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Subject: swift
Entered on: Jul 30, 1998 14:00
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
does anyone know when swift went out of biuseness? I have one in my shop rite now, it's the only one I've ever seen.




Subject: Speedometer
Entered on: Jul 30, 1998 20:56
Entered by: Jimmy (jimagard@telusplanet.net)

Message:
I would like you to help please. I have a a Raleigh 1970 ish for my daughter. But what I would like is a nice crome old style Speedometer for my 1958 CCM Bike that is hanging in my rumpas room. Any help on sites would be nice or id you have one 4 s ale. Jim in Canada




Subject: Raleigh Colt Restoration
Entered on: Jul 31, 1998 11:23
Entered by: RALF ()

Message:
I am in the process of restoring a 64' Colt which has two copper colored "sticker" stripes on the seat tube. Does anyone know if these are original? Also does anyone know where to get or how to create decals for bicycles? I have to believe that in this day of computer scanners and printers, someone could easily recreate old bicycle decals




Subject: Falcon Special
Entered on: Jul 31, 1998 11:42
Entered by: Jay (jayhoffman@msn.com)

Message:
I would appreciate any comments on the value of a Falcon Special from the early 1970s. The original white paint, as well as the enture bike, are in very good condition. It has Suntour GT/Allegro, Weinmann 750 brakes, the original leather seat, 27 x 1 1/4 wheels, and a very large frame. The nameplate says the bike was designed by Ernie Clements, who probably also designed tanks. Thanks for your help.




Subject: DUNELT -- "RIDE WHEEL ON SHEFFIELD STEEL"
Entered on: Jul 31, 1998 15:05
Entered by: Velohund (velohund@yahoo.com)

Message:
Just picked up men's Dunelt 3-speed at garage sale. It's all there and it all works. For you Anglo-groupies, I thought I'd pass on the motto painted in gold on the top of the top tube: "Ride Wheel on Sheffield Steel" Anyone ever see this before? The bike seems very well made -- clean brazing, joints. Usual Sturmey-Archer (haven't looked at date yet but original owener is in his 50s). The bike is very plain, of course, -- black paint, plain-ish lugs -- but the decals and especially the headbadge are beautiful. I'd appreciate any information about the Dunelt Company. Thanks! VH




Subject: Attention Roadster Fans!
Entered on: Jul 31, 1998 22:21
Entered by: Wes K (kenneyK@earthlink.net)

Message:
If you've ever wanted a rod-brake roadster, but don't have a Swiss bank account, now may be your chance. For $36 you can get a single speed bike with rod brakes and 28x1-1/2" wheels made in India (hey, my '72 Raleigh says Made in Indonesia). The only catch 22 is the minimum order- one case. So, if I could get at least 50 people interested in at least 1 bike each, we could work something out. I'm doing this only because I want one too!!! If you would like to see some of the other bikes they have (between $35 and $45) go to http://www.infobanc.com. Thanks!!!




Subject: Attention Roadster Fans!-correction
Entered on: Jul 31, 1998 22:23
Entered by: Wes K (kenneyK@earthlink.net)

Message:
If you've ever wanted a rod-brake roadster, but don't have a Swiss bank account, now may be your chance. For $36 you can get a single speed bike with rod brakes and 28x1-1/2" wheels made in India (hey, my '72 Raleigh says Made in Indonesia). The only catch 22 is the minimum order- one case. So, if I could get at least 50 people interested in at least 1 bike each, we could work something out. I'm doing this only because I want one too!!! If you would like to see some of the other bikes they have (between $35 and $45) go to http://www.infobanc.com/catcycl1.htm Thanks!!!




Subject: Raleigh Sprite
Entered on: Aug 3, 1998 14:35
Entered by: jay (jrees@shl.com)

Message:
I recently bought a Raleigh Sprite on a lark it has all original pieces, as far as I can tell. I know nothing about old bikes. I just bought it ,cause it is really yellow and cool...How do I know when this was made and some history behind it. Raleigh web pages were not that helpful




Subject: Sturmey 5-Speed Woes:
Entered on: Aug 4, 1998 04:52
Entered by: nicolas (nicolasb@maich.gr)

Message:
Sturmey 5-Speed Woes: Hi, My DL-1 with S5-2 (according to Sheldon "Sturmey" Brown's SA hub page) would skip out of 5th gear now and then so I took it apart and cleaned it. Now it still skips out of 5th but I have also lost 2nd gear. What I noticed was a minimal engagement between the Dog Ring and the Seconadry Sun Pinion when the left indicator chain was pulled tight. Can anyone help me to determine the parts & springs required on the low gear side of a Sturmey S5-2 of 70's vintage. I have looked at www.toehead.demon.co.uk/names.htm, page 2, (great site!!) which details the FW 4 speed. I believe I might be missing some parts and/or the hub is not assembled correctly. So heres what I have in the order I have them installed from left to right; Low Gear Spring Primary Sun Pinion Secondary Sun Pinion w/ the cupped end facing the left (towards the Dog Ring) Dog Gear Key Thin Bronze Thrust Washer (pushed bu the Dog Gear Key, working against the short stiff spring) "Short Stiff Spring" (stiffer than the Low Gear Spring" nested between the Secondary Sun Pinion and Dog Ring Dog Ring Locking Washer Lock Nut I am not sure that the Secondary Sun Pinion should have the cupped side facing the Dog Ring but this was the only way to set it up to get more than a "hair's" engagement between them. If the cupped end was facing the Primary Sun Pinion, the Short Stiff Spring would bottom out and not really engage with Dog Ring. The whole assembly is rather frictional this way though. There is no Pinion Sleeve making the Secondary Sun Pinion have a lot of play on the axle. Additionally, there is no compensator spring and collar on the clutch side (should there be on S5-2's?). Can anyone help with any details or input on this problem, a sketch of the S5-2 would not be bad. Are spring sets (low gear, clutch etc.) and a low gear pinion sleeve available for this hub? Otherwize the hub is fine with respect to wear on the pinions, pawls, hair springs etc. Thank you, nicolas boretos




Subject: RE: DUNELT -- "RIDE WHEEL ON SHEFFIELD STEEL"
Entered on: Aug 5, 1998 15:41
Entered by: JimB ()

Message:
The message is actually "Ride Awheel on Sheffield Steel". In this case, "awheel" means ride on a vehicle with wheels. I have two Dunelts, one being a 28 inch rod brake roadster. They are great mid-range English bikes. I will be showing my red one at the bike show in Boston on August 16th.




Subject: Dunelt/531 decals
Entered on: Aug 5, 1998 16:37
Entered by: Warren (wyoung@stonehenge.ca)

Message:
I'm refurbishing an early 60s Dunelt and would like to give it a decent two tone panelled paint job complete with decals. Could someone give me examples of both Dunelt and Reynolds 531 decals from that period? Any grahic file will suffice but jpegs seem to be the best for email purposes due to their small size. Thanking you in advance...wy




Subject: Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix
Entered on: Aug 6, 1998 21:08
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
Call me crazy. I bought yet another British bike today, a stunning old Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix 10-speed, complete with the rod-operated Cyclo-Benelux front derailleur, full celluloid fenders, and the most ornate Benelux rear derailleur I've encountered. Can't wait to get this one cleaned up for display! I know I'll have to use different tires if I decide to ride it - it appears to have the originals, and I'm not sure I want to endanger 40-year-old rubber. Or myself, at that!




Subject: Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix
Entered on: Aug 7, 1998 14:35
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
I've got one of those too! Mine dates from probably 1957-58. I bought it a few years ago at a yard sale...the Brooks saddle alone was worth the $15 I paid. Mine didn't have the original wheels, just some junky replacement wheels, and the paint is very badly oxidized. I junked the wheels and built it up with some nice aluminum, excuse me, aluminium 27" rims and a Sturmey-Archer ASC 3-speed fixed gear hub that somebody gave me. For a while, this was my bike to ride when I needed to park in high-risk areas, but the present value of the ASC makes this use no longer appropriate. Anyway, it's a very nice, comfortable riding bike, and I like it a lot, ugly as it is. Sheldon Brown.




Subject: "RIDE AWHEEL"
Entered on: Aug 7, 1998 14:50
Entered by: Velohund (velohund@yahoo.com)

Message:
Thanks for the verification on the Dunelt slogan. The paint on mine is a little blurred but I now see you are correct. All the more British and quaint. Meanwhile I'm very much enjoying riding this bicycle. As Sheldon Brown indicates on his English 3-Speed page, these are very capable riders, and well suited for riding in traffic. Smashing good bike, what? VH




Subject: time to archive
Entered on: Aug 7, 1998 17:09
Entered by: claudia ()

Message:
this list is getting too long. time to archive, please?




Subject: reverse threading
Entered on: Aug 7, 1998 17:13
Entered by: claudia ()

Message:
oh, and having reverse threading--latest messages on top--would be cool too. anyone else out there getting carpal tunnel from scrolling?




Subject: Decals or Transfers
Entered on: Aug 8, 1998 12:17
Entered by: Tim (EMGEETD@aol.com)

Message:
Seen some comments on decals or transfers if you will. I was in the UK in Feb. and did an extensive search for transfers. According to one bike shop in Burgess Hill, Raleigh didn't like to sell transfers because people would put them on inferior machines and sell them as Raleigh's or whatever. I did get a Raleigh transfer but it is the large modern style that goes on mountain bikes. I did not see many older 3 speeds except in the town of Chichester in the South of England. There I saw many early 3 speeds with full chain cases that were being used as daily transportation. All the streets in this town had bike racks every few hundred feet that were filled. Took lots of pictures




Subject: Better formatting, reverse threading, etc.
Entered on: Aug 10, 1998 08:53
Entered by: Menotomy Vintage Bicycles (Menotomy@aol.com)

Message:
We're looking into different types of forum software which will allow us to provide an easier-to-read Discussion Area. The one we're using now is homegrown and not very sophisticated, but it it doesn't cost us anything, either! We're aware of a couple of free message board forums, but they all have terrible response time because they pay for the 'free' service by displaying slow loading banner ads with every message. If anyone has any suggestions on good (inexpensive or free, good performance, good threading) forum software, please send email. --Vin




Subject: Off-set hub
Entered on: Aug 11, 1998 00:05
Entered by: dave (jacks73@ibm.net)

Message:
Can anyone supply me with the hub/rim offset measurement for a Raleigh Sports rear hub, SA AG type.




Subject: Is this a Raleigh Superbe?
Entered on: Aug 12, 1998 01:12
Entered by: Philip (phall@helix.net)

Message:
I just saw what looked like a very top-of-the-line Raleigh at a used consignment bike shop. It was a green "ladies" frame with fork lock (but no key) and S-A FG "dynofour" hub made in 1952. I just checked Sheldon's site and the frame number seems to be in the 1951-52 range. Head- and tail-lights with wiring and black battery/capacitor tube (whatever it is) were intact but the little black tube was empty and I didn't get the lights to work. My test ride did reveal that the four-speed worked. The shifter has the little window to show the current gear. A feature that I haven't yet heard or seen elsewhere were the rims which said "Raleigh Stainless" on them (and were indeed un-stained with rust). Oh, and they were 26" rims. The frame had original pin-striping and said "All Steel Bicycle" on the seat tube. An original-looking pump was on the pump-pegs and there was a full chaincase. There was no actual model name that I could see. It didn't have a rear rack. However, is this what they would call a "superbe"? This shop is sometimes asking too much for the bikes they have (but I did get a mid-'60s Moulton frame & fork there two weeks ago for $35 -- that's a whole different story). They are asking $150 for this Raleigh. What say you guys? Cheers, Philip Hall Vancouver BC




Subject: Re: Is this a Raleigh Superbe?
Entered on: Aug 13, 1998 00:38
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
Yes, that is a Superbe. Superbes generally have locking forks and Dynohubs. They also typically have higher-end saddles, for instance B66 instead of B72. I own a bike that sounds virtually identical to the one you've found, though with rod brakes and full chain case (and I have the key!) $150 sounds like a very good deal; the 4-speed Dynohub is quite rare and desirable. I've been asking $300 for mine, but haven't found a buyer yet.




Subject: other "superbe" questions
Entered on: Aug 13, 1998 02:40
Entered by: Red (dhskelton@stkate.edu)

Message:
against my better judgement I have decided to purchase two superbes through the net. However before I actually go through with it I was hoping someone might answer a couple of questions. There is a woman's (serial # 774877 P) and a men's ( # 413494 {no letter given}). They were both made, I was told, between '47 and '52. They both have nylon pulleys. Should the pulleys be metal? They both have Dynohubs. (Hers doesn't shift properly, His is a 4 speed.) However neither of the bikes have lights. Would they have originally come with lights? To anyone who answers, thank you for your time.




Subject: Thanks re: Is this a "superbe" - and about tires
Entered on: Aug 15, 1998 19:27
Entered by: Philip (phall@helix.net)

Message:
Hi, Thank you to those who answered my query (both here and by private email) about the Raleigh Superbe. I had another quick look at it and, alas, I fear it is bent. There is a tell-tale crack in the weld at the top of the lug at the headtube and a corresponding bump on the bottom of the lug. Oh well, I really need the money for restoring my Moulton, anyway... On another topic: Last year there was a discussion about who makes 26x1-3/8 tires. I recently purchased some in this area made in Thailand and called "duro". They are blackwall (so they look good on my old Mercury) but have nice ribbed running-surface. So far they are excellent (and cheap). Cheers Philip Hall Vancouver BC




Subject: Raleigh Space Rider, Lady's 3 speed
Entered on: Aug 20, 1998 07:06
Entered by: Nancy (nanclendan@aol.com)

Message:
In 1980, I purchased a blue "Space Rider" Raleigh (Nottingham, UK) 3 speed - from a friend who was moving back to england. This has been a marvelous bike in every way. I am curious as to when it was made - I am guessing the early 70's....in the owners manual/guide to maintenance that came with the bike only the serial number: NE6351235 and model name "Space Rider" are given. Underneath the leather seat are two embossed circles: 05 and 77.... does this mean May 1977? Or might this just be the date or model of the leather bike seat?!? I would certainly appreciate an information anyone out there has for determining dates. This blue bike has the original paint - which is in fair to good condition, and all of the pretty "Raleigh Nottingham" emblems, both painted on and on mini-plaque-type tags. Thanks!




Subject: Raleigh Space Rider, Lady's 3 speed
Entered on: Aug 20, 1998 07:06
Entered by: Nancy (nanclendan@aol.com)

Message:
In 1980, I purchased a blue "Space Rider" Raleigh (Nottingham, UK) 3 speed - from a friend who was moving back to england. This has been a marvelous bike in every way. I am curious as to when it was made - I am guessing the early 70's....in the owners manual/guide to maintenance that came with the bike only the serial number: NE6351235 and model name "Space Rider" are given. Underneath the leather seat are two embossed circles: 05 and 77.... does this mean May 1977? Or might this just be the date or model of the leather bike seat?!? I would certainly appreciate an information anyone out there has for determining dates. This blue bike has the original paint - which is in fair to good condition, and all of the pretty "Raleigh Nottingham" emblems, both painted on and on mini-plaque-type tags. Thanks!




Subject: RALEIGH ROADSTER
Entered on: Aug 20, 1998 10:05
Entered by: Velohund (velohund@yahoo.com)

Message:
Dear Fellow Brit Bike Fans: I feel like I just scored the ultimate buy at a garage sale. It's a Raleigh Tourist roadster. It has 28-inch wheels, 44 spoke rear/36 spoke front, with Sturmey-Archer rims, rod brakes, Brooks B66 saddle, Raleigh emblem chainring pattern, Eveready clipon front light (made in England), large British-made canvas and leather saddlebag, and Brit steel frame pump. The frame has rear-facing back forkends with what appears to be retaining hardware. The seat stays appear to be bolted on, not brazed. The drive side chain stay has a small hole near the bottom bracket which may be a lubrication port?? (Any insight on this?) Everything is in excellent working order. Nothing is missing or broken or rusted. The only flaws are about a dozen paint blems and scratches. The paint, by the way, is black with red flecs. It has a beutiful yet primative appearance. The ride is as smooth and predictable as anything I've ever ridden -- somewhat like an old Schwinn middleweight but more responsive. It handles well in traffic (I rode it 10 miles to work today), though the long wheelbase keeps it from being a quick=handling bike. It takes small holes as well as a mountain bike -- maybe better since it isn't "deflected" by irregularites -- it just plows straight over them. Here's the catch -- it appears to only 20 years old. I'm going from the sellers guess and the date stamp on the Sturmey 3-speed hub ('78). I can't find a serial number: please tell me where it should be. I had no idea these bikes were made this late. Do they still make them? In England? This does not appear to be a Raleigh equivalent to the Schwinn cruiser repops made in Taiwan -- it seems authentic. That is, it says "Made in England" on the frame and all of the components that are stamped. In fact, the Raleigh logo is on just about everything, from the stem to the individual rod brake components. The seller's story is as follows: He was stationed in England for work, and became friends with a police officer there, who rode one of these on duty. He says they still made them for the express purpose of supplying them to the London police. I'd love to have insight or confirmation on this. I love the bike already, and I'm happy to have it even if it isn't collectable. But is it? Someone please tell me more about it. Thanks! VH




Subject: RALEIGH ROADSTER
Entered on: Aug 20, 1998 16:35
Entered by: Bob Hufford (bhufford@mail.orion.org)

Message:
I can't give you much insight on the bike other to say that I too have a '78 Tourist which is as you describe. I didn't score the light and saddle bag with mine, but it is in almost unridden condition. I've seen asking prices on this bike (late '70s model) in the $300 - $400 range. I paid $75 for it at a flea market booth (the booth owner's father had owned the bike and bought it locally -- SW Missouri). They are a great ride!




Subject: Velohund , full roadster
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 00:34
Entered by: Paul (randa@lakenet.com)

Message:
Sounds like your fast on the path to a love affair with the same machine as many who read this page. You like the ride now, wait till you trust it enough to throw your weight into a curve. The tourist was manufactured in England and imported to the U.S. up to 1986. The red flackes are whats left of your red pin stripes. When British three-speeds are outfitted with saddle bags, rear rack, lamp set and bell they are referred to as 'full roadsters'. Tourists did not have these features out of the box. your bolt on seat stays are standard. The rear axel mount tou describe is a 'Horizontal dropout'. The chain adjusters do a fine job of providing opposing force to the influence of the brake stirrup. I don't think Raleigh produces these bicycles for their police anymore although they are still used by them. Apon visiting an old dealership in York seven years ago they explained that the police had bought most of their old spare parts to keep the machines they had in service. Collectable? I'd say your own personal enjoyment reflects how collectable it is for you. stay on top!




Subject: 1972 Raleigh Superbe
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 02:45
Entered by: Tim (tp agents@aol.com)

Message:
i am 43 years old dont really ride bikes came across this thrift store and found a 1972 (by rear hub) Raleigh Superbe with all lights brakes brooks spring seat 3 speed fork lock with key front dyno for working head and rear lights air pump its all their and one spot of rust by fork lock which cleaned up good . i paid $3.95 cents oh and its dark green with gold pin striping and all Raleigh Notingham decales..........whats it worth........if anything please IM me.....thanks




Subject: 1972 Raleigh Superbe
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 02:50
Entered by: Tim (tp agents@aol.com)

Message:
i am 43 years old dont really ride bikes came across this thrift store and found a 1972 (by rear hub) Raleigh Superbe with all lights brakes brooks spring seat 3 speed fork lock with key front dyno for working head and rear lights air pump its all their and one spot of rust by fork lock which cleaned up good . i paid $3.95 cents oh and its dark green with gold pin striping and all Raleigh Notingham decales..........whats it worth........if anything please IM me.....thanks also has rear spring loaded luggage rack and detailed fenders...... please someone tell me what i got...THANKS




Subject: 1972 Raleigh Superbe e-mail adress
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 03:08
Entered by: TIM (t p agents@aol.com)

Message:
they lost my right e-mail adress please e-mail about bike




Subject: 1972 Raleigh Superbe e-mail adress
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 03:10
Entered by: TIM (tpagents@aol.com)

Message:
they lost my right e-mail adress please e-mail about bike




Subject: 72 Raleigh Superbe correct adress tpagents@aol.com
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 03:19
Entered by: tim (tpagents@aol.com)

Message:
oh well.....new to this computer................




Subject: THANKS FOR INFO ON RALEIGH ROADSTER!
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 10:18
Entered by: Velohund (velohund@yahoo.com )

Message:
Thanks for your insights on the Tourist roadster. I find it interesting that 1986 was apparently the last production year. Wasn't Raleigh bought by Derby in 1987? I wonder if dropping the model was part of the restructuring that followed. I'd still be interested in whatever info anyone has on this bicycle. In particular, does anyone out there have maintenance info these bikes? I'm wondering how things will go the first time I get a blowout flat and have to get the tyre past the rod brake. It would appear a good deal of disassembly would be required. Is there a quicker, or proper way to do it? And that small hole in the right chain stay near the bottom bracket -- lubication port? If so, do I go at it with motor oil or a grease gun or what? Or should I just take apart the bottom bracket as I would on any other bike? By the way, my ride home yesterday evening was great. I did a very fast downhill curve and although I had to hold the bike more firmly (almost like a small motorcycle), it took the fast corner very well -- i.e., it followed the curve of the road. Some of my other bikes are downright squirrely on the same curve. I'm really loving this. God save the Queen. -- VH




Subject: swift and stuff
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 14:02
Entered by: dan (dfield@nebuladigital.com)

Message:
Still in search of info on pre war swift three speed, Am also thinking about an open house during mt next bike show ( "The Yankee Show" sept. 13) it's right next to the show site easy walk over. Claudia I stiil have a chain case with your name on it but is there any chance I can talk you into a whole bike (with chain caase)? Give me some feedback on the open house idea I would love to show you the place while it's still here. dan god save the queen, we meam it man!




Subject: Dunelt Bike
Entered on: Aug 21, 1998 23:02
Entered by: Ron (rbuschke@execpc.com)

Message:
I am interested in selling a dunelt bike. I don't know anything about these bikes. The one I have is black in color and it is a three speed, the crankset chainring says dunelt. The bike is in pieces now at my brothers barn, but I have the wheels at home with me and they are in very good shape. Please help me with the parts that are supposed to be with the bike. I don't know what it is worth so I will trust whoever has information for me. I can't use the bike so I figure if someone else collects them they could get some use out of it. Pleae post or e-mail me with the information. Thanks. Ron




Subject: Velohund's Superbe, etc.
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 10:36
Entered by: Russ (rfitzger@emeraldis.com)

Message:
The hole in the right chainstay is NOT an oil port, actually. It is the vestigial remains of the fittings for a full chaincase. They continued to put the fitting there, but did not apparently tap the threads for the bolt that runs through the center of the backplate to mount the thing. Alas, there is no easy way to change a rear tire on one. I found that out years ago.




Subject: dunelt bicycle
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 16:26
Entered by: joe (jodee65)

Message:
I would like to here from someone, that can tell me a little about the Dunelt bicycle. Thank you.




Subject: Phillips/Birmingham
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 17:44
Entered by: Andrew (wilsona@usnwc.edu)

Message:
Hi All,




Subject: Phillips/Birmingham
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 17:44
Entered by: Andrew (wilsona@usnwc.edu)

Message:
Hi All,




Subject: Phillips/Birmingham
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 17:44
Entered by: Andrew (wilsona@usnwc.edu)

Message:
Hi All,




Subject: Phillips/Birmingham
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 17:44
Entered by: Andrew (wilsona@usnwc.edu)

Message:
Hi All,




Subject: Phillips/Birmingham
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 17:44
Entered by: Andrew (wilsona@usnwc.edu)

Message:
Hi All,




Subject: Phillips Roadster
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 17:48
Entered by: Andrew (wilsona@usnwc.edu)

Message:
Hi All, I bought an old Phiillips roadster today for 5 dollars. There is some damage with the paint and a bit of surface rust. I believe the tires to be original and all the equipment except for the three-speed shifter. From the looks of the bike I figure it to be from the 60's. What might a bike like this be worth, if anything, and how can I get more info on it. Thanks




Subject: 1970's raleigh "twenty" folding bike - 3 speeds
Entered on: Aug 22, 1998 23:23
Entered by: Jennifer (JennnnnnnS@aol.com)

Message:
My grandfather recently passed away and I inherited this old bike. I took it in to a bicycle shop today to see if it needed any work before it could be ridden, and the guy at the shop said that it was in mint condition, and a collectors item. I had no idea. He said that the hubs are from 1970. Everything is original except the tires, and it rides beautifully. I was wondering if anyone had any information about pricing. The bike has brown lacquer paint and says "twenty" on it. It has three speeds and it folds up. There are hardly any scratches and no rust. The bike was probably used twice maybe three times by my fickle grandmother. Could someone email me with information, I would appreciate it greatly!




Subject: WTB: 4-speed shift trigger
Entered on: Aug 23, 1998 19:17
Entered by: David (davidd_dt@earthlink.net)

Message:
Folks: I am looking for a Sturmey 4-speed shift trigger. If anyone has one for sale, please advise. Thanks.




Subject: Phillips, unknown year
Entered on: Aug 24, 1998 01:05
Entered by: Jenifer (Jentrcy@aol.com)

Message:
I'm completely new to bikes, I just happened to pass a yard sale yesterday and fell in love with a Phillips ($5!). Then I spent six hours or so reading this forum and Sheldon Brown's page. I'm not interested in reselling it, but I'd like to find out when it was made and if it's of significant worth. I'd also like to know if anyone can recommend a good shop in the Kansas City area, or if it can be trusted to just anyplace. I rode it a few blocks, and it slipped out of gear a couple times and doesn't shift cleanly. It's a slightly metallic kelly green with gold pinstriping and the last few inches of the rear fender white. It also has an embellishment on the front fender I'd best describe as a small fin (like 50's cars) with a chrome tip. It's 3-speed with a Sturmey-Archer shifter and a newer Brooks saddle (black vinyl w/plastic tag, no date). It has a bullet headlight (shattered inside) and red taillight on a rear-wheel generator and a round reflector on the rear fender. The wheels are Sturmey-Archer, but the tires are Schwinn, 26x1-3/8. There are three Phillips name decals, but all the others are missing. The serial number on the seatpost is 1718605. Thanks for any information!




Subject: Sturmey Archer 4 Speed
Entered on: Aug 24, 1998 17:52
Entered by: jim (jbanahan@ncb.com)

Message:
I have a Rudge "Whitworth Sports" which originally had a four-speed hub. The trigger was missing since I've first owned it. I've since put a complete three-speed set up on. But I would like to use the 4 speed. Does anyone have a trigger ? I have some items for trade; Sturmey three-speed coaster brake wheel in excellent condition, three sets of fenders, 2 Dunelt, 1 Raleigh.




Subject: 1970's raleigh "twenty" folding bike - 3 speeds
Entered on: Aug 27, 1998 15:30
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
I'm a big fan of the Raleigh 20, and have owned several of them over the years. While they're not in the league of a Bike Friday, they are quite decent bikes, especially if you upgrade the wheels and a few other parts. You can read more about these on my personal bicycle page http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bicycle.html. I've also got more general info on English 3-speeds at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/english_3_speeds.html. As far as I know, these don't yet have any significant collector value yet.




Subject: 1970's raleigh "twenty" folding bike - 3 speeds
Entered on: Aug 28, 1998 00:46
Entered by: Phil (phall@helix.net)

Message:
In this area a Raleigh twenty is fairly easy to come by. There are also some with the "Phillips" badge on them that seem otherwise identical. I have even seen a couple non-folding examples. Although I'm sure Sheldon is right that they aren't considered "collectors" items per se, asking prices are creeping up and they are usually priced at 2 or 3 times that of an equivalent vintage full-size three-speed. Cheers, Philip Hall, Vancouver BC.




Subject: Raleigh Folding "20" Pricing
Entered on: Aug 28, 1998 17:15
Entered by: Bob Hufford (bhufford@mail.orion.org)

Message:
We can watch what the market thinks one is worth now on the eBay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=27586091




Subject: RALEIGH "SPORT"
Entered on: Aug 29, 1998 00:22
Entered by: Bob (nordskip@ibm.net)

Message:
I have one with a Sturmy Archer 3speed, enclosured chain, wheel hub generator and lights. The decal on the seat tube says "--203(?) HIGH CARBON STEEL TUBING". In my loft, Icant find the serial number, can someone tell me specificly where to find it? I bought it used in the early 50s. What is the value of this bike?




Subject: twenties and other small change.......
Entered on: Aug 29, 1998 00:29
Entered by: calvert (cycletruck@aol.com)

Message:
i remember years ago seeing twenties & other small european folders at marinas and small airports where they were used after docking or landing....when set up right they can provide credible ride.....but if don't need to ration stowage space i prefer regular frames....like diamond frames or moultons........but speaking of folders, ever try to ride a bickerton?.....terrifying!




Subject: Raliegh 3-Spd/Terry saddle
Entered on: Aug 30, 1998 20:18
Entered by: Peter (PBECRONIS@AOL.COM)

Message:
Hi. Just bought a Raliegh 3-speed. a) WHERE is the serial number ; b) how does a Terry saddle compare to a Brooks; c) my S/A "AW" hub- WHERE on the hub would the date be?; d)any good sourge for period lights, saddle bag, pump, etc.?




Subject: alpha and seyr roadster
Entered on: Sep 1, 1998 00:19
Entered by: mike (schball@pacbell.net)

Message:
I have just recieved two bikes. One is between 1960-1965, it is and Alpha, Made in England. I would like to know more about it. It is a beautiful bike. In addition to this bike I also received a 1960ish seyr roadter, Made in Austria. They are both 3 speed cruiser type bikes. Please if anyone has any info on either feel free to Email me. thank you.




Subject: alpha and seyr roadster
Entered on: Sep 1, 1998 00:19
Entered by: mike (schball@pacbell.net)

Message:
I have just recieved two bikes. One is between 1960-1965, it is and Alpha, Made in England. I would like to know more about it. It is a beautiful bike. In addition to this bike I also received a 1960ish seyr roadter, Made in Austria. They are both 3 speed cruiser type bikes. Please if anyone has any info on either feel free to Email me. thank you.




Subject: alpha and seyr roadster
Entered on: Sep 1, 1998 00:20
Entered by: mike (schball@pacbell.net)

Message:
I have just recieved two bikes. One is between 1960-1965, it is and Alpha, Made in England. I would like to know more about it. It is a beautiful bike. In addition to this bike I also received a 1960ish seyr roadter, Made in Austria. They are both 3 speed cruiser type bikes. Please if anyone has any info on either feel free to Email me. thank you.




Subject: alpha and seyr roadster
Entered on: Sep 1, 1998 00:20
Entered by: mike (schball@pacbell.net)

Message:
I have just recieved two bikes. One is between 1960-1965, it is and Alpha, Made in England. I would like to know more about it. It is a beautiful bike. In addition to this bike I also received a 1960ish seyr roadter, Made in Austria. They are both 3 speed cruiser type bikes. Please if anyone has any info on either feel free to Email me. thank you.




Subject: hercules
Entered on: Sep 1, 1998 23:05
Entered by: jude (jkkatz@marsweb.com)

Message:
Does anyone know anything about an english made bike called "Hercules ?" Worth. etc.?




Subject: Shameless Commerce
Entered on: Sep 2, 1998 19:01
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
My newest Web page is a commercial one, featuring small Sturmey-Archer parts. It's also got my first attempt at a CGI order form to make it easier to deal with. These hubs are really not that hard to work on. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/ha-sturmey.html




Subject: '60's Phillips (Raleigh)
Entered on: Sep 4, 1998 01:25
Entered by: Jenifer ()

Message:
Thanks to all who've sent me answers about my bike. There's quite a bit of grime still on the hub, but I'll get through and find the date (I hope). I'm really looking forward to getting it into shape and riding!




Subject: Rode Dunelt to work -- great commuter!
Entered on: Sep 4, 1998 09:44
Entered by: Velohund (velohund@yahoo.com )

Message:
Dear Fellow Brit Bike fans: I just rode 10 miles to work on my Dunelt 3-speed garage sale bike, and loved it. In my opinion, this bike strikes a very good balance among the qualities that make a good commuter-bike: it's lightweight, yet sturdy, good, quick handling, but comfortable. Trigger shifting is great in traffic, and I like th idea of enclosed gears for this kind of riding. The gear range is adequate for my commute. No, it's not as cushy as the roadster, or as fast as a traditional road bike, but it zips around pretty well. I passed several mountain bikes on the way, and made good time (45 minutes with plenty of red lights). I've ridden a number of different bikes to work, including traditional road bikes, as well as old Schwinn clunkers (Collegiate, American), but if this first run is indicative, this Dunelt may end up being the best all around. Are any of you commuting on your Brit bikes? Have any of you made the same kind of comparisons? VH




Subject: RE: Rode Dunelt -- great commuter
Entered on: Sep 4, 1998 11:23
Entered by: TimH ()

Message:
Welcome to the fold. I personally have several choices of 3-4speeds to ride and rotate my choice regularily. Nothing quite like the steady click..click..click of a Sturmey in high gear while cruising the slight downhill home from work!




Subject: E.G. Bates
Entered on: Sep 4, 1998 20:52
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
I recently bought a very cool E.G. Bates frame, probably of '50s or '60s vintage. It shares characteristics of a road and a track design: rear-opening, non-drop-out fork ends, round fork blades...but mudguard eyelets and generous clearance for 630 mm (27") wheels and mudguards. It has wildly ornate lugwork, with a repeated fleur-de-lis pattern to the edges of the lugs. I've built it up with a Sturmey-Archer ASC 3-speed fixed hub, and am greatly enjoying riding it. I don't know a great deal about Bates, and I'd love to hear from anybody who can enlighten me about this frame. I've put some pictures up at: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bates.html




Subject: S-5 hub
Entered on: Sep 5, 1998 14:27
Entered by: Robert (moffett2@erols.com)

Message:
I picked up a Chopper wheel yesterday, with the intention of using the s-5 hub on a Raleigh Sprite 5-speed. However, I'm now reluctant to break up a good wheel that could go on a Chopper, if an S-5 is obtainable elsewhere. I never get to any swap meets, so I don't know how available these hubs are. It's the first one I've had, and my Sprite has been waiting for two years to be a 5-speed again. Are these hubs findable, and if so, do they tend to go for much more than an AW or FW? All info and opinions are appreciated. Thanks




Subject: Auction 10 Raleighs, 1 Moulton Sun,Sept 27th INDY
Entered on: Sep 5, 1998 22:14
Entered by: Bob (sooks@indy.net)

Message:
At Auction Sunday Sept 27th I am selling 160+ bike collection. Included are 10 Raleighs and 1 Moulton. Auction Details are: no reserves, preview at 10 a.m. Auction starts at 12:30 p.m. (Indy time). Location:4715 E. 79th St. Indianapolis IN (see mapquest at yahoo for a detailed map). Terms are cash or check with current letter of bank credit and ID. More info call Bob Wilson (weekdays) at (317)-780-0609. Here are the bikes: 1) 1953 Raleigh mans 3 speed with enclosed chain guard-dyno hub w/fr & rr lights. 2) 1966 Raleigh RSW 16- 1 speed SA coaster, 16 x 2" tires-new condition, includes original saddle bag. 3) 1967 Raleigh Sprite 5 Speed mans-has SA internal 5 speed, nice condition, includes rr carrier. 4) 1970 Raleigh Supurbe ladies-dyno hub w/fr & rr light, locking fork-no key, half done restoration. 5)1971 Raleigh Chopper 3 speed 20" rr wheel, 16" front, orange, boys. 6&7) Pair (his/hers) 1972 Raleigh Tourists-3 speed, 28" wheels, rod brakes, will only sell as pair. 8) 1973 Raleigh LTD 3 Speed Ladies black-condition is 9.9 on scale of 1 to 10. 9) Raleigh RSW III-16 x 1 3/8 wheels, SA 3 speed with rare drum brake, dyno hub front, both lights, twist grip for shift, excellent 100% original bike. 10) 1981 Mans Raleigh Tourist 3 speed, 28" wheels, rod brakes, 9.9 on scale of 10, in virtually brand new condition, enclosed chain case-the "Rolls Royce" of all bicycles. 11) 1966 Moulton 4 speed-English specialty bike with 16" wheels , SA 4 speed hub, front and rear suspension, front & rear racks, original paint and markings. 12) 1930's or 1940's (?) MIYATA "the Mister Cycle"-has 28" wheels with true clincher tires (they fold under the bottom of the inner tube) with woods valve inner tubes. Has rod brakes, single speed, original paint and markings. Looks very similar to the Tourist. Contact the auctioneer to make absentee bid if you cannot attend. Auctioneer: Doug Davies (765) 449-4515. Thank you for considering attending this sale. Bob Wilson.




Subject: Re: S-5 hub
Entered on: Sep 6, 1998 11:49
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (Captbike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
The Chopper wheel with the S-5 hub may be too valuable to chop up...some silly people actuall _like_ choppers and will pay serious money for 'em (go figure!) Anyway, if you want the 5-speed for another bike, I'd suggest removing the innards from the Chopper wheel. This is a simple matter of unscrewing everything from the left side of the axle, then using a hammer and punch to unscrew the right hand ball ring from the right side of the hub shell (this is the part just out from the spoke flange.) This will remove the entire 5-speed innards as a complete assembly, which will fit right into an AW 3-speed shell, resulting in a 5-speed hub that says 3-speed on the outside. I'd also mention that it isn't particularly hard to convert an FW into an S-5 or an FM into a 5-speed with nicer spacing.




Subject: robin hood single speed
Entered on: Sep 6, 1998 18:35
Entered by: elliot ()

Message:
26"wheels,black men's frame, paint & pinstriping & decals all in exc. or very good cond. sturmey-archer s.s./coaster brake r. hub, brooks saddle w/badge in exc. cond., fenders & chainguard in very good cond. w/light surface rust. serial # 1124893 on seat tube gusset. picked this up recently and am needing help figuring out its birthday & potential worth. anybody?




Subject: WTB: Sturmey Archer ASC
Entered on: Sep 7, 1998 13:07
Entered by: Scoyy (sgp@sgpnet.com)

Message:
Looking for 3 speed FIXED S.A. ASC. If you have one or know someone who does, please let me know. Cheers scott




Subject: Phillips\Birmingham
Entered on: Sep 9, 1998 22:49
Entered by: Derek (TL1000MAN@aol.com)

Message:
I bought a Phillips the other day and don't know anything about them. I do know that it has the serial # RO 94754. It has the big wheels like i think are 28" wheels. It has linkage style brakes and a twisted spring seat manufactured by Vasad in Holland.The color is blue. There is a sticker on the front and rear fender of the profile of a young lady and the words Phillips Birmingham. The only other thing is the sprocket is stamped out Phillips also. Sorry if I sound ignorant but I'm just not familiar with these type of bikes. It's really neat and I would like to know its age and value and if there is any one who has access to parts or knows where to find them. Thanks




Subject: Parting out Dunelt Ladies 3 speed
Entered on: Sep 9, 1998 23:54
Entered by: Greg (gachtem@ucalgary.ca)

Message:
I have an late 60's early 70's Dunelt (ride awheel on Sheffield Steel) Ladies 3 speed that I am using for parts. My wife says I have to get some bikes out of the basement, so I am offering the parts of of this bike. SA 3 speed hub, Cables, calipers, John Bull brake blocks, plastic grips, bars, stem, cranks, etc. Everything you need to get that old 3 speed running. E-mail me and let me know what you want.




Subject: Old bicycle
Entered on: Sep 10, 1998 11:30
Entered by: Bill (zoomie91@hotmail.com)

Message:
Can anyone tell me how much a "Royal Lion" is worth? I bought the bike at a thrift store for $10.00. It was made in England, and looks pretty old. It's in great shape though.. Thanks!




Subject: Armstrong Bicycles
Entered on: Sep 10, 1998 20:25
Entered by: Eric (jannette.stevens@snet.net)

Message:
I am looking for any information on Armstrong bicycles from England.




Subject: European Report
Entered on: Sep 10, 1998 22:49
Entered by: Nick (4accord@bendnet.com)

Message:
Greetings to all my Menotomy 3-5 speed fans. Just got back from three weeks in Switzerland and Berlin, where I made an exhaustive search for the elusive English three-speed. The whole time I was there, I kept an eye out for collectible bikes, hoping to find at least a few of the mega-millions produced at Nottingham over the years – but to no avail. At the very least, I thought to tell you about my discoveries, in hopes I can catch you in time to still change your tickets. In Switzerland, I saw vast quantities of bicycles, but the overall impression was that they weren’t much different to what we see over here (no Schwinn retros, however). I saw a tremendous number of mountain bikes, quite a few touring bikes, and the odd this and that, but very few Raleighs or other English names. Without being terribly scientific in my record keeping, I can simply say that southern Switzerland is not your best bet if you, like I, are looking for some Tourists or Superbes cheap in mint condition. The closest I got was one lone Dutch Batarus Intercycle, full chain guard, single rod brake, with the brake “shoe” hitting directly on the top of the front tire rather than the rim. In Berlin, the situation was definitely different. There I saw a great many mountain bikes and touring bikes, but also a type of hybrid: derailleur bikes of perhaps 18 speeds, with roadster type handle bars. I saw quite a few Brooks saddles, and a lot of three speeds, but most of these were German brands, very similar to Sturmey Archer hubs and yet different. There was an occasional Raleigh, usually in rotten condition, and there were quite a few bikes with full chain guards. But I wouldn’t advise going to Berlin to find your English dream machine. Funny story: my cousin in Berlin suggested we rent the German equivalent of a rickshaw (fully enclosed, man-on-bike pulled). I noticed the very fancy triple-spring Brooks saddles these professional bikers ride and couldn’t help but comment on how wonderful they were. My driver just looked at me and shook his head; clearly he didn’t share my deep respect. With great disappointment, I returned to the States and asked my African imports connection if he couldn’t help me make a killing by bringing a couple dozen 28-inch rod brake Raleighs back from South Africa (I’d heard that that’s where Nottingham had sent most of them). After checking with his contacts in the old country, his reply was that they couldn’t find a one. Anyone have any e-mail friends in Sri Lanka, Borneo, or Kafiristan? I know my high grade Tourist is out there somewhere, and I’m still looking... Sleepless near Seattle




Subject: Nick's European Report
Entered on: Sep 11, 1998 09:23
Entered by: Velohund aka Keith (velohund@yahoo.com)

Message:
Nick: Thanks for the facinating report. Of particular interest to me was that you seemed to find no one particular bike dominating the roads for practical transport. Here in the dull hinterlands of the midwest I see a similar cycle-scape: commuters and bike messengers ride every conceivable kind of bike -- lots of mountain bikes, hybrids, road bikes, stripped down one-speeds resembling time trial bikes, and occasionally crusiers, new and old -- but I rarely see three speeds of any kind. This seems odd to me because I'm beginning to form the conclusion that the traditional English sport 3-speed is the best all-around urban bicycle. Any opinions to the contrary out there? As for you search for a Raleigh Tourist, take heart! I found my very clean and complete tourist at a garage sale after looking for one for only a couple of months, right here in the middle of the U.S. Keep your eyes peeled. VH




Subject: Book Reports
Entered on: Sep 11, 1998 13:35
Entered by: Nick (4accord@bendnet.com)

Message:
Have recently learned of two key references for those of us interested in British roadsters. One is, of course, Bowden's “The Story of the Raleigh Cycle.” I got a copy on interlibrary loan and was very disappointed with the lack of information about the different styles of Raleighs – some good info on the corporate history, Raleigh racing teams, and on manufacturing processes, but I wouldn’t say this is a “must have” book. One of our digesters (one who submits messages to an on-line digest) has mentioned the book, “The Sturmey Archer Story.” Has anyone seen it who could give a brief book report? And if anyone knows of any good references for the collecting aspect, could they post a few suggestions? Thanks!




Subject: Tony Hadland's "The Sturmey-Archer Story"
Entered on: Sep 11, 1998 14:22
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
I highly recommend this book to the readers of this list. You can find more about it on Tony Hadland's site: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hadland/page5.html




Subject: ARMSTRONG BICYCLES
Entered on: Sep 11, 1998 18:36
Entered by: Eric (jannette.stevens@snet.net)

Message:
I would like any information on ARMSTRONG bicycles of ENGLAND. I can't find any info anywhere. I would also be interested in buying one. jannette.stevens@snet.net




Subject: Phillips Single Speed
Entered on: Sep 11, 1998 19:12
Entered by: Michael (mstelmach@indexlogic.com)

Message:
I just acquired a Phillips Single Speed (1952) I'm in need of brake pads (rod brakes)and 26 x 1 3/8 tires. Any information would be greatly appreciated.




Subject: Re: Phillips Single Speed
Entered on: Sep 12, 1998 00:44
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
We've got 'em! http://www.sheldonbrown.com/ha-three.html




Subject: BSA
Entered on: Sep 12, 1998 20:55
Entered by: John (johnwittwer@prodigy.net)

Message:
Looking for a BSA rod brake roadster or cable brake bike. Doesn't have to be complete. Can anybody help mr out? Thanks John




Subject: New 28 inch rims for sale
Entered on: Sep 13, 1998 20:26
Entered by: Nick (basic@leys.com)

Message:
I have new 28 x 1 1/2" steel rims with 36 holes ($30 pair or $20 ea.). These could be used to convert a "Roadster" vintage bike or repro to take modern hubs, such as the Nexus Inner 4 and 7 hubs, late model Sturmey Archer 3-speed hubs, etc. I also have a couple of new NOS Sturmey Archer S3C three speed coaster hubs in 36 hole ($60 ea). Wheelbuilding available. Nick Nichols - DBA Basic Cycles




Subject: Sturmey Archer hubs
Entered on: Sep 14, 1998 06:48
Entered by: Red (dhskelton@stkate.edu)

Message:
$60! Wow I didn't know these hubs could go for so much. Can the common model hub (its been a while since I've visited Sheldon Brown's page, "AW" is it?) go for around the same price? I was given a box of them about a year ago most are 40 holes, some 36. and I beleive I saw one or two with 28 holes. I suppose I should look into which models they are. Anyway, If anyone is bored and would like to scroll up and answer my questions from August 13th I would appreciate it. Also appreciated would be an answer to my current hub price question. Thank you, Red




Subject: English Roadster Hierarchy
Entered on: Sep 14, 1998 09:02
Entered by: Bob (BLF99@AOL.com)

Message:
I had a great weekend. Picked up two 3-speed english roadsters for less than 10 bucks! One is a Raleigh Sport and another is a Phillips. Both are ladies built in the early seventies. When I compared these two to a 68 Dunelt, I could see no differences in the frames or the fenders. Did Raleigh (or someone else) manufacture under these other lables at this time? Or was this a case of extreme imitation? What is the relative hierarchy among the English manufacturers? The Raleigh and the Dunelt seem to have better components than the Phillips. Perhaps some of the more informed members of this board can start a FAQ to discuss the history and hierarchry of the English bicycle manufacturers.




Subject: Re: Sturmey Archer Hubs
Entered on: Sep 14, 1998 09:47
Entered by: Nick (basic@leys.com)

Message:
Unfortunately, I can't answer your questions about the Raleigh Superbes you are considering. On the subject of new Sturmey Archer hubs, Harris Cyclery (where Shelton Brown works) lists the standard AW hub at $69.95. I based my pricing of the S3C on this (hub is NOS and includes sprocket and coaster arm hardware). Harris has Sachs Torpedo 3-speed coaster kits (with sprocket, shifter, and cable) for $109.95. Personally I believe the Sachs product to be superior to the S3C model Sturmey Archer. But if you want to keep a vintage English bike all English, then only a Sturmey hub will do. I also have a used 40 hole TCW hub for $30. Roadsters equipped with rod brakes, in particular, can benefit from the smooth, all weather stopping power of a coaster brake on the rear wheel. Nick Nichols - DBA Basic Cycles




Subject: Re: English Roadster Hierarchy
Entered on: Sep 14, 1998 09:59
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
I have some info on this at: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/english_3_speeds.html . Dunelt is between Raleigh and Phillips. Generally, there's little difference between the frames, though older top line models (Raleigh, Rudge, Humber) are more likely to have braze-on doodads. The forks are different, and normally the fenders are also: top-line models have the fender stays welded on to the fenders, lower models use bolt-on wire stays. Top line models have Brooks saddles, mid-line models have mattress saddles, low-end models have steel plate saddles.




Subject: Ho Chi Mhin Trail Bicycles
Entered on: Sep 14, 1998 11:35
Entered by: Kevin (lrdg@yahoo.com)

Message:
I have a rather different sort of request... I collect Millitary Vehicles and my love of bicycles has led me to build a couple bikes in millitary style to display along with my trucks. I got an idea in my head to put together a bicycle of the type used on the Ho Chi Mhin Trail. I have read that the cycles were pushed. A bamboo pole was tied acroos the handlebars. I seem to remember pictures of poles tired front and back also. Anyway very large loads were lashed to these frames. Does anyone know anything about these bikes? Were the pedals (and cranks) removed. What frame styles? I ask here because 3-speed types seem to be more "world" oriented than those that frequent the other sites. Any ideas? I have a show comming up and would like to add this to my display. Thanks.




Subject: Re: Ho Chi Mhin Trail Bicycles
Entered on: Sep 14, 1998 16:33
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
Since Vietnam had been a French colony, they use French or French style bikes. These would typically be one-speed (or possibly 3-speed derailer) mixtes with 650B tires. Reportedly they could load as much as 600 lbs on these for the trip south. They would attach a stick to the left side of the handlebar and use that to steer while they pushed the load with the right hand. They would leave the pedals, because they would need them to ride back north for the next load. Even before the Ho Chi Minh trail existed, the Vietnamese (Viet Minh) used bikes against the French colonialists. In 1954, the citadel of French power was an airbase called Dien Bien Phu. This base was located in a bowl-like depression, which would have been an obviously indefensible point, except that it was surrounded by trackless jungle, so the French believed that is was impossible for the Viet Minh to bring in artillery. General Giap, (one of my heroes) however, had the artillery pieces disasembled and transported in by bicyle. They were re-assembled and commanded the French position. The fort was taken, and the French forced out of Vietnam. Unfortunately, Eisenhower decided to pick up where the French left off, with the disastrous results we all remember.




Subject: More Ho Chi Mihn (Mhin?) trail
Entered on: Sep 14, 1998 21:31
Entered by: Kevin (lrdg@yahoo.com)

Message:
Sheldon, Thanks for the quick response. Single speed? Are those free wheel with caliper brakes then? Right now my project has 26x1 3/8. From one of your web pages I get the idea that the the 650B was a rather more significant tire. Thanks again for the help. Kevin




Subject: Re: Ho Chi Minh Trail Bicycles
Entered on: Sep 15, 1998 00:11
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
The French (and their colonial clients) are not at all into coaster brakes, so they use single-speed freewheels. These bikes would probably have caliper brakes, possible centerpulls...possibly cantilevers. I don't know what you mean about 650B being a "significant" tire; the nominal English equivalent is 26 x 1 1/2. They're a lot like street tires currently sold for mountain bikes. This was the standard size for French utility bikes well into the '80s.




Subject: chopper
Entered on: Sep 16, 1998 00:54
Entered by: vince (gateshot)

Message:
does anyone know where i can find chopper decals either nos or remake.will appreatiate any help.




Subject: chopper
Entered on: Sep 16, 1998 00:58
Entered by: vince (gateshot @aol.com)

Message:
does anyone know where i can find chopper decals either nos or remake.will appreatiate any help.




Subject: Where & what is this bike
Entered on: Sep 18, 1998 03:57
Entered by: Stan (jerriko@bc.sympatico.ca)

Message:
I have in my possession a Primarius Meppel Model A, Serial #123482 28" bicycle. The paint is original black with the last quarter of the back fender being white. On the frame and fenders are traces of silver pinstripe accents. The front forks have an extended curve with a greater rake than is presently found on bicycles, and have narrow pullback handlebars. Surrounding the chain is a guard of the type that could have had a fabric cover to completely enclose the chain. I doubt that the saddle is original. The rear hub is 3spd Sturmey-Archer Model S3C stamped 80 - 9 ( 6 - 08?) The bike is a tall horse, but very rideable, but the fork geometry and frame size give turning and stopping a whole new concept. Certainly not for anyone with a short inseam! The only possible clue to the bike's origin is the stamping " Made in Belgium " on one of the pedal shaft caps. Any info or leads would be greatly appreciated, as in the four years that I have owned this bike, I have yet to speak to anyone who has been able to say they positively know where and when it was manufactured.




Subject: Re: Where & what is this bike
Entered on: Sep 18, 1998 08:48
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

Message:
The bike you describe is a typical Dutch-style roadster. The greater fork rake goes along with a more "laid back" head-tube angle, and is typical of true (28" wheel) roadsters. The rear hub was manufactured in 1980, so the bike isn't all that old.




Subject: Re: In Country
Entered on: Sep 19, 1998 10:03
Entered by: Greg (Me2uNowell@aol.com)

Message:
Some enterprising person(s) should organise MTB tours down the full length of the Ho Chi Minh trail. Required reading before departing would be Neal Sheehan's "Bright Shining Lie." Just for fun, a B-52 flyover could be arranged. Think I'll get on the Rudge now and go to the post office. Peace.




Subject: Gazelle English Roadster
Entered on: Sep 19, 1998 21:32
Entered by: Bruce (bacenti@ix.netcom.com)

Message:
I have an old English racer style bike. It has the name GAZELLE in it. It is black with chrome fenders and a Sturmy Archer 3 speed shifter. I have no idea what if any value it has. It is in good condition and many parts are origional. If anybody has any info on it's value I would appreciate it. Thanks.




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Entered on: Sep 20, 1998 04:10
Entered by: Chuck ()

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Hello Bruce, Your Gazelle is a Dutch bike. Need to know the date, it's on the hub, and what size wheels to price it. And how are those decals? Lights? Chuck Fred




Subject: Bruce's bike
Entered on: Sep 20, 1998 04:19
Entered by: chuck (fredlud@aol.com)

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that woul be the rear hub and what kind of saddle it on it. cf




Subject: S-A dynohubs
Entered on: Sep 20, 1998 08:36
Entered by: Fred (REDL944@AOL.COM)

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My favorite bike shop has 2 NOS S-A dynohubs "down in the basement" . When I asked him about the price, if he can find them, he said he didn't know what they were worth. Can anyone advise me concerning a fair price?




Subject: Re: WTB 28" Endrick Rims
Entered on: Sep 20, 1998 13:42
Entered by: Nick (basic@leys.com)

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From an archive of the Menotomy Vintage Bicycles English Roadsters discussion group: >Subject: WTB 28" Endrick Rims >Entered on: Feb 8, 1998 09:11 >Entered by: Bob (kalsea@marshaplan.com) > >Message: >Im looking for anyone who might happen to have a set of 28" Endrick >Rims?¿? They have to be 36 hole. Bob Its been a while since you posted the above request, but in case you are still looking! I have just recieved a shipment of new 28 x 1 1/2" 36 hole Endrick type steel rims. They are made by CMC in Taiwan and look good. They are $20 each or $15 each for 2 or more. I also have new Semperit Super Elite 28 x 1 1/2" blackwall tires for $12 each or $10 each for 4 or more. These are rated at 55 lbs pressure. Looks like the tires are made in either Austria or Germany (implied by the "Semperit Reifen AG" on the tire). Nick Nichols - DBA Basic Cycles (Charlottesville Va.)




Subject: Re: WTB 28" Endrick Rims
Entered on: Sep 20, 1998 16:52
Entered by: Sheldon Brown (CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com)

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Are you sure about that? I've never seen Endrick rims in the 635 mm (28") size...far more common are Westwood rims, since these are compatible with roller-lever (rod) brakes. Endrick rims are not compatible with rod brakes, only with caliper units. Westwood rims have a ridge down the middle, where the spokes are attached, and a braking surface facing the hub. They have round sides, so Westwood rims are not usable with caliper brakes. Endrick rims are commonly seen in the 590 mm (26 x 1 3/8") size on lower-end 3-speeds, such as Phillips, Dunelt, Robin Hood, etc. Raleigh pattern rims, as seen on Raleigh, Rudge and Humber 26" models, are sometimes called "Westrick" because the combine the rod-brake compatibility of the Westwood, with the caliper-friendly flat sides of the Endrick design. These don't come in the 635 mm (28") size.




Subject: Re: WTB 28" Endrick Rims
Entered on: Sep 20, 1998 17:20
Entered by: Nick (basic@leys.com)

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Shelton, Yes I am sure the rims I have are of the Endrick type. They are flat on the top with braking surfaces on their sides. The Semperit tires that I have fit them and the tires also have 40-635 molded into the sidewall in addition to the 28 x 1 1/2 designation.




Subject: Raleigh Sport Fenders
Entered on: Sep 20, 1998 19:51
Entered by: Danny (divan@shl.com)

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Looking for fenders for my Raleigh Sport 3-Speed I am in the process of rebuilding.




Subject: Raleigh Sport fenders
Entered on: Sep 21, 1998 05:02
Entered by: Red (dhskelton@stkate.edu)

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Danny, what color fenders are you looking for?




Subject: Crank Arm Length
Entered on: Sep 23, 1998 11:48
Entered by: Jim (jcole@cc.memphis.edu)

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I recently picked up a Raleigh ladies 3-speed (hub date '77) for my girlfriend. I immediatly noticed the first time I rode it that the crank arms seemed shorter than on my 21" men's frame Robin Hood. I find the short crank arms kind of annoying to ride with. The bottom bracket height doesn't appear to be much lower when the two bikes are parked side by side, but I haven't done any measuring yet. Will I run into any problems if I replace the crank with one with longer arms? Thanks in advance! - Jim Cole




Subject: RE: Crank Arm Length
Entered on: Sep 23, 1998 12:39
Entered by: JimB ()

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It should not be a problem replacing the crank arms with longer ones.




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Entered on: Sep 23, 1998 13:53
Entered by: Mike (mstone@pcmc.com)

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I have a bicycle with a brass plate and painted letters on the tube that shows the brand name or model name "Grand Champion" made in England. The letters painted on the tube says "Grand Champion" and is painted with gold paint. THe bike itself is black with white trim. It has a Sturmey Archer 3-Speed shift on it as well. For the record, she is a damned fine ride - fast and sporty! Can anybody tell me anything about this bike? Any idea about how old it might be?




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Entered on: Sep 23, 1998 13:53
Entered by: Mike (mstone@pcmc.com)

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I have a bicycle with a brass plate and painted letters on the tube that shows the brand name or model name "Grand Champion" made in England. The letters painted on the tube says "Grand Champion" and is painted with gold paint. THe bike itself is black with white trim. It has a Sturmey Archer 3-Speed shift on it as well. For the record, she is a damned fine ride - fast and sporty! Can anybody tell me anything about this bike? Any idea about how old it might be?




Subject: http://www.bikeproject.com/home.html
Entered on: Sep 24, 1998 01:28
Entered by: Claudia ()

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have any y'all bought one of the Indian manufactured roadster/third world work horses from these people--http://www.bikeproject.com/home.html-- Wondering about quality etc. Price is good. Sounds like a sound idea.




Subject: Re:http://www.bikeproject.com/home.html
Entered on: Sep 25, 1998 14:44
Entered by: John (jpeters@sirius.com)

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I saw your bike project posting. Check out http://www.bikeproject.com/home.html. The $159 bike they offer can be had for $36.50 + shipping and taxes, in lots of 50. I think that is one hell of a mark up for someone with no overhead (selling over the internet). That's my 2-cents.




Subject: Re:http://www.bikeproject.com/home.html
Entered on: Sep 27, 1998 23:37
Entered by: claudia ()

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I certainly could not order 50 of these and store them in order to have one, so I don't think that is an ureasonable markup Just wondering about quality. I don't think you can get this type of bike anywhere for that price, including Target and K Mart. They just have crummy mountain bikes for way over $159!




Subject: Bikeproject Asian Roadsters
Entered on: Sep 28, 1998 09:28
Entered by: Keith (Velohund) (velohund@yahoo.com)

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Cladia: Just for fun I Emailed Bikeproject to inquire about their bikes. That was about a week ago. I still haven;t heard from them. To me that isn't great business practice. I agree, however, that $159 is not an outrageous markup on a $37 cost. I too would decline to buy 50 to get that price break -- especially given the costs of shipping an entire shipping crate from overseas and into the Midwest. Not cheap, I'd bet. Still, I wouldn't even pay $159 sight unseen. For all we know these bikes are worthless junk -- even if they resemble the bikes we rever so much. I refer you to all of the awful drop-handlebar bikes of the 70s and 80s, and, as you mention, the worthless department store mountain bikes. Has anyone seen or ridden one of these proletarian mainstays of the orient? (I'd pay $37 for one for the sheer oddity of the bike, in our country that is). -- Keith




Subject: older Gazelle info.
Entered on: Sep 29, 1998 10:37
Entered by: Charlie (Charles.Hurst@Yale.edu)

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Hello - I posted a message to the "Determining Age" group and a fellow suggested I post here too. Recently, I was fortunate enough to buy an older Gazelle Impala. A Dutch friend of mine showed me his father's which was purchased in 1957. Mine is almost identical, except it has a nylon plastic rim to the tail light rather than metal, so I suspect it is newer than '57. The tail light is round, however, so it is still relatively old (instead of rectangular). For you folks who are not a novice like me, here are the specifics: On the housing of the tail light it says "Gazelle No. 3". The hub is a Torpedo. It reads: "F.& S. K Schweinfurt - [etched picture of an eagle] - Torpedo System Sachs Made in Germany". It is black, single speed with coaster brakes and has a Brooks B66 seat (a perfect fit!). The tires are 28". The front hub has a nice curve to it. It sure rides nice (smooth, stately), but I am reminded that it comes from a flat country every time I ride up a hill. If you are familiar with it, I'd like to hear from you and learn more about it. Thanks.




Subject: Ladies 28-inch Raleigh Roadster
Entered on: Sep 29, 1998 21:25
Entered by: Deborah ()

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I am looking for a ladies frame black & gold 28-inch roadster type bike, similar to the one I was too poor to buy in the 70's but still covet. I am not able to restore or do extensive repairs. I am also patient, so will look until I find one to buy.




Subject: Ladies Raleigh Roadster
Entered on: Sep 30, 1998 20:08
Entered by: John (jdemer@intrepid.net)

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If Deborah will send an email address, I may have a ladies Raleigh Roadster (DL-1) of interest to her. The hub is dated 1970 or 1971 if I remember.




Subject: 28" Raleigh pattern rims
Entered on: Oct 2, 1998 01:12
Entered by: Louis (lorsini@aol.com)

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Yes, Raleigh pattern (not Westwood or Endrick!!) rims exist. We have about 10 or so (40 hole only) at our shop. Stamped "Raleigh of England