiser bike. I have seen and hefted a 20" bmx racer built by Titan, but I'm 6'1" and thats a little cramped for me to ride most of the time. I would also appreciate any history on the years this company was building frames, and what different models they offered etc. I believe this company was located in the Austin, Texas area. Any info, leads or help with this is greatly appreciated. I love this site! Wayne




Subject: CW cranks / Predator frame
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 09:46
Entered by: Scott (boyboy) (sraynes@qntm.com)

Message:
Mitch & Russ - I know a guy who has the CW 3 piece crank set. I can't say he'd get rid of it, but I can ask. Also, I've got that Predator frame Russ mentioned. I was building it to sell, but would hook you up with it if interested. Let me know. On a side note, I may be off Email for a bit, yet again. I'm gonna see what I can do to eliminate that, but if messages get bounced, you'll know why. I think I posted my phone number a while back, if anyone needs.




Subject: Yamaha Motobike
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 10:07
Entered by: Michael (mherron@litespec.com)

Message:
Looking to purchase a '74 or '75 Yamaha Motobike. Must be in riding condition. Please e-mail if you can help me out. Thanks!




Subject: Russ
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 10:37
Entered by: Shawn (Wheelsmn@hotmail.com)

Message:
The guys name on the cover of your first mag was Scott Clark.




Subject: Scott Clark
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 11:13
Entered by: Russ (russb@harris-pub.com)

Message:
Whew! Thanks for reminding me—I could remember Anthony Sewell, but not Scott Clark. Funny what you forget. I even remember "Chicken" George Seevers (?) who raced a mini for Redline, I believe. But I'm mostly freestyle, which reminds me: anyone have a Dirt Bros. f/f?




Subject: new Email address
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 14:33
Entered by: Scott (boyboy) (TripleRBMX@hotmail.com)

Message:
Hey guys. Well, I finally did it. I got myself a permanent Email address. It's TripleRBMX@hotmail.com. Took me long enough to make the plunge. The old address (sraynes@qntm.com) will no longer be effective as of Jan. 4th. I'm gonna try and retrace my steps and make that change all over the web. Thank you for your support.




Subject: HELP
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 15:50
Entered by: Greg (sixpac3x2@aol.com)

Message:
Guys I need 1 Ultra Dyno crank arm 170 mm, the side W/O sprocket, any color. Any help is appreciated!!!!!




Subject: Dirt Bro frame/ First real bmx
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 16:25
Entered by: Ol'Schoolio (ol_school@hotmail.com)

Message:
===anyone have a Dirt Bros. f/f ...=== wasn't that a restickered and painted green Skyway T/A? Not Eddie, your ealier post about your first real bmx bike reminded me of mine. It is amazing to think of the size of the tubing now. I had a Kuwahara KZ. Chrome and blue. One inch tubing all over the place. Blue adonalized powerlite bars with the bends in the grips. Blue adonalized fluted post. A blue Kashimax (MX i think). Red Shimano DX's. Seat tube steeper than the head tube. Gussets with the big circle on them. My parents got it for me in '80. It was used. It was originally owend by this guy who's parents were wealthy. That kid broke a limb and his parents sold the bike to my parents. That Kuwahara changed the course of my life. Sometimes I wonder, how different would things have been in my life if I never got that bike..................... On a side note, "My Kingdom for a Kashimax MX seat!"... Kashimax must have had a cast made from my ass. It was as comfortable as a plastic seat could be. Peace....




Subject: Dirt Bros.
Entered on: Dec 29, 1998 18:22
Entered by: Russ/Not Eddie Roman (russb@harris-pub.com)

Message:
Yep, the Dirt Bros. was a painted/re-stickered T/A with tapered Redline forks. They must have gotten them dirt cheap (no pun intended), because they were even less than the T/A's originally were. I am curious to whether they were original (thus, authentic) T/A's or the later 300 T/A's (no "Totally Aerodynamic" tubing). On a completely unrelated note, I just checked out BMX Non-Stop's old school page (http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/bmxnonstop/BMXOLD.html)—which is a good start, I may add—and MAN, I didn't remember how long the RL20's chainstays were. DAMN! Oh, and if anyone needs a set of lavender CW freestyle bars, let me know. They're coming off a chrome Trick Star that needs to be unpasteled—right now it's '86ed, it needs to be '84ed (the frame has an '84 NORA Cup sticker on it—I guess it's an '85). The lavender Tuff IIs will be replaced with black ones, the pink GT tires (old ones with Comp III-like side knobs) will be replaced with something black (Comp IIIs or Comp STs, preferably), and the bars will HOPEFULLY be replaced with a set of Dominguez or Itson Hutch bars. All white, black and chrome is the goal. On yet another note, does anyone have trouble getting rid of busted stuff? I have a late-80's baby blue GT Pro Freestyle Tour and an '85 all-white Haro Sport that I am loathe to throw out even though they've both had it. I rode the Sport into the ground (grinding concrete on dropout/standingplatforms=bad) and the Pro Freestyle Tour is rusting AND has demolished dropouts—but both have irreplaceable stickers all over them. Oh well. I guess I'll toss them someday.




Subject: broken stuff
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 01:32
Entered by: Paul (retrobmx@hotmail.com)

Message:
My wife would kill me if she saw this, but I'd be interested in your broken stuff. I wouldn't pay you anything for it, but would make you web page free on my website (just joking - they're free to anyone who asks.) I always thought it would be cool to do a study on broken frames to see how they fail -- my guess is most will fail around the headtube, right next to a weld. I'd take other broken stuff too. So if you got any, give me an e-mail. Ride on, Paul




Subject:
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 02:40
Entered by: john ()

Message:
Grossman- Great tip-off regarding: "Chips BMX"! Thanks- John




Subject: Kawasaki BX200 Aluminum BMX Bicycle
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 12:13
Entered by: Jeff (JeffreyR25@aol.com)

Message:
I'm looking for a parts bike, parts, complete bikes etc. 1975 Kawa Aluminum BMX sold thru cycle dealerships. if you know of any-let me know by email. I restore old kawa 3 cyl 2 strokes cycles and bicycles.




Subject: Chips BMX
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 12:27
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Okay....who taped the Chips episode...I missed it again.




Subject: broken bikes
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 14:13
Entered by: Russ/Not Eddie Roman (russb@harris-pub.com)

Message:
Paul— I can't allow myself to cause marital discord. The GT has been thrown out—but there wasn't much to look at there, anyway. The rust was getting a little out of hand, and the dropouts were pretty much useless. If you did do a "where bikes break" study, I would definitely think the headtube would be the place most breakages occur. If you can take a little personal history—bear with me—it would lead to that conclusion. My first "BMX" bike, a bronze Columbia Stingray copy (no cantilevered tubes) that was stripped of all chrome and graced with a padded 10-speed seat, and a fake Mongoose box bar/double-clamp stem combo, snapped completely at the head tube (learning wheelies). Later bikes that broke at the headtube were: '84 Hutch Trick Star, '84 Haro Master (behind the gusset), '89 GT Aggressor (entire headtube broke off) and two bashguard Bullys. Basically, every frame I've ever broken has broken at the headtube. Anybody else?




Subject: Favorite Bikes
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 14:24
Entered by: Russ/Not Eddie Roman (russb@harris-pub.com)

Message:
Sorry to double-post, but I saw this earlier, and figure I'd throw my two cents (bikes) in. First would be my Trick Star—chrome frame, candy apple red Trick Star forks, red freewheel Tuff II's, white Tioga Comp ST's, Takagi 175 mm one-piece cranks, Shimano SX pedals, white Skyway E-Z bars, silver Odyssey TKO stem, chrome Dia-Compe MX-1000s, chrome GT layback, other unremembered freestyle componentry. Also had love for my two '84/5 Haros: a white Sport with 401 Flights, HP-48s and other assorted trickery, and a black-over-that-original-green Master that I bought for $80 complete. It didn't have any spectacular parts, but it was DIALED. Broke the frame jumping. My ultimate goal is a completely chromed-out Trickstar with Superpros, chrome Hutch bars/seatpost,Aero Speed cranks, etc. That, or a graphite-Tuffed chrome (or white) T/A. Hugo Gonzalez lives.




Subject: SEWELL CLEARED THE MUDHOLE
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 14:59
Entered by: SKIPP (SKIPTON51@AOL.COM)

Message:
Howdy. Just returned from the Christmas Nationals in Columbus, Ohio. Did okay, but got in my own way in the semis and quarters, respectively. Can you believe we had quarter finals in 30-34 cruiser? Unbelieveable, but not so much considering there were over 2000 riders signed up. Vintage points of interest include a dude in my class racing an RRS 24 with CW bars and then the same guy was riding a Sting with black Z-rims (probably graphite, they had they charcoal tint) in the 30+ expert class and he made the main! Awesome. Did anyone record CHiPs BMX? I got to see it.




Subject: I'm back and I brought Danny Oakley with me.
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 18:57
Entered by: RandyS (randys@ulink.net)

Message:
Finally got my modem fixed. I haven't had time to look at the last month worth of posts but I assume they mostly deal with how much everyone was glad I was gone. Haven't done much frame hunting but I did get a Dan Gurney squareback at my local spot for the cost of a FilletO Fish Value meal. (: Also did the first annual "Barrette Bros.70s Pizza Reunion". Only five people showed up but the second annual one next year should be better. Skip, this one's for you>>>> Neil Bonds<<<<




Subject: OH, I forgot
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 19:03
Entered by: RandyS (randys@ulink.net)

Message:
I recorded it. I have 2 decks so I can copy it. Sincerely, Coy Hudson(Wheels and Things)




Subject: columbus
Entered on: Dec 30, 1998 22:33
Entered by: scott (janssens4@fuse.net)

Message:
hey skipp, i was in columbus for last wednesday's ohio state race and on sunday for the presidents cup. did you see the lil kid riding the mini cw z frame? i didnt even know cw made a mini z frame! i offered him a $1000 for it (kidding of course) and he said no way!




Subject: Reasonable Deals
Entered on: Dec 31, 1998 01:22
Entered by: Ken ()

Message:
There's a Hoffman Taj, and a Hawk Aluminum for sale on the Ebay. Looks like they will go cheap.




Subject: broken stuff
Entered on: Dec 31, 1998 02:03
Entered by: Kathy (Kathy.Bainbridge@gte.net)

Message:
Paul, interesting study. i had a set of vector bars once that broke right at the stem after landing a jump. no broken bones resulted, but the fall was bad enough to cause me to swear-off vector accessories forever.




Subject: An old thread. General Bikes.
Entered on: Dec 31, 1998 17:25
Entered by: Gregg (skidnflip@hotmail.com)

Message:
Yes General was corporate...which bike company wasn't? You never knew to whom your money was going to. It wasn't like today when you know that your hard earned money is going to Moliterno or Hoffman. I had a General Osborn Pro for years and that frame was by far the best frame I have ever owned. I was a fool to sell it, but sometimes a person just needs a change.




Subject: MOTOBIKE
Entered on: Dec 31, 1998 19:23
Entered by: Shinglehead (winndle@webtv.net)

Message:
I am kicking around the idea of letting go of my motobike. I have an owners manual, and color brochure also. My bike is orange with the "10 speed" style seat and steel rear fender. What kind of interesting trades are out there........




Subject: broken stuff
Entered on: Dec 31, 1998 19:33
Entered by: shinglehead (winndle@webtv.net)

Message:
Does anyone have the remains of any cool parts that they wish were still intact? I have what is a now useless pile of wat used to be a pair of tuff wheel white "GRAPHITE" wheels. That is to say they are factory only white wheels with the campy "graphite" hubs installed. I ended up putting them on an early quad that I used for a thrasher, and that is exactly what happened to the wheels,they got THRASHED! Of all the things I should have kept sweet.........!




Subject: Evel Knievel
Entered on: Jan 2, 1999 03:37
Entered by: Scott (sbender@btigate.com)

Message:
I have a complete Hoffman Evel K. at my bike shop. I was on the original waiting list and received #77. The price is $749.99 & shipping. If anyone is interested let me know. I'm pretty sure the first 100 seq. bikes will hold better collectiblity.




Subject:
Entered on: Jan 2, 1999 08:04
Entered by: bobby robson ()

Message:
I can ride better than you




Subject:
Entered on: Jan 2, 1999 08:06
Entered by: BMX IS CRAP ()

Message:
BMX is good (IF YOU ARE A STIFF)




Subject:
Entered on: Jan 2, 1999 08:10
Entered by: SMILER ()

Message:
My real name is Phillip Little. I am 16 years of age and play with 9 year-olds on bmx's. I am a freak of nature.I constructed my mega-ace bike out of drainpiping from the shed I live in. If you ever see me, please shoot me & put me out of my bmx misery.




Subject: BROKEN FRAMES
Entered on: Jan 2, 1999 09:37
Entered by: Josh (jpowell1@uiuc.edu)

Message:
Speaking of broken frames...in an article about the new Eastern frames, very vague reference was made to the Vorris Dixon Company and (I think) Redline. Did either of these companies ever make a bike with a front end like the Eastern? The net thing about it is that the top and down tubes come together and get welded together, and then a hole is drilled down thru both of them and the headtube PIERCES the top and down tubes and is welded in place. I think they said VDC did this...I've never heard of that company (sorry!) Does anyone know if there were frames out there like that back in more glorious times? As a side note, if you want to snap the front end on an Eastern...good luck!




Subject: Looser
Entered on: Jan 2, 1999 16:56
Entered by: Jughead ()

Message:
Hi Im a real loser, but I do have a computer and when I'm not polishing my rocket at slipery palm.com, Im insulting others and wishing I had been as cool as the across the that raced BMX. And P.S I'll never leave my e-mail adress because I'm afraid I'll be found out to be the mindless web surfer that I am




Subject: VDC
Entered on: Jan 2, 1999 22:23
Entered by: Jason L (jason.leikam@na.manpower.com)

Message:
Voris Dixon Company (VDC) was a company making frames for a short period of time around 1986 if memory serves me correct. (which it probably doesn't, as it rarely does) I don't believe they ever had a strong National or Factory team, but they did have a mildly good AA Pro racing for them named Hans Nissan out of Iowa. The top tube and down tubes of their frames did in fact pierce the head tube as I recall. Jason L




Subject: VDC
Entered on: Jan 3, 1999 16:46
Entered by: RandyS (randys@ulink.net)

Message:
Yeah, VDC was around for a few years, probab 81/82-87. I think Hans Nissen holds the Un-Official record for the most years in the pro class with the same helmet. They also had so so amatuer who quit to race motorcycles. Maybe you've heard of him. Jack and Ann McGraths little boy Jeremy.




Subject: Z-wheels for sale
Entered on: Jan 3, 1999 19:14
Entered by: Dave (oldbmxdc@aol.com)

Message:
Blue Z-rims built with show chrome spokes, and Shimano DX Silver Series high flange hubs. Also has Tuf-Neck alloy dome axle nuts. All nos, was on a bike never used. $60 for the pair Also have 2 20 x 2.125 Tioga comp iv folding tires new in boxes--$15 ea




Subject: VDC
Entered on: Jan 4, 1999 13:25
Entered by: Paul (retrobmx@hotmail.com)

Message:
The VDC bikes were cool and I'd love to get one. They were ahead of their time. They used a 10-speed headtube/headset to get it small enough to pierce the top and downtubes. I think their best selling product was their pedal cage extenders - remember those? They Bolted onto your KKT Lightning pedals to double the size of the cage. Oh yeah, VDC also sponsored a freestyler of note: Woody Itson. More proof they were ahead of their time: The Woody FS bars had .065 wall tubing - probably the first company to thicken up the wall of their handlebars, as everyone does these days.




Subject: A'me Fini Grips
Entered on: Jan 4, 1999 15:05
Entered by: JDM (jmanowitz@kpmg.com)

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Just picked up a large number of grips parts for A'me Fini grips. Does anyone have any of these grips? I need the flanges and the boltss that scew in to the ends. I have sleeves, flange coves, bar ends, and inserts. I'll either buy the missing parts or sell what I have. Thanks JDM




Subject: Trick Star
Entered on: Jan 4, 1999 16:41
Entered by: Russ/Not Eddie Roman (russb@harris-pub.com)

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Through a three-way trade, I got my Trick Star this weekend. Chrome frame and fork (first generation fork—no pegs), lavender freewheel Tuffs, white Dia-Compe MX brakes, chrome nameless layback, pink Dominator saddle (yikes!) pink Pro Neck (anyone got a hollow bolt for same?), pink GT tires, Tioga Task Force one-piece cranks (until I paint my 401's flat white), Tioga power disk, Pro Neck chainwheel, Haro Kneesavers (anyone got Hutch Itson or Dominguez bars they want to part with?), etc. I've also got a set of white Mike Buff Z's that are getting a rebuild. I might do a whole Buff replica if I can find the right parts...




Subject: new finds
Entered on: Jan 4, 1999 21:36
Entered by: TERRY ()

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i picked up a few things this weekend that i need help on ! a 24" raleigh in smoke , with araya wheels. a nos titan f/f in chrome , and a hutch that was chrome , but has been painted . can any one give a little history on any of these? how can i tell which hutch i have? also a front wheel with a hutch hub ??? thanks




Subject: Terry
Entered on: Jan 4, 1999 23:59
Entered by: Greg (sixpac3x2@aol.com)

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Terry I have a rear rim with a Hutch hub and would like to purchase your front. E Mail me and let me know.




Subject: THE OM RIDES AGAIN
Entered on: Jan 5, 1999 10:40
Entered by: SKIP (SKIPTON51@AOL.COM)

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Jeez, what happened around here? Some tards have wandered in. Anyway, So's I'm talkin' to this buddy of mine, who's workin' at this shop, and we're talkin' about something or other and he says "We have an OEM Flyer or whatever here--two of them, in fact..." Acourse he meant OM Flyer--two frame/fork sets, NOS, one for the skipper and one for someone else maybe. Mine is in transit, I'll let ya'll know when it arrives. E-Manial Lewis.




Subject: Brake Levers
Entered on: Jan 5, 1999 11:56
Entered by: Jose ()

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Are the plastic brake levers on EBAY worth buying? Who makes them? JA




Subject: Deals
Entered on: Jan 5, 1999 12:08
Entered by: Jason (jmanowitz@kpmg.com)

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I have kind of been away and very busy for a while. If I have any outstanding deals that I have not fulfilled, please let me know! JDM




Subject: The OM Flyer
Entered on: Jan 5, 1999 12:34
Entered by: KO'D (kevin.odonnell@zdg.com)

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is still being mfg'd. by SE-Racing. I believe it now has canti-mounts, a hole drilled to mount a derailuer and an oversized headtube, but the basic appearance of the bike is the same. My understanding is that guys have been using the frame as a downhill dual slalom bike and they work pretty well. KO'D




Subject: SE OM Continued
Entered on: Jan 5, 1999 12:36
Entered by: KO'D (kevin@continued-thought.com)

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the following URL has more information on the OM Flyer. >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.se-racing.com/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< KO'd