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BALLOON:how old are these bikes? posted by: gordo on 4/28/2007 at 1:22:16 PM
Hope you fellows can help. I'm a big time 60'-70's light weight geek but, today I picked up a couple of old America balloon tire bikes. Looking for some info so, I'll know what to trade them for.

1. An old Western flyer full fendered, hair pin spring troxel seat, super skinny seat post(diameter of a dime), it curves forward 90' toward the stem, torpedo head light on the front fender, red jewled pedals skip tooth chain wheel front and back. Very Art-Deco head tube badge.
Here is what I find odd, the seat tube is curved with the contour of the rear wheel, like an old track bike.

2 Mercury girls bike, super skinny seat post(diameter of a dime), hair pin saddle, skip tooth front, regular rear. The top and middle tube are lugged onto the seat tube, 24" wheels.

Any info on these will be appreciated,
gordo
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MIDDLEWEIGHT:Spaceliner V. Flightliner posted by: Jeff on 4/28/2007 at 12:58:30 AM
How can you tell a Spaceliner from a Flightliner (or any of the other "liner" models from Sears).I picked up a Sears middleweight that I thought was a Spaceliner missing the tank assembly. Could it be a Flightliner? It's all chrome (even rear carrier) has a springer fork and grab rail seat. Haven't scrapped the crud off to find the serial number yet. Any assistance would be appreciated??? jeff
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          RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:Spaceliner V. Flightliner posted by Gordon on 4/28/2007 at 5:34:54 AM
The frames are quite different. A Flightliner has the lower set of top tubes coming back and meeting the top tubes just in front of the seat tube. On a Spaceliner the lower tubes are separate from the top tubes all the way to the rear hub. If that doesn't make any sense, email me and I'll send you pictures.
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          RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:Spaceliner V. Flightliner posted by ken on 4/30/2007 at 10:55:11 AM
Jeff, the features you describe were available on Flightliners. Chrome frame was the Deluxe model; it usually had a Bendix kickback hub. For at least a while the fork wasn't really a springer, it just had truss rods. I have a picture of a Flightliner without the tank if you want to see it.
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MISC:Heaven posted by: theCCMguy on 4/17/2007 at 8:02:31 PM
I was on a Dutch site looking for info on my 1974 Gazelle Impala and found this image there.How would you like to come across something like this in your hunt for parts?Like I said, HEAVEN.


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          RE:MISC:Heaven posted by Chris on 4/18/2007 at 4:09:20 PM
Everything is tangled together!

The owner does not care he's retiring, He's glad to stick it to the other folks who wanted this stuff and because we are strangers and not his wife's aweful relatives and he likes us, me in particular.
Oh, the truck is here! Finish up your lunch we have work to do.

Thanks for the picture!
It brought back fond memories of the good old days.
Joe asking: "Where the heck are you getting this stuff?"

He never showed emotion except when I hit the really big hauls.

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MISC:Any info on Bel-Ami Cycle Company? posted by: Casserole on 4/17/2007 at 7:41:06 AM
I have a old frame with the head badge from Bel-Ami cycle company. The number stamped on the head badge is 2839. Does anyone have any information on this company or where I can find more info.
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BALLOON:   What is the make of the bike posted by: Joe on 4/16/2007 at 12:35:56 PM
Wha is the make of a bike that has the name on the chain guard Space Liner...the bike is mostly chrome and has balloon tires...thanks, Joe
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          RE:BALLOON:   What is the make of the bike posted by Joe on 4/16/2007 at 1:25:28 PM
I found more on the bike that I had asked about earlier...the bike has a serial# 502 469540 738621 and the name New Departure...does anyone know anything about this bike and what the make of the bike is...is that the name of the make? New Departure?...any help will greatly be appreciated....Thanks, Joe
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          RE:RE:BALLOON:   What is the make of the bike posted by nate on 4/17/2007 at 5:16:31 AM
It's a Sears Spaceliner. You'll find pictures and info in the picture database and the archives here.
New Departure is the name of the company that made the bike's coaster brake.
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          RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   What is the make of the bike posted by Ken on 4/17/2007 at 10:37:26 AM
Even money the New Departure brake isn't original to the bike. And it's middleweight, not balloon.
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AGE / VALUE: posted by: junk on 4/15/2007 at 7:07:21 PM
who is going to the lame ass copake auciton.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by ken on 4/17/2007 at 10:45:42 AM
Not sure what your problem is. Here's the auctioneer's side of the story:
"...a c.1891 Gormully & Jeffrey two track tandem adult tricycle and a rare c.1897 Carroll chainless. Both machines came fresh from estates in New England and been in the owners families for many years. We will also be offering 10 highwheels, 5 hard tire safetys, some cool pneumatics (including a Wolf American and Indian!), some early tricycles and more. We also have some wonderful memorabilia (especially for Wheelman collectors!).

Vintage collectors will be pleased with the offering as well. We have a 1937 Roadmaster Supreme, 1952 Schwinn Phantom, 1937 Dayton Super Streamline, 1933 Colson Hi-Lo, a few Dayton twin flex models, 1938 Elgin Bluebird and lots more! We have plenty of accessories, parts, posters and prints, original art and collectables all relating to the bicycle! "
I'd certainly stop by if I were in the neighborhood.
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by Chris on 5/3/2007 at 1:36:41 PM
Copake?? Did I read this as somebody saying Copake is lame ass?

Are you totally on drugs or something?

Copake is one of the most best and prestigeous auctions for vintage bicycles on the planet.

I can't think of anything bad to ever say about the Copake auction. It's a blessing to be able to attend these. looked forward to and love by collector bike folks everywhere more than you'd guess. Tell us your beef with Copake. This, I have to hear.
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AGE / VALUE:old 50's/60's? SuperCycle Tricycle want to confirm age posted by: Lex on 4/15/2007 at 5:57:01 PM
hi- just wanting to confirm age/era of this cool little trike. I think it is 50's or 60's, but wondering which. The pedals and grips aren't original. Solid rubber tires. Very heavy solid steel with that huge front fender/wing. Made in Canada for CanadianTire Corp, Supercycle brand. (I think the tag actually says MasterCycle, but it is CanadianTireCorp) Wondering if I should let my neighbour's kid ride it all summer, or whether it's worth keeping as a collectors piece.


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          RE:AGE / VALUE:old 50's/60's? SuperCycle Tricycle want to confirm age posted by Scott on 4/16/2007 at 12:37:53 AM
I think it deserves preservation.It may not be worth alot but it is interesting.It looks like a Thistle.(Hard to say because for some reason I could only see the top part of your pic.)I recently found this little trike at a garage sale and couldn't pass it up. I'm not sure of the year, but it's a Raleigh Lion trike with chain drive to back wheels. It's got 16" solid rubber tires and a rod-brake on the front wheel.I'm going to hang it from the ceiling in my workshop.I don't want it being used.It's survived this far and is still pretty mint original.I would gladly add yours to my collection.


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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: old 50's/60's? SuperCycle Tricycle want to confirm age posted by lex on 4/16/2007 at 9:26:32 PM
sorry about the pic, it should be working, when I go to the site it loads fine. At any rate, it's not a Thistle, it is a Canadian Tire bike, as the crest says. I have a Thistle, big men's bike, too. Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's 50's. It's a little bike, not like your trike. It's for a little kid, maybe 4-6 yrs. Would be very cool to hang, but the neighbour thinks it's the best thing ever, and I'd like to see it get some use, looks like it's barely been used. And the kid really wants it. You know how that is.... we all wanted cool bikes!
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          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: old 50's/60's? SuperCycle Tricycle want to confirm age posted by Scott. on 4/18/2007 at 2:28:34 PM
I here you there. And besides, the child will grow out of it soon enough.As long as they take care of it, you can get it back in roughly the same condition.The one I have is a little bit larger but the seat only comes up to my knee.And that's with the seat post fully extended.The only reason I don't want this one ridden is because it is a flimsy design. It has already been repaired(welded) once.
I do agree that bikes are made for riding.Not just wall art.I have 35 vintage bikes and ride them all(at some point).But I'll never be able to ride this one.


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          RE:AGE / VALUE:old 50's/60's? SuperCycle Tricycle want to confirm age posted by John Monson on 4/22/2007 at 5:24:12 PM
I have an original Schwinn World Traveler bicycle purchased in 1953. First one with 3 speed shifter, chrome fenders and generator on rear tire. All original. My father bought it for me in 1953. Still can be riden. Anybody have an idea what the value is???
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:old 50's/60's? SuperCycle Tricycle want to confirm age posted by Scott on 4/28/2007 at 2:54:26 PM
It's probabely worth alot. Do you have any pics? Check out bicyclechronicles.com. Totally Schwinn site!
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AGE / VALUE:"America" Mfg. by Excelsior; Michigan City, Ind. posted by: Sherry Riebli on 4/14/2007 at 7:36:01 PM
I'm trying to determine the age and value of an "America" bicycle manufactured by Excelsior, Michigan City, Ind. My bike is green with a tank, fenders, rack, large coil suspension on front fork, red rubber tires and very wide handlebars. All parts/paint appear original. The number stamped on the down tube is: J289518. Any info. would be appreciated.
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AGE / VALUE:Schwinn tandem brake posted by: Spike on 4/13/2007 at 6:01:24 AM
I posted this in the tandem section responses there appear slow to non excistantthere so trying here.I refurbed an Atom drum brake on a 70s Schwinn tandem.It seems to stop better but not as I expected.Even though adjusted so it is lightly rubbing and tight cable I can still bottom the hand lever against the grip.It stops pretty good but I expected more.
Front caliper is signifigantly better.Is the drum intended more for extended heavy braking with a load and not expected to lock up a wheel?How thick are the brake linings?
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn tandem brake posted by Scott on 4/16/2007 at 12:46:49 AM
The problem might be cable stretch.Because the cable is so long it's stretching inside the sheathing.The drum brake should be able to skid the back tire no problem.I would suggest changing the cable for one for a motorcycle or a bmx.They are much ticker and wound differently.Worth looking into.
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BALLOON:FENDER BRACES posted by: Gene Kelly on 4/12/2007 at 6:58:56 PM
I NEED INFO.ON THE FENDER BRACES ON THE J.C.HIGGINS DELUXE 100 AND COLOR FLOW.I HAVE SEEN BOTH WITH THE FENDER BRACES MOUNTED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENDERS AND SOME MOUNTED ON THE INSIDE,WAS THIS A YEAR TO YEAR THING.IS THERE A CORRECT WAY WHEN DOING A RESTORE. THANKS FOR ANY HELP
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AGE / VALUE:can any body help me??? posted by: danny robichaud on 4/10/2007 at 5:35:24 PM
i found a MINT SHAPE!!! ccm encore girls bike, two small tubes going down frome the handel bars to the pedals green in color, original ,hardly a scratch on it... what is it worth?
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:can any body help me??? posted by theCCMguy on 4/10/2007 at 9:31:05 PM
I believe the Encore is a single speed coaster brake model. Kind of an olive green. Being a single speed women's bike will keep the value down. Women's bikes were 60-70% of their annual production.Here is a copy of my CCM serial number chart 1921-1975 to help you figure out the age
1921 - A#####
1922 - B#####
1923 - C#####
1924 - D#####
1925 - E#####
1926 - H#####
1927 - K#####
1928 - L#####
1929 - N#####
1930 - P#####
1931 - S#####
1932 - T#####
1933 - V#####
1934 - W#####
1935 - X#####
1936 - Z#####
1937 - #A####
1938 - #B####
1939 - #C####
1940 - #D####
1941 - #E####
1942 - #H####
1943 - #K####
1944 - #L####
1945 - #N####
1946 - #P####
1947 - #S####
1948 - #T####
1949 - #####A
1950 - #####B
1951 - #####C
1952 - #####D
1953 - #####E
1954 - #####H
1955 - #####K
1956 - #####L
1957 - #####N
1958 - #####P
1959 - #####S
1960 - #####T
1961 - pending verification
1962 - pending verification
1963 - E#####-pending cross referenc
1964 - pending verification
1965 - pending verification
1966 - pending verification
1967 - pending verification
1968 - A#####
1969 - B#####
1970 - C#####
1971 - D#####
1972 - E#####
1973 - F#####
1974 - G#####
1975 - H#####
I would say the value would be somewhere around $30-40.
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AGE / VALUE:an old hawthorne: how old, worth anything? posted by: floyd ramp on 4/10/2007 at 9:27:54 AM
howdy. i have an old hawthorne, but don't know its vintage or its value. any ideas?

thanks,
floyd r.


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          RE:AGE / VALUE:an old hawthorne: how old, worth anything? posted by Ryan M on 9/6/2007 at 7:57:45 PM
Have you aquired any info on your hawthorne. I believe i have the same bike in red. I am trying to get info on the style/year to rebuild. I saw a picture in the picture archives of a 1961 mont. wards bike that looks exactly like mine, but i wanted to confirm it and start aquiring parts.., thanks
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AGE / VALUE:testing posted by: xfilesxxr on 4/10/2007 at 6:00:49 AM
testing
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AGE / VALUE:CCM Columbia dateing posted by: Jeff on 4/8/2007 at 5:22:47 PM
I`m in need of some info to help date a CCM Columbia bike.I`ve searched all over the net with no luck.Mabey someone here can help.Not sure which parts are original but they might be all.# on the seat tube.1B7740
It`s a 28" wheeled frame.Double bent top tubes.Seat stays bolted at the seat tube riveted at the chain stays.The rest is lugged.Truss rod fork.Clad wheels.Perry B100 coaster.7/8" 7 seat post.1 3/4" BB shell with 3 sided taper spindle.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:CCM Columbia dateing posted by nate on 4/9/2007 at 5:19:00 AM
Someonw posted a message a week or two ago, either under this topic or maybe it was the musclebikes topic, who said he had a list of CCM serial numbers.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE: CCM Columbia dateing posted by Jeff on 4/9/2007 at 5:26:51 PM
Thanks much.I`ll check into it.
Jeff
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AGE / VALUE:Firestone "880" Speed Cruiser posted by: Thom Keeton on 4/8/2007 at 5:08:13 PM
Oh yeah, the number stamped into bottom of crank bearing housing on the "880" Speed Cruiser is J44098 if that's any help....
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:Firestone posted by chuck on 8/2/2009 at 10:06:34 AM
i have one of these also , starting to restore. if you find the year please let me know im curious also
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