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Subject: Sting-Rays and others
Entered on: Jul 17, 1997 14:24
Entered by: Menotomy Vintage Bicycles

Message:
Sting-Rays, Raleigh Choppers, Huffy Rails, Mattel Varoom bikes. Fat rear sliks, stick-shift shifters, flared rear 1/2 fenders....




Subject: Off-brand Muscle Bikes
Entered on: Jul 18, 1997 11:17
Entered by: Dale

Message:
I have recently found great enjoyment in seeking outand collecting off-brand muscle bikes. This was prompted from the ridiculous prices placed on the Picker/Krate series by all the local gouger/pseudo-collectors. I have ALSO found that most of these off-branders, (e.g. Eliminators, Choppers,etc.), have even better riding qualities than theSchwinns! Not to mention that they are FAR more affordable!The last bike show/swap I went to, I saw a `69 Pea Picker in need of total and massive restoration for sale by a guy who wanted $875. I think NOT. I later purchased a `71 black 5-speed Chopperfor $200 that needs almost nothing. That's MY kind of bike.I ride my bikes frequently, too. Welp, enough of my petty whining.Happy riding to everyone! (even to those who are practically destroying the hobby with their exorbitant prices!)




Subject: Info needed on 1968 Raleigh Rodeo
Entered on: Jul 18, 1997 15:22
Entered by: Bob Hufford

Message:
I posted this on the Schwinn forum with no replies. I picked up a 1968 Raleigh Rodeo (20" cantilever frame muscle bike) that has a Schwinn Sting-Ray seat on it. I need to determine what the original seat was. Does anyone have any Raleigh brochures or catalogs from that era? The bike is a candy apple red with white grips. I'm not sure if the seat was white or what. Any ideas are welcome. Bob Hufford bhufford@mail.orion.org




Subject: Krate Bike Colors
Entered on: Jul 18, 1997 18:02
Entered by: Denise

Message:
What are the original colors of the Krate/Picker bikes?




Subject: Stingray Bantam (girls)
Entered on: Jul 19, 1997 12:01
Entered by: Greg

Message:
I have an all original Bantam (blue w/white pinstriping)and was recently contemplating on whether or not to sell it,make it a lowrider,or just keep it as is (now the paint is scratched and the rear rim is rusted.)I would like any opinions ,comments ,offers ,etc.




Subject: Krate Bike Colors.
Entered on: Jul 19, 1997 12:15
Entered by: Dale

Message:
In regards to Denise's inquiry for original Krate Bike Colors... I'm not a pro on the subject but I have a pretty good idea of what's what. In 1968, (the first year of the Krate/Picker series), there was the Lemon Peeler, (yellow), the Apple Krate, (red), and the Orange Krate, (orange). In 1969, they kept these three models and added one more... the Pea Picker, (Schwinn Campus Green). In 1970, they still had these four colors, but again added one more...the Cotton Picker, (white). In 1971, they added the final color to the series for the Grey Ghost, (silver). This model is by far and away the most desireable as `71 was the only year it was produced. For 1972, they dropped the Grey Ghostbut kept all the others. If I'm not mistaken, they dropped the Cotton Picker, (another super rare color due to low sales), in 1973. And then in 1974, they dropped the Pea Picker and only had red, yellow, and orange left. (just like when they were introduced for the first time in 1968. There has been speculation of factory prototype colored bikes: The Coal Krate, (black), and the Grape Krate, (purple), but if any really DO exist, there's probably only one of each at best.




Subject: Rollfast
Entered on: Jul 20, 1997 14:11
Entered by: Mike

Message:
I have two Rollfast 20" "Stingray style" bikes. I found them beside a dumpster. Are these bikes worth restoring? What is the value? One looks complete with fenders and has a Gillette Silvertown whitewall tire on the front, serial #R10984. The second is missing the front fender and chain guard. It has the Gillette Ambasador whitewall on the front and a BF Goodrich Silvertown on the rear. Rims have spots of rust on them. Paint on both bikes is chipped and scratch. There are spots of rust on the rims. Any information would be greatly appreciated.




Subject: More off-brand Muscle Bike stuff...
Entered on: Jul 21, 1997 15:12
Entered by: Dale

Message:
...and NOW, to further reinforce the point about my desire to collect the "off-branders" instead of the "Camaro of the Muscle Bike world", (Picker/Krate series), I would be willing to trade my 1970 Pea Picker for a 5 or 10 speed, (preferably a High Back rest model), Raleigh Chopper! My Picker is a nice original and unrestored example that doesn't need much. I am having a tough time finding a decent Chopper and am more than willing to let my Picker go for a Chopper of comparable quality. If anyone knows of an interested party, please Email me at usfmc7ww@ibmmail.com I am so sick and tired of the hype that goes along with the Schwinn Muscle Bikes that I just assume eradicate them from my collection althogether. Well, maybe I shouldn't go as far as to say "altogether", but at the very least put them on the extreme bottom of my priority list for new acquisitions.




Subject: Choppers - want to buy Raleigh stickers
Entered on: Jul 21, 1997 20:25
Entered by: Wayne

Message:
I have 3 units of CHoppers in poor condition. The frame needs repaint but I hesitate to do so until I have the stickers. Can anyone help:where can I buy Raleigh & Chopper stickers???




Subject: Chopper decals!
Entered on: Jul 22, 1997 07:18
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Wayne! You're in luck! Earlier this year I became an official member of the International Raleigh CHOPPER Owners Club and I am now friends with a bunch of the coolest and helpful bicycle enthusiasts around! In order to be made privy to all the neat stuff they have to offer, you can write them at: The Raleigh Chopper Owners Club, 32 The Meads, Edgware, Middlesex, England, HA8 9HA. But to save you a little time, I just looked in the back of my club newsletter to find a couple names and numbers for you. This first guy, I only have a phone number for... his name is Richard Key, and his phone number is 011 44 628 526 5668. The last guy's name is Peter Cross, and he requires a s.a.s.e. be sent to his address at: P.O. Box 139, Liverpool, England, L69 4LT. I have yet to follow up on these same leads myself, Wayne, so let us know how you do! Good luck, and keep Choppering! (well, that's what THEY always say!)




Subject: Raliegh Chopper
Entered on: Jul 23, 1997 16:15
Entered by: Chris

Message:
Does any one know a good parts source for these bikes. I need shifter handle parts,and 5speed internal hub parts .




Subject: 5 speed internal hub
Entered on: Jul 24, 1997 08:00
Entered by: Ray

Message:
I have a complete 5 speed internal hub for a Raleigh. It is complete with connections also have other Chopper parts like seat springs, shifter console cover, rear 3 speed wheel and other hardware. Please contact me via e-mail at Wheelman1@msn.com or call days at 201-993-3000 extension 6927. Ray




Subject: Schwinn Sting Ray Lil Tiger
Entered on: Jul 24, 1997 15:30
Entered by: Dan

Message:
I recently rediscovered my Lil Tiger (about 30 years old) and wouldlike to restore it for my daughter. The paint (gold) is in quite goodcondition, a little faded, and the chrome has some minor rust spotting.What it needs is new plastic grips for the handle bars (the old ones are sticky) and the seat has some "puckering". Any info on where to find these parts, or where to send the bike to get the restoration done?Thanks for your helpDan Engebretson




Subject: Mid 60's Sears Rail 20" bike
Entered on: Jul 25, 1997 01:17
Entered by: Ken

Message:
I am looking for a mid 60's 20" Sears Rail 5 speed bike,This bike was longer than the Schwinn 5 speed sting ray's and was a so called " RAIL " bike that Sears sold. Please write me at America online, RUNNER!*), or call me at 513-746-4150 Thanks




Subject: sting rays
Entered on: Jul 26, 1997 23:48
Entered by: jim

Message:
stingray are heavy. they don't ride like i remember.but they are still the coolest bike made. Ive got over 50 stingrays and other scwhinn bikes. most are not for sale. they are mine forever. I will help others if they need partsI'd like some more accessories for mine.contact me if you need or have parts. no dealers please. I just like sting raysI don't need to sell anything.




Subject: Stingrays
Entered on: Jul 28, 1997 09:29
Entered by: Dale

Message:
In regards to Jim's note about how cool Stingrays are... I really have to agree to a certain extent. I was discussing Krates/Pickers with a guy I know and we both agreed that these bikes are the coolest looking rides around, but they ride terrible. I really do love these bikes, but I'm just a little tired of all the hype and price gouging that's been going on with them. But on the other hand, I guess that's what is going to happen with ANY collectable. Say, uh... Jim? You would happen to have any Raliegh Choppers you'd like to trade for an all original `70 Pea Picker would you?




Subject: "Just" a Stingray
Entered on: Jul 28, 1997 22:47
Entered by: Gary

Message:
I have an opportunity to buy a 20" Stingray that has a 3-spd shifter, sissy bar, etc. It doesn't have the springer front end nor 16" front wheel. The kid who has it thought he improved it buy brushing (arrrrgh!) a similar color of paint over the very presentable original green! He also messed up the shifter. I think it could be bought for under $50. Is this bike "just a Stingray" since I can't find any other name on it? Should I buy it?




Subject:
Entered on: Jul 29, 1997 13:14
Entered by: m

Message:
any one ever hear of an "iverson" bicycle? it has a small front wheel and a large back wheel. it's orange and chrome. does anyone have, or know where to get any info? Thanks




Subject: RE: Raliegh Chopper
Entered on: Jul 31, 1997 09:17
Entered by: jj

Message:
Someonw entered the address of a Raleigh Chopper club in the "Clubs" section of the discussion forums here.




Subject: RE; "Just a Sting_Ray"
Entered on: Jul 31, 1997 09:20
Entered by: jj

Message:
For $50 you should grasb it. It doesn't sound like it is original, even if you ignore the crappy repaint. There were no 3-speeds with a springer and 16" front wheel.Soes the front wheel have a drum brake????




Subject: RE: Iverson
Entered on: Jul 31, 1997 09:21
Entered by: jj

Message:
They made a couple muscle bikes. The one you describe sounds like a "Drag Stripper".They also made a 20" x 20" model called a "Charger"




Subject: Iverson bikes and Chopper Clubs
Entered on: Aug 1, 1997 14:11
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Hey JJ! *I* was the one who entered the Raleigh Chopper Club's address. As a matter of fact, it's still in my earlier note in this forum. In regards to Iversons... there is not only a 20x20 Drag Stripper, but there is also 16x20 Drag Stripper. I know a guy who has a few of these wierdos, but he's totally in love and will probably never sell them! They're pretty darn hard to find in decent shape!




Subject: 16" Krate????
Entered on: Aug 2, 1997 18:25
Entered by: jim

Message:
I was at a Schwinn shop today,and i saw a very unusual bike hanging on the wall.It was a 16" Krate with springer fork and a 12" front wheel,it even had a smaller seat with the stripes and the S.It also had the 16" Grippe-Slik.I`m not sure if it`s orig Schwinn or just a 16" sting-ray or mini-scrambler.It was silver witha black and silver seat.




Subject: Aplle-Trike
Entered on: Aug 2, 1997 18:53
Entered by: jim

Message:
I`m building a 3-wheel Apple-Krate,and i would like to know if Schwinn-made 24" slicks are available,like they used on the Manta-Ray or Tri-Country.Or i would like to find a complete Schwinn 3-wheeler rear end with real nice slik`s on it.I`m using a 20" S-2 front rim and i`m going to buy the drum brake.




Subject: RE: 16" Krate
Entered on: Aug 5, 1997 08:22
Entered by: jj

Message:
I've seen those before. I think they are home-made bikes built from Little Schwinn Tigers or something. I don't think Schwinn ever really made a tiny Krate.




Subject: RE: Apple Krate Trike
Entered on: Aug 5, 1997 08:26
Entered by: jj

Message:
Yes, Schwinn made a 24" slick. Used on Manta Rays. Tell us more about this project. Will it be a 5-speed? I know the 3-wheeled Schwinn Town and Country had a 3-speed internal hub with a built in coaster brake. If you are building a 5-speed, tell us about the gear setup and rear braking. Thanks.




Subject: Rollfast 20"
Entered on: Aug 5, 1997 16:18
Entered by: joe

Message:
I've got a Rollfast boys stingray lookalike that i have restored, everything on it is original except for the sissie bar, fenders, tires, chanigard(missing) and rear wheel. The lime green paint and green sparkle seat on this bike are great, but the sprocket and handlebars have some scratches. I am unsure of the year, but it is from the 60's or 70's and i would also like to know if there is any information that i can get on Rollfast. I also have another Rollfast boys bike, but it hasn't been restored yet. It is purple, needs a rear wheel, handlebars, sissie bar tires, chain, fenders and the seat and grips are not original. I would also like to know if a standard bent springer fork will fit these. Please if you could help me I would be extremely greatful.




Subject: Columbia SS
Entered on: Aug 7, 1997 13:24
Entered by: Chris

Message:
Need parts for Columbia SS,rear fender,chaingard,kickstand.Any condition considered.Can anybody help? Thanks Chris




Subject: '66 Stingray Fastback
Entered on: Aug 8, 1997 12:56
Entered by: John

Message:
I recently got my old 'Ray out of my parent's attic . I had replaced the ape hangars with Ram' Horn bars but all the rest is original . It does need some work since rust has almost ruined the rims and certainly the tires are rotted . I agree with the other sentiments expressed here . . . I want to restore this bike and ride it MYSELF not sell it. I have not seen any original part listings for tires & rims ( 20" x 1 3/8" ) , fenders ( especially rear ) , ape hangars and other miscellaneous pieces . I do not want to sell but it is kinda cool that my old ride is back in style




Subject: Re:`66 StingRay Fastback
Entered on: Aug 8, 1997 20:32
Entered by: Jim

Message:
If the rims aren`t pitted,which usually doesn`t happen.You can use SOS pads to take off the rust,it even works well on darker rust.




Subject: CCM MUSTANG
Entered on: Aug 11, 1997 21:31
Entered by: DAN

Message:
You people seem unfamiliar with the CCM Mustang. It is a fine example of 'muscle-bike' coolness. Manufactured by the Canadian Cycle and Motor Corp in the 1970's, its composition is elegant, yet aggressive. Sing the praises of this very well-made bicycle. C'mon, you. Sing!




Subject: Sears Stingrays
Entered on: Aug 12, 1997 11:15
Entered by: DQ

Message:
Any experts out there on Sears Stingrays? I am interested primarily in a 24" Boy's that I picked up; it has a frame that looks like the Spaceliner, paint that is blue and fades to green then gold . I've seen an ad similar to this bike but with a different frame , same paint, called the 'Spyder'.




Subject: Re:Sears Stingrays
Entered on: Aug 12, 1997 19:44
Entered by: Jim

Message:
I think your mistaken.Sting-Rays were made and sold by Schwinn not Sears.Yes,Sears did make the Spider.A friend has a green one with a mint seat and other accesories.




Subject: RE: '66 Sting-Ray Fastback
Entered on: Aug 14, 1997 07:50
Entered by: jj

Message:
Don't worry about running 'original' tires. Just get some tires that will fit, probably Taiwan, and ride the sucker! Just say NO to Trailer Queens.




Subject:
Entered on: Aug 15, 1997 01:13
Entered by: mark

Message:
I am looking for some parts for my first bike a Schwinn Grey Ghost. Would > like to find a rear tire and a Banana seat and stickers. Still have the > orginal sales receipt and owner's manual and the bike is in good shape. I > hear they are now collectable.




Subject: Re:Grey Ghost
Entered on: Aug 15, 1997 13:25
Entered by: Jim

Message:
You have a pretty scarce and collectable bike.In mint restored condition it could bring up to $2000 or more.Your Krate bike was made for only 1 year,because that the color wasn`t too popular.You could find parts for it right here on the web.E-Mail me and i`ll give you some addresses.




Subject: stingray question
Entered on: Aug 16, 1997 23:26
Entered by: cody

Message:
I found an all original green stingray with a 3-speed shifter & stingray spedometer for 15 bucks. It's in good condition except for a small tear in the seat and the spedometer cable is frozen up. I was wondering how i could go about finding out the possible value of the bike. Any Suggestions? Should I replace worn parts, if so how can i find them?




Subject: stingray question
Entered on: Aug 16, 1997 23:21
Entered by: cody

Message:
I found an all original green stingray with a 3-speed shifter & stingray spedometer for 15 bucks. It's in good condition except for a small tear in the seat and the spedometer cable is frozen up. I was wondering how i could go about finding out the possible value of the bike. Any Suggestions? Should I replace worn parts, if so how can i find them?




Subject: 1971 Orange Karte
Entered on: Aug 17, 1997 20:41
Entered by: CieCee

Message:
Found my husband's 1971 Orange Krate in mint condition in the garage. Everything on is original except the front tire. It even has a generator and speedo on it. Should we keep it or sell it? If we decide to sell it..where?




Subject: 1971 Orange Krate
Entered on: Aug 17, 1997 20:12
Entered by: CieCee

Message:
Found my husband's 1971 Orange Krate in mint condition in the garage. Everything on is original except the front tire. It even has a generator and speedo on it. Should we keep it or sell it? If we decide to sell it..where?




Subject: `71 orange krate
Entered on: Aug 17, 1997 22:13
Entered by: derek nardecchia

Message:
SELL IT TO ME!! i don`t have much money but i would love to have it!!!!!!! I am just starting a collection and would love to have it!!! PLEASEEEE!!!!!




Subject: '71 Krate
Entered on: Aug 18, 1997 01:33
Entered by: CieCee

Message:
Derek....make us an offer via e-mail. Your address was invalid.




Subject: Schwinn Tornado
Entered on: Aug 19, 1997 00:29
Entered by: Jason

Message:
I just bought a Schwinn Tordado in good original condition. The first four digits of the serial number are DR57. The frame looks the same as a stingray but the bike has different fenders and a BMX style schwinn seat, it even has the original schwinn "tractor" tires. Does anyone know what year this bike was made?




Subject:
Entered on: Aug 19, 1997 10:06
Entered by: derek nardecchia

Message:
jason...it was made in april of 1980




Subject: Off-branders win again!
Entered on: Aug 19, 1997 11:17
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Once again, the off-brand musclebikes have proven to be superior riders! I've got three Raleigh Choppers and three Krates. Just recently, the Woodward Dream Cruise, (an enormous car event here in S.E. Mich), took place and all my friends wanted to ride my bikes around. Being the good guy that I am, I let them all loose with my cool bikes only to learn that no one wanted to ride the Schwinns any real distance after a couple quick laps down the strip. Everyone wanted to be on a Chopper due to seat comfort, handling and gearing. And all these people are not the least bit into the old bike-thing. (unbiased opinions)




Subject: Riding Comfort
Entered on: Aug 20, 1997 08:40
Entered by: Dennis

Message:
Hey Dale You are right on the drivibilty of the stingrays and comfort. I had a 1970 stingray it was cool but it was heavy!! seemed slow but oh well. I was also at the dream cruise in Detroit. I saw a guy with a fastback deluxe one of yours?




Subject: 71' orange
Entered on: Aug 20, 1997 20:52
Entered by: chris

Message:
Would you take $250 or give me a call, 516-754-5760. thank you and please call me CHRIS




Subject: wanted:pre 75 schwinn stingray
Entered on: Aug 21, 1997 22:45
Entered by: Jacob

Message:
i am lookin for only a schwinn stingray frame or whole bike for under 75$ please only stingrays no other offers




Subject: Riding comfort.
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 09:23
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Hi there, Dennis! Nope... no Fastbacks in my collection. Maybe someday. I have a confession to make... for the majority of the time during the Woodward Cruise, I rode my `70 Cotton Picker, and the reason for this is because this particular ride gets the most reaction from the crowds. And since I live one block off of Woodward Ave. near 13 Mile, I didn't have to endure the crummy riding quality for too long. I realize this makes me somewhat of a hypocrite, but Schwinns have the market cornered when it comes to the coolest looking musclebike.




Subject: Dale's green krate
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 12:53
Entered by: Dennis

Message:
Hey Dale A 70 pea picker is what I am looking for would you be interested in selling? just asking you never know.




Subject: Muscle Bike "Kratelover"
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 16:19
Entered by: Eddie

Message:
Hey Dale! I agree with you about the ridiculous prices on the schwinn (Krate Muscle bikes) by the collector's & Enthusiastic sting ray fans. I'm the proud owner of a 1970 "apple krate" I received for my 12th birthday in 1970 which is in perfect mint condition the bike looks like it just come out of the showroom a "perfect 10"which I love an cherish very much, to me they are the coolest muscle bikes every made.I still tool around on my apple Krate,an get the same joy [feeling & excitment] as I did on that first days ride. I don't understand how you can say in your previous messages how muscle bikes [Krate/picker series] are coolest looking rides around,but riding oualities/comfort/handling in your opinion are terrible,an say you really do love these bikes, If you really do love these bikes you wouldn't say those kind of things about these works of art even if the collector's etc. have you worked up I like the way my apple Krate rides and handles even after all the years, What wrong with the banana seat comfort? I have rode many off-brand muscle bikes [no Raliegh choppers thereof] friends , including some of my owen, had ride Quality handleing far worse then krate muscle bikes trying to understand




Subject: Muscle Bike "Kratelover"
Entered on: Aug 22, 1997 16:37
Entered by: Eddie

Message:
Hey Dale! I agree with you about the ridiculous prices on the schwinn (Krate Muscle bikes) by the collector's & Enthusiastic sting ray fans. I'm the proud owner of a 1970 "apple krate" I received for my 12th birthday in 1970 which is in perfect mint condition the bike looks like it just come out of the showroom a "perfect 10"which I love an cherish very much, to me they are the coolest muscle bikes every made.I still tool around on my apple Krate,an get the same joy [feeling & excitment] as I did on that first days ride. I don't understand how you can say in your previous messages how muscle bikes [Krate/picker series] are coolest looking rides around,but riding Qualities/comfort/handling in your opinion are terrible,an say you really do love these bikes, If you really do love these bikes you wouldn't say those kind of things about these works of art even if the collector's etc. have you worked up, I like the way my apple Krate rides and handles even after all the years, What wrong with the banana seat comfort I have rode many off-brand muscle bikes [no Raliegh choppers thereof] friends , including some of my owen, had ride Quality handleing far worse then krate muscle bikes trying to understand




Subject: krate comfort
Entered on: Aug 23, 1997 11:27
Entered by: Dave

Message:
In response to Eddie about ride comfort, I owm a cottonpicker which I will never give up and still ride around on time to time... becouse I like the plush ride an handling capabilitys, even if by some standards they where heavy, which is a sign of good Quality after all just look at the way when we were kids how we abused our bikes, but schwinn durability always shined. Think Dale just don't like krate/pickers an likes to deride our dream machines,"KRATE PASSIOATE" forever!!!!




Subject: sore butt
Entered on: Aug 23, 1997 14:40
Entered by: Jay B

Message:
Man` I rode many Offbrand Musclebikes, what a pain in butt those banana seats on chip bikes were, I'll takea ride on my mushy krate or 5 speed schwinn any day over those chip Offbrander musclebikes.I dislike when people condem good Quality products like (picker/krate/5 speed series) enough whining. Happy riding to all! even to the Off-brand MuscleBikers, Don't get me wrong I like all sting rays bikes, But favor the schwinns. Sorry Dale, Ha! Ha! P.S. Dale just remember the Quality craftmanship>detail that went into every schwinn bike, an how well the krates sting-rays held-up through our childhoods. Now that's Ouality, and why did we paid a little... more for these bikes "DURABILITY" Ho!!an becouse there the Coolest bikes around.




Subject: Sting-Rays
Entered on: Aug 23, 1997 15:11
Entered by: Jim

Message:
Sting-Rays and Krates are very comfortable and fun to ride.The only thing i don`t like when i ride my Rays is that all these kids tell me what a cheap looking "low-rider" i have.Sometimes i even get into arguments with them,now all these kids think Schwinn copied "low-riders".




Subject: Parts
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 14:45
Entered by: JR

Message:
I'm Looking for parts for my 1971 Blue 5 speed schwinn Sting-Ray, need, Metalflake Schwinn Banana Seat(RIBBED), an handgrips in metalflake Blue also, can anyone help me out




Subject: Re:Parts
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 21:45
Entered by: Jim

Message:
You should be able to buy those parts at a well established Schwinn Dealership.New,NOS,or repros are available.




Subject: tyler
Entered on: Aug 26, 1997 22:57
Entered by: carter

Message:
i have an brand new 60s tyler hi-riser that i just bought for $50 i am wondering if it would be worth any more than that right-now. someone told me that the tyler was made to compete with the sting-ray. if anyone has any info on what a it would be worth or knows about tylers please e-mail me




Subject: RE: Jim's Response to My Question RE: rims / rust , etc.
Entered on: Aug 27, 1997 12:42
Entered by: John

Message:
Jim , I tried the S.O.S. pads on my rims and some other chrome . It got most of it but there are still a few places left and there are a couple of dents / crimps .The same applies to my rear fender . Is there a good reliable place around to get a full range of parts I stll need tires , cables etc. , etc... I do not want to sell my '66 ray but I do want to try and keep it original .




Subject: Krate Bashing?
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 10:17
Entered by: Dale

Message:
This is for Eddie, Dave, Jay B, and Jim: Gentlemen! Gentlemen!! Take it easy on me! Please!! I feel like a politician in need of clarifying his record! Holy cats! I don't check this page for a couple days and now I've got a hord of people hating me! Just hang on a second! I LOVE Krates! The quality of these bikes by far and away blow all off-branders out of the water! Schwinn made the best stuff around back in those days! (and hence, the heaviest, too!) They were made the best, the styling was definitely the sexiest and you were the undaunted King of Cool if you were lucky enough to own one as a youngster. I have four Krates and four Raleigh Choppers and ride them all often! By comparison, (in my purely subjective and personal opinion), the Raleighs are just plain ol' more comfortable. The seat is longer and softer, the gearing is better for quick take offs, yet the actual "handling" is about the same... POOR! Although, this is typical of ANY 16"x20" bike. I honestly think that if you guys could set your emotions aside and find someone who is willing to let you ride a Raleigh Chopper that is in decent condition, you'd understand what I'm talking about. It'd be preferable if you could all do side by side comparisons. (ride one then IMMEDIATELY ride the other) Then maybe have a little drag race between a Chopper and a Krate. Like I said, Krates are the coolest looking musclebike around, as well as DEFINITELY being the best built, but I just don't think they have the agility of a lighter, more comfortable off-brander like the Chopper.




Subject: Pea Picker is available!
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 10:22
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Dennis! Yes!... my Pea Picker is available! I have no need for two Pea's, and besides, I don't feel like restoring another one! I have a `69 that is completely restored and mint, that is NOT for sale. Although, I have a `70 that is all original and in excellent condition, (minus the chaingaurd, though), that IS for sale. I want $550 plus shippiing for it. I realize this may be a little on the high side, but I'm not in any rush to sell it because of it's extreme originality. Drop me a line at usfmc7ww@ibmmail.com if you're genuinely interested. Take it easy, man!




Subject: SORRY!!!!!
Entered on: Aug 30, 1997 17:52
Entered by: Eddie

Message:
Dale, I truly apologize for coming down so hard on your judgment of Schwinn Krates, That was not my intent. I'm relieved knowing you think the Schwinn Krates/Sting-Rays were the best built Musclebikes. Thanks I needed to hear that from you, Because I through you truly disliked them. Cared less when you put them at the bottom of your want list, Hoping someday soon to ride a chopper an compare, But I think probably after the ride I'll still remain loyal to my Schwinn MuscleBikes. "Maybe I'm narrow-minded" once again I apologize, KRATELOVER FOREVER!.




Subject: Krate Values
Entered on: Aug 31, 1997 22:58
Entered by: Bob Hufford

Message:
We've all heard about the $17,000 Krate at the Schwinn family auction. I've heard of, but have not seen validation of, $4000 new-in-the-box Krates. I've seen asking prices up to $2500 for used Krates. What do these bikes actually sell for? What is the most *you* would pay for a Schwinn Sting-Ray Krate? I don't have one, but am just curious if all the hoopla is realistic ... Bob Hufford bhufford@mail.orion.org Deluxe64@aol.com




Subject: about ride quality
Entered on: Sep 2, 1997 14:19
Entered by: Mark

Message:
Hi, I'm glad I found this place. It seems like some of you guys really know a lot about those old bikes. My bike is a custom, sort of a muscle bike, and sort of a lowrider, made from Stingray parts mounted on an adult-sized (26 inch?) cantilever frame. Basically it has 20 inch wheels and a 45 inch wheelbase. Anyway, I ride mine for transportation, not for show, and I think that the ride is fair, considering that I'm 6 feet tall and I keep the banana seat as low as it will go. Anyway, I wanted to ask why the ride between the Raleigh choppers and the Krates is so different. I haven't seen the Raleighs. Do they have a different seat type, or a different stance? I'm really interested in making the most ridable and cool-looking cruiser with a small budget. I'm pretty happy with the one I've built, but you know how there's always that desire to do more. I have a Sturmey-Archer 3-speed on my bike, with the usual handlebar-mounted thumb shifter. Where can I get a big stick shifter to put on my frame, and can I get one without getting gouged? Non-Schwinn is fine. I also don't mind repro parts. My bike is for riding, not for value. (The frame is a Huffy, which I got for $10). Anyway, I'd appreciate comments, suggestions, etc. Please Email or post response here.




Subject: STINGRAYS
Entered on: Sep 3, 1997 00:01
Entered by: ERIC

Message:
Tons of StingRay parts are available from Hyper-Formance in AZ 602-961-0643. These parts are either original or reproduced. I've ordered from the company several times and can vouch for them-great quality, although a little pricey. Also, Schwinn is making more and more StingRay parts, check with your dealer for tires, seats and more. There is even a monthly newsletter put out on StingRays, anyone interested just Email me and I'll tell you how to subscribe.




Subject: girl's off-brand (?) bike
Entered on: Sep 3, 1997 22:57
Entered by: Jeannie

Message:
Hi. I'm trying to find my old bike or at least a picture of it. It's probably an off-brand from the late '60s. It's purple metallic, stingray-type body, girl's with a banana seat and sissy bars. All I can remember is that it said "Lady Avenger" on the side. Has anyone come across one of these? Please e-mail me if you know anything. Thanks.




Subject: Hey Dale your Krate
Entered on: Sep 4, 1997 13:13
Entered by: Dennis

Message:
Hey Dale I sent you an e-mail writing here in case you did not get. I would like to see your Pea Picker I am here in Mich so drop me a line. thanks Dennis




Subject: C.C.M. Mustang
Entered on: Sep 6, 1997 12:19
Entered by: josh

Message:
i have to agree with dan that the ccm mustang is a really great bike. so too, is thee CCM Cheetah. I own a CCM Cheetah that is in mint condition. it has all original parts, it is blue,three-speed-thumb shifter very original shaped banana seat and a medium back on it it has a girl's frame. I also have tw Rapido super DeLuxes the first is in very good condition-it has a boy's frame and is red-all original parts except front fender. the second is exactly the same, but has a front fender, is in better condition and i think is newer due to the straighter frame shape. does anyone know exactly how old these bikes are and what they are worth? also does anyone have a CCM Mustang 4 sale?




Subject: Hey Eddie!
Entered on: Sep 9, 1997 15:47
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Hey Eddie! No apology required! I can easily understand how what I said could be misconstued as Krate bashing, but that wasn't MY intent, either! Krates have a very special place in my heart, as does my 1971 Dodge Challenger R/T. Granted, it's not as comfortable as my `92 Mustang 5 liter, but it's twice as fast and looks twice as good. As a matter of fact, I WORK for Ford, but would never give up my mighty Mopar because of what it does for me emotionally-- simply by looking at it. My `69 Pea and `70 Cotton have the same impact. I wouldn't give them up for the world. Well, it'd take way more than what they're actually worth, in any event. The Krates are by far and away the coolest musclebike in history. Period. I just enjoy the other ones, too.




Subject: 71 picker its cool
Entered on: Sep 9, 1997 22:48
Entered by: notfast

Message:
hey dale i here the woodward dream cruise was a real drag this year? i recently took my krate to a car show and i was swamped with offers to buy it some as much as $900 believe it or not i dont want to sell it,how much do you want for yours?by the way your mustangs not fast!!




Subject: Muscle Bikes .vs. Muscle Cars
Entered on: Sep 10, 1997 09:19
Entered by: jj

Message:
I'm seeing more and more muscle bikes, especially Sting-Rays, displayed next to muscle cars at car shows.




Subject: COTTON PICKER
Entered on: Sep 10, 1997 20:41
Entered by: HERB

Message:
HEY DALE ABOUT YOUR RALEIGH CHOPPER COMPARING TO A SCHWINN KRATE THATS LIKE COMPARING A HARLEY TO A HONDA!!!! OR SHOULD I SAY BSA OR EVEN COMPARING BEVERLY HILLS TO ROYAL JOKE MICHIGAN




Subject: Swivel Bike?
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 10:56
Entered by: Steve

Message:
I just picked-up a Swivel Bike and I would like to know if anyone knows the history of this model, original colors and somewhere that I can see a picture of an original example to compare. Thank you. You can e-mail me at valiantind@aol.com if you would like.




Subject: Drag race?
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 16:20
Entered by: Dale

Message:
HEY HERB! Chill, dude! If I didn't know better, I'd say you're someone I know! Because anyone knows that Royal Smoke is twice as cool as the Birmingham-wanna' be of Beverly Hills! Incidentally... since it's fairly obvious that you're local, how about a little drag race? Bring your Krate and I'll take you on with my wimpy 3-spd Chopper! I won't even have to unleash my 5-spd derailluer Chopper on ya' in order to teach you "what for"! Ha ha ha!!!




Subject: notfast
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 16:22
Entered by: Dale

Message:
$900 for your Krate at a car show? Holy cats! Were they handing out hits of psychadelic drugs at the door?! Man!! You should have taken it!!!




Subject: BIKE SHOW
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 17:47
Entered by: NOTFAST

Message:
HEY DALE DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIKE SHOW IN OHIO ? WHEN OR WHERE?MAYBE SINCE I CANT AFFORD ANYMORE KRATES ILL BUY ONE OF THOSE CHOPPERS FOR MY WIFE




Subject: MUSTANGS VS CHALLENGERS
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 18:27
Entered by: HERB

Message:
DALE EVEN THAT I DONT AGREE WITH YOUR VIEW ON KRATES I REALY LIKE THOSE OLD MOPARS UNLESS THIER YELLOW!!!




Subject: MUSTANGS VS CHALLENGERS
Entered on: Sep 11, 1997 18:17
Entered by: HERB

Message:
DALE EVEN THAT I DONT AGREE WITH YOUR VIEW ON KRATES I REALY LIKE THOSE OLD MOPARS UNLESS THIER YELLOW!!!AND ABOUT YOUR RACE ANY TIME!!WHEELIE CONTEST??BUT I REALY DONT LIKE THE HOOD NEAR PARKER STREET SO HOW ABOUT JOY RD. & TELEGRAPH OR EVEN BETTER DETRIOT DRAGWAY THIS SUNDAY!!!!!




Subject: Drag race?
Entered on: Sep 12, 1997 14:46
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Yo, Herb! I'd love to take you on in a little drag race and/or wheelie contest! Heck... I'll race ANYBODY just so long as they don't work at a Ford dealer! I wouldn't want to damage my prestigeous reputation by lowering my standards! But in regards to the swap meet... there's one in Perrysburg on the last weekend of October at Memory Lane. It's supposed to be a real good one! I might be able to accommodate you in your quest for a Chopper! That'd be cool, because then you'd have a bike for "show", (your Krate), and one for "go"! (your Chopper!) Oh, and I don't want to race at the Detroit Dirtway anymore... those "River Rats" have a tendency to give you your timeslips on the back of White Castle receipts all stained with grease! Yuk!!




Subject: WHEELIES
Entered on: Sep 12, 1997 18:59
Entered by: RICK

Message:
ALRIGHT DALE SO YOU KNOW WHO I AM,WELL I HAD FUN FOR A FEW DAYS! HEY IF YOU DONT SELL THAT PICKER BY NEXT WEEK I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IT OUT!! TAKE IT HOME MAYBE??/ I WOULD ENJOY CHECKING OUT ONE OF YOUR CHOPPERS TOO!JIM IS GOING TO TAKE ME FOR A RIDE IN HIS BEE,SO ILL BE IN YOUR NECK OFF THE WOODS,E-MAIL ME IF YOU STILL HAVE YOUR PICKER,KRATEFREAK@AOL (PS. DID JIM TELL YOU?)




Subject: Tricky Rick!
Entered on: Sep 13, 1997 10:19
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Hi there, Rick! Actually, I knew it was someone that Elvis knew since you compared a Harley to a BSA, (Jimbo is the only guy I know with a Beezer), and then you made reference to my Mustang's license plate! (NOTFAST) And besides, you are the only guy that Jim has EVER mentioned doing ANYTHING with the internet and musclebikes! It really wasn't too difficult! Anyway... Jim tells me that he was gonna' take you for a ride in the Super Bee and then bring you over to check out my `70 Pea for sale. That'd be cool! This is providing that I don't sell it to some guy in Ohio that's been working on me for a while. I sorta' gave him first dibs. I'll tell Jim to let you know on Monday what's happening with that deal, okay? Regardless, you guys should come over so you can take one of my Choppers for a spin and check out my Pickers! Okay? Take it easy, man!




Subject: Stingray Fastback
Entered on: Sep 13, 1997 23:59
Entered by: Ed

Message:
I have just recently aquired a schwinn stingray fastback bike. It is yellow and is a 5 speed with stick shift and it is in very good original shape with the tires and seat and even the cables in very good shape and everything works and I was wondering when it was made and how much it would be worth in excellent shape. The serial number is HG050363. any information would be appreciated. Thank You.




Subject: krate price,s
Entered on: Sep 14, 1997 17:03
Entered by: Eddie H

Message:
I am a novis mussle bike collector I have a 73 lemon peeler with an original disk brake that i just finished restoring. I payed 500,00 for the bike it was originally an apple krate it was in pretty good shape and 100%there but i've allways liked yellow so i desided to totaly restore it to a lemon peeler. I bought all of the parts from hyper formance rays new seat paint decals silk screening ect. as to date i have over 850.00 in the bike in parts only not including labor since i did all the work my self. The bike looks better than new and is a real eye catcher but now i understand why people ask so much for these bikes but it is less expensive than restoring a car and they take up less room.




Subject: Restoring that Krate
Entered on: Sep 15, 1997 09:11
Entered by: keefer

Message:
You bet it is cheaper than restoring a car. And there's no gas or antifreeze or other leaky fluids to muck with. I swear, an old bike has all (or more) of the appeal of an old car - everyone (men and women) had a bike at one time. And there are definately some very cool old bikes. When I take my bikes and my show car to a car show, the bikes get more attention from the women, and that's what I like!!!! keefer.




Subject: Krate Coaster Stuff?
Entered on: Sep 16, 1997 14:50
Entered by: Dale

Message:
I have what is supposed to be a 1971 Lemon Peeler coaster bike. Does anyone know what the correct front sprocket and chaingaurd looks like? Are the rims pretty much standard stuff as compared to the special drum front and 5 speed spinner out back of the 5 speed models? Any information on these Krate Coasters would be greatly appreciated since I want to restore this guy. Either post a response or email me at peeler@rocketmail.com Thanks!




Subject:
Entered on: Sep 16, 1997 22:26
Entered by: RICK

Message:
HEY DALE ,I SEE YOU BROKE DOWN AND BOUGHT ANOTHER SCHWINN,(I HEARD WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT)AT THE SALINE BIKE SHOW A SAW A FEW COASTER KRATES,ALMOST PURCHASED ONE IT WAS MINT AND ONLY $200 (I MISSED OUT ON THAT ONE!!)ANY WAY THE FRONT SPROCKET WAS NOT A MAG IT WAS MUCH SMALLER ,AND IF YOU NEED A CHAINGARD JOE ADAMSON, HAS A FEW!!LET ME KNOW ABOUT YOUR PICKER I RELLY WANT THAT BADBOY!! (I DONT REALY WANT TO SETTLE FOR A CHOPPER) HAA HAA!!




Subject: Coaster Krates!
Entered on: Sep 17, 1997 08:32
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Yo! Rick!! Yeah... I figured that Elvis would be telling you about my "find" at the flea market! I think I may have seen the same coaster Krate as you did at the Saline show. The one I saw was a nicely restored Lemon, but the yellow was a shade too light. Too bad. Anyway, it was a nice job on a complete original coaster for only $200! The only thing that steered me away was the wrong color. I guess I still should have bought it. Are you and Elvis gonna' come over this weekend to check out my Pea Picker? C'mon down!! Bring money, too!! Talk to you soon!




Subject: Coaster Krates
Entered on: Sep 17, 1997 18:51
Entered by: Bob Hufford

Message:
What are some of the differences (besides the obvious) between 5-speed Krates and coaster Krates? How does the fork differ? What chainguard does it use (and what other models use the same guard)? I would be interested in building one if I knew which parts to look for.




Subject: RE: Coaster Krates
Entered on: Sep 18, 1997 08:41
Entered by: jj

Message:
I'd say $200 was a great price even if the paint was wrong on that Lemon Peeler. I think the coaster Krates used a smaller mag sprocket, like you'd find on a 3-speed Fairlady or maybe a 5-speed Sting-Ray. They also have the 'Regular' chaing guard (not the rounded chrome on like a Fastback or 5-speed Krate. Same front springer. Same rear seat shocks.




Subject: Coaster differences.
Entered on: Sep 18, 1997 12:05
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Are there tube length differences between a coaster frame and a 5spd frame? And what's the difference between an S2 and an S7 rim?




Subject: Sears Screamer
Entered on: Sep 19, 1997 15:37
Entered by: Chris

Message:
Any Sears Screamer nuts out there? Looking for parts and infomation. Thanks Chris




Subject: Question on Lemon Peeler stuff
Entered on: Sep 20, 1997 23:08
Entered by: John H. in NJ

Message:
HELLO! I'm obviously John, and i need some expert advice! I recently decided that, even with my current financial downside, that i simply MUST have a Lemon Peeler! They are the favorite bike of one of my favorite bands the Gigolo Aunts and that's how i found i like them! I know it'd be a snowball's chance in hell that i'd find a decent model (any year) for under $200! Of course there is always the "old lady's son's old bike" kind of luck so i am keeping my hopes up! I would settle for any of the series...they all look the coolest...who cares how they ride!? I live in NJ and i would love if anyone can point me to a bike show in my area! OK, my question is...what are the chances of me going to a Schwinn dealer and finding enough parts to build a similar style muscle bike from scratch? i live near a licensed dealer, are the chances better there? PLEASE EMAIL ME!!! I am looking NOW! Later!




Subject: Gigilo Aunts, huh?!
Entered on: Sep 21, 1997 12:10
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Hey, John! How's it going, man? I saw the Gigilo Aunts when they came to the State Theater in Detroit, and they were awesome! It's too bad you weren't here when that happened because they GAVE away a `70 Lemon Peeler at the show and they rode it around on stage during the concert! I did my darndest to win that sucker, but to no avail. You're gonna' be hard pressed to find a Krate-type bike for under $200, but you never know... just keep your eyes peeled, (no pun), on all the local flea markets in your area. And now, to lead into your other question... no, you really can't build a Peeler/Picker/Krate from scratch simply by going to your the Schwinn dealer. All that they have are rear slicks, banana seats, sissy bars w/shocks and a couple other things. But what you CAN do is, go ahead and buy these items from the Schwinn dealer, hit the local flea market and pick up an old Sting Ray, (like I did last weekend for about $12), and THEN go to your closest "low rider" bike shop and buy a springer front end kit for about $40. That'll get you the majority of the parts you need to at least make a "clone"! You can always get a regular 16" wheel from a bicycle junkyard for about $5. Keep in mind, this pseudo Peeler would have to be a coaster, (as the 5spd frames are harder to come by), but this will help keep the total investment under $200. The 5spd model would require not only the special 5spd frame, but then you'd need a drum brake 16" front wheel, and you could spend $150 on that one part alone! I hope this helped. Good luck!!




Subject: Choppers are #1!
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 08:30
Entered by: Dale

Message:
Well, Rick? Were you as impressed as you should have been when you rode my 3spd Chopper yesterday? Or is your vision of what a musclebike SHOULD be still too tainted by Schwinn to provide an objective opinion? You've got to admit though... that seat is mighty-joe comfortable! Well?! What did you think? And what about your brother? Was he happy with the purchase of his new Pea Picker? Don't forget to give Elvis that 16" rim for me! Later, man!




Subject: DALE
Entered on: Sep 22, 1997 20:53
Entered by: RICK

Message:
HEY DALE HOWS IT GOING,MAN YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN US LAST NIGHT!!! 2 GROWN MEN RACING OUR PEE PICKERS THROUGH THE STREETS OF TAYLOR,DOING WHEELIES!!NEEDLESS TO SAY MY BRO LOVES HIS PICKER,(THANKS)AS FOR THE CHOPPERS IT ROAD REAL NICE ,BUT SO DOSE A CROWN VIC(HA,HA)I GOT TO ADMIT THEY ARE NICE AND MAYBE EVEN RIDE BETTER,BUT I STILL LOVE THE KRATES!MAN IS YOUR COTTON PICKER NICE!!!!!!THANKS AGAIN




Subject: #$%#@%##%%%^@$^%$ Kickstand
Entered on: Sep 23, 1997 21:29
Entered by: Jay

Message:
I have a Schwinn "Slick Chik" that I want to make into an "Apple Crate" to match my 68,,,, but the kickstand has been cut off at the nub... How can I remove it?????




Subject: WANTED: Stingrays, Krates, Choppers
Entered on: Sep 23, 1997 21:44
Entered by: Eric

Message:
If you are selling a stingray, krate or chopper with 3-5 speeds for under $100, please email me. must be in "restorable" condition. good paint if possible. Eric




Subject: WANTED: Stingrays, Krates, Choppers
Entered on: Sep 23, 1997 21:57
Entered by: Eric

Message:
If you are selling a stingray, krate or chopper with 3-5 speeds for under $100, please email me. must be in "restorable" condition. good paint if possible. Eric




Subject: RE: #$%#@%##%%%^@$^%$ Kickstand
Entered on: Sep 24, 1997 08:26
Entered by: jj

Message:
Schwinn sells a special tool (of course) for removing them. If there is a bike club in your area, maybe you can borrow one. The kickstand comes out real easy with this tool.