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Subject: Rod Brake part needed
Entered on: Mar 12, 1998 07:27
Entered by: Tim (centerstrt@aol.com)

Message:
Hi folks, I'm looking for the nut and small bolt that pinch the two rods together coming down from the handle bars on a Raleigh DL 1 Tourist. The present one I have is stripped. The bolt has a small hole in it where the thin rod slips into. Thanks Tim




Subject: Rod Brake Parts
Entered on: Mar 12, 1998 13:22
Entered by: Bob Hufford (bhufford@mail.orion.org)

Message:
David posted back in February that he had some extra rod-brake parts. Give him a shout. davidd_dt@earthlink.net




Subject: Mercury!??
Entered on: Mar 12, 1998 21:49
Entered by: Jesse (birchk@island.net)

Message:
I own two Mercury bikes a courier 3 speed with 26 by 1 and 3/8 tires and a Atlantic cruiser with 26 by 1 and 1/2 tires I have heard no tell of these bikes in this dicussion area but they say made in England and were ditributed in Canada by woodwards they are both nice bikes, the courier has bent back forks so the wheel hits the peadals when it turns. does anyone know how to fix this without risking further dammage. any info on these bikes would be appreciated, thanks.




Subject: Releigh Record tires
Entered on: Mar 13, 1998 13:08
Entered by: David (dbuttra@intelsol.com)

Message:
Are Releigh Record tires (26 x 1 3/8) still being manufactured? If so, any suggestions on where to find them? And what do they cost? I can find plenty of sources for a comparable Kenda make but would really like to find the Records. Related to that is what would be a reasonable price on a decent used Record? In my area the Kenda's go for $14 - $15.




Subject: Re: Mercury!??
Entered on: Mar 13, 1998 14:45
Entered by: greg (ggroth9@xsite.net)

Message:
As far as your fork goes, if you are planning on using it, I would replace the fork. If you're planning on restoring it, and not riding it, I would straighten the fork. I'm assuming the fork is tubular, when the metal gets bent back and forth, it loses it's strength. It's not really worth one's physical well being on a part that could fail. I suppose if it's not bent too bad, it could be straightened, but if it's hittng when you turn it sounds pretty bad. Are there any ripples in the metal by the frok crown? If so, definately replace it before you ride.




Subject: Re: Mercury!??
Entered on: Mar 13, 1998 14:51
Entered by: greg (ggroth9@xsite.net)

Message:
As far as your fork goes, if you are planning on using it, I would replace the fork. If you're planning on restoring it, and not riding it, I would straighten the fork. I'm assuming the fork is tubular, when the metal gets bent back and forth, it loses it's strength. It's not really worth one's physical well being on a part that could fail. I suppose if it's not bent too bad, it could be straightened, but if it's hittng when you turn it sounds pretty bad. Are there any ripples in the metal by the frok crown? If so, definately replace it before you ride.




Subject: Sturmey-Archer 1902-1952
Entered on: Mar 15, 1998 12:38
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
In 1952, Sturmey-Archer put out a commemorative booklet celebrating the first 50 years of their history. I've scanned and edited this, and added it to my Web site. Check it out at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/sa50.html




Subject: Phoenix Area Bicycle
Entered on: Mar 16, 1998 00:23
Entered by: Kevin (adrsg@net-nerds.com)

Message:
Anybody out there around Phoenix, I was in Savers (Thrift Shop) at Thomas & 56th St. this morning. They have (had) a rod brake, women's frame, "Royal Cycle." The leather seat is shot but the only parys I saw missing was a brake pad or two. The decals are worn. It has some great parts! Interesting pedals and chain guard. I'm fairly sure it's pre WWII. Oh yea, its a single speed. The price is $49.99 but they are advertising 10% to 50% off everything on St. Patricks day. If anybody out there picks it up - let me know. Thanks, Kevin




Subject: dunelt
Entered on: Mar 17, 1998 17:34
Entered by: Geoffrey (parsons@jltc.army.mil)

Message:
My wife found a nice looking old English 3 speed at a thrift shop and I would like to know a few things about it. The SA hub is stamped with a 65. Where in the quality line up did this bike fall? Original purchase price? Value now? I would greatly appreciate any help.




Subject: RE: dunelt
Entered on: Mar 18, 1998 08:55
Entered by: JimB ()

Message:
If the rear hub is original, the bike you have is a 1965 Dunelt. Dunelt was in the middle ranges for quality. Actually, the only real differences between the medium and the higher ranges was was more in product features than in product quality. The brands in the higher range came with pumps, more pinstriping, better seat, more accessories, etc. I own two Dunelts, a 1966 and a 1969, and find them very durable and fun to ride.




Subject: More on Dunelt
Entered on: Mar 18, 1998 09:02
Entered by: JimB ()

Message:
The original purchase price in 1965 was probably under $60 and possibly under $50. Keep in mind that most bikes were priced in that range at that time. Its value today would depend on its condition, where in the US you try to sell it, whether it has rod brakes or not, and how you market it. They go from $10-15 at a garage sale to around $200 to someone who is wealthy and over 60 who wants to replace one they had when they were younger.




Subject: RE:26x1 1/2 (40-584)(650B) tires
Entered on: Mar 18, 1998 11:19
Entered by: richardhead (awesomecycles@montego.com)

Message:
This size tire is still available from J&B importersin a steet tread pattern w/gumwall.retail price is about $12.00..(Schwinn also called it S-4)




Subject: Bicycle auction
Entered on: Mar 19, 1998 09:23
Entered by: Dave ()

Message:
Just a reminder that Copake Auctions in Copake, NY will be holding their 5th annual vintage bicycle auction on April 18. They will also have a dawn to dusk bicycle and bikebits swap meet on April 17. $15. for a swap space. Copake is about an hour north of Poughkeepsie or an hour south of Albany right off Rte. 22 between Millerton and Hillsdale. There are about 400 lots of antique and vintage bikes, memorobilia, literature, etc. going up for sale. A catalog will be available.




Subject: Kyle's S-A drum brake woes
Entered on: Mar 19, 1998 10:05
Entered by: Ken (hinman@syrres.com)

Message:
I don't know if you got any response to your question, but here's my two cents. Without knowing anything about S-A drums, I'd say you have a mismatched brake lever. Try to find out if the lever you're using is correct for that brake. The most important thing when assembling a brake system of any sort is to be certain that the brake mechanism and the lever are compatible. You can get away with a lot of mix-and-match with bike parts (I've done it myself) but if you're not careful, you'll get bit! Witness the current "v-brake" rage in mountain bikes - the mechanical advantage of the brakes is twice that of typical cantilevers, but since you only have a limited amount of lever travel to play with and the same pad-to-rim clearance applies, they require levers that pull twice as much cable as their cantilever counterparts, and the net mechanical advantage (lever to rim) is unchanged. But using v-brakes with older-style levers would have the same effect as you describe, running out of lever travel before the brake really engages. The overall mechanical advantage is tremendous, but can't be utilized without setting the pad clearance to near zero. If the lever's leverage isn't the culprit, is there any chance that something is assembled incorrectly at the drum lever or cable anchor points that affects the leverage? Good luck.




Subject: 65 rudge sports
Entered on: Mar 19, 1998 16:43
Entered by: Denis (smdulski@erols.com)

Message:
I have a 65 chrome finish rudge sports nine speed. My SA internal hub works just fine. The problem is the deralluer(sp?) it won't move. does anyone out there have experience with these hybrids? Thanks




Subject: NYC bycicle stores
Entered on: Mar 19, 1998 16:50
Entered by: Denis ()

Message:
Does anyone know a good store in the New York City area that has knowledge in English Roadsters? Thanks




Subject: Looking
Entered on: Mar 20, 1998 15:12
Entered by: Peter (mullinp@edenbio.com)

Message:
I'm looking for a decent "English-racer"-style 3-speed for daily commute use. Simplicity and dependability a must. "Classic collector value" irrelevant. Are there any manufacturer's out there who produce new bikes in this style (besides Pashley)? ALso what does anyone here know about Hero bikes, particularly the "Jet" model? Any replies or info (by private e-mail to above address or to this list) would be appreciated. Thanks.




Subject: 40-hole westwood rims?
Entered on: Mar 20, 1998 15:22
Entered by: John (degrace@upei.ca)

Message:
Can anyone suggest where I might find a new or good-used 40-hole 28" Westwood rim?" 36-hole rims seem easy to come by, but I need a 40-hole to match the SA hub of a Philips roadster that I am restoring. Any helpful comments would be gratefully received. Thanks, John




Subject: phillips 3spd roadster
Entered on: Mar 21, 1998 09:56
Entered by: calvert (CYCLETRUCK@AOL.COM)

Message:
i've just acquired a phillips rod brake with a double top tube & a hercules hub...the quadrant is attached to the h/bar stem and the front hub appears to be h/d...does anyone know anything about Tube Investment bikes? did a herc hub usually come with the phillips?....(the Indian(american) Phillips has an S/A).....how do you date a herc hub or a Phillips bike?




Subject: RE: Hero Jet
Entered on: Mar 23, 1998 08:46
Entered by: kath ()

Message:
I think that is a Japanese 3-speed from the early 1970s... ???




Subject: Tires- Raliegh all steel
Entered on: Mar 23, 1998 14:56
Entered by: Marlene (samjdog2@aol.com)

Message:
My husband is seeking tires for his Raliegh All Steel- about 1949- He said he needed 28"x1-1/2" Dunlop to fit an F10 rim. I hope someone can help. Thanks, Marlene




Subject: RE:Tires- Raliegh all steel
Entered on: Mar 23, 1998 18:06
Entered by: martinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
You can find tires of the correct size at: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris_three.html I think you will have trouble finding real Dunlop tires though.




Subject: Monark Sportster
Entered on: Mar 23, 1998 20:09
Entered by: cyndi (ccharoenpong@getty.edu)

Message:
Hello. I was wondering if anyone has a Monark Sportster. I just acquired one at a garage sale and am very glad to have found this site.




Subject: Seventies Hockey Stick Chainguard for Raleigh Sport?
Entered on: Mar 23, 1998 22:54
Entered by: Bob Hufford (bhufford@mail.orion.org)

Message:
I'm trying to locate a hockey stick chainguard for a med-Seventies Raleigh Sport (women's) in silver color. Bob Hufford bhufford@mail.orion.org




Subject: NYC Bicycle Stores
Entered on: Mar 23, 1998 23:26
Entered by: Robert (moffett2@erols.com)

Message:
How knowledgeable do you want them to be? I don't know of any experts (yet), but parts and service can be found. Can you be more specific about what you're looking for?




Subject: RE: Great British Bike Weekend
Entered on: Mar 24, 1998 16:52
Entered by: martinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
Anyone here going to the Great British Bike Weekend?




Subject: Great British Bike Meet??
Entered on: Mar 24, 1998 19:43
Entered by: Chris S (silverspecial@rocketmail.com)

Message:
Where is this bike meet at? When is it? I for one am curious. Thanks




Subject: Bike meet
Entered on: Mar 24, 1998 19:46
Entered by: Chris S (silverspecial@rocketmail.com)

Message:
If anyone is going, I'm looking for a chainguard for a ladie's Phillips @1948-50 Rod brake. Oh- Sheldon, I found a bike for my wife, thanks. Chris S




Subject: Raleigh Choppers
Entered on: Mar 24, 1998 19:59
Entered by: James (u9701380@bournemouth.ac.uk)

Message:
Can anyone help me out? I am looking for info/pix of Raleigh chopper bikes anywhere on the web. Also,if anyone has a yellow Mk.II Chopper they want to sell,(and who is in England)-please get in touch. Cheers!




Subject: RE: Great British Bike Meet??
Entered on: Mar 24, 1998 20:05
Entered by: martinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
The details are posted in the Archived discussions: Nov. 17, 1997 through March 19, 1998. Search for 'weekend.' Cheers!




Subject: Raliegh Choppers on the Web
Entered on: Mar 25, 1998 08:17
Entered by: Bob Hufford (bhufford@mail.orion.org)

Message:
Check out http://members.tripod.com/~Chopperholick/index.html




Subject: Raleigh Superbe
Entered on: Mar 26, 1998 17:43
Entered by: Bill ()

Message:
Other than lights different saddle ect. does the Raleigh Superbe use the same design chainwheel as the Raleigh Sports model, birds in the circle?




Subject:
Entered on: Mar 26, 1998 18:19
Entered by: chris ()

Message:
yep




Subject: Raleigh Superbe chainwheel
Entered on: Mar 26, 1998 23:47
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (captbike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
The birds are herons. Sheldon "Not An Ornithologist, But I Play One On The 'Net" Brown Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-1040 FAX 617-244-1041 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris




Subject: Raleigh Front Wheel
Entered on: Mar 27, 1998 15:44
Entered by: Bill (Wakers3883@aol.com)

Message:
Need a front wheel 26in complete except tire to fit Raleigh Sports.




Subject: Need SA Parts
Entered on: Mar 27, 1998 15:54
Entered by: TimH ()

Message:
Anyone going to the Brittish Bike Weekend (or any other source). I'm in need of the following Sturmey Archer parts for FG hubs: K427AZ, K804/K804A, K401/K401A, K426, K413, K414, K402 Cones and complete indicator are critical for my project. timh@market1.com




Subject: CHEAP "English" Roadsters in India
Entered on: Mar 27, 1998 23:24
Entered by: Bob Hufford (bhufford@mail.orion.org)

Message:
Was surfing and ran across this. At first I thought it was a scale model. Wonder how much shipping from India would be? http://www.infobanc.com/cycle5.htm




Subject: NOS Dunelt
Entered on: Mar 28, 1998 16:26
Entered by: Fran (Dashiell@icdc.com)

Message:
On my way to work Friday I noticed a red DUNELT menís 3 speed hanging in the window of VIA BICYCLE (my LBS). Of course, I stopped to take a better look and saw that it was NOS the chainwheel still has the factory dressing on it. Here are the particulars: Red with gold lettering (large "Dunelt" on the downtube), 26" wheels, caliper brakes, "hockey stick" chainguard, as I stood there I compared it to my circa 1963 Huffy Sportsman (a Huffy British import) and they are very similar (fork crown, rear dropouts, etc.). I stopped in today and Curtis confirmed that it is NOS we checked the SA hub and found it to be a í63 or í64. Curtis also said that he has a womenís 22" Raleigh still in the original box. If anyone is interested in either call: Curtis Anthony @ Via Bicycle, 606 S. 9th Street, Philadelphia, PA 19147, PHONE (215) 627-3370. BTW Via Bicycle will be the venue for the show of rare and UNUSUAL British bikes next Saturday, April 4, during the British Bicycle Weekend [(215) 719-4669 for BBW info]




Subject: Matching pair of 30 year old bikes
Entered on: Mar 29, 1998 00:04
Entered by: Chuck (fredlud@aol.com)

Message:
I have a matching pair of early 60s Raleigh Sports for sale of trade: http://members.aol.com/Fredokra/bikes_for_sale.html




Subject: Information about a Bicycle
Entered on: Mar 29, 1998 22:20
Entered by: Bob (cocktail@sprint.com)

Message:
I have an old english bicycle, it has a plate with Hercules Bicycle and Motor CO Britannia W.K. Birmingham labeled on it. It has racing handlebars and looks like a European touring bike. Can anyone give me any info on it.




Subject: 40 hole AW
Entered on: Mar 31, 1998 10:39
Entered by: Wes (kinsler@okstate.edu)

Message:
Does any body have a 40 hole AW hub to trade for a 36 hole hub?




Subject: Talked to India, here's what he said.
Entered on: Apr 2, 1998 10:50
Entered by: Chris S (silverspecial@rocketmail.com)

Message:
The prices displayed are in US Dollars and they are real ! Unfortunately, we represent manufacturers and the prices displayed are for volume buyers only. The minimum purchase volume is 40 ft container. The manufacturer sells spare parts also, but again in volume. I am really sorry to disappoint you. Hope you understand my situation Best Regards Amit K Chatterjee Great Indian Bazaar - http://www.infobanc.com The Largest Catalog of Indian Products in the Net InfoBanc, New Delhi, India Tel: 91-11-6961886 Fax: 91-11-6854001 E-Mail: info@infobanc.com




Subject: Raleigh
Entered on: Apr 3, 1998 23:46
Entered by: Mark (ccbiggs@eagleweb.net)

Message:
I just aquirred a Raleigh Capri, It's a 10 speed and like new condition. Can anyone tell me about when it was made and a $ value ?




Subject: J.C. 3 SPEED LAIDIES ROADSTER
Entered on: Apr 4, 1998 15:55
Entered by: Carl (Spyder ray@.com)

Message:
Got a ladies J.C . Higgins 3 speed lots of chrome gears work cream & blue color. J.C Higgins carved in crank.Not sure of age . Will sell for $100 or B.O.




Subject: Raleigh Capri
Entered on: Apr 4, 1998 16:42
Entered by: Robert (moffett2@erols.com)

Message:
I have had a couple of Capris recently. They were somewhat different from each other,probably because one was newer than the other. They were both made by Raleigh USA,(Huffy), and are not particularly good or desireable. I would say that one of mine was an early '80's (made in USA), and one a late '80's model (made in Taiwan). If you like to ride yours, then it's a good bike for you.




Subject: Alloy vs. steel hub shells\Hercules question\and more!
Entered on: Apr 5, 1998 16:51
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
I've been browsing through Sheldon's website again, particularly the pages that reproduce the Sturmey-Archer commemorative booklet. One of the captions notes, "Alloy Shell now fitted to all medium, close, ultra-close ration and FW hubs ..." The booklet is dated 1952. My Dawes Realmrider has an FW dated 1962, and it LOOKS like a steel shell to me - and there are no markings to indicate it is alloy, something the older ones seem to have. When/why did S/A go back to steel shells on the FW, and did this happen with their other hubs, too? Next question; I have been rehabilitating a Hercules I bought a while back. This one has a Western Auto headbadge, but all other markings are Hercules. The hub shell indicates that it is a Hercules B Type 4. Now, I have read that BSA used an earlier S/A pattern for their gearhubs, and I am assuming that Hercules apparently did the same. Is this bike equipped with a differently marked KB4 Sturmey? Oh, and another question; Were BSA and Hercules gearhubs built by Raleigh at the Sturmey-Archer plant, or were they manufactured under license by those makers? I know, it's totally unimportant, but I thought it would be a nice question.




Subject: Classic 32/40 wheelset for sale!
Entered on: Apr 5, 1998 23:37
Entered by: Greg (Me2uNowell@aol.com)

Message:
Attn. Brit Bike Afficionados (is that Spanish or just spelled incorrectly...) Parting out (1) 1954 CWS, Tyseley, Birmingham (where else...) Brit ladies step- thru. Buy these wheels before I decide to keep 'em. Front: 32 spoke. Rear: 40 spoke. Rims: Dunlop 26x1-3/8 (narrow ones, sporting, not wide Raleigh big guys. Spokes: Galv. in fine shape. Rims: Chome perfect on rear wheel, few rust spots on braking surfaces on front. Both should clean and polish-up very well. Front hub: Bayliss Wiley almost as big as a Phil Wood. Seems perfect. Rear hub: 1954 SA AW 3-speed. Perfect running condition. Tires and tubes! Original Dunlop Champions (inflate hard mates) w/original tubes, valve stem caps, etc. You clean these babies up yourself for $45.00 US + UPS (snore) shipping. Armour-All the tyres for your next Concours or buy some IRC's and ride. Call Greg @ (617) 484-9306 in Boston area or e-mail: Me2uNowell@aol.com




Subject: Need a New (used) Bottom Bracket for your 3-speed?
Entered on: Apr 5, 1998 23:57
Entered by: Greg (Me2uNowell@aol.com)

Message:
Parting -out 1954 CWS ladies step- thru. Spindle and cups in perfect almost NOS condition. Raleigh threads (what else.) Mfg. by Bayliss Wiley, Purveyors to H.R.H.'s lowly subjects. Same fit spec's. as Raleigh BB's. Will fit any Brit 3-speed and Brit cotter pin fit crankset. Should run almost as smooth as Campagnolo Nuovo Record if you fit it properly. Yours for $25.00 US inc. Priority Mail shipping. 22 OEM bearings included! Call Greg @ (617) 484-9306 in the Boston area or send e-mail. Greg parts with no part before its time.




Subject: Suggestion of a new Concours category
Entered on: Apr 6, 1998 00:15
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
The Lazarus ... not a brand name, but a type. You know, the English roadster that you acquire that is sooooo ugly, rusty and battered that you buy it for parts, leave it in the basement, then one day out of sheer boredom you make it roadworthy ... but it's not worth a true restoration. My Western Flyer/Hercules is one example. I'm almost tempted to buy a ladies' frame JC Higgins built by Raleigh in '62 for another one. That one has its original metallic blue, a different shade of blue, and orange showing in various places. So ugly it's kinda cool. Okay. Who has the ugliest, rustiest Brit bike that can be taken out on the road? Don't all shout at once, now ...




Subject: Rear Rack Raleigh Superbe
Entered on: Apr 6, 1998 18:37
Entered by: Bill ()

Message:
Have a 1972 Superbe with matching rear rack. On the rack are the words Prestube Minor and then the patent numbers. Is this original Raleigh?




Subject: Rear rack Raleigh Superbe
Entered on: Apr 6, 1998 19:09
Entered by: Bill (Wakers3883@aol.com)

Message:
Have a 1972 Superbe with matching rear rack. On the rack are the words Prestube Minor and then patent numbers. Is this original Raleigh? Did all Superbes come with rear racks?




Subject: 1960's?? Raleigh Sport 3 speed womens bike
Entered on: Apr 7, 1998 08:51
Entered by: K. J. Fuller (kjrefulle@waveinter.com)

Message:
I'm looking for a decal set or where to purchase one for this bicycle and any information on what the name of the color green Raleigh used on these year bikes, it loks to be almost like a metalic olive drab (military green), but having a hard tme to match. Thanks, K.J.Fuller




Subject: Raliegh Colt
Entered on: Apr 7, 1998 20:52
Entered by: Greg C. (greg.culler@mailexcite.com)

Message:
I just picked up a Raliegh Colt at an eatate auction for $11.00. It seems to be all there and is in very good shape, grren paint and all of the decals. Does anyone have any idea what it is worth, when it was made, and how to restore it? Thanks Greg




Subject: RE:Raleigh Colt
Entered on: Apr 7, 1998 23:33
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
You can estimate the date of manufacture by checking the numbers stamped into the rear hub (e.g. 5 66 means May,1966). If it is indeed in very good shape then all you will need is some car wax for the paint and some non-scratch soap pads for the chrome. I would not go as far as repainting if that is something you had in mind since replacement decals are very hard to find. As far as value, I am not sure. I have found Raleigh Colts to be very durable machines - so there is value in that. I bought one for $20 once which I thought was a good deal. Good luck!




Subject: Any info on a 28" HvB 3 speed roadster
Entered on: Apr 8, 1998 13:27
Entered by: David (dbuttra@intelsol.com)

Message:
Want to know more about this girl's bike with a hand-cuff style lock, rear wheel spoke skirts, brazed on pump brackets and light generator brackets with Union front and rear lights with intergrated wiring. Ser. # is 379733. Has a Sachs Torpedo Dreigang 3 speed hub, made in Germany. I don't believe its very old but am curious who and where was it made. Its components are German, French and Holland. Decals are for a HvB since 1908 with the words "Origineel Merkrywiel". Maybe Dutch? Anybody know anything about this make?




Subject: Help identifying old bike
Entered on: Apr 8, 1998 16:34
Entered by: greg (ggroth9@xsite.net)

Message:
O.K., it's been a while since I've tried this, but does anyone out there have any info on Hercules bikes? I picked one up and am trying to identify it's manufacture date. The bike is a single speed (no date code on hub), and does not follow any of the identifying characteristics of a raliegh. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I will gladly supply more info if anyone can help out. thanks in advance greg




Subject: My "new" Raleigh
Entered on: Apr 9, 1998 11:32
Entered by: Ace ()

Message:
Was cleaning up and lubing my $11 Goodwill bike with foot brakes when a lady came up to me and said "Is that a folding bike?" I said "No, but I wish I had one!!" She said "I have one - do you want it?" I accepted without hesitation - she came back a few minutes later with a dusty folder with flat tyres -- it's a Raleigh 20 Model C with a Sturmey Archer 3 speed tranny -- I thanked her profusely, wrestled it into my shower stall and gave it a good scrub. Yesterday I lubed it and am in the process of shining it up -- it's a cute and sturdy little "Shetland Pony" of folding bikes! I need a manual, and am very happy I was in the "Right place at the Right Time!" Ace




Subject: DL1?
Entered on: Apr 9, 1998 12:01
Entered by: Joseph (Jhaller393@aol.com)

Message:
I have a rod brake Raleigh Tourist that I bought new around 1980. Can any of you knowledgable people tell me if this is the same as a DL1? If not, what are the differences?




Subject: '67 Roadster head tube badge
Entered on: Apr 9, 1998 13:15
Entered by: Todd (todd.hales@wcom.com)

Message:
I have a '67 Raleigh English Roadster without the head tube badge. How difficult are these to come by, and how much would one cost (unrestored preferably)? Any help is appreciated.




Subject: enclosed chain case
Entered on: Apr 9, 1998 13:47
Entered by: claudia ()

Message:
still looking for a raleigh enclosed chain case. from the number of bikes I've seen with no chain guards at all, there should be a pile of them somewhere. any leads appreciated.




Subject: enclosed chain case
Entered on: Apr 9, 1998 13:48
Entered by: claudia ()

Message:
still looking for a raleigh enclosed chain case. from the number of bikes I've seen with no chain guards at all, there should be a pile of them somewhere. any leads appreciated.




Subject: RE:enclosed chain case
Entered on: Apr 9, 1998 21:44
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
I saw one at Via Bicycle in Philadelphia last weekend. Give Curtis a call; (215) 627-3370. Cheers!




Subject: Need a New (used) Bottom Bracket for your 3-speed?
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 00:38
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
C.W.S. (Cycle Wholesalers Services) bikes were _not_ Raleighs, and Bayliss Wiley didn't make Raleigh thread (26 tpi) bottom brackets as far as I know. Bayliss Wiley is very good stuff, but is standard (24 tpi) BSC threading, and would fit right into a plastic Trek or any other standard frame, but will not fit most Raleighs. I believe they aren't even fully compatible with Raleigh chainwheels (slightly different diameter, different cotter-chainring distance.)




Subject: Re: Suggestion of a new Concours category
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 00:42
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (Whatchamacallhim@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
Not sure it qualifies as a "Lazarus", but I've got a Raleigh Sporst "Q ship", based on an early '50's frame, to which I've added a chaincase and an old top-tube quadrant shifter. To a casual observer it looks like an old roadster, but it's got light 27" alloy rims, 1" tyres, SW hub...it's a _lot_ faster than it looks!




Subject: Rear Rack Raleigh Superbe
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 00:44
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (Superbe@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
Yes, the Prestube rack came with the Superbe, along with the Dynohub, locking fork, B66 saddle.




Subject: 1960's?? Raleigh Sport 3 speed womens bike
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 00:45
Entered by: Sheldon Coffee (Green@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
The green color, sorry, colour was called "Bronze Green"




Subject: Re: Raleigh Colt
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 00:48
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (Colt@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
The Raleigh Colt was equal in workmanship to the Raleigh/Rudge/Humber Sports, but made for a smaller rider. It had a bent top tube to get the saddle lower (a foolish design, because they wouldn't provide standover clearance when sized that way.) They also had shorter cranks (5 3/4"?) and, I believe a shorter top tube.




Subject: Re: My "new" Raleigh
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 00:54
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (Twenty@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
I've long had a weakness for Raleigh 20s. Back in the '70's I had a hopped up one (alloy wheels, five speed hub, yada yada) that I used to use a lot, including a good deal of riding on hiking trails (which used to blow people's minds...most people didn't know bikes could negotiate hiking trails back then.) I've owned quite a few of them, and currently have a stripped down fixed-gear one with 120 psi Continental tires...more about this on my personal bike page: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bicycle.html The Raleigh Twenty is really a rather nice riding bike, considerably stiffer and better handling than other folders of it's era, though not to be compared with a Bike Friday




Subject: 26in tires
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 08:46
Entered by: Bill ()

Message:
Picked up a set of tires today from my LBS.They are Specialized Trisport Gumwalls and are beautiful.They really do look better than Kendas and cost only nine bucks each. Each of my four Raleighs will soon be wearing a set.




Subject: part numbers
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 10:42
Entered by: Dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
requesting help with part numbers,have mucho tree speed parts to be rid of but only havecharks forAW,AG, TCW, and GH6. So when folks quote part numbers to other hubs I can't help.I amy have just what they need but can't help. My quetion is there a hard bond parts director for all the S A hubs, and where can I get one. Please reaply to me and or the group Dan....




Subject: Philly English Bike Meet & Swap
Entered on: Apr 10, 1998 15:25
Entered by: dave (davehmn@sover.net)

Message:
Did anyone go to the Philly meet/swap. I was registered but the cold, lousy weather made us chicken out. At least it was cold and lousy where we were up in Vermont. How did it go? Inquiring minds want to know.




Subject: '62 Dunelt sport & '40's Phillips roadster
Entered on: Apr 11, 1998 09:56
Entered by: calvert (cycletruck@aol.com)

Message:
MEN'S '62 DUNELT SPORT Excellent original conditon red & chrome 21" frame $125 can deliver to ann arbor '40's MEN'S PHILLIPS ROADSTER DOUBLE TOP TUBE fair to good conditon black 22" frame $225 can deliver to ann arbor email me or call 816/363/4418




Subject: Eating Humber Pie
Entered on: Apr 11, 1998 11:17
Entered by: Greg (me2uNowell@aol.com)

Message:
Re: Sheldon Brown's clarifications/corrections on my recent post for Bayliss Wiley bottom bracket. Well of course he's absolutely bloody well right on the mark (as usual!) Took a fresh cup of Sat. AM coffee down into the grotto, pulled-out some NOS Raleigh bits and my micrometer. BB cups are 24TPI (BSC) not 26TPI (Raleigh). Bayliss Wiley spindle length fits 68mm BB shell (BSC) not 70mm (Raleigh). Spindle also measures 15.85mm dia. vs. Raleigh which came in slightly less at 15.75mm. Sheldon is correct across the board. Sheldon, post favorite beer/ale on site and a six will be hand-delivered to the shop. Amends must be made for posting such bogus info. on this fabulous site. Appologies to all. By the way, the 48T chainwheel which is quite elegant and with perfect teeth, swaged to a geniune 165mm "Economy- Made in England" crankarm, would be perfect for anyone wishing to fit a 5-speed set-up into a BSC road frame (I have the proper hub with long axle and shifting bits and matching left crankarm) or anyone who has always wanted to build-up a cottered fixed gear into same BSC frameset. All is not lost save face. Thanks also to Sheldon for CWS (Cycles Without (Raleigh) Spec's.) mfg. info. Respectfully, Greg.




Subject: Twenty-too
Entered on: Apr 11, 1998 19:57
Entered by: TimH ()

Message:
I too had a twenty. Took it touring in Hawaii Jan 1980. Left it for a week (so I thought) hidden in the bush near the airport while I went to another island. Came back to find the whole area bulldozed and the bike gone. :-( Had a nice set of Campy NR pedals on it too. Tim




Subject: Bayliss Wiley
Entered on: Apr 13, 1998 00:10
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
Harpoon India Pale Ale (I.P.A.)...I learned the hard way about Bayliss Wiley as a teenager in the late '50s, by trying to screw one of those cups into a Raleigh frame...wouldn't go! In fact, I discovered that they used preternaturally strong steel. When I got it stuck, I tried to grab onto the threads with a pair of Vise-Grips (Hey, I was just a kid!). I tried a bunch of times, adjusting the Vise-Grips tighter and tighter, squeezing with both hands, but they kept slipping. I then noticed that my Vice Grips had acquired threaded jaws...but the threads on the cup showed no sign of any damage.




Subject: Philly Britt
Entered on: Apr 13, 1998 11:50
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
yes what was the turn out for the Philly britt bash, how was the enogural(spl?) run? us sranded yankees want to know.Did anyone come away with a cockny accent or banger and mash on their breath? my first "Limie Show" was the baer minamum i had no truck and had to huff all my stuff over to the site i was using for the show. then hope and pray someone ealse would show up and that the rain would hold off.as it turned out one fella brought an ancient bike ricshaw from the MOT and two other bikes showed up later.The rain held of til this one guy who came late started pocketing small parts. but that was then and now the show brings in about two hundred bikes and at leased that many buyers (it's free to the public so nobody counts the walkabouts. so (plug,..plug.(( roll that buitiful be F your in the Boston area on th weekend of june 28 (sun) stop by the "Limie Show" in Sullivan Square Charlestown (the north west(next to Sommervillle) corner of Boston) SEE ya Dan....




Subject: RE: 26in tires from LBS
Entered on: Apr 13, 1998 13:19
Entered by: JimB ()

Message:
I'm interested in the Specialized gumwalls (instead of the Kendas). Can you tell me what LBS is and where it is located?




Subject: RE: The Great Brit Bike Weekend
Entered on: Apr 14, 1998 19:47
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
I was one of the lucky ones to attend and enjoy the festivities in Philly. Most of the weekend was spent biking around the city or, when taking a break, talking about our old English bikes. The hub of festivities was located in South Philly in and around Trophy Bikes and Via Bicycle - both wonderful stores for vintage bicycles! Mike McGettigan of Trophy Bikes was our fearless leader for most of the bike tours; he was very knowledgeable about the historical and current events of the city. Friday night included a 9 mile ride along the river with Curtis from Via Bicycles and a beautiful night to shepherd us. Saturday morning the weather was not as pleasant, but we still managed a 5 mile tour around historic Philadelphia. The weather improved for the Bike and Pub Crawl; it was great fun - say no more. Sunday was the anticipated swap meet. Although it was small, the meet was packed with British bikes and parts to look through. I even saw a Sturmey-Archer ASC hub change hands (those of you who prowl Sheldon's site know the significance of that). I did not have the time to go on the Bike-on-Rail trip to Chestnut Hill - maybe next year.




Subject: More on The Great Brit Bike Weekend
Entered on: Apr 14, 1998 19:50
Entered by: MartinH ()

Message:
The best parts of the weekend for me included the Sturmey-Archer hub clinic (I can take an AW apart now and even put it back together!), the amazing collections of British bikes - many of which I have never seen before, and finally the people that I met were knowledgeable and extremely fun. There are many nuts like us around! Well probably not too many, but there are some. By the way, I took some photos - if they come out, I will put some of them on my site - stay tuned.... Cheers, Martin




Subject: Specialized Tires 26 in
Entered on: Apr 15, 1998 17:53
Entered by: Bill ()

Message:
You can probably buy the above tires at any LBS(local bike shop). They inflate to eighty pounds are narrower than the Kendas and ride like you are on rails. They are Specialized Tri Sports.




Subject: Sturmey Archer Web Site
Entered on: Apr 17, 1998 22:21
Entered by: Fran ()

Message:
Sturmey Archer now has a Web-Site: http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Hubs, Brooks Saddles, and "technical leaflets in pdf files. Nicely done.




Subject: pair of all grey ersatz brit sport tires
Entered on: Apr 18, 1998 14:49
Entered by: calvert (cycletruck@aol.com)

Message:
i have two 24"x1.375" tires.....they're in good used condition with plenty of tread......the only draw back is that they're Yank-made & in that respect unauththentic.....however the graphics on the side of the tire look quite alot like an Avon tire (a very classy tread)which would "correct" for a brit bike.....these are Carlisles (made in Carlisle, Pa) and like most Carlisles, they really do look good.....esp. in rich light cool grey(NOT oxidation).......25USD & post is fair for the pair......i'm not too proud of them.....can deliver to ann arbor/grand rapids.....(greg, if you can use them they're yours) email me or call 816/363/4418......calvert guthrie, kansas city.......




Subject: Gray 24 " tires
Entered on: Apr 18, 1998 23:32
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
I don't think there really is such a size as "24"x1.375", more likely 24 x 1 3/8". It is never correct to change a tire size fraction into a decimal, or vice versa, due to the conventions of the obsolete sizing systems that used these designations. There are at least two different 24 x 1 3/8" sizes: 540 mm or 547 mm. The 547 mm size is called 1 3/8 in Schwinn terminology, but in the British system is would be 1 1/8". The U.S. 24 x 1 3/8 is 540 mm, and this size is actually more common on wheelchairs than on bicycles. The fact that the tires described are grey makes me quite sure they are wheelchair tires, not bicycle tires (though they'd work on a suitable-sized bicycle.) The gray is "non-marking gray" intended to avoid the problem of making black marks on floors. If you don't understand the tire sizing designations I mentioned, they are explained on my Web site at: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire_sizing.html




Subject: 24"X1.375" tires
Entered on: Apr 19, 1998 03:26
Entered by: calvert (cycletruck @aol.com)

Message:
Sorry, Sheldon, You lose on this one....believe what you want but 1.375 is what Carlisle choose to call these tires, not i & as you say it would be incorrect to change the size to something else however more believeable or familiar.....as for the wheelchair story it certainly sounds plausible though i've never seen a tire like this on a wheelchair just as i've never seen a wheelchair with endrick wheels and a s/a 3spd hub on one side......keep the beer this time---sooner or later you'll be setting me straight on another issue...




Subject: Brit Bike Weekend Pictures
Entered on: Apr 19, 1998 14:34
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
As I feared, only a few pictures are presentable due to camera troubles. Oh well, at least you can get a taste for what the event was like. I promise that I will take better camera precuautions next year... The pictures can be viewed on my bike site at: http://beagle.biology.yale.edu/~hanczyc/britwe.html




Subject: wheel chairs and Sturmey Archer ...
Entered on: Apr 19, 1998 23:16
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
Ah, but I have seen a (sort of) wheel chair with not only an AW hub, but a hub brake as well! Little bitty chainring hand cranked rascal, with a tricycle layout. I just got back from the concours/swap meet/etc. in Greensboro, and unlike Martin, I forgot to take a camera at all! Pity, 'cause there was this Ferris roadbike with cool lugwork, 4-speed Cyclo-Benelux derailleur, etc. Not much Sturmey stuff there ... except in the load of stuff I got, which will be exhibit A at my commitment hearing. What appears to be an English tandem, make unknown, allegedly pre-WWI, with a different trigger shifter than I am used to and a black finished SA hub ... marked FX59175 on one side, a zig-zag banner with Sturmey Archer 3-speed gear ... is this one of the fabled X-hubs? The left-side nut looks almost long enough to be a mounting peg ... Oh, and the bike also came with a bag of what appear to be clamp-on Resilion cantilevers and other oddments.




Subject: more oddities ....
Entered on: Apr 19, 1998 23:20
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
... I should also mention that the only thing about the tandem that is together is the bell (which works!). From a different individual I acquired a Bayliss-Wiley front hub with a detachable, replaceable oil filler and the coolest old wingnuts ... Did Bayliss-Wiley make racebike parts?




Subject: chain case
Entered on: Apr 21, 1998 16:42
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
Claudia, did you ever find a chail case? I have a few in boston, ma. usa new and used you do need the propper type of frame to mount one on. or easle drill and tap a hole in your frame.




Subject: 24"
Entered on: Apr 21, 1998 17:10
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
well the kettle is on let me let you all know i have in my possesion one pair of 24" raleigh wheels (no tires) the rear has a 1955 TCW (tree speed/couster brake) hub + three white raleigh rear fenders with top down bolt thru frame front mounts fourties vintage i think and a raleigh decal on them (black on silver) Now any of you folks who have been into three speeds for a long time know, the only thing rarer than 24"three speed parts is someone to sell them to. so atention world if any of you actualy need this stuff NAME YOUR PRICE>>YES I"M SCEAMING<< i've only seen four 24" raleighs in my intire adult life this does not mean to implie that they are valuable just rare so let me know if your want any of this stuff.Dan...




Subject: asc
Entered on: Apr 21, 1998 17:12
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
please please what is a asc hub? hamer mechanics have a rite to know too. dan




Subject: Raleigh Tourist/stability
Entered on: Apr 21, 1998 18:46
Entered by: Dan (extant@rust.net)

Message:
Have reconditioned a Raleigh Tourist and went for my first test ride. My question is how stable are these bikes normally? I was not able to ride hands free as I can with most of my bikes. I should note that the fork was out of alignment and I did have it realigned at a bike shop that still had a fork straightener. I also have a Raleigh Folder that is also unstable but I've always assummed that it was because of the design. Anyone who has experience with riding a Tourist I would be interrested in your comments. Just curious. Also does anyone know much about a bike swap meet in Saline MI on Sunday April 26. I don't think there is much activity with Brit Bikes but I could be wrong. Dan




Subject: ASC
Entered on: Apr 21, 1998 23:40
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (ASC@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/asc.html




Subject: RE: Raleigh Tourist/stability
Entered on: Apr 22, 1998 12:52
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
Hi Dan, my Raleigh Tourist is very stable, and I am able to ride with no hands (Look! Mom....) Riding hands free is a nice, quick test to see if a bike is bent somewhere. Even if the frame is bent, sometimes one can compensate by bending the forks - you bend the forks in the direction that you have to lean to compensate for the instablility. Also make sure that your front wheel is centered correctly on the bike before you go bending the forks. Good luck!




Subject: More on the Raleigh Colt
Entered on: Apr 22, 1998 12:57
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
It has been my opinion that the Colt was produced to attract the younger American market. The frame is smaller than the Sports and the top tube is arched like many popular American bikes. Also there is a decal of a horse on the bike - what American youth does not like horses??? My $0.02.




Subject: Rod brake parts for sale: wheels, rims, bars, linkages
Entered on: Apr 23, 1998 20:22
Entered by: Mark (mcbattany@mailexcite.com)

Message:
Have quite a bit of rod-brake items to sell; here's a summarized list: New super-heavy duty rims, tires and spoke for one pair of wheels: $60 Used Phillips handlebar and complete brake components: $45 Used English 28" front and rear wheels, 3 speed Sturmey, tires: $60 New Asian handlebar and complete brake components: $25 Phillips cottered crankset: $10 Send me an e-mail and I'll return a detailed description of everything. Shipping extra on all items. I'm in Davis, CA.




Subject: Re: Mercury
Entered on: Apr 24, 1998 01:00
Entered by: Phil (philip@realestate.commerce.ubc.ca)

Message:
Hi Everybody, I'm about to fix (and then ride) a Mercury bicycle. It, too, was purchased at Woodward's (a local dept. store chain). It was bought for my older brother in 1959. It has a Hercules hub (marked "58 10" - likely date of manufacture), Hercules bottom bracket, and Dunlog rims. My father thinks it might be a Hercules bike but it does have a nice metal name plate on the head tube that says Mercury Cycles - Made in England. My question: anybody know whether Hercules built bicycles sold under regional brand names? And, if it has a hercules hub and bottom bracket, is it likely to be a Hercules bike? Thanks, Phil. Vancouver, B.C.




Subject: Raleigh 3 speed
Entered on: Apr 24, 1998 08:02
Entered by: Larry (mhoff@ aol.com)

Message:
I am looking foe a black 3 speed ladies bike in exellent shape. It does not have to be old, just in really pretty shape.




Subject: Raleigh 3 speed
Entered on: Apr 24, 1998 08:03
Entered by: Larry (mhoff@ aol.com)

Message:
I am looking foe a black 3 speed ladies bike in exellent shape. It does not have to be old, just in really pretty shape.




Subject: Raleigh 3 speed
Entered on: Apr 24, 1998 08:14
Entered by: Larry (mhoff@ aol.com)

Message:
I have a Raleigh club deluxe, green , alloy rims full dress and a built in hub generator, can any one tell me about it. I think it was assembled in Norway. It is a coaster 3 speed




Subject: Raleigh 3 speed
Entered on: Apr 24, 1998 08:15
Entered by: Larry (mhoff@ aol.com)

Message:
Is it worth rebuilding rear hus, and who does it?




Subject: WTB womans three speed
Entered on: Apr 24, 1998 09:26
Entered by: dan (dfield)

Message:
Hi Larry, If by chance your in the new england area chech out the "Limie Show" in Boston (see shows and swaps on this site) you'l find a bike there.




Subject: Moorland
Entered on: Apr 25, 1998 22:13
Entered by: Thomas ()

Message:
My wife recently purchased a Moorland bike in a garage sale. The bike's frame says made in England. Iwould like to know what city of production and if this company still exists. The bike is a ten speed so I am aasuming it was made in the 70's or early 80's.




Subject: Raleigh Sports Womens 3 Speed Early 60's ?
Entered on: Apr 26, 1998 09:04
Entered by: Kevin J. (kjrefuller@waveinter.com)

Message:
I'm looking for the color name of the metalic green used on this particular bicycle and also a decal, emblem, and cap nut set with the R emblem in them and a price list if possible for these items.




Subject: Flying Pigeon
Entered on: Apr 26, 1998 23:24
Entered by: chuck (fredlud@aol.com)

Message:
Hello all. Does anyone have any info on Flying Pigeon bicycles. A friend picked one up in Amsterdam and was curious about when and where they are from. It's a 1 speed with 28 inch wheels. China, Japan or ...? Are they still manufactured and where? Nothing hints on the decals that are still readable, thanks, Chuck Fred




Subject: Raleigh 3 Speed/Flying Pigeon
Entered on: Apr 26, 1998 23:54
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
The metallic green on older Raleighs was called "Bronze Green." Flying Pigeon is probably the most common bicycle model in the world, it is the standard bicycle in China.




Subject: Flying Pigeon head badge
Entered on: Apr 27, 1998 00:13
Entered by: chuck (fredlud@aol.com)

Message:
Hello all again. If you want to see an image of that Flying Pigeon's head badge, go here: http://members.aol.com/Bikeofile/flying_pigeon.htmll




Subject: Sturmey Archer K hubs (part #1)
Entered on: Apr 27, 1998 21:00
Entered by: Mark A. (sonm@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)

Message:
Here's one a problem that I've talked about individually with several regular contributors to this forum, and they've almost all advised putting the issue to the entire forum community for help. So here it goes: I've got a Sturmey-Archer K hub; it's a KB to be precise and, thus, is combined with a hub brake. It is stamped "KB 7" indicating that it is, more than likely, a 1937 hub. Okay, so far, so good. Now, it is on a Raleigh DL-1 which I believe to be the same bike that the hub came on since the machine seemed relatively complete and original when I came across it a few years ago (but who know?), Now, the shifter on the top tube is a 2-speed SA shifter with only "low" and "normal" positions (and it's been on that top-tube for a very LONG time). Also, when I hook the hub up to a regular SA 3-speed trigger for an AW hub, I still can only get 2-speeds out of the hub. (end #1)




Subject: Raleigh Tourist forks
Entered on: Apr 27, 1998 21:47
Entered by: Paul (randa@lakenet.com)

Message:
I just linked in from the fredlud website. Amazed to see anyone else cares about this stuff. I've rode and worked on friends Tourists since 74'. Here's my thoughts on Dan's inquirey on 4/21. Misaligned forks are common for the DL-1. They do a big part to help give that gentlemenly smooth ride. The extra long fork blades needed to wrap around the 28" wheel can loose alignment easier then forks on 26" wheel models. Front Dyno-Hubs bouncing around way out there will eventualy increase the rake. Later Tourists often came out of the box with a misaligned fork. This would be 1985 on. These forks included fender stay eyelets. I set up four bikes out of the box in 86', boxes showing no damage but the Tourists all had bent forks and seat stay member both. The good news is contrary to others opinions I have never seen any Dl-1 fork fail after being straightened. If a fork has been straightened a few times it might soften up and loose it's tune a little sooner but thats about it. The only bent frames Iv'e seen on these bike were like reeeaally bent. I would like to extend on Martins point about making sure the front wheel is centered in the fork. The bike will not track if the rear wheel is out of dish or alignment ether. You cannot tell this by simply looking to see if the wheel is centeredbetween seat and chain stays. Seat stay frame sections may be subtly out of line. Dish the rear wheel then center it between chainstays. Look or measure the space between rim and seatstay. If the seatstay is off they arn't hard to bend. Leave it bolted in the bike put a piece of wood on the bent below the bridge and whack the wood with a hammer. I'm lucky to have two Park fork straightners set up for opposite sides, great for seatstays and forks. Alot can be done for fork without taking the front wheel out. Whenever refurbishing a Tourist the forks always get set up in a jig and usually need an adjustment. Before the brakes can get a good tune the wheels need alinment in the frame anyway but thats another subject. Happy May day everybody.




Subject: F W
Entered on: Apr 27, 1998 23:03
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
F S F W four speed left hand axle nuts ( NOS) 5.00 EA or three for 12.00 IMHO no you don't actualy need one for your hub to work. While supply last...dan..




Subject: Raleigh MOUNTIE Bike
Entered on: Apr 28, 1998 16:33
Entered by: Mike (bishop2 @erols.com)

Message:
I acquired a childs bike called the mountie and want to try restoring it. It appears it may have had a hard red plastic seat which is missing. Any knowledge of what it was , where to get one or anything else about the bike would be appreciated.




Subject: Boy, that guy sums it up for me!
Entered on: Apr 29, 1998 08:40
Entered by: Matt ()

Message:
"Amazed to see anyone else cares about this stuff." Yeah, and I'm amazed, too. These bikes with their diamond frames and no character just don't interest me in the least! What is the draw??




Subject: Boy, that guy sums it up for me!
Entered on: Apr 29, 1998 08:45
Entered by: Matt ()

Message:
"Amazed to see anyone else cares about this stuff." Yeah, and I'm amazed, too. These bikes with their diamond frames and no character just don't interest me in the least! What is the draw??




Subject: Boy, that guy sums it up for me!
Entered on: Apr 29, 1998 08:46
Entered by: Matt ()

Message:
"Amazed to see anyone else cares about this stuff." Yeah, and I'm amazed, too. These bikes with their diamond frames and no character just don't interest me in the least! What is the draw??




Subject: Rudge Pathfinder Gran Prix spotted ....
Entered on: Apr 30, 1998 18:22
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
Call me sentimental. I saw a beautiful old 8-speed Rudge Pathfinder today, locked up out in a horrible downpour on the campus I work on. Filthy, flat rear tire, the Brooks B-15 exposed to the elements, and apparently all stock. I left a note for the owner telling him where I worked and that I would be more than happy to trade or buy the bike from him, as I rather suspect it is NOT owned by a fiend for old Britbikes, but is used as transport. I dunno. Leaving a nice old bike like that out in the rain bothers me, sort of like seeing someone kick a puppy or something ...




Subject: 4 speed cluster
Entered on: May 1, 1998 08:14
Entered by: Larry (mhoff@aol.com)

Message:
looking for a english threaded 4 speed rear cluster 1/8 not 3/32, for a Bates.




Subject: Sturmey Archer K hubs (part #2)
Entered on: May 3, 1998 17:15
Entered by: Mark A. (sonm@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)

Message:
(Part #1 of this message was posted 4/27/98) I do have a couple of exploded views of K hubs but, since my hub operates so well, I've thus far avoided taking it apart (a really scary proposition for me despite having rebuilt several AWs). Now here's the really interesting thing. Every K hub I've ever seen (7), including the ones pictured in SA service manuals, always say "STURMEY" "ARCHER" "3-SPEED" "ENGLAND," with each word occupying one of the four sections of the scrolled banner that was the standard hub logo during the period. But mine say just "GEARS" where the others say "3-SPEED." Has anybody ever seen this? Has anyone ever hear of a 2-speed K hub? Is this a special factory order hub? Is the shifter only intended for the T hub but was, in this case, somehow combined (for convenience, for economy) with a defective or broken K? All your ideas are welcome. Thanks much, and please forgive the split post.




Subject: re. K hub
Entered on: May 4, 1998 01:08
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
Yes I have (one only) a K-5 that say on it-sturmey-archer-3speed-gears-. I've never run this in anything, I don't even know where it came from. I was just going to sell it with an elledged 1936 girls raleigh I got last year that came with the wrong rear wheel. I just now took it completly apart (don't be scared it realy simple inside) it has a six legged clutch that apears to be very worn and when completly worn out should eliminate second gear? I can't find an indicator chain to fit this but it appears to first pull the clutch into second them pull the planet cage off theleft end driver. All I can say for sure is take it apart, as long as you don't do it over a storm drain you'l be allrite and you'l wonder why the later aw is so complicated (and big). good luck...




Subject: ... Rudge Pathfinder Grand Prix bought!
Entered on: May 4, 1998 17:42
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
Sorry, gotta brag about this find! Lo and behold, through a circuitous chain of events, I now own the Rudge I saw in the rain Thursday! It had been loaned to a student by the original owner, who bought the old dear new for $150 in Chicago in the 50s and used it for youth hostel trips. GB Sport Mk. 3 sidepulls, levers with Mafac-like white halfhoods, half-step chainrings, cable-operated Benelux derailleurs, 8-speed, B-15 saddle, and just unspeakably cool! A little quick rubbing has uncovered that much of what looks like rust is merely dirt and grease. Did I mention the paint job? Sort of a dark burgundy, with white head tube and the coolest graphics - lots of arrows, almost a pop-art look. Chromed cap on the sloping fork crown, and Bluemels-esque fenders with the Rudge emblem ... actually, the Rudge emblem is all over the place, but it's cool. I like it. Still has the Reynolds 531 sticker, too ... I guess I've got my next project ahead of me!




Subject: Re: Rudge Pathfinder Grand Prix bought!
Entered on: May 4, 1998 23:41
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
Cool! I've got a very similar bike, under the name Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix, dating from 57 or 58. I paid $15 for mine at a yard sale maybe 10 years ago, mainly for the saddle. It didn't have the original wheels, just some cheapo replacement wheels, so I built up a pair of nice aluminum wheels, including an ASC 3-speed fixed-gear hub. It's a very pleasant riding bike, but unfortunately the paint is horribly oxidized...I think it was originally some sort of metallic silvery shade, but it just looks like rust now. Enjoy!




Subject: Gazelle
Entered on: May 6, 1998 08:21
Entered by: kath ()

Message:
Hey you Brit Bike fans, someone just posted a question about a bike that sounds like a classic English Roadster under the 'Bicycle Value' topic. Can you folks help?




Subject: Wicked Witch of the North looking ladies bicycle
Entered on: May 7, 1998 12:51
Entered by: Janet (jane.thompson@virgin.net)

Message:
I've just bought a Rayleigh bike for a few quid that is dated around 1903. I want to restore it to it's former glory but can't find anyone that knows anything about what it should look like. Rayleigh won't or can't offer any suggestions. Anyone got any pointers?




Subject: 1969 raleigh s/a 3 speed
Entered on: May 7, 1998 16:37
Entered by: Kevin (wintern@ryemilton.lhric.org.)

Message:
have 69 raleigh.all is there including leather seat but needs resto. paint and rechrome. is it worth to resto and sell or sell as is. or junk?




Subject: Chase Cycles
Entered on: May 7, 1998 22:18
Entered by: Robin (Robin.Weston@Compaq.com)

Message:
My brother has come across a Bicycle from the1920's It is marked I believe " Chase Cycle Works Birmingham" I've looked all over and can't find anything about it. Any Ideas? Thanks,




Subject: RE:1969 raleigh s/a 3 speed
Entered on: May 8, 1998 19:46
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
Hi, Raleigh bicycles fitting your description are very common. It is not worth your time to restore it unless it is your favorite, childhood bike or something like that. I would either ride and enjoy it or sell it as is. Good luck!




Subject: gazelle
Entered on: May 8, 1998 20:24
Entered by: jon (utparamedc@aol.com or jargyle@utah.com)

Message:
i just picked up a bike called a gazelle it has a three speed hub with drum brakes...it has bar linkage to activate the brakes..it has four gazzelles around the sprocket...the chain guard is completly around the chain... the rear hub has 5 35 on it it is black with gold striping....kind of weathered the hub spins freely both ways i havnt had a chance to really look at it... i am NOT interested in this bike anyone interested e mail me direct i will take a picture which should be ready next week..any input would be appreciated thank you




Subject: Victoria's Secret Bicycles
Entered on: May 9, 1998 11:02
Entered by: johnB (johnburt@mailexcite.com)

Message:
Check the Summer 1998 Victoria's Secret Country Collection catalogue for 3 beat up roadsters. On the cover is what appears to be an old Schwinn Racer (and a cute brunette). Page 18 features a Raleigh (and a cute blonde). Helena Christensen is leaning on a mystery bike on page 42. I'm not sure how she plans to ride in that long dress, though.




Subject: 1903 "Wicked Witch"
Entered on: May 9, 1998 12:21
Entered by: Paul (randa@lakenet.com)

Message:
Since you bought your Raleigh for "a few quid" perhaps your in Britain. No matter what side of the ocean you are, you can be a member of the Southern Veteran-Cycle Club. The SVCC is a member of The Transport Trust. The national charity for the preservation of Britain's transport heritage. This is an international club who's main interest is pre 1915 British cycle's. They have a wonderful newsletter and member access to their library. A very up and up club who's rules include "no funny hats". I am not able to give you current membership info. I'm sure you could get that from from the bicycle museum in Coventry. Sound like a cool bicycle. Good luck.




Subject: Funny Hats?
Entered on: May 9, 1998 18:12
Entered by: dan (dfield)

Message:
No funny hats?, what would i want with a club that don't allow no funny hats? next you'll be saying we can't be puttin things on top of other things! nudge nudge




Subject: Funny Hats
Entered on: May 11, 1998 07:54
Entered by: Tim ()

Message:
Funny Hats, a secret handshake and a special deluxe Raleigh decoder ring with a cheesecake picture of Capt. Bike inside are ensentials for any bike club worth its salt.




Subject: Funny hats et. al ....
Entered on: May 11, 1998 19:45
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@meraldis.com)

Message:
I think the Transport Trust/SVCC may need to rethink the headgear rule. I'm not sure I could support an organization that wouldn't let Sheldon wear that magnificent helmet pictured on his site ... or do we need to find some SNELL/ANSI rated bowler hats? Come to think of it ... 19th Century military-style shako hats that look like oversized SA hubshells would be cool!




Subject: rant test
Entered on: May 12, 1998 00:50
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
I'm requesting opinions and comments on S A twist grip shifters. I like them always have, but I suspect I'm in the minority. also can anyone tell me about a onescrew mont/ snapring type,(how rare is it/ when was it made).




Subject: RE: (way back there) "Why do people like these bikes"
Entered on: May 12, 1998 08:48
Entered by: Marco ()

Message:
These are the best all-around transportation ever invented: Comfortable saddles, upright handlebars, decent brakes, wide-range gearing, fenders, saddlebag. Simplicity, reliability, utility....




Subject: RE:SA twist-grips
Entered on: May 13, 1998 21:41
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
According to the Sturmey-Archer Story, the first twist-grips were marketed in 1961. I have not had much experience with them to form my own opinion. I plan on putting one on my current project bike, however - I will let you know how it goes. In related news, I have had plenty of bad experiences with the Shimano twist-grips.




Subject: Twist Grips
Entered on: May 14, 1998 00:38
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
My experience with SA twistgrips is based on two samples. The one on the '68 Hercules I owned nearly 20 years ago was shot. The one on a Hercules I am fixing up for a friend here in town (a blue Hercules lady's bike in great shape!) seems to be functional, but is not as smooth or sure as the trigger shifter. My mind is no doubt cluttered by having read the early (c. 1971) ed. of Tom Cuthbertson's book, which advised using the trigger shift whenever possible.




Subject: Yellow-gold Raleigh Sports
Entered on: May 14, 1998 07:31
Entered by: Tim ()

Message:
I came across a 21" mens Raleigh Sports in a Yellow-gold color. Raleigh Sports decals in block letters plus an "All Steel Bicycle" decal. Decals are in fair to good shape so the bike has not been repainted. "Wing " Style chainguard, twist grip shifter and a Prestlube style carrier in the same color as the bike. I've never seen one in this color combo. Has anyone out there seen this color? Thanks




Subject: RE: Yellow-gold Raleigh Sports
Entered on: May 15, 1998 12:01
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
I have never seen a yellow-gold Raleigh Sports, but I have seen two Triumphs and one Dunelt around town in that color.




Subject: Raleigh Bronze Green Paint
Entered on: May 18, 1998 11:38
Entered by: Tom (rinehart@dcsol.com)

Message:
Does anyone know where I can get some Raleigh Bronze Green touch up paint?




Subject: "Slow Release" wheels
Entered on: May 18, 1998 11:46
Entered by: David ()

Message:
I never thought I would be dissing these bikes, but I got a rear flat on my Raleigh DL-1 this weekend. Let's be real: the design is downright idiotic. My bike has the full chainguard, and I would say that the entire process, which involves about twenty separate operations including removing the brake pads, removing the rear fender, popping out the front pan of the chaincase and getting the chain loose, disconnecting the shift cable, disconnecting the rear Dynohub wires, taking off the rear of the chaincase and so forth, is downright harebrained. The recently restored bike sure looks great, but please. I hope British bike mechanics charged by the hour, or surely they would have all gone out of business immediately.




Subject: Bronze Green Paint
Entered on: May 18, 1998 15:08
Entered by: Bill ()

Message:
Take your bike or maybe a fender or chainguard to a nearby NAPA or similar auto parts store and they can probably mix you up a small amount for ten or fifteen bucks. they did for me and the match was perfect.




Subject: Bronze Green Paint
Entered on: May 18, 1998 15:08
Entered by: Bill ()

Message:
Take your bike or maybe a fender or chainguard to a nearby NAPA or similar auto parts store and they can probably mix you up a small amount for ten or fifteen bucks. they did for me and the match was perfect.




Subject: "Slow Release" wheels
Entered on: May 18, 1998 20:56
Entered by: calvert (cycletruck@aol.com)

Message:
David.....i agree that DL-1 rear wheel removal is a pain....ordinarily i just leave the wheel on the bike and slip the inner tube out on the left side....then i fill it with air (i always remove the rear rack first since it is easy to do & makes the operation easier).....instead of dipping the tube in a bucket of water i listen for the leak, spray the suspect location with soapy water, & watch for the bubbles..... some folks will tell you that "Green Slime" (a modern version of "Never-Leak") will eliminate most flats though it adds weight to the outside of the wheel....& then there are heavy duty inner tubes and tire liners.......




Subject: Raleigh Grand Prix for sale
Entered on: May 18, 1998 22:59
Entered by: Joseph (JLopez3549@aol.com)

Message:
For sale:1980 ladies Raleigh Grand Prix ,10 speed ,blue, still in closed box, made in England. $125.00 plus cost to ship. I also have an optional Brooks Competion leather sadle to dress this bike up and it's still in the bag (new $20). So buy this for yourself or that special person who wants an NOS Brit. bike at a nice price. For parts or other Brit. bikes feel to call my pals Mert732-679-7117 or Tom@ 516-485-0995.




Subject: For sale: 28" wheelset
Entered on: May 19, 1998 10:25
Entered by: David (davidd_dt@earthlink.net)

Message:
For sale to best offer: 28x1-1/2" wheelset for rod-brake English bike. We are beginning to clean out the basement for a move in a few weeks, and unearthed these; my DL-1 has wheels and I don't need another set -- I'm lucky if I put 100 miles a year on it. They look darn close to NOS, it looks like they were used only once or twice (there is a small amount of rubber on the brake track) and they were covered up in a dry place. The rear has a (mid-70s) 3-speed Dynohub; I have no idea if it works -- so caveat emptor -- but it looks literally brand new. The rims look exactly like DL-1 rims, but NB they are Dutch and both front and back are 36 holes if I count correctly.




Subject: ... and Other Wheels, etc.
Entered on: May 19, 1998 10:30
Entered by: David (davidd_dt@earthlink.net)

Message:
Sorry, I forgot to mention: we also found two used 26" front wheels with Dynohubs, v. small amount of rust on rims. Endrick, not Raleigh, style rims. Also an NOS chrome Sturmey-Archer dynohub headlight. Help me get rid of this stuff ... best offer.




Subject: Raleigh Sport
Entered on: May 19, 1998 16:16
Entered by: Tom ()

Message:
I have acquired a Raleigh Sport with the following numbers on the bottom of the crank housing. 5 3026 C30004 This frame has the welded hangers for the hockey stick chain guard. The three speed rear hub has 69 on it, but that does not jive with the welded hangers. Can anyone give me an idea about when this bike was manufactured? Thanks




Subject: Late '50's Hercules "Hawthorne" 3-speed
Entered on: May 20, 1998 16:15
Entered by: Derek (glinthi@juno.com)

Message:
I'm interested in selling my Hercules "Hawthorne" 3-speed. I'm not certain of the year, but the original owner told me he bought it in the late '50's. It's in excellent condition. The original racer green paint is virtually perfect. A "veeder" milelage counter currently reads 415 miles. The 3-speed hub gear is marked "Hercules". The leather black saddle is in mint condition. The tire size is 26x1 3/8. It has a "male" frame (but the top bar still has a stylish curve nonetheless). I put an "old style" head and tail light on it (powered by generator on back rim). I also have all the original wrenches/tools that came with it. Hand brakes are great. Rides very well (even no hands! :) Best offer by June 13 (moving).




Subject: Classic Raleigh, Carlton Series
Entered on: May 20, 1998 18:26
Entered by: Robert ()

Message:
I'm sending this message on behalf of my brother. He inherited an old bicycle from a friend who passed away. It is a "Classic Raleigh, Carlton Series, maybe 1972,73,74 or thereabouts. Would you have any information for him concerning the value of this bicycle. Thank you for your time.




Subject: Raliegh Bronze Green Frame
Entered on: May 24, 1998 08:01
Entered by: Tom (s_maryland@hotmail.com)

Message:
I am looking for a Raleigh Sport Bronze Green Frame with brazed hangers for a hockey stick chain guard. Paint and decals in execellent or better conditionl, no scratches.




Subject: WTB: 26" rear 3-speed wheel
Entered on: May 26, 1998 00:15
Entered by: David (davidd_dt@earthlink.net)

Message:
Gentle souls: I need a rear 26x1-3/8" wheel with a Sturmey AW hub. Needs to have an Endrick, not Raleigh, -type rim. It is for a very nice old Brit-bike and my fondest wish would be to find a real Dunlop 40-spoke wheel built around a somewhat older hub. Please advise if you have one. I have some items I'd be happy to trade if appropriate.




Subject: Hercules Bicycle
Entered on: May 27, 1998 11:33
Entered by: Todd (todd.mayo@washingtondc.ncr.com)

Message:
I have a Hercules frame with the numbers 2909408 and 136915 on the bottom bracket. Can someone provide details- age, original model, etc.?




Subject: Raliegh Sports and Royal Yorks
Entered on: May 27, 1998 18:13
Entered by: Weslee (kenneyk@earthlink.net)

Message:
I just got my first REAL English 3-speed today-a men's and matching women's Raliegh Sports 3-speed in near perfect shape!! I got the pair from the owner that bought them new in 1972. It is great to finally have a bicycle that feels solid when I ride, unlike the Murray 3-speeds I have always rode until now. I do have another English 3-speed that was given to me 3 years ago. It is called a Royal York made by the D P Harris Hardware Mfg. Co. in 1957. The SW hub doesn't work very well. This bike is really rough, but I feel it is worth keeping. Does anyone know anything about D P Harris or Royal York? Keep riding!!!




Subject: Perry/Derby bike
Entered on: May 28, 1998 10:47
Entered by: Donna (donna.widmer@hts.k12.nj.us)

Message:
My husband pulled a bike out of someone's garbage and we can't find out anything about it. It has the word Derby facing front, and also the word Perry B-100, England. These numbers and letters are also on the bike C300231 and SE in a circle.We are trying to find out how old the bike is and if it is worth restoring. It is a male bike that had a headlight on it and a wide crossbar. If anyone can give us a lead we'd be grateful. Thanks! Donna




Subject: Interested in buying a rod-brake roadstar
Entered on: May 28, 1998 23:47
Entered by: Weslee (kenneyk@earthlink.net)

Message:
Hello again to all English Bike fans, or what I would call "smart cyclists!!!" I'm interested to know if anyone has or anyone knows where I can get a 28x1 1/2 English rod brake bike CHEAP!!! That would mean that I would like one even in rough condition because I have a tight budget. I would be very interested in having one for daily commuting to class at college. Maybe some of you east-coasters could be of some help here. These are great great bikes, and they're always up to what ever challenge you can give them!! Keep Ridin'




Subject: hercules bike
Entered on: May 30, 1998 09:29
Entered by: Larry ()

Message:
hi, I Have a hercules bike. (made in england)its a three speed and has skinny tires on it, its black,if anybody knows how I can find out the year please post thanks, larry




Subject: Re: Hercules
Entered on: May 30, 1998 12:07
Entered by: Weslee (kenneyk@earthlink.net)

Message:
Larry, if you Hercules has a Sturmey-Archer hub on it, it will have a date code stamped on the hub shell. Ie. 1 64 means January 1964. If the hub is original, than the bike will be from about the same year.




Subject: Hercules 3 Speed
Entered on: May 30, 1998 15:01
Entered by: Pam (B0754@aol.com)

Message:
I have a 3-speed English bike that had the Hercules brand on it, the gear shift says Sturmey-Archer. It has skinny tires, black paint. I got it brand new around 1964. Are these bikes considered collectors items?




Subject: raleigh superbe
Entered on: May 30, 1998 17:52
Entered by: barry (robinchil@aol.com)

Message:
Just picked up Raleigh Superbe at yard sale ... very good shape, dyno hub, fork lock w/original key, mounted pump,Brooks saddle. Has non-original grips, front tire and "new" plastic SA shifter. Missing rear lense. Any worth? Anyone interested? It really looks outa place next to my FSR Extreme!




Subject: RE:Classic Raleigh, Carlton Series
Entered on: Jun 1, 1998 19:44
Entered by: MartinH (martin.hanczyc@yale.edu)

Message:
Check out Retro Raleighs for info on the Raleigh/Carlton bicycles: http://www.speakeasy.org/%7Etabula/raleigh/raleigh-home.html




Subject: Raleigh tourist stablity update
Entered on: Jun 1, 1998 19:59
Entered by: Dan (extant@rust.net)

Message:
Hands free at last! Hands free at last!!! After completly dismantling this Raleigh Tourist for the second time to get to the bare bones frame, I discovered that not only was the fork badly misaligned but the chain and seat stays were as well. The only bicycle book I could find that dealt with frame straightening was " The Bicycle Repair Book " by Rob Van der Plas. Using string and carefull measurements plus brute strength and the help of an old Park crank staightener, and my patient wife who stood on the frame while I attempted to bend. I'm happy to report the major surgery was a success!! It was crude but effective. Now if I could only get those rod brakes to work better!




Subject: 1960's London Flyer
Entered on: Jun 4, 1998 13:15
Entered by: Buck ()

Message:
Last year, I was given a London Flyer 3-speed (imported from England for Western Flyer). So far, I put a new seat, new wheels, tires, and after having waxed it a few times, it now has most of the old glossy finish to it. I kept all the original parts. The original seat is rather dilapidated, the front wheel has five or six broken spokes, the orig. rear wheel is in running condition, but the coater brake ring is cracked in two places, and the retainer clip for the planetary gear is worn out. The hub is made by Sturmey Archer. The orig. tires are Dunlop White Sprite double-stripe whitewalls (26 X 1 3/8), and I still have those. The orig. wheel rims are also made by Dunlop. This bike came with the rack on the back and chhrome fenders. From these facts, can you determine a valuation for this machine?




Subject: 1960's London Flyer
Entered on: Jun 4, 1998 13:17
Entered by: Buck ()

Message:
Last year, I was given a London Flyer 3-speed (imported from England for Western Flyer). So far, I put a new seat, new wheels, tires, and after having waxed it a few times, it now has most of the old glossy finish to it. I kept all the original parts. The original seat is rather dilapidated, the front wheel has five or six broken spokes, the orig. rear wheel is in running condition, but the coaster brake ring is cracked in two places, and the retainer clip for the planetary gear is worn out. The hub is made by Sturmey Archer. The orig. tires are Dunlop White Sprite double-stripe whitewalls (26 X 1 3/8), and I still have those. The orig. wheel rims are also made by Dunlop. This bike came with the rack on the back and chrome fenders. From these facts, can you determine a valuation for this machine?




Subject: Raleigh DL-1 (Tourist) Brakes
Entered on: Jun 5, 1998 09:36
Entered by: Paul (randa@lakenet.com)

Message:
So Dan has been having fun bending his bicycle and is now ready to play with his brakes. Please keep in mind that the following are my own thoughts on the subject and are not backed by any official service information. Patience and the persuit of one objective will give a Tourist wonderful brakes. Tuning the mechanical linkage so the power applied to the hand lever is not waisted flexing linkage parts and wheel rims. Proper adjustment is indicated at the hand lever with the bike standing still. - When released there should be no looseness of the levers. Lever stops should be against handlebar lug. - Squeeze of the must feel solid when pads meet rims after modest, smooth free travel. If there's a mushy feeling, thats the power of your hand being unnecessarily waisted. Not stopping your bicycle. If levers wiggle when released one or more problems exist. 1. Linkage needs oil at pivot points and stirrup guides. 2. Small slot head bolts with square locknut (4 of) on bellcranks adjusted too tight and binding. 3. Rear stirrup rubbing against kickstand mount (deal with the kickstand, you CANNOT bend linkage rod around stand to get clearance). 4. End of stirrup touches brake guide clip (back off guide clip). If brake application gives indefinite spongy response after dealing with the above problems its time to check the following. A. Linkage rods are bent. B. Brake pads are not touching both sides of the rim at the same time. Instead of going into tedious discription, I would like to put accross a few facts about these brake systems that the guy at the store who set the bike up didn't realize, or, didn't have the time to deal with. It's quite possible that the brakes on your DL-1 have not been operating correctly since the bike was new. A mechanical linkage requires parts to be able to move freely, so, adjust those little bolts on the bellcrank with the little square locknuts. Where steel is moving against steel a DROP of any lubrication smooths the action, especially for releasing. The spring action of the stirrups at the guides aid retraction as much as the coil springs up at the handle bars. Anywhere this is bent or has a kink is where there will be a power waisting flex. Lot's of braking power is lost if both brake pads don't touch the rim at the same time. These are not self centering brakes. Just think. If only one pad hits, you have to squeeze tighter to get the wheel to warp over untill the rim hits the other pad. All that energy gone into bending the wheel instead of stopping. Many Tourist are running with front brake pads in front of the stirrup. You will get a big increase in braking power if the pads are flipped so they are behind the stirrup. This way the pads bite into the rim instead of being pushed away from it. To do this the pads and their little arms need to be alternated, also,the guide clips and stirrup have to be lowered. If there's a bad low spot in your front rim, fix the rim or the surge will annoy you, or worse. Tighten the headset. Never let oil or solvent get on the brake pad's. Everybody has their own tricks for dealing with straightening or adjusting their DL-1. Sheffield steel responds very well to bending. I'm not above using a big rubber mallet for taking dings flat spots out of rims. A plastic mallet backed up by a block of wood for getting kinks and bend out of rods. A 15 inch crescent wrench for straightening cranks. Tthe bolts for the guide clips are so soft that they strip if worked too much. I just tighten these clips in their favorite position, then whack em over to where I want the stirrup positioned. "The all steel bicycle". What a gas!




Subject: a good eye and a swift kick
Entered on: Jun 5, 1998 11:31
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
A good eye and a swift kick can solve many a problem on a dl or most any english (all steal) bicycle. And if by chance you realy screw something up you now have thisgroup to help you find the new parts you need. PS if it ain't broke don't fix it. dan...




Subject: London Flyer Valuation
Entered on: Jun 5, 1998 22:19
Entered by: Buck ()

Message:
Last year, I was given a London Flyer 3-speed (imported from England for Western Flyer). So far, I put a new seat, new wheels, tires, and after having waxed it a few times, it now has most of the old glossy finish to it. I kept all the original parts. The original seat is rather dilapidated, the front wheel has five or six broken spokes, the orig. rear wheel is in running condition, but the coaster brake ring is cracked in two places, and the retainer clip for the planetary gear is worn out. The hub is made by Sturmey Archer. The orig. tires are Dunlop White Sprite double-stripe whitewalls (26 X 1 3/8), and I still have those. The orig. wheel rims are also made by Dunlop. This bike came with the rack on the back and chrome fenders. From these facts, can you determine a valuation for this machine?




Subject: Re: London Flyer
Entered on: Jun 7, 1998 12:39
Entered by: Weslee ()

Message:
Buck, If the rear wheel has a Sturmey-Archer rear hub, then it will have a date code on it. Ie, 2 59 means Febuary of 1959. This will date the bike, if its an original hub.




Subject: WTB: RALEIGH CARRIER (CYCLETRUCK) PARTS
Entered on: Jun 7, 1998 13:45
Entered by: calvert (cycletruck@aol.com)

Message:
i'm restoring a rod-brake Raleigh carrier & need the following: *front fender & braces(20" wheel) *rear braces(26" wheel)or w/fender *rear tire....26"x1&3/4" carrier(this is prob not the same as the US 1&3/4" i'll know more after i check out sheldon's tire page) *the sign panel i'm can paywith USD or converted currency but i also have parts to trade for Brit & American bikes.....(do some digging in your boneyard for me & i'll do the same for you.....) email me or call 816/363/4418 (call anytime; just give me 30 seconds to wake up)......thx




Subject: Bloomsday Delivery Bike Rally in Kansas City
Entered on: Jun 7, 1998 14:33
Entered by: calvert...... (Cycletruck@aol.com)

Message:
On saturday, June 13th, the 2nd annual Bloomsday Delivery Bike Rally/Ride will meet @ 10:00am in front of Bloomsday Books @ the corner of 63rd & Brookside...Tom (the Bookstore's prop.) has a keg of Boulevard Stout on hand along with first-rate celtic music & on going Joyce readings.....the ride will follow a scenic (& mercifully flat) route through Brookside/plaza area and return to the bookstore for stout or latte......all bikes are welcome but delivery and dispatch bikes (and anything rod-brake, moulton or otherwise odd) are particularly needed......bring any bike bits you have for trade.....email or call me @ 816/363/4418 for futher information or directions.......