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Subject: Classic Lightweights
Entered on: Jul 18, 1997 08:40
Entered by: Menotomy Vintage Bicycles

Message:
In our opinion, these are the best, most reliable and most practical commuting bikes ever built. Raleigh, Humber, Dunelt, Phillips, Truimph, etc. Most all built in Nottingham, England. Most all having Sturmey-Archer internally-geared hubs. Most all having full fenders, upright handlebars and comfortable saddles.




Subject: Higgins? English Lightweight
Entered on: Jul 18, 1997 20:38
Entered by: Jim

Message:
Does anyone recall a Higgins bicycle? I had a bike we referred to as an Englishlightweight with Sturmey-Archer 3-speedhub, caliper brakes, skinny tires, etc.It was probably purchased about 1954 formy older brother. Definitely English-made but I'm not sure of the name.




Subject: Fleetwing 3speed
Entered on: Jul 18, 1997 22:24
Entered by: Todd

Message:
My sister-in-law recently purchased a Fleetwing 3speed. Can anyone provide any information regarding the bike. Approx. age, parts availibility and sources, history, value, etc.. Any information would be greatly appreciated.Thanks, Todd




Subject: Higgins? English Lightweight
Entered on: Jul 21, 1997 12:00
Entered by: Jim Divoky

Message:
The bike I was trying to recall was a Hercules. The responder also thought itwas sold by Sears perhaps under the J.C.Higgins label. They're still made (at least the name is alive) in Germany byNurenberg Hercules Werke which is now asubsidiary of ATAG Holdings, a Britishcompany.




Subject: Higgins .vs. Hercules
Entered on: Jul 23, 1997 07:41
Entered by: Menotomy Vintage Bicycles

Message:
Higgins, as in JC Higgins, was a US company as far as we know. They did make a 3-speed roadster in the late 1950s and early 1960's. But these bikes were equipped with a 'JC Higgins' 3-speed internal hub, not a Sturmey Archer.Hercules bikes were English.-Vin




Subject: Raleigh "Twenty" Folder
Entered on: Jul 24, 1997 11:09
Entered by: Len

Message:
I recently purchased a Raleigh "Twenty" folding bike, vintage I believe about 1970. I would appreciate any information about this bike including original price, and current value.




Subject: Antique English Bike
Entered on: Jul 24, 1997 14:46
Entered by: Bob

Message:
I am with a United Way in Mass. We havebeen offered an english bicycle, that we aretold is 100 years old. Is this possible.We have not received any additional informationon it yet.A reply would be appreciated and helpful.




Subject: parts
Entered on: Jul 25, 1997 13:53
Entered by: Todd

Message:
Can anyone help with the followingquestions?1: Do you know how I may be able to obtain a replacement handlebar?2: Are the Raleigh pedals available in reproduction, or do you have any info on good used pedals, or can the ones I have be rebuilt?3: Are items such as tires and reflectors still available and where.4: And my most important question: How can I, if at all, obtain new decals for my frame after painting it. If decals are not likely to be found is there any available artwork I can use to try to recreate the decals by painting them directly onto the frame.Any info is appreciated.




Subject: Crescent
Entered on: Jul 25, 1997 14:17
Entered by: Ron

Message:
I just acquired a Crescent bicycle. It appears to be an early 70's road bike and made in Sweden. Lots of beautifut cast alloy; the hubs are spectacular! Any info would be much appreciated!




Subject: Hercules
Entered on: Jul 25, 1997 15:26
Entered by: JimB

Message:
Hercules 3-speeds were sold through many types of retail outletsprior to 1970. Many independent bicycle shops offered thatbrand as their English lightweight brand. It was an averagequality brand. The best were Raleigh, Rudge and Humber. Thencame Robin Hood, Dunelt, Hercules, etc. The lower qualityincluded Phillips, Royal Scott, AMF, Huffy, and any other oddbrand or store brand 3-speed. These were perceived qualitiesat the time. All of these bikes were very reliable and durable.Jim




Subject: Raleigh Record Ace
Entered on: Jul 25, 1997 23:33
Entered by: Tom

Message:
I just recently inheireted a 1950 Raleigh Record Ace club touring bicycle. It is a four speed plus has a deraileur. I am cleaning it up and would like to restore to original condition. Does anyone have any pictures or brochuresof this bike I can work from?Tom




Subject: Mid-50's Raleigh Lenton Sports Model
Entered on: Jul 26, 1997 21:46
Entered by: Paul

Message:
Has anyone heard of this model? It was British racing green with a large yellow decal on the seat tube "Lenton Sports". It had a Reynolds 531 frame to boot.




Subject: full chainguard
Entered on: Jul 28, 1997 11:04
Entered by: claudia

Message:
i am searching for a full chain guard to replace the hockey stick original on my raleigh3-speed. any leads?




Subject: higgins/record Aces/raleigh chainguards etc etc
Entered on: Jul 31, 1997 11:02
Entered by: mike

Message:
hi -Im a mad collector (and rider) of older bicycles...Im a brit and I live in Greenwich (famous for the meridian -rather than Bob Dylan!)Higgins - was an english lightweight manufacturer who produced a lateral tubed racing bike over here - very collectable! late 1930s to the mid 50s as far as I am aware - as collectable as hetchins and Bates - they did not make tourers as far as Im aware..the record ace with the hybrid gears sounds like an early lauterwasser conversion for long touring work - quite collectable....Raleigh fully enclosed chainguards - very cheap in holland and the UK about Ģ5 - if there are Pashley dealers in the US one of theres will fit - though expensive - a chinese one will do just as well.....:7) Th




Subject: RALEIGH RUNABOUT
Entered on: Aug 1, 1997 22:37
Entered by: BILL

Message:
I just purchased a this bike and I would love to know more about it. Any information including years of production, parts availablity, and value would be greatly appreciated. Thank You




Subject: Full Chain Guard for 3-speed Triumph
Entered on: Aug 4, 1997 21:09
Entered by: Scott

Message:
I am also looking for a fully enclosedchainguard to replace the hockey-stick guard for an early 1970's Triumph3-speed. Thanks!




Subject: RE: Raleigh Runabout
Entered on: Aug 5, 1997 08:20
Entered by: jj

Message:
Please tell us more about the Runabout. Does it have 20" wheels? Does it look like a Sting-Ray or a lightweight?




Subject: full chainguards
Entered on: Aug 5, 1997 12:56
Entered by: JimB

Message:
Good luck on finding full chainguards in the US. They are very rare indeed. I know of no sources for them.




Subject: full chainguards
Entered on: Aug 6, 1997 13:55
Entered by: claudia

Message:
I am in touch by e-mail with a bike dealer in England and am trying to orderone. When I get prices, shipping costsetc and successfully order one, I will post the details here.ddet




Subject: Re: Full chainguards
Entered on: Aug 6, 1997 22:24
Entered by: Scott

Message:
Claudia, if you could e mail me the URL of the UK dealer, I would greatly appreciate it.Thanx!




Subject: RALEIGH "GRAND PRIX"
Entered on: Aug 6, 1997 23:49
Entered by: MITCH

Message:
I PICKED UP THIS BIKE AT A GARAGE SALE.IT'S IN EXCELLENT / MINT CONDITION. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE AGE AND VALUE OF THIS BIKE. THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BIKE: IT'S A RALEIGH "GRAND PRIX", HAS "RACE CARLTON PROVED" STICKERS , BIKE MADE IN NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND, TRU WELL 205 FRAME-ERW STEEL TUBE, WEINMAN CENTER PULL BRAKES,SIMPLEX COMPONENTS, HALF CHROME FORK, AND LEATHER "WRIGHTS" SADDLE MADE IN BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND.THANKS




Subject: Raleigh Grand Prix
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 07:52
Entered by: JimB

Message:
It sounds like your Raleigh Grand Prix is from the 1965-1970 era. I had a 1971 Grand Prix and by that time, the nice leather seats were no longer offered and the Carlton stickers were not on the bike.




Subject: Full Chainguards
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 07:53
Entered by: JimB

Message:
I too would be interested in any leads for full chainguards, even if it involves mailorder from England.




Subject: Re: Raleigh Grand Prix
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:08
Entered by: Scott

Message:
My first "10-speed" was a Raleigh Grand Prix. It, too, had a Wright saddle,(which I later changed to a Brooks)the Carlton sticker,and simplex derailleurs. It was a beautifullight brown/coppery color. I puchased it(actually, my parents purchased it)in 1970. I believe the retail price at that time was $150. The model rightbelow it was the "Record", it sold for$95. I was proud of my ability to negotiate with my parents for the better model!




Subject: Brooks Saddles
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:31
Entered by: Scott

Message:
By the way, if you have trouble findinga Brooks saddle, like the B-66 for thatEnglish 3-speed, Wallingford Bicycle Parts has them. They are at: www.wallbike.com/wbp.html




Subject: Shimano
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:38
Entered by: Alden

Message:
My friend has a (middleweight)? bike 26 inch with 1 3/8 tires with a shimahno single speed coaster brakeand it rides like a dream, Is this a quality hub lowcost common dept store type? Bike badge says it was sold by Grants (Grantsport)




Subject: RALEIGH 8 SPEED
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:42
Entered by: TIM

Message:
I HAVE PURCHASED A RALEIGH 8 SPEED WITH A BROOKS LEATHER SADDLE, A CABLE AND CHAIN DERAILER IN THE REAR BY BENELUX, A MANUAL FRONT DERAILER BY BENELUX, AND DECALS THAT READ "THE RALEIGH, NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND", GUARANTEED ENGLISH LIGHTWEIGHT, REYNOLDS 531 TUBING, REG HARRIS ROAD MODEL, AND LENTON GRAND PRIX. THE BIKE IS GREENISH GRAY AND HAS WHITE HILIGHTS. HOW DO I DETERMINE THE AGE AND VALUE?




Subject: RALEIGH 8 SPEED
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:42
Entered by: TIM

Message:
I HAVE PURCHASED A RALEIGH 8 SPEED WITH A BROOKS LEATHER SADDLE, A CABLE AND CHAIN DERAILER IN THE REAR BY BENELUX, A MANUAL FRONT DERAILER BY BENELUX, AND DECALS THAT READ "THE RALEIGH, NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND", GUARANTEED ENGLISH LIGHTWEIGHT, REYNOLDS 531 TUBING, REG HARRIS ROAD MODEL, AND LENTON GRAND PRIX. THE BIKE IS GREENISH GRAY AND HAS WHITE HILIGHTS. HOW DO I DETERMINE THE AGE AND VALUE?




Subject: RALEIGH 8 SPEED
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:43
Entered by: TIM

Message:
I HAVE PURCHASED A RALEIGH 8 SPEED WITH A BROOKS LEATHER SADDLE, A CABLE AND CHAIN DERAILER IN THE REAR BY BENELUX, A MANUAL FRONT DERAILER BY BENELUX, AND DECALS THAT READ "THE RALEIGH, NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND", GUARANTEED ENGLISH LIGHTWEIGHT, REYNOLDS 531 TUBING, REG HARRIS ROAD MODEL, AND LENTON GRAND PRIX. THE BIKE IS GREENISH GRAY AND HAS WHITE HILIGHTS. HOW DO I DETERMINE THE AGE AND VALUE?




Subject: RALEIGH 8 SPEED
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:43
Entered by: TIM

Message:
I HAVE PURCHASED A RALEIGH 8 SPEED WITH A BROOKS LEATHER SADDLE, A CABLE AND CHAIN DERAILER IN THE REAR BY BENELUX, A MANUAL FRONT DERAILER BY BENELUX, AND DECALS THAT READ "THE RALEIGH, NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND", GUARANTEED ENGLISH LIGHTWEIGHT, REYNOLDS 531 TUBING, REG HARRIS ROAD MODEL, AND LENTON GRAND PRIX. THE BIKE IS GREENISH GRAY AND HAS WHITE HILIGHTS. HOW DO I DETERMINE THE AGE AND VALUE?




Subject: RALEIGH 8 SPEED
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 21:45
Entered by: TIM

Message:
I HAVE PURCHASED A RALEIGH 8 SPEED WITH A BROOKS LEATHER SADDLE, A CABLE AND CHAIN DERAILER IN THE REAR BY BENELUX, A MANUAL FRONT DERAILER BY BENELUX, AND DECALS THAT READ "THE RALEIGH, NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND", GUARANTEED ENGLISH LIGHTWEIGHT, REYNOLDS 531 TUBING, REG HARRIS ROAD MODEL, AND LENTON GRAND PRIX. THE BIKE IS GREENISH GRAY AND HAS WHITE HILIGHTS. HOW DO I DETERMINE THE AGE AND VALUE?




Subject: 28" Rims?
Entered on: Aug 8, 1997 13:25
Entered by: David

Message:
Does anyone know of a source for 28" rimsor full wheels for a Raleigh DL-1 Tourist?I am having a devil of a time finding apair. Will gladly order from outside U.S. if necessary. Thanks.




Subject: Mossberg
Entered on: Aug 8, 1997 20:15
Entered by: Alden

Message:
Are there many Mossbergs out there?There seems to be mostly serious advanced bikers on the web, not to many like myself who just like to ride their kids toys!I would like to buy a Mossberg 20 inch in any condition or state of completenessI know this is not an English roadster but no other categorly---




Subject: 28" Rims & other stuff
Entered on: Aug 8, 1997 22:31
Entered by: Scott

Message:
Pashley make a 28" version of theirclassic English roadster. You might be able to obtain 28" rims through the US importer, Matt Dekkerat: www.eskimo.com/~mdekker/By the way, in case you didn't know, NEW"English" roadsters are still very popularand very available in Holland. Check outBatavus' web site: www.batavus.comthen go to "City" bikes. Unfortunately,these bikes are not imported into the US.




Subject: Schwinn & 3-speed Sturmey...
Entered on: Aug 13, 1997 20:59
Entered by: steve

Message:
Hello--What do you know about the '64 Schwinn "CO-ED" model Sturmey-Archer ladies 3-speed.A found-in-the-garage-bike-25-year-grime-gently removed-original. Any info about this model, price, production dates, owner's manual,memoriesand any helpful info--please drop me an e-mail THX and aloha!




Subject: Raleigh Bicycles
Entered on: Aug 13, 1997 21:44
Entered by: Duane

Message:
To Todd, I found a web page that mayhelp you. http://www.raleighbikes.com/heritage.html At the bottom of this page is a mailing address for RaleighBike Co., Nottingham, England. I don't know if they can help find parts you wantbut it may be worth a try. Best of luck




Subject: Schwinn Co-Ed
Entered on: Aug 14, 1997 07:41
Entered by: jj

Message:
That is a fairly un-common Schwinn lightweight roadster. you'll see plenty of Schwinn lightweight men's models like the 'Racer' or the 'Speedster', but not many CO-Ed. Not sure why. Probably worth around $175 in good original condition.




Subject: Humber
Entered on: Aug 14, 1997 21:47
Entered by: Chas

Message:
Need info. - age,parts,value,ect. # 4 ( ? on 4 ) TN.523725G on handelbar support - Raleigh brakes - Sturmey Archer 3 speed - Dynohub - Brooks B66 saddle - Shuresto kickstand. ANY info will be welcome. Bike is in nice shape! THANKS




Subject: Raleigh Bicycles
Entered on: Aug 18, 1997 12:00
Entered by: JimB

Message:
I went through the process of contacting Raleigh regarding some of their older bicycles. All of the vintage Raleigh material has been given to the Nottingham (England) Library. You are welcome to stop by and do research. If you are too far away, you can hire local research firms to do the work for you. That was too much money for me since I live in the US.




Subject: Excellent web source for English bikes
Entered on: Aug 19, 1997 09:41
Entered by: JimB

Message:
The following web page is a "absolute must read" for anyone who is interested in English 3-speeds: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/english_3_speeds.html




Subject: 28" Rims David
Entered on: Aug 21, 1997 02:01
Entered by: PaulK

Message:
I have N.O.S. Rims For your Bike




Subject: RE: 28" Rims - PaulK
Entered on: Aug 21, 1997 11:26
Entered by: JimB

Message:
Do you have a source for 28 X 1 1/2 inch English roadster tires as well? I would prefer Dunlop, but could also use a pair of Asian tires so I can save my old Dunlops.




Subject: 28" westwoods
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 08:05
Entered by: calvert

Message:
paul k............what are you asking for your rims?....& do you have rod brake pads as well?.....thx, calvert guthrie in kansas city




Subject: data base of brit bike enthusiasts & newb's
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 08:45
Entered by: Calvert

Message:
if you would like to be included on list/data base of classic brit bike enthusiasts & newb's....drop me your @'s (including name, address, email address, & phone #) & i'll see that you get a copy......calvert guthrie in kansas city......




Subject: Source for English 3-speed parts
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 09:26
Entered by: JimB

Message:
I found a great source for old English 3-speed parts and other vintage bicycle parts: American Cyclery, Attn: Bradley, 510 Frederick Street, San Francisco, CA 94117, Phone (415) 664-4545, Fax (415) 664-6653, bradley@bicycletrader.com. He has helped me find some pretty rare restoration items.




Subject: Raleigh "Twenty" Folder
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 13:55
Entered by: Len

Message:
I recently picked up an early seventies Raleigh "Twenty" Floding bike in pretty good shape.I would appreciate it if anyone has any history or info on this model.Also-I am looking for a source for original type 20" whitewall tires for it. All of the ones I have found are too much like BMX tires, instead of the high wall semi balloons of the original




Subject: Dawes Realmrider 4-speed
Entered on: Aug 24, 1997 18:45
Entered by: Russ

Message:
I have acquired a Dawes Realmrider, black with red seattube trim. Components include a trigger-shift Sturmey-Archer FW hub (is 62 marking a date stamp? Also has what appears to be a patent number for USA), Weinmann Junior sidepulls (with really cool rubber cable guards marked Dawes Patent), 27x1 1/4 wheels, Remo alloy front hub, Brooks B-66 saddle, chromed fenders (original? rather crude braces!), what appears to be a generator bracket that bolts to a brazed fitting on the right front fork, round-oval-round chainstays, really nice lugwork, cool pump pegs that double as cable housing stops, 46 tooth chainring on a steel cottered crankset (Marked N - Nervex?) and unmarked steel old-style rattrap pedals. The bars are the classic English upright type. The headtube badge is the only part that is still bright, a gold finished item featuring a torch with the words DAWES Birmingham England.The first problem is, she's been badly, badly neglected. The only thing I think I really need is a set of rims. You guessed it, typical English setup - 32 spoke front, 40 spoke rear. Where do I find 27-in rims with this hole pattern, and are there any (don't tell the purists!) alloy ones?This one seems to have been built for relatively fast riding. The frame angles remind me of early 70's derailleur club bikes.If someone wants to put a dollar amount on it, fine. But I think I'll keep this one.Am I correct in assuming this bicycle was built circa 1962? And does anyone have any information on these things? I'm going to leave the frame's finish alone (she's earned those battle scars, buddy!), but I might cheat on the fenders. Hopefully, this information will help someone...including me! Thanks!




Subject: RE: Dawes Realmrider 4-speed
Entered on: Aug 25, 1997 11:31
Entered by: JimB

Message:
Congratulations on the Dawes. You are correct in assuming that the rear hub was made in 1962. There should be a month number (1-12) on that hub as well. Assuming the rear wheel is original, you have a 1962 bike. Your bike sounds a lot like an English "Club" bike of the period. They had alloy components, 4-speeds, etc, and were used for racing and club events. For the chrome fenders, I would suggest an SOS Junior pad and water. Once you have them clean and shiny, wax them well to keep them from rusting again. As for the 32 and 40 spoke 27 X 1 3/8 rims, I would start with American Cyclery (Attn: Brad) in San Francisco and Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)in Massachusetts. If they don't have them, you will have to order them from a bike shop in England. Are you sure you can't fix and use the ones you have? It would be great to keep the bike original.




Subject: Hub flange sizes...
Entered on: Aug 25, 1997 17:54
Entered by: Russ

Message:
Thanks, JimB, for your info. You and Sheldon Brown have helped me a great deal in this endeavor. Unfortunately, the rims are not only rusted but badly pitted as well. I am on the verge of cheating and putting 700C rims, per S. Brown's suggestion. My question is, are the FW and the AW hub flanges the same size? They




Subject: SA 5spd shifter etc.
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 03:55
Entered by: nicolas

Message:
need SA 5 speed shifter for 57 tourist,and am interested in other vintage Raleigh parts etc. (rod brake pads)




Subject: RE: Hub flange sizes...
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 09:58
Entered by: JimB

Message:
The flange sizes on the AW and FW should be identical. In fact, I would bet money on it (and I'm not a bettor). You said that Sheldon helped you quite a bit. Try Bradley at Am. Cyclery. Like Sheldon, he loves British bikes. He stocks a lot of stuff and is always ordering more from England all the time. As for the rims, you can have them replated for around $60 each. Custom Metal Finishing Inc, 5270 E Apple Ave, Muskegon, MI 49442-3006, Phone: (616)788-4277 specializes in rechoming bicycle parts. I have used them in the past with great success. You are going to lose so much value and historical significance by going to 700C rims in my opinion.




Subject: Dating old Raleighs
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 10:30
Entered by: JimB

Message:
I received a document from the Nottinhamshire (England) Archive that lists dates from 1888 to 1966 and associated Raleigh frame serial numbers. Both Menotomy and Sheldon Brown have agreed to post this info on their web pages. Look for it in the next few weeks if you need to know how old your Raleigh is and it doesn't have the original rear Sturmey Archer hub.




Raleigh Information:

Thanks to 'JimB'

from Nottinghamshire Archives, 1994

Here are the years that Raleigh took over various
3-speed companies.

Humber 1932
Rudge-Whitworth 1943
Triumph 1954
BSA 1957
Phillips 1960
Hercules 1960

==============================================
Dating Your Raleigh 3-speed Bicycle
If your bicycle has a Sturmey-Archer hub (c1903-1990s),
it should have on the hub a date of manufacture, which would
normally also be the cycle's date of manufacture. It may
also be possible to date your bicycle from its frame
number which on early models is usually located underneath
the seat lug, under the saddle. This only applies to a
genuine Raleigh, not to other makes. The list below will
help with dating your Raleigh bicycle from the frame numbers,
but is not a definitive list, it simply notes occasional
frame numbers that coincide with certain years of manufacture.

Raleigh Bicycles 1888-1925
--------------------------
From frame number located under saddle

Prior to 1925, genuine Raleighs (not necessarily brand names
made by Raleigh) had a straight forward numerical frame number.
Early years have been estimated by the Company.

1888 1500       1907 183073
1889 3200       1908 215650
1890 5200       1909 249081
1891 7600       1910 285669
1892 10500       1911 328748
1893 13900       1912 375693
1894 19100       1913 427829
1895 25300       1914 482851
1896 32100       1915 517198
1897 39913       1916 545198
1898 45981       1917 569737
1899 54032       1918 592473
1900 65152       1919 621678
1900 69868       1920 654502
1901 77342       1921 688291
1902 89622       1922 738447
1903 102954       1923 809184
1904 112673       1924 899465
1905 129228       1925 998077
1906 154917

Raleigh Bicycles 1925-Second War
--------------------------------
Between 1925 and the cessation of cycle production during the
Second World War, letters prefixed or suffixed the running
frame number although no indication is given of the starting
point of the numbers. They seem to reflect only the
number of machines produced whilst each letter was in use.
All dating would therefore be approximate.

1925 A1
1925 B34181
1926/27 B56536
1929 E15693
1930 G94785
1933 L84682
1934 T93945
1934 U14540
1935 W71147
1936 W93161
1937 Y184552

Raleigh Bicycles Post Second War - 1966
---------------------------------------

After the war, Raleigh began adding letters after the
running number series which restarted when a new letter
was used.

1947 437689 P
1948 556894 P
1949 695051 P
1951 151179 T
1952 236530 T
1953 367369 T
1954 566722 T
1955 747951 T
1956 852312 T
1957 872584 T

A new numbering system was introduced in 1955, though this
ran concurrently with the old one for two years. The new
system involved a second running letter, added to the first,
which began at the start of the alphabet.

1956 23839 A
1957 27227 AB
1958 17910 AD
1960 27273 AE
1961 13126 AF
1965/6 40814 FD
1966 64521 FE
from Nottinghamshire Archives, 1994




Subject: Raleigh/Moulton
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 14:49
Entered by:
Chris

Message:
I'm liiking for a Moulton Mk.3, which Raleigh built in the early '70s. I dpubt there are many of these in the US, but I can hope, can't I? Leads on earlier Moultons for sale also welcome.




Subject: Raleigh/Moulton
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 14:49
Entered by: Chris

Message:
I'm looking for a Moulton Mk.3, which Raleigh built in the early '70s. I doubt there are many of these in the US, but I can hope, can't I? Leads on earlier Moultons for sale also welcome.




Subject: Dawes Realmrider (part III)
Entered on: Aug 27, 1997 00:11
Entered by: Russ

Message:
Thanks, JimB. You've managed to persuade me to redo these rims...and someday I'll be finished with scrubbing them! Next question. Does anyone know if this model had a chainguard or not? There wasn't one when I got it, and I can find no signs it ever had one. Considering the brazed-on lamp mount, one would be tempted to assume that there would be a brazed-on chainguard mount ... if such a thing was standard equipment. Any ideas?




Subject: Crescent
Entered on: Aug 27, 1997 05:41
Entered by: Martin

Message:
Hi Ron! Itīs quite interesting that you have found one of our top brands over there. In short, the Crescent Bicycle Factory was located in the city of Uppsala until the beginning of the 70īs when it was sold to the Stiga leisure-ware co. which deals with leisure and sports products from lawn mowers to air rifles and the lot. Crescent still remains as a separate brand and is produced in Varberg at the production plant of the Crescent-Monark Co. Crescent is famous for itīs lightweight forged steel alloy frames and that is the only detail produced locally nowadays, as far as I know. All other details are imported. Crescent is still considered to be one of the best among the standard bikes to go around for reasonable money. I have got a sports roadster from the beginning of the 80īs myself, bright metallic green with 12-gear Shimano. Your comment about the alloy cast details and spectacular hubs made me curious. Is that standard equipment, or perhaps a special version exported to the US only? If you would like any particular information, just drop me a line and Iīll find it for you.




Subject: RE: Dawes Realmrider (part III)
Entered on: Aug 27, 1997 09:37
Entered by: JimB

Message:
If your bike is a "Club" bike as it appears to be, it probably did not come with a chainguard. Look bery carefully on the downtube and the rear of the frame to see if there is any scratching that would indicate that one was there at one time.




Subject: RE: Raleigh/Moulton
Entered on: Aug 27, 1997 09:39
Entered by: JimB

Message:
In the US, Moultons were heavily sold into the camping and RV market. You would have better luck with RV-related web sites and RV dealers.




Subject: rust removal
Entered on: Aug 27, 1997 19:32
Entered by: Russ

Message:
A humble submission...I have discovered this paste called Quick-Glo, by a fimr called Quick-Way Brand Corp. It is amazing stuff. It removes rust without harming the chrome, and seems to be much better than any other method I've tried so far. Also...is there anyone gathering insanely encyclopedic knowledge of these ancient Brit-bikes? If so, please contact me. I'm curious, and will be glad to pass on any info I may have access to from handling the beasts.




Subject: Ron's Crescent bicycle, as of 7/27
Entered on: Aug 28, 1997 01:06
Entered by: Russ

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Ron, a quick note about the Crescent. They were relatively rare in the Southeast (where I'm from). I remember seeing ads for them, though, as early as 1973, in Bicycling! magazine. As I recall, they used the same b/w photo ad for a couple of years, prominently featuring an attractive lady wearing very high heels for rattrap pedals. At any rate, they were (as I recall) fairly well regarded, and featured decent to good components or better, depending on where in the line it was. It seems to me that for some reason, the majority of the Crescents I have seen were orange, sort of like how most of the Peugeot U-08s, A-08s and PX-10Es I've seen around were white. Treasure it. All of those nice early 70s derailleur bikes look so much prettier than the stuff being built now, to my eyes.




Subject: moulton mk III
Entered on: Aug 28, 1997 08:14
Entered by: calvert

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you can get on the moulton email list by writing to: moulton@cycling.org you can reach all the moulton pages by way of http://www.whooper.demon.co.uk/moulton/moulton.html




Subject: Swedish Crescent Bicycles
Entered on: Aug 29, 1997 06:27
Entered by: Martin

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Hi Ron & Russ! Just a few more comments on the Crescents. Yes, the Crescents of the early 70īs were very common in orange colour, I think that was the only original colour to go around for several years, at least for the gentīs models. Iīm not sure about the ladiesī. The Crescent has always used top brand components only, as well as top quality steel alloy frames made by themself. Usually the Crescents were and are equipped with gears and brakes by Shimano, hubs by Maillard and rims by Weinmann, which guarantees complete satisfaction to itīs owners. Here in Sweden, Crescent is still the major brand on the market, and because bicyclke collecting is still practically non-existent, you will be able to pick up any Crescent from the 70īs or earlier in decent condition for less than 100 bucks equivalent. Lately, a lot of budget priced Asian brands have turned up here and I think it might just be a matter of time when the domestic brands like Crescent, Monark, Mustang, Fram, King, Kroon, DBS and CBS will be discontinued. So, if you happen to be an owner of any of these brands, take good care of it, and you will be sure to enjoy top quality riding for years to come! Incidentally, the brands you guys are talking about (Schwinn etc.) are unknown in Sweden, or at least I havenīt seen any of them in real life nor in the ads in our local junk mail. Does anyone know if they have been exported at all? The only U.S. made bike I have came across so far is a Murray, which I picked up in pretty poor condition at a junkyard without wheels. I have restored it completely , with new paint, saddle, and 26" wheels with stainless rims and spokes and a 3-speed Torpedo hub, which seems to fit nicely, but I donīt know if it resembles the original.




Subject:
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 09:17
Entered by: steve

Message:
I have a Robin Hood bicycle, made in Nottingham, England. Does anyone have any info on it?




Subject:
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 09:23
Entered by: steve

Message:
I have a Robin Hood bicycle, made in Nottingham, England. Does anyone have any info on it?




Subject: Bicycle Nameplates
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 18:21
Entered by: Greg

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I collect bicycle nameplates from British and other european Bikes. Am looking for Humber, Batavus, Sparta, Phillips(Birmingham), and others. I also collect "John Bull" items, tyre repair kits, etc. I have a 1948 Raleigh Mens' 3-speed that I am restoring. Looking for decails(transfers), ie: "The All Steel Bicycle", and "Raleigh" script for the enclosed chainguard. Mudflaps, original 1948 owners manual, "John Bull" handlegrips, etc. Also - enclosed chainguards can be found in Holland, Email me for locations. Any nameplates and/or items for the 1948 Raleigh, please Email me as well. Greg, GVigr16261@aol.com




Subject: Bicycle Nameplates
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 18:27
Entered by: Greg

Message:
I collect bicycle nameplates from British and other european Bikes. Am looking for Humber, Batavus, Sparta, Phillips(Birmingham), and others. I also collect "John Bull" items, tyre repair kits, etc. I have a 1948 Raleigh Mens' 3-speed that I am restoring. Looking for decails(transfers), ie: "The All Steel Bicycle", and "Raleigh" script for the enclosed chainguard. Mudflaps, original 1948 owners manual, "John Bull" handlegrips, etc. Also - enclosed chainguards can be found in Holland, Email me for locations. Any nameplates and/or items for the 1948 Raleigh, please Email me as well. Greg, GVigr16261@aol.com




Subject: Robin Hood
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 18:20
Entered by: Russ

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Steve, if memory serves me correctly, Robin Hood was built by Raleigh. The other guys at this site can tell you more, but for starters, refer to the message above from JimB, wherein he details Raleigh serial numbers and frame design details. In a response to one of my postings, he also confirms that stampings on the shell of Sturmey-Archer hubs are indeed a date code, giving year and month of manufacture. Let me congratulate you, by the way. I haven't seen a Robin Hood in close to 20 years.




Subject: Raleigh Sprite
Entered on: Aug 31, 1997 09:53
Entered by: Robert

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Does anyone know when a ladies 5-speed sprite was made, and how it was equipped? This one is missing wheels, brakes,and derailleur. It appears that it might have been fitted with a hybrid shifter at one point. My friend is thinking of restoring it because of its good paint and chrome, but we're not sure what parts he should use. I should note that this frame seems to us to be unusually light for an old raleigh, another reason for our interest. Thanks for your help. Robert




Subject: Raleigh Sprite
Entered on: Aug 31, 1997 09:53
Entered by: Robert

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Does anyone know when a ladies 5-speed sprite was made, and how it was equipped? This one is missing wheels, brakes,and derailleur. It appears that it might have been fitted with a hybrid shifter at one point. My friend is thinking of restoring it because of its good paint and chrome, but we're not sure what parts he should use. I should note that this frame seems to us to be unusually light for an old raleigh, another reason for our interest. Thanks for your help. Robert




Subject: Raleigh Sprite
Entered on: Aug 31, 1997 13:27
Entered by: Russ

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Robert, I recall seeing new Raleigh Sprites as recently as the mid 1970s. I will try to run by the local bike shop Tuesday, as they have a coffee-colored example in their used section. I seem to recall that they used Simplex derailleurs, a 14-28 rear cluster, and some sort of Weinmann brakeset. I don't recall if the hubs were quick release (I don't think they were), but I seem to remember them being high-flange units, a la the ones used on Raleigh's least expensive 10-speeds with dropped bars. I suspect the frames are pretty much the same as the Record, the Gran Prix, etc. I am just sorry I no longer have the bicycle catalogs I collected in my youthy. Still, I will try to post an update after viewing the example here in town.




Subject: Raleigh Sprite/Sears 2-speed hub
Entered on: Aug 31, 1997 16:37
Entered by: Russ

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Re: the Sprite, alas, the one in town is not all original! It does have sidepulls, though, which are marked Raleigh. They look suspiciously like Weinmanns. Also: while raiding the local bike shop's back room, I found a Sears 3-Speed wheel. The hub is marked Sears hub model 503.21, 3-Speed 64. Any interest in these things? 36-spoke wheel, what appears to be 26x1 3/8-in steel rim. Thanks again!




Subject: Raleigh Sprite
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 09:33
Entered by: JimB

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The Raleigh Sprite was a touring 10-speed from the late-60's early 70's period. It looks like a 70's 10 speed, but with fenders. I have the brochure for it at home and will check to see what it says.




Subject: Stuff For Raleigh DL-1
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 10:57
Entered by: Bobby

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I would like to locate the following for my DL-1: Front fender with stays Chain guard Brake shoes Inner tubes. Thank you, Bobby




Subject: Brakes For BSA
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 11:00
Entered by: Bobby

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Recently I purchase an old BSA frame. It has tiny cantilever bosses. Would anyone know where I might find the brakes to fit this thing? Bobby weiss@cath-mail.int-med.uiowa.edu




Subject: Bobby's BSA frame
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 12:55
Entered by: Russ

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Bobby, Should you decide to part with the BSA frame, I would be interested in learning more about it!




Subject: 1932-33 Man's Raleigh
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 15:11
Entered by: JimB

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I just picked up an interesting bicycle this past weekend. According to the Raleigh serial number info, I dated the frame to 1932-33. The rear hub appears to be original because all it says is "Sturmey Archer", "AW", and "patented". There are no date codes on the rear hub. The bike has 26 X 1 3/8 inch wheels, rod brakes, Dynohub, front and rear lights, pump braze-ons, and full chain cover. I plan to do a total restoration including repaint, rechrome, re-stripe, and re-decal this winter and will ride it next spring. Does anyone know what the pump looked like? I would image it was black rather than chrome due to the small amount of chrome on this bike. Also, does anyone have the red rear lens? Mine is gone.




Subject: RE: Brakes For BSA
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 15:10
Entered by: JimB

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Those little "cantilever" things are probably the remnants of what are commonly called "rod brakes" or "roller lever brakes". Good luck finding replacement parts other than brake pads. Even the pads are getting very difficult. American Cyclery in San Francisco is about the only place I know that stocks them.




Subject: 1932-33 Brooks Saddle Question
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 16:15
Entered by: JimB

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The 1932-33 Raleigh I purchased has a Brooks B66 saddle on it. The saddle is designed so you can unbolt the various components. Does anyone know if this is the original saddle that came with this bike? If so, does anyone have a source that can restore or replace the leather?




Subject: Brakes For BSA
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 17:46
Entered by: Bobby

Message:
[Please see previous posting, today's date.] The brake bosses are threaded braze-ons located high up on the fork [one on each blade] and high up on the seat stays [one on each side]. They look just like the bosses on today's mountain bikes, except they are smaller in diameter. Too small for the Mafac ones somebody sold me. So I don't think these are "rod brakes" or "roller lever brakes" as Jim B. suggests. But thanks for the suggestion re: new pads, I think I'll pick up a set for my DL-1. Bobby




Subject: Toms' 1950 Raleigh Record Ace/Decals
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 22:04
Entered by: Todd H

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Tom, I too am restoring an old Raleigh. Mine is a 1967 English Roadster. I have been asking everyone how I can restore the paint job, specifically the decals. I finally came across the following site, "micromark.com". Now if you can make out enough of the original decals to get a tracing of them, you can contact micromark and order a set of decal paper. Then take your tracings to a graphic artist to have the tracings scanned into an artwork program, and they can then add the color to the decals as you tell them it should be, and even print the decals onto the decal paper. I am about to take my tracings in tomorow so I can't yet vouch for how it will turn out, I am confident though that I will be succesful in my restoration project. I hope I have helped. Todd H.




Subject: RE: Todd
Entered on: Sep 3, 1997 11:27
Entered by: JimB

Message:
If you happen to get the "Guaranteed English Lightweight" decal (on seatpost) reproduced, I would be interested in buying some from you.




Subject: RE: Raleigh Sprite
Entered on: Sep 3, 1997 11:45
Entered by: Martin

Message:
I have two Sprites, and they are both 5 speeds. One has a Sturmey Archer S5 hub and the other has a derailleur. Also the former has 26" wheels and the latter 27" wheels. Do you know which size wheels your frame is suited for?




Subject: Lights
Entered on: Sep 3, 1997 14:04
Entered by: Martin

Message:
Does anyone know where I can get a replacement bulb (6Volts,0.04Amps) for my tail light? This is for a standard 1950's Raleigh lighing system run by a GH6 Dynohub. I also could use some tail light parts if anyone's got 'em.




Subject: Any tips on fixing flat on bike w/rod brakes?
Entered on: Sep 3, 1997 19:28
Entered by: Bob Hufford

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I just picked up my first rod-brake bike (a '78 Raleigh Tourist) and have to either repair or replace the rear inner-tube. Any hints, tips, gotchas on attempting this while dealing with the rod brakes? If I do indeed need the tube, does anyone know of a source (28" x 1 1/2")? Thanks for your help.




Subject: Dunelt Parts
Entered on: Sep 4, 1997 02:29
Entered by: Larry

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Looking for Dunelt Pedals and handle bar grips, correct lights to go with Dynohub. Did Dunelt make a tandem? Thanks, Larry




Subject: RE: Any tips on fixing flat on bike w/rod brakes?
Entered on: Sep 4, 1997 08:10
Entered by: JimB

Message:
I have not found any shortcuts. Briefly, you need to remove one rear pad and unfasten the rear brake stirrup, then disconnect the shift cable and unbolt the wheel. While in the wheel, make sure your rimstrip is still in good shape.




Subject: BB Spindle for Phillips Derailleur Bike
Entered on: Sep 6, 1997 00:27
Entered by: Jim

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I'm looking for a replacement spindle for a Phillips cottered crankset on a Phillips that has to be at least 20 years old. Are there any sources out there?




Subject: english stuff for trade in kc
Entered on: Sep 6, 1997 01:17
Entered by: calvert guthrie

Message:
If you're heading up to alan kinsey's des moines swap meet (9/12 evening & 9/13 all day) and plan on going through kansas city you may want to stop @ my bicycle yard sale......i can't make it to the des moines this year; i've too much home maintenance to do, but if you're looking for brit parts or american safety parts ('94 to '30), all my extras will be up on the front porch and in the front yard.......i'll be here minding the sale & hauling yard trimmings........call or email me if you've specific parts needs & also for directions..........cg/kc....816/363/4418.....& oh yes, i will have some of that useless balloonatic stuff......




Subject: old frames
Entered on: Sep 7, 1997 18:25
Entered by: Russ

Message:
You'll just love this one. I seek a 22 or 23-in frame from a British bike built originally for 26 x 1 3/8 wheels. I need the frame, forks, headset and crankset, if possible. Anyone got something cool and missing lots of parts? Looking specifically for a BSA, a Dawes, or a Rudge, but I can be tempted.....




Subject: RE: BB Spindle for Phillips Derailleur Bike
Entered on: Sep 8, 1997 10:00
Entered by: JimB

Message:
If the spindle is the same as on the Phillips 3-speeds from the 60's/70's, then I have quite a few of them. Get some measurements and contact me by e-mail.




Subject: F/S Vintage Raleigh parts
Entered on: Sep 9, 1997 09:54
Entered by: Ray (Wheelman1)

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Have a good quantity of vintage Raleigh parts for the English Roadsters. Send me your want lists or call me at 908-355-2978 after 7 east coast time. Ray




Subject: 1959 Royce Union "English" Roadster
Entered on: Sep 10, 1997 12:47
Entered by: Jamie

Message:
I recently picked up a Royce Union that I believe to be a 1959 model (that is what is indicated by the SA rear hub date at least). The bike is in ecellent condition and everything (except pedals) seems to be original. I found it an interesting bike because of the condition of the bike,the hand painted pinstriping and lettering on the bike (including "Made in Holand - Land of Bicycles"), and the headbadge. It has a SA 3 speed, Weinneman Jr. sidepulls, and a Union "matress spring" type vinyl saddle. It also has 26 inch wheels (but not the current MTB 26 inch size) and what I believe are the original Dunlop tires - also in excellent condition. I know that Royce Union bikes today are very inexpensive department store bikes and are distributed by Royce Union but made by other comapnies for them. Was this the case in 1959? I can tell the frame is not of the same level of quality (or weight) as a Raleigh of the same bvintage. with the 26 inch wheels, was this considered a "boys" bike (didn't all "adult" bikes have 27 or 28 in ch wheels in that era). Does anybody have any info on who actually made the bike for Royce Union. anybody have or know of a source for literature re: ads regarding this bike. Thanks in advance for any and all answers! Jamie




Subject: Tire pump for '78 Raleigh Tourist?
Entered on: Sep 10, 1997 13:28
Entered by: Bob Hufford

Message:
My newly acquired '78 Raleigh Tourist (28", rod-brakes) has a pump mounted on the down tube. The existing pump has a satin aluminum finish with red/white/blue striping on the handle. I'm not sure if it is correct for the bike. Does anyone know what pump originally came with this bike and where one might be bought?




Subject: JC Higgins 3 speed
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 08:34
Entered by: Phil

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We bought a JC Higgins 3 speed from Menotomy. It has a sturmey archer internal hub.. badge says JC Higgins and Sears & Roebuck CO. also regers to a german company. Seems everyone here is right to some degree!




Subject: Dunelt Vintage English Racer
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 13:40
Entered by: JimB

Message:
This past weekend, I started restoring a 1969 "candy apple red" Dunelt 3-speed that I bought from Menotomy last year. The fenders and chain guard are shot, but I couldn't pass up a beautiful red and gold English bicycle at a clearance price. This will be a total restoration of the frame, but the restored bike will become a vintage English racer. I have a pair of Jack Lauterwasser-style English drop handlebars, alloy rims, 4-speed hub, and little chrome racing fenders. Last night, I built the front wheel and the alloy rims made the wheel extremely light compared to a steel rim. Does anyone have an English alloy front hub they would like to sell? I have a steel one on there now. On another matter, what type of tires should I use on this project? It seems a shame to spend all that money on alloy rims and then install roadster tires. Is there a source for lightweight 26 X 1 3/8 inch EA3 tires in the US or Canada?




Subject: THE DEFIANCE!!!
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 15:58
Entered by: Martin

Message:
I have a quick question for all of you. I have an old English three speed called 'The Defiance.' It has a 1953 SA AW hub and Dunlop rims. The head badge just says 'The Defiance, England,' and the frame does not look like it was made by the Raleigh empire. Do you know anything about this bike or company? Even if you have never heard of this bike before now I would like to know about it. Thanks!




Subject: RE: Tire pump for '78 Raleigh Tourist?
Entered on: Sep 12, 1997 08:39
Entered by: JimB

Message:
I can't say about 1978, but I checked my 1973 Raleigh catalog and the Tourist model is shown with a plain silver pump (no stripes). In fact, it looks just like the pump on my 1971 Raleigh Sports. All it says on mine is "Made in England". Those pumps should be fairly plentiful in the used market.




Subject: Carlton Constellation Head Badge
Entered on: Sep 14, 1997 00:08
Entered by: Ralph

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I am restoring a Carlton Constellation road bike I have owned since new (approx 1977-80) and am looking for a head badge. I have heard that Carlton may have been owned at some point by Raleigh. Any information would be appreciated. Is the company still in existence?




Subject: The Defiance
Entered on: Sep 14, 1997 09:55
Entered by: Russ

Message:
Martin, I am unfamiliar with The Defiance, but it sounds cool! I am sort of curious about whether anyone has ever compiled a list of makers/brand names of all of these bikes. For instance, Sheldon Brown mentions Elswicks in his pages. My best friend's father had what I remember as a Prince Edward 3-speed (with really coooool lugwork, red and silver paint job).... So, who has what sort of stuff listed? Are we going to develop a comprehensive list of which bikes are out there? Any ideas?




Subject: This Group
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 00:18
Entered by: David

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This discussion group is really helpful. You guys are cool! Thanks very much to Vin at Menotomy for maintaining this page.




Subject: Raleigh Sports 3-Speed
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 00:53
Entered by: Michael

Message:
Bought a used green Raleigh Sports womens's 3 speed for my wife to ride around Camp Lejeune when I was stationed there as a Marine in 1984. It's traveled around with us and I have come close to using hand-to-hand combat skills beating garage sales nuts from walking off with it. It has some pitted/scratched paint but is in ok shape. What's involved with restoring a bike like this?




Subject: List of English 3-speed brands
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 08:57
Entered by: JimB

Message:
It would be virtually impossible to compile a list of all brand names that appear on English 3-speeds. We can do the major brands, but Raleigh would put any name you want on the bikes if you ordered 100 or more. That means every department store and major bike distributor had their own brand.




Subject: RE: Carlton Constellation Head Badge
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 12:15
Entered by: JimB

Message:
Contact Bicycle Classics 1329 Highland Ave, Needham, MA 02192-2616; Phone: (617)455-0590 and see if they have one for sale.




Subject: CWS Cycle Works Tyseley, Birmingham
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 17:13
Entered by: Joan

Message:
I just found a bike with above insignia at garage sale. Curious to know anything at all about and may be interested in selling. In perfect condition, has steel parallel handle shaft brakes, Sturmley Archer hubs, and derailer, is black with original gold pinstriping? around fender edges... matching rat-trap, and a has a Dupont rubber-coated fabric spring seat. Please advise if you have any information on age and or value. Thanks.




Subject: help
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 18:45
Entered by: george

Message:
trying to find any info on a BUFFAlo KING bike . Seems to be a racing bike. Icannot find a year on it wood wheels and avery hard seat!!!!!!




Subject: help
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 18:45
Entered by: george

Message:
trying to find any info on a BUFFAlo KING bike . Seems to be a racing bike. Icannot find a year on it wood wheels and avery hard seat!!!!!!




Subject: The Buffalo King
Entered on: Sep 16, 1997 08:02
Entered by: calvert guthrie

Message:
The Buffalo King was made in Buffalo, NY from 1898 to 1900 for the Wm. Hengerer Co. by the George N. Pierce Co. (source: Collecting & Restoring Antique Bicycles, G. Donald Adams, 1996, Burgwardt Pedaling History Museum)




Subject: Fork-Mount Light Bracket?
Entered on: Sep 16, 1997 19:04
Entered by: David

Message:
Does anyone have a headlight bracket that mounts on the front fork, in whatever condition, that they would sell for a reas. price?




Subject: J C Higgins 3 speed hub
Entered on: Sep 18, 1997 15:27
Entered by: Randy

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I have a JC Higgins 3 speed hub. It appears to be in excellent shape. I think its a 1962 model. Ive never seen one before. Is it rare? Anyone need one?




Subject: OLD RALEIGH SUPER LENTON
Entered on: Sep 19, 1997 02:00
Entered by: KEVIN

Message:
I HAVE A SUPER LENTON WITH A NUMBER ON THE SEATPOST 409 MV. IT HAS CHROME FENDERS WITH DOUBLE SUPORTS FRONT & REAR. A DYNO HUB WITH A CHROME HEAD LIGHT AND PLASTIC TAIL LIGHT . IT IS BURGANDY AND CREAM IN COLOR WITH GOLD PINSTRIPING. THE HAND BRAKES ARE OLD FASHONED LEAD AT BOTH ENDS OF THE CABLE WITH CHROME HAND LEVERS FASHONED LIKE NEWER RACING 10 SPEED IT ALSO HAS A RALEIGH BELL AND KICKSTAND WITH RALEIGH LOGO. IN ADDITION TO BOTH HAND BRAKES IT HAS A FOOT BRAKE. ANY WAY TO TELL DATE. ALSO LOVE OLDER BIKES ABOUT 20 FROM THE FIFTIES. I USED TO FIX UP BIKES IN FAIRFAX CO. FOR THE ADOPT A FAMILY PROGRAM .




Subject: raleigh 3 speed tourist
Entered on: Sep 19, 1997 13:49
Entered by: larry

Message:
I have this 3 speed raleigh that is almost like brand new.It has been kept indoors exclusively. the only thing it may need is new tires/tubes. It is for sale to the highest, reasonable, bid...




Subject: Starting the compilation of nameplates on English bikes....
Entered on: Sep 20, 1997 17:36
Entered by: Russ

Message:
Okay, because I'm feeling brave and stupid, I thought it might be fun to enumerate all the British roadster nameplates seen. I know, it's an awful lot like going trainspotting, but here goes.... Apart from the usual Raleighs, I see listed on this page Rudge, Rudge-Whitworth, BSA, Dawes, Humber, Phillips, Dunelt, Triumph, Hercules, Robin Hood, The Defiance, Carlton, Elswick, CWS Cycle Works, Royal Scott....let me add Windsor, as in an ancient ladies frame model I saw hanging in a guy's workshop yesterday. Maybe we can come up with a cyberprize for the rarest old Brit Bike reported on line....




Subject: robin hood parts
Entered on: Sep 20, 1997 23:42
Entered by: Steve

Message:
Russ, if you can help me out here, I'd appreciate it. I got my bike from a junkyard, and while rideable, it's pretty far gone. I'd like to restore it completly, but right now, I don't even now if it's a three speed or not. Any info you can post on my bike and the accessability of origional parts would really be appreciated. After going over the bike the other day, the only origional parts remaining I'm sure of are the frame and the crank for the pedals. My sons name is Robin, and someday I'd like to give him a beautifully restored bike with his name on it. Any helps appreciated.




Subject: robin hood parts
Entered on: Sep 20, 1997 23:48
Entered by: Steve

Message:
Russ, if you can help me out here, I'd appreciate it. I got my bike from a junkyard, and while rideable, it's pretty far gone. I'd like to restore it completly, but right now, I don't even now if it's a three speed or not. Any info you can post on my bike and the accessability of origional parts would really be appreciated. After going over the bike the other day, the only origional parts remaining I'm sure of are the frame and the crank for the pedals. My sons name is Robin, and someday I'd like to give him a beautifully restored bike with his name on it. Any helps appreciated.




Subject: robin hood parts
Entered on: Sep 20, 1997 23:49
Entered by: Steve

Message:
Russ, if you can help me out here, I'd appreciate it. I got my bike from a junkyard, and while rideable, it's pretty far gone. I'd like to restore it completly, but right now, I don't even now if it's a three speed or not. Any info you can post on my bike and the accessability of origional parts would really be appreciated. After going over the bike the other day, the only origional parts remaining I'm sure of are the frame and the crank for the pedals. My sons name is Robin, and someday I'd like to give him a beautifully restored bike with his name on it. Any helps appreciated.




Subject: brit bike list
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 00:48
Entered by: calvert

Message:
& how can we overlook Sunbeam, Royal Enfield, Holdsworth, New Hudson, Hetchins, Sun Cycles, Mead, Armstrong, Keystone, Norman, Gazelle, Halford, Claud Butler.........




Subject: brit bike list
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 01:06
Entered by: calvert

Message:
& how can we overlook Sunbeam, Royal Enfield, Holdsworth, New Hudson, Hetchins, Sun Cycles, Mead, Armstrong, Keystone, Norman, Gazelle, Halford, Claud Butler.........




Subject: And...
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 09:04
Entered by: kath

Message:
Royal London, Scout




Subject: RE: robin hood parts
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 09:06
Entered by: JimB

Message:
I'm quite familiar with Robin Hood since I have one in my garage. It's a middle grade English 3-speed that peaked in popularity in the 1960's. Check the rear hub for a date code (example: "12 63" means if was made in December 1963). Robin Hood used Enrich rims (rectangular cross section versus peaked for Raleigh style rims) and most other parts are interchangeable with other 60's 3-speeds. Robin Hoods are not worth spending money to fix up in my opinion. Unless you have some attachment to the specific bike, I would suggest you shop for a bike in better shape at a garage sale. If you absolutely must have the Robin Hood restored, look for a bike with Enrich rims (such as Phillips) in nice shape and transfer the parts to the Robin Hood frame. Don't forget to rebuild the Robin Hood head set and bottom bracket before you start the rebuild.




Subject: Rebulding English Cottered Crank Bottom Bracket
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 09:18
Entered by: JimB

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This is information those of you with English 3-speeds can use. I have done this well over 20 times and have the process down now. Start by removing the pedals from the crank arms using a pedal wrench or an old cone wrench. Remove the nuts and bolts from the cotters and liberally soak the cotter bolts with penetrating oil. Get a 3/8 inch socket that fits over the cotter bolt and place it on a piece of wood that is high enough to clear the chain ring. Place that socket on the wood, slide the end of the cotter bolt into the socket and firmly whack the threaded part of the cotter. After a few whacks, the cotter will fall free. Do not do this without the wood support or you will damage the bottom bracket. Do the other side and remove the crank arms from the bike. Next, take a broad screwdriver and gently tap on the locking ring to unscrew it from the bottom bracket. Using a cone wrench, unscrew the bearing cup from the bottom bracket. The crank axle and all the bearings will come tumbling out. (continued in next message)




Subject: Rebuilding Bottom Brackets (continued)
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 09:30
Entered by: JimB

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Now you have a pile of parts. Use SOS Junior pads and water to scrub the chrome parts. Dry them well, then wax them with car wax. You can clean the bearing cup, axle, and ring with mineral spirits, then again using the SOS pads and water. If you want them cleaned up even more, use some Semichrome polish to make them like new again. You should replace the bearings and cotter bolts with new ones. American Cyclery in San Francisco can get English cotters and Bike Nashbar sells bags of the loose bearings for a few dollars a bag. After cleaning with mineral spirits, carefully grease the inside of the bearing cup in the frame with a high quality bicycle grease. Carefully place bearings into the cup until you complete the ring of bearings (don't underfill or overfill). Do the same with the cup that was removed. Insert the axle long end first into the cup in the frame and make sure it turns once it contacts the bearings. Screw the cup in the other side until it is firm. Back it off slightly until the axle turns fairly easily. Clean up any extra grease and install the locking ring hand tight. (continued next message)




Subject: Rebuilding Bottom Brackets (continued again)
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 09:43
Entered by: JimB

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Now slide the crank arms over the ends of the axle making sure you put the chainring on the side opposite the removable bearing cup. Loosly fit the cotters, install the cotter washers, and finger tighten the nuts. Keep it this way until you have the rest of the bike (wheels, chainguard, etc) restored and back on the bike. There are cases when you may have to take the crank arms back off again, so don't tighten them now. Assuming everything is restored and you are ready to do final adjustments on the bike, use a cone wrench to adjust the removable bearing cup until the axle rotates without binding, but there is no slop in the axle. Gently tap the locking ring with a hammer and screwdriver until it is firmly screwed against the frame. Take a hammer and gently tap the cotters until they are well seated, then tighten the nuts. Ride the bike for a while, then go back and readjust the removable bearing cup to take up any slop. You have just completed the second toughest job on an English 3-speed rebuild (rear hub restoration is the toughest).




Subject: Steve and the Robin Hood restoration
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 17:40
Entered by: Russ

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Steve, I am no expert on these things, and values fluctuate. For whatever it's worth, I have never paid more than $50 for an English roadster, if we exclude the costs of tires, tubes, cables, etc. I am inclined to agree with JimB, who is more knowledgeable about these bikes. At the same time, (gasp), if you take your time, you may find the stuff you need to make this one right, or you may find another one in better shape. Garage sales are a good idea, simply because these machines seem to survive pretty well in garages and basements, as opposed to the ones left outside in the elements. Good luck!




Subject: Cool stuff online re: English Roadsters
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 18:11
Entered by: Russ

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For whatever it is worth, I stumbled onto a site that has the catalog from an August 1996 auction in England of cycles and cycle memorabilia. I recommend Lots 235-290 of the catalog at www.auctions-on-line.com/phillips/ault/96810 if you like the idea of drooling over odd old bikes that we somehow missed getting our covetous hands on!




Subject: More nameplates! Dursley-Pedersen
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 18:02
Entered by: Russ

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From perusing the above-cited site, let me add F.H. Grubb, Gloria, Hobbs of Barbicon, and the exquisitely English-sounding Dursley-Pedersen. Apparently, D-P manufactured a 3-speed hub system of their own, which I am frankly curious about. The same listing also includes references to Sturmey-Archer hubs I'd never heard of, including the KB, the K7, the KB4, the KB6, K3, and the model K (!). All of the afore-mentioned Sturmeys are 3-speeds, according to the list. There apparently was also a BSA 3-speed gear, which sounds intriguing.




Subject: robin hood
Entered on: Sep 23, 1997 00:08
Entered by: calvert

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Raleigh changed the name of its economy brand bike, the Gazelle to Robin Hood in 1943 (yes, raleigh built bikes during the war) This was done to avoid confusion with the Dutch-made Gazelle....years later Raleigh acquired the Dutch Gazelle company.....




Subject: robin hood
Entered on: Sep 23, 1997 00:16
Entered by: calvert

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oh yeah.....the Invicta, too..... & the Dursley-Pedersen was the inventon of a dane but built in britain w/ brit backing.....a modern variation is still being made i've been told....til @ least recently ....




Subject: buyers market
Entered on: Sep 23, 1997 20:59
Entered by: claudia

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gee, this discussion list is getting really long. wouldn't it be nice if the latest messages were at the top of the page? on to buyer's prices--i got a very good green 74 ladies raleigh sports at a thrift store for 19.95. put an expensive brookes leather saddle on it tho. at the same thrift store i found a german "spontane" for 9.95. it has great unpainted aluminum fenders and mostly usa parts like the grip shifer 3-speed hub. my third 3-speed is a "ranger" made in nottingham--don't know if it is a raleigh or not but has a great headbadge of a cowboy and oddly is called a chicago ranger.