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AGE / VALUE:   vintage? posted by: simon on 11/25/2006 at 12:19:25 PM
I'm hoping that someone out there can help me with the vintage, make and value of a bicycle that I have picked up. The serial number reads 37859HAW. The HAW leads me to believe that it's a HAWTHORNE , but the head badge reads WESTERN FLYER western auto stores. I don't believe that everything on the bike is original, but of the saame vintage. I have search the web to find any pictures and info, but have come up short in my efforts. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Simon
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage? posted by Gordon on 11/26/2006 at 5:47:04 AM
Many of the balloon tire Hiawatha, Hawthorne and Western Flyers were built by the same company, Cleveland Welding. They were all identical bikes with the exception of the headbadges, decals and in some cases the headlights were different. I don't know if that explains the situation with your bike, but it could be they ran short of frames for a Western Flyer run and just used some Hawthornes they had on hand.
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AGE / VALUE:   Which one to keep, if any posted by: Ian Lindridge on 11/21/2006 at 11:02:14 AM
I have just come into possession of two Schwinns. From the serial numbers I have a 1957 lady's Hollywood and a 1965 men's Typhoon both with white painted wheels. The Hollywood is in ok shape needing not much more than a good cleaning and new handlebar grips (maybe new spokes); the Westwind tires are in good shape and hold air; the fenders are ok; needs a rear reflector and the red reflective tape removed.

The Typhoon has rusty wheels and the frame is well, quite worn and the chrome parts are rusty. Fenders are really beat up and the front is bent and crimped at that point. Needs new pedals too.

Both have chainguards, but both need better saddles.

So, do I keep the Hollywood and with some time have a nice looking bicycle that my wife could ride with me on my wonderful Dyno beach cruiser? Or do I use the Hollywood wheels/tires, pedals, cranks, bars, etc. for the Typhoon? The fenders will need to be replaced and probably sometime the frame repainted. There is quite a bit of rust where the paint is worn and polishing would leave much of the bare frame exposed. Then I would have a good paint job with not so new other parts. I would also like to change the Typhoon handlebars to the much wider 'wheelbarrow' size.

I much prefer the look of the men's cantilever frame. I don't collect Schwinns tho' I do collect bikes of "interest" to me and my heart without having to rent additional storage space! I have the thought to convert the Typhoon to a lowrider but that would cost as much as restoration tho' would look very nice. (I could purchase a brand new lowrider for what I could build however) Any suggestions from the experts?

Thanks in advance,
Ian Lindridge in Mpls/St. Paul area
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Which one to keep, if any posted by nate on 11/22/2006 at 6:18:13 AM
First off, I think you should keep them both if you can find the space. Both are cool bikes.
DOn't be discouraged by the rusty chrome on the Typhoon. Schwinn made great chrome and I'll bet that rust can be cleaned up and look like new.
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BALLOON:   Museum exhibition posted by: Jeff Stevens on 11/20/2006 at 1:16:23 PM
Hello, I am writing a proposal for a bicycle exhibition at the San Francisco international airport museum approximately two years from now,and I am trying to locate bicycle collections in northern California. I am not sure yet if I will focus the exhibition on heavy or middle weight bicycles, it all depends on what collections are out there. Most of our exhibits are planed two years in advance and last for approximately six months. I want to exhibit ten to twelve bikes and am proposing the exhibition take place in the new international terminal.

If you believe you might be able to point me in the right direction to collections in northern California, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Jeff Stevens
San Francisco international airport museums
Email; whlr70@hotmail.com
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MISC:   What model is this posted by: Chris on 11/17/2006 at 8:54:38 AM
I have a Shwinn bicycle that according to the serial number was built in April of 1955. I am trying to figure out what model it is and if any one knows where i might find an original picture of one. The serial number is R16742. Thanks Chris
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AGE / VALUE:   what kind of frame is this? posted by: Elliott on 11/14/2006 at 1:16:44 PM
I have what i think is an early 50s schwinn balloon bike frame. can anyone tell me what model it could be?


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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   what kind of frame is this? posted by nate on 11/15/2006 at 6:23:14 AM
Maybe a Spitfire?
Look at the Schwinns in the picture database on this site.
Also, the serial number will tell you the year.
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   what kind of frame is this? posted by ken on 11/17/2006 at 8:58:46 AM
There's no percentage in trying to guess the model from the frame. That frame style appeared in about '38 and could be equipped with who knows what, rebadged, whatever.
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AGE / VALUE:   Monark Silver King posted by: Cherie Willis on 11/14/2006 at 7:43:44 AM
I just got a Monark Silver King. How do I find out the year? There is no serial number any where on the bike. It appears to be mid to late 50's. Also is this the Swedish bicycle Company?
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Monark Silver King posted by George on 11/22/2006 at 5:43:48 PM
The Monark bicycles were made in Chicago, IL. Not the Monark, Swedish motorcycles. The Monark bicycle company was on Grand ave. in Chicago. They produced their brands of Silver King as well as house brands for Mongomery Wards and Firestone. Should be a serial number stamped near the left rear axle mount or a plate underneath the crank housing. George S.
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MISC:   Bendix two speed overhaul posted by: Jim on 11/11/2006 at 10:25:43 PM
I am looking for someone to rebuild a Bendix two speed coaster hub. Any suggestions?

Thanks-
Jim
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          RE:MISC:   Bendix two speed overhaul posted by Gordon on 11/12/2006 at 6:47:01 AM
2 speed manual or automatic? Either way you can probably do the overhaul yourself. Mark Smith has some good info these hubs on his website, www.bunchobikes.com.
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AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by: Terri on 11/3/2006 at 8:59:42 AM
This is a repost from the lightweight discussion. I can't work the pic stuff but can email some if you contact me through my email at 4rfan4@sbcglobal.net. I bought this bike at an antique store and would like to restore. Looks all original except seat cover. Almost identical to Western Flyer golden anniversary issue except tank has light that wraps around forks and looks like owl eyes when they meet in the front. I don't have internal parts for it or switch and can't find anything that is close to the parts. Is this a rare light configuration? Also need the lens cover for the back but have the rest. It has a Komet Super hub and had original tires from Western Auto but had to replace because of cracking. Need help in restoring or should I? Thanks for any help! Terri
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by terri on 11/3/2006 at 3:26:05 PM
By the way the # on the bike is MOS 2082 101-5o2. Sorry, I forgot to put it in the above message.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Skip Intro on 11/4/2006 at 9:14:35 AM
If the tank wraps around in front of the forks, it could be very very valuable.
Don't restore it - restoration can kill it's value. Just clean it up.
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Terri on 11/4/2006 at 10:27:52 AM
To the above message, can I send you a pic? We really would like more information and am I chasing a wild goose looking for the lights that might have fit in the tank? It is very unusual. My daughter wanted it for xmas (she's 19)and doesn't want a new one but would like the lights working. Thanks, Terri
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Jim on 11/5/2006 at 3:28:11 PM
Terri,
From your description, it sounds like you have one of the "Flyer" series; there was a Sabre Flyer, Silver Flyer, Sonic Flyer and Cosmic Flyer. These were all middleweights (26 x 1.75 tires) from the late 50's through the early 60's. All of these had the tank and lights that wrapped around the headtube. Since you need the lens cover for the back, I'm guessing the carrier has a light unit instead of reflectors, which is leading me to believe it may be a Sabre Flyer. Does the bike have a spring fork and does the chainguard have anything on it? If you'll send a photo(s) I'll try to ID it further.
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by terri on 11/5/2006 at 6:33:40 PM
Jim, I don't know how to upload the pic stuff but yes it has a light on the back and spring fork. There is also a reflector on the rear tire fender which all fenders are chrome as well as the chain guard. It is all black except the front forks are orange on the lower half. Only other detail is some slight white pin striping on forks and the light rack in the back. The tires which I believe are original are solid black. Any ideas of value? Hope this helps.
Terri
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Jim on 11/6/2006 at 8:52:23 AM
It sounds more and more like the Sabre Flyer. It was the deluxe middleweight for Western Flyer, with the jeweled pedals, Mylar trimmed saddle and the Davis Deluxe whitewall tires. In 1962, it retailed for $62.95. As to value, the middleweights are rising in popularity but don't have the collector following of the balloon tire bikes and especially the pre-war bikes, so your bike (in good to excellent condition) could range from $100 to $300. If someone needed that particular model to complete a collection, then the value would be whatever they wanted to pay. In the case of the lights, most bikes of that era have had batteries left in them and thus rusted the battery tray. Sometimes battery trays from similar style bikes can be substituted, but then usually require you to drill some holes in your tank (since the screw locations are different). Best bet is to try to find a good tray from that particular model, but then you may spend several years or more. If your daughter wants to ride it, why not just get an aftermarket modern light that mounts on the handlebars? They are infinitely brighter than the old ones, and can be removed so no damage is done to the originality of the bike. Also, make sure to get the rear hub repacked. The grease tends to harden over 40 years, and you need to be able to stop when you want!
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Terri on 11/6/2006 at 9:54:05 AM
Thanks, I just sent pics to your email and then found your note. Think we will just go ahead and repaint. I haven't looked at the tray in the back yet but it might be too rusted to fix. It rides great and stops fine, so maybe someone who owned it before did some work on it. Thanks again, Terri
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Sonic Flyer 19--? posted by Ron on 1/15/2010 at 5:48:00 AM
Bought this at an estate sale...interested in age and value or market. Thought about using it as yard art but seems a waste if anyone wanted to restore it. I can email a pic if anyone is interested
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Jamie on 1/28/2010 at 3:44:18 PM
Hey, I have a WESTERN FLYER SONIC FLYER BIKE IN BRIGHT BLUE WITH A HEADLIGHT, BACK FENDER, AND GLITTERY BLUE SEAT WITH RACING STRIPES ON IT. I BELIEVE IT IS FROM THE LATE 50, LIKELY EARLY 60S?? IT WAS A LUXURY MODEL. I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE ONLINE. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YEAR? AND ITS WORTH. THANKS.
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Jamie on 1/28/2010 at 3:44:41 PM
Hey, I have a WESTERN FLYER SONIC FLYER BIKE IN BRIGHT BLUE WITH A HEADLIGHT, BACK FENDER, AND GLITTERY BLUE SEAT WITH RACING STRIPES ON IT. I BELIEVE IT IS FROM THE LATE 50, LIKELY EARLY 60S?? IT WAS A LUXURY MODEL. I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE ONLINE. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YEAR? AND ITS WORTH. THANKS.
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Mike on 3/11/2011 at 2:58:28 PM
I have a bike I will send you a pic of that I believe to be a 1962 western flyer. I am looking for the light kit for it. I have absolutley no idea of where or how to go about restoring it. Please advise. I say 1962 due to the discussion above.


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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by Mike on 3/16/2011 at 10:36:22 AM
Does anyone have the chainguard for this bike? Or have a places to go check?


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          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by william duncan on 1/2/2011 at 9:50:29 AM
i have a western girls western flyer sonic flyer lights work little rust for sell
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1959? posted by jj on 1/3/2011 at 4:36:09 AM
Can you post some pictures?
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AGE / VALUE:   NAME THIS BIKE! posted by: Gina on 11/2/2006 at 3:19:31 PM
Hi. I have a blue & white girl's bike I found at flea market for $10. The handlebar grips are white and say "Schwinn", but the medalion thing on the front of the bike says "Jet." The only other markings I can find are "N+S" on the kickstand, and what looks like the word "Komet" on the brake (where it attaches to frame on the left rear part of the bike.)
On the upright stem that goes to the seat there is a sticker close to the pedals that says "Made in West Germany."
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!!

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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn year identification posted by: Andy Root on 11/1/2006 at 5:38:48 PM
Need help identifying year of my 26" Schwinn American Flyer sold by the Louisville Cycle Company. The ID number is C63719, I has a sweetheart skip tooth sprocket, New departure coaster brake and has the red and gold Schwinn Chicago decal on the seat post. I also have a Schwinn frame and chome tank ID #C53333. Is this the correct frame for a Black Phantom?

Thanks,
Andy
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn year identification posted by ken on 11/17/2006 at 9:14:29 AM
Are the numbers on the left rear dropout, Andy? If so, 52-53 is safe. The skiptooth is usually associated with prewar but they always used what they had, and furthermore someone may have have changed it along the way. Serial numbers don't translate to models; the same frame could be a Phantom, a b-6 (standard autocycle) or a rebadge.
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BALLOON:   JC Higgins Colorflow posted by: Kimm on 10/31/2006 at 7:44:07 PM
My mom recently gave me her bike from when she was little. A little research tells me it's probably a Colorflow, possibly from the early 50's. Does anyone know where I can get more infoon the year or possibly parts on these for restoration? I really only need the back reflector and headlight
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          RE:BALLOON:   JC Higgins Colorflow posted by nate on 11/1/2006 at 6:18:49 AM
Lots of info on them in the databases here at oldroads.
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AGE / VALUE:   Info on Streamliner posted by: Jeff Forbis on 10/29/2006 at 7:17:50 PM
I have this bike from a older gentleman from my church he says it is a 1948 streamliner, I know nothing about bikes. Can someone please give me some information on it please.
The front plate also says it was manufactored for the B.F. Goodrich Co. I have more pictures I can email.
Thanks,
Jeffry


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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Info on Streamliner posted by nate on 10/31/2006 at 6:17:46 AM
That is a very valuable bike with some great accessories.
You'll find info on them in the archives here and also check the price guide.
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          ID posted by Gary M on 10/31/2006 at 9:53:41 AM
send pics of other side and serial numbers. dont sell it
its worth a whole pile of coins. serial is on bottom of crank i bet, i think this is a 1950 or so.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Info on Streamliner posted by Jeffry on 11/1/2006 at 1:26:25 AM
Thanks for the replies. Gary can you send me your email address, and I will send you more pictures. I have a bunch of them. The gentleman that ownes the bike wants me to find out how much it is worth and sell it for him, and his sister has one just like it, except it is a womans. Any help would really be appreciated. I am not a expert at bicycles by no means. I sure could use some good honest help on this one. Jeffry
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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Info on Streamliner posted by nate on 11/1/2006 at 6:20:40 AM
Jeff, be sure you know the true value of the bike before selling it. You may get some people making lo-ball offers and they'll just turn around and sell it for a lot more.
Bottom line with any of these old bikes - make sure you know what they are worth! Some are junkers and some are high-dollar gems, even in poor condition.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Info on Streamliner posted by Jeffry on 11/1/2006 at 12:10:51 PM
Thanks Nate. I ordered a few books and I think that my wife and I will take the bike to some people that know alot more about bikes than we do. This man trusts me to sell it for him, so I really want to find out everything I can about it. Jeffry
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Info on Streamliner posted by Jeffry on 11/2/2006 at 8:04:15 AM
Hello,
Here is somemore info if anyone can help serial#D70756.
Maybe someone can help me figure it out. Thanks so much, Jeffry

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          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Info on Streamliner posted by Gary M on 11/2/2006 at 12:23:21 PM
gmain2@charter.net i am sure your holding a real high dollar peice.
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BALLOON:   Schwinn Ballon Frame Measurement posted by: Tim McGuire on 10/25/2006 at 8:49:08 PM
How do you measure to determine if a 1954 Schwinn DX Men's bicyle frame is a 26" or 24"? I'd like to buy a frame on e-bay to restore, but the seller doesn't list if it is a 26" or not.I need to ask the right question or give them a measurement. Thanks for the reply back.
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          RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Ballon Frame Measurement posted by Gordon on 10/26/2006 at 5:47:39 AM
Balloon tire bike sizes referred to the tire size, 24 inch or 26 inch diameter. Later road bikes began the actual frame measurements you are familiar with.
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AGE / VALUE:   Does anyone know what year this bike is? posted by: Dale on 10/23/2006 at 7:09:10 PM
Can anyone look at this bike and tell me what year it is? I know it is before 1960 because it has a 1960 bicycle permit on it. It is a Rollfast, ok condition, and expected rustis visible. Also it is a girls bike, looks like an adult bike.


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AGE / VALUE:   spoke and nipple id posted by: Jim on 10/23/2006 at 12:37:33 PM
I have a bunch of old spokes I'm sorting, on the face of the spokes most have a 4 dashes say at the 2, 4, 8, and 10 o'clock postions, others have a small "s", some have what appears to be intersecting "8"'s. I'm also trying to match the nipples. I think the gauge size for them are .105 and .120. They came from an old whizzer guy; any help?
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