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AGE / VALUE:   A Slave To eBay! posted by: JimW. on 12/15/2002 at 1:20:15 AM
I couldn't help myself. I found an old ORLINE bike engine conversion on eBay, and bid on it. I got it, even though I really didn't need it, and there are plenty of other bike bits on my current shopping list. But, I got it, for about $80 including shipping. Not bad, especially compared to the prices new bike engines are going for.

It showed up a couple of days ago. (Every day is Christmas, to an eBay Junkie!) When I got it out of the box, I spent several hours admiring it, and cleaning it off with a rag and mineral spirits. What a sweet little setup! The painted parts are Caterpillar yellow, and it's very well made. The engine is tiny and jewel-like. The round cylinder barrel has the thinnest and closest-spaced cooling fins I've ever seen. All the castings which make up the cylinder, block, and associated gearbox are very nicely made; much nicer than most modern weed-whacker engines. I could polish this thing up so it looks like chrome, I'm sure, without a great deal of imperfection-fixing, because it doesn't have imperfections. Yes, Americans once made manufactured goods, and they made them well.

The engine and kit was made by Ohlsson and Rice, a pioneer in engines for model aircraft. This engine is from the '40s, I presume, since O&R had dissolved by the early '50s. The model aircraft heritage is pretty obvious in this engine. It looks just like a scaled-up model airplane engine. I'm really looking forward to getting the engine and mount perfect and tricked-out, and mounting it on my 24" Hawthorn from the '40s. This will be a very fun project.

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   A Slave To eBay! posted by Roger DiRuscio on 12/28/2002 at 2:15:16 AM
The O&R bike motors date from the 1960s to 1970s before they went out off business, I repaired them at the dealer I worked at until 1977. They look cute, but never ran as good as they looked. I have 2 of the chicken power bike motors myself. They were used as incentives for paperboys, go out and sell a bazillion subscriptions and we will give you this wizzbang motor to help you out. my collection is posted at roger1.cjb.net just schroll down to O&R. I also have the power drill, hedge trimmer, tiny tiger generator, and a military spec. motor used for who know what. You $80 purchase was a good buy in my book.
Roger

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   A Slave To eBay! posted by JimW. on 12/29/2002 at 11:06:33 PM
Hey Roger, That's a fabulous collection there. I had to tear myself away, but I'll be back to look at all the stuff I missed. Until I went away to college, I had the beginnings of such a collection, including one of those Maytag twins, a B&S from the same period, an ancient outboard, a Harley Hummer, all sorts of mopeds, etc. Unfortunately, while I was away, my parents had the barn it was all in torn down. What they didn't give away ended up buried in the same gully as my '53 Oldsmobile.

My O&R is definitely older than the Chicken Power example you show. It matches the military engine you show, much more than the Chicken Power. It has exactly the same flywheel shroud, for example, as well as the cylinder shrouding panels and pull rope handle. The mounting bracket is similar to that of the Chicken Power, though. Just based on such design details, I'd date mine no later than the '50s.




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Earnshaw Road arrow posted by: Roger DiRuscio on 11/28/2002 at 5:57:58 PM
I Ran across the bike motor and have not been able to find any information on the net about it.
Are these motors related to the Shaw bike motor??
The motor itself looks like a 4 cycle in that it has intake and exhaust valves
but does not have a oil sump and burns 2 cycle oil mix fuel. I have posted some pictures on my website for those interested
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=30431933&f=0
solarrog@pacbell.net

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   More on the Aquarium valve... posted by: Rif on 11/20/2002 at 8:04:08 PM
A while back I posted about using a brass aquarium valve between the stock gas tank on my Tecumseh engine kit and the moped gas tank.
The update:
You MUST disassemble the valve and seal the threads with some sort of gas resistant sealant. The bloody thing will leak all the fuel out of the "reserve" tank (the one that comes mounted on the engine itself). Chalk another one up to experience...
Secondly, while you have the valve disassembled, put the thumbscrew throught the top cap and solder (well away from any gas or gas fumes-DUH!)a small "keeper/retainer" on the shaft below the top cap but above the threads for the valve itself. I discovered that when this valve is open, for use of the reserve tank, the damn thing vibrates out and you'll spend hours looking for it! All the while gas from BOTH tanks is flowing out all over the place.
Just a tip.
Rif

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by: Cal on 11/20/2002 at 3:16:09 PM
What are your feelings about electric .vs. gas power for a bicycle? In my experience, gas (specifically a 2-stroke weed whacker motor) beats the heck out of electric, but it ain't "green" enough for my liking.
Anyone get any performance or range out of electric at a cheap price?

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by JimW. on 11/20/2002 at 5:02:56 PM
Not "green" enough for you? What's "un-green" about a motor vehicle that will deliver 150 MPG? Electric bikes suck. Paying three times the price for something that isn't nearly as efficient strikes me as being about as "un-green" as you can get. I'd suggest that you start thinking with your brain, and not with your knee. Damn! And I was trying so hard to be a kindler, gentler person on these lists. Another good resolution goes down the drain. Oh well...

Internal-combustion engines are also preferable simply because they sound better. If someone comes out with an electric motor which snarls, I might be interested, in spite of the cost penalty. But until then...

My next motorbike project will have (three) weed-whacker engines on it. And it'll still be more cost-and-performance-efficient than any E-bike. When the stuff that oozes out of your wall outlets is generated by solar energy, rather than burned coal, or oil, or nuclear fission, electric will be "greener" than a hyper-efficient IC powerplant. Until then, it's just a fashion statement.


          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by Rif on 11/20/2002 at 8:19:56 PM
I gotta agree with Jim on this one. The emissions requirements now placed upon 2-stroke engines, combined with the mileage you get from them makes this "greener" than most vehicles you'll find out on the market these days.
Electric bike technology has not yet reached the point of practicality as far as power and range. They are still nothing more than the playthings of the rich; used for scooting around the estate.
I highly recomend a liquid fuel powered bike to anyone who wishes to get involved in the Motobike hobby...
Rif

          RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by Cal on 11/27/2002 at 4:25:02 PM
Alright, nevermind my "green" comment. Jim, say away from the coffe, will ya? You're right, electricity came from some place and you can bet it wasn't solar.

I've ridden bicycles with the Sears or bike Bug friction wheel gas engines that sit over the front wheel. Never ridden a Whizzer but i like the look a lot more.

Are you saying the weed whackers I can buy at Home Depot today meet the new 2-stroke pollution requirements?

Does anyone sell plans for putting a 4-stroke lawnmower engine inside a bicycle frame?

          RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by JimW. on 11/27/2002 at 5:17:32 PM
Sorry. I only had two cups this morning, so I'm more "mellow" today. 8-)

I've never seen actual plans for such, but it's certainly been done. There are at least two examples in the BikeRod&Kustom Gallery- one by Larry Louterback, one by Hal Paquin. There's also an archived interview with Larry by Rif Addams, in which he talks about considerations of the conversion. The biggest factor in a conversion like that is the size of the engine. They tend to be fairly large and heavy, as compared to a weed whacker-style engine. As a consequence, the engineering has to be more complicated. They generally have greater HP ratings than a street-legal motorbike is allowed, also. There are smaller 4-stroke engines; Honda makes one, for example, as does Ryobi. Dave Carr makes friction-drive adapter kits for those engines. carrprecision.com

The biggest drawback to those small 4-stroke engines is that they are considerably more expensive than the 2-stroke equivalents. I personally favor 4-strokes, as I prefer the engine sound,but price/value generally favors the 2-strokes.

Any 2-stroke engine in a consumer product made in the past few years should meet federal emissions standards, that's what the standards are for.

In either case, small engines on bicycles have negligable impact on the environment, unlike the bloated, low MPG SUVs so popular with people who only pay lip service to concern about it.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by edgarecks on 11/27/2002 at 5:37:39 PM
These guys http://www.mbikey.com/index.htm sell a lawnmower motor bicycle.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by Chris( who else) on 12/3/2002 at 10:34:08 PM
Electric bicycles? Well, Lets just pick it up and see if this idea is ready to go just yet. UUUMMPPH! Oh, My Gawd! Are you serrious? it's too heavy! I ain't gonna pedal that monster 5 feet if that battery goes dead on me out on the trail. Sorry, Nope! Not for me! Now after that, I have been ignoring them altogether these newfanged electric bikes. The sticking point is that the current batteries are too heavy, the cost of the thing in the first place and possibly that tires and such things are more expensive than regular bicycle - type parts.
I'll have to ask how many of them they have been selling.
Now do channel surf back and forth between the two choices here.Gas vs Electric. We, or our kids or grandkids will get back to the subject here because when a lightweight battery that is practical is invented or let through the pipeline and if nobody important someplace objects to the common Schmuck (like me!) having the thing? Then yes, electric bikes quite possibly will be all the rage. Now maybe, because I have not seen every electric bicycle and risked further dislodged discs in my back getting the darned thing in and off the car rack just perhaps somebody has come up with a lightweight battery. I have not gone laying hands on every electric bicycle out there and done more lift tests.
Another thing, is you would be at the limit weightwise for most car racks. I mean, they are designed for bicycles, todays bicycles, not something that weighs probably a few pounds under the weight of a moped. You don't want that 1000.00 shiny electric bicycle to be crashing off that rear car rack when you are tooling down the boulevard. Now I don't care if you have yours fall off or not,( joking) but then again, It might be me or mine that has this thing go into the grill and well, it's better to be safe than sorry. This is probably not an issue as the whole motoring public is driving these awful, excessivly large behemoths( These modern S.U.V. things) and so you can probably just put the rear seat back and slide in the heavy electric bike. So no rear rack is needed. So many men drive these awful big and usually domestic( shudder!) trucks and now women too( the types you don't wanna mess with 'cuz they'll stomp you) with so just put it in the truck. Really, however,if you have two people to lift it in and out of the Denali or Yukon monstrosity than you'll be fine and dandy and have no problem carrying the thing.
Hmmm.... What else can I say about electric bikes?
Hmmm. Oh yes, parts availability? Tires,brake cables, wearable parts? tools? breakdown repair issues? Do I have to go to some special place to get a tire? Will I have to go through a lot to replace the original reflective lined tire or will I be at the bicycle shop finding out that the plain generic tire they have to offer is less than I wanted quality wise?
I have never seen folks in the bicycle shops with these electric bikes. Another question to ask! Can they even repair them? Have they been schooled and trained? Do they have a shop door sticker announcing to the world "Hey! We fix electric bikes!" I never got past the weight issue.
Once again, because I have not been looking at car racks and asking this question like: "How will I carry this electric bike?" "What rear car rack do you recommend for use with this thing?" (example type questions) I cannot say exactly. But you could ask and go weightlifting yourself and let me know. There is some verse in the bible about the earth being corrupted or poluted because of the inhabitants sins or some such saying so I figure "Aw, Go with the gasoline engine and have fun!" Were living in perhaps the last days anyhow with songs like.. 'Change in the weather' on the radio and all the frightening current events on the tele and here you wanna be green? Please.
But... I do see big changes on the way and if we have more time and the end does not come? Than we'll be using green technology. Until then? The oil companies have us in their grip. Another electric car was just mooted by Ford. Lack of demand was the reason? I'll go with the gas bike motor( not the Ford!) there are new and diffrent versions of that happening. Web sites and fan groups about gas bike motors. You'll have faster acceleration, 150 miles per gallon and it makes a cool little noise to boot! Besides, if I don't go with a gas engine then none of my skip tooth, sweetheart crank balloon tire Schwinns will ever see any use ever at all! With the 26 X 2.125 s2 balloon tire rims I love to go bouncing along with a motor in the thing. I liked the Solex car idea and Solex in general that was shown at the Lazy Walker page. However, last time I looked the Lazy walker folks were gone and they took the ladies with them.
What electric kit can you put on any bike? Do I have a choice here? My Chicken Power equiped Schwinn Wasp has a Sturmey-Archer 3 speed hub with a skip tooth cog and the Sweetheart crank and skip tooth chain and so I can pedal this thing somewhat easily if I run it out of gas or in case of mechanical breakdown. What interests me is the old British autocycle type stuff.The motorized bicycles from Britain from the 1950's and 1960's I'm looking for something cool and tasty vintage wise that I can put a Honda engine in and under the original engine cover. Gas powered engines without question should only be by Honda or Shidaiwa, or Yamaha because like it's.... reliable? Besides what has **** or ******* done for bike motors recently? I gave a old mini bike to a pal and when I mentioned this recently another pal said Oh, why? Did you want him to get hurt? I said "Of course not, why? The answer was that the old 1960's and 1970's mini bike folks with those Briggs/ Techumseh engines had the motors blow up with pistons flying up into peoples crotch area and "Oh Yes, didn't you know they got hurt with those?" I had to call him and relate this new bit of news and he already knew it. Problems with the new gas motors that folks are putting on bicycles? I have not heard of that but you need to jump in the scene there and ask a lot of questions. Usually, no problems these days. Motorized bicycles are lots of fun and I recommend that you look at everything available and then make you choice.Take a look at Cushmans, or Solex, or a whole host of cool choices. You don't want to be like me and be puttering along one day and see something even more way cool and be going "Oh, Why didn't I get me one of those?"

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Electric .vs. Gas posted by Chris on 12/9/2002 at 10:09:46 PM
Howard Hughes had a motorized bicycle and charged neighborhood kids to ride on it. Of course,the motor attachment was his creation.
The book was interesting. He crawled out of bed and danced around on one leg delighted that..... Well, you should read that for yourself!




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Engine Feedback Wanted posted by: JimW. on 11/19/2002 at 9:08:10 PM
Gary Silva, of 3G cycles has a friend who's about to come out with a new bike motorizing kit. It drives the bike at the crank location, and uses a freewheeling crank system. He's going to manufacture the 4-stroke engines there in Taiwan. I've suggested that he design a different engine for it- a 50CC V-twin 4-stroke, rather than the usual one-banger. Not only would it look really cool, but it would sound like a small Harley. What do you guys think of this idea? If your response on this list is overwhelmingly positive, it could make a real difference as to whether my suggestion is taken, or not. So let's hear what you think.

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          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Engine Feedback Wanted posted by bill on 1/8/2003 at 2:15:56 AM
I found a company that make a harley model engine it real pricey I found it looking for model engines on the web Bill

          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Engine Feedback Wanted posted by Rif on 11/21/2002 at 1:09:35 AM
SIGN ME UP!!! NOW!!!
I'd be totally into that. H3LL, I'd hock my family for one o' dem bad boys!
Please make them!!!
Rif

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Engine Feedback Wanted posted by JimW. on 11/21/2002 at 3:15:41 AM
I told Gary that I'd swim to Taiwan for one. And I wasn't kidding, very much. We've got an interview with Gary in the works for the next issue. If you've seen his new bikes, you've seen that several are named after motorcycle landmarks, Sturgis, Daytona Beach, etc. And they look a lot like M/Cs, too. I asked him if he'd consider offering an optional motorizing kit for them. It's already in the works. He's doing it with the engine guy mentioned above. That's when I made the V-twin suggestion. Everybody cross your fingers.

          RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Engine Feedback Wanted posted by Rif Addams on 11/22/2002 at 7:18:02 PM
Fingers are crossed and I'm ready!
BTW- The California mot's saddle arrived the other day...
Once again Mucho Thanks go out to Sam Lingo for making this dream a reality!!!
Rif

          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Engine Feedback Wanted posted by sam on 11/22/2002 at 10:40:38 PM
My 2 cents:Designing a motor from scratch would be costly,is there any V twin minnie motors out there? Maybe out board ,heavy chain saws,Or what ever that might be adapted.Does Honda make one?

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Engine Feedback Wanted posted by JimW. on 11/26/2002 at 5:04:47 PM
I've never found a V-twin in this displacement range; and I've been looking pretty hard for a long time. Yes, it's a lot of work tooling up to manufacture a new engine, but the guy's already doing that, with a one-banger. There are lots of that type of engine out there already, even 4-strokes. It makes little marketing sense to go to the trouble to enter an already mature market with an engine so similar to a lot of competing products. The real key to sucess is to introduce a product no one else has, but for which there would be sizeable demand. A V-twin 50CC 4-stroke engine is the exact product which would really find demand. And it would certainly stand out in relation to the rest of the field. And the coolness factor would probably make it popular for other many other applications. A chainsaw which sounded like a Harley Davidson would find ready favor with chainsaw fanciers, I'm sure. The hard part is gearing up to manufacture any engine, from that point, whether it has one or two cylinders is not really a major factor.




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Monark posted by: Roy on 11/17/2002 at 7:49:26 AM
LQQking for Monark super Twin parts or anything super twin!
Roy

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Monark posted by Michael on 11/19/2002 at 3:07:03 AM
Roy, I am also looking for anything super twin, What have you got?




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   monark 2cylinder 2 stroke posted by: Michael on 11/14/2002 at 3:32:46 AM
I have a Monark motor bike I believe to be a factory built job. Does anybody know anything about the bike. I need afew parts but have no idea where to look. HELP

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Yawwwwn! posted by: JimW. on 10/26/2002 at 5:30:33 AM
Man, it this list ever boring! I keep coming here and not seeing any new posts. I guess it's up to me to liven things up.

This time, I won't do it by launching an unprovoked attack on some poor innocent victim. Instead, I'll tell you about a project in the offing. After the holidays, Dave and I will be building two prototype frames for a new stretched cruiser frame I've designed. The frame is designed to be easily motorized. So one of the prototypes will be a full-zoot kustom, and the other one will be a motorized hot rod version. It will be fitted with (3) 32cc Mac 2-stroke engines. My thinking: since a tricked-out engine is the coolest thing you can put on a bike, three tricked-out
engines would be the ultimate in coolness. Any comments?

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Yawwwwn! posted by Rif Addams on 10/26/2002 at 4:46:45 PM
so how does one go about synchronizing the motors?
It's a cool project, but that's the one big glaring question in my mind.
:-}
Rif

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Yawwwwn! posted by JimW. on 10/26/2002 at 8:17:47 PM
I dunno 8-)But I'm sure I'll think of something.
They don't necessarily need to be synchronized exactly, especially if they all had those little centrifugal clutches that many of these engines come with, but I'm inclined to have them all linked together with timing belts anyway, without the clutches, except for the clutch in the Comet drive I'm planning to feed their input into. All the throttle linkages would be working in unison, after tuning with an optical tachometer. There are many examples of this sort of scheme being used on drag motorcycles, one of the most notable 3-engined bikes being called "The Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe." Great name, huh?


          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Yawwwwn! posted by JimW. on 10/26/2002 at 8:17:59 PM
I dunno 8-)But I'm sure I'll think of something.
They don't necessarily need to be synchronized exactly, especially if they all had those little centrifugal clutches that many of these engines come with, but I'm inclined to have them all linked together with timing belts anyway, without the clutches, except for the clutch in the Comet drive I'm planning to feed their input into. All the throttle linkages would be working in unison, after tuning with an optical tachometer. There are many examples of this sort of scheme being used on drag motorcycles, one of the most notable 3-engined bikes being called "The Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe." Great name, huh?


          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Yawwwwn! posted by sam on 10/27/2002 at 10:37:00 PM
BORING!This group just does more planning!HA!HA!Rif's takin the wyman2 frame to Bob and I got a belt drive in the works but need to "plan"more as the motor mounting system I was using sucks.But my wife gave me a torch set for another B-day(I should stop having them)so now if I get time between other projects maybe I can figure a cool way to mount the whacker motor wizzer style in the frame---back to planning--sam

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Yawwwwn! posted by JimW. on 10/28/2002 at 6:14:52 AM
That's a great wife you've got there, Sam! All mine ever gives me is a hard time about the bike and engine parts all over the place.

For an on-line picture of the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe, 3-engined beast, go to:
http://www.rceng.com/about.htm

$5 Frank has been sending me links to other engine monstrosities. Here's one that has a huge 5-litre V-twin made from a pair of cylinders from a V-12 WW2 bomber engine.
http://users.hunterlink.net.au/'ddped/rrv2.htm
And a V-12 bike which is probably faked, but fun.
http://users.hunterlink.net.au/'ddped/joebody.html


          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Yawwwwn! posted by Rif on 11/9/2002 at 4:15:19 AM
Sorry kids,
I'm extremely going crazy at the moment!
Some of it fun, some of it not so much...
As you all know I'm finishing school to recieve my A. A. degree. That's quite a work load in itself.
I'm also currently sitting in with the local Rock Band 'King Dinosaur' there's a little more time.
Most importantly I'm working on the Wyman recreation stuff in various aspects. As well as the '51 Ford hot rod inspired Schwinn Pre-War Kustom project (it's coming along quite nicely!). Also tweaking on my MotoBike.
Finally the county 'Yard Nazis' (as I prefer to call them) are forcing me to get rid of, or put in storage, various old cars, bicycles, interesting architectural ornamentation, and the various bits and parts thereof.
Basicly the newer neighbors who have moved in don't like my yard art and 20 year collection of wierd, interesting, wonderful junk & stuff.
For any Social Distortion fans out there I quote:
"We have to go,
the neighbors have complained.
We have to go..."

That really irritates me because I had to move my parts and parts bikes out to the barn I used before as a shop. It was getting broken intothough, that's why I moved out of it.
This means a 45 minute drive if I need a part or to do something; all the while hoping that it all hasn't been stolen.
I'm not really complaining but hey, it's a bit of a damper on my day.
So anyway, to sum up, this is why I've been so boring lately...
Keep on Keepin' on fellas'
Rif :-)
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WANTED:   Wahizzer Parts!!!!...1947/48 posted by: Mike on 10/11/2002 at 7:28:41 PM
Looking for flywheel and clutch assembly!!!!Anything out there????Thanks!!!

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AGE / VALUE:   valentine tri cicle(motoriz posted by: seperated on 10/9/2002 at 11:45:34 PM
does any one know or heard of valentine bikes?

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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: whipped on 10/9/2002 at 11:39:00 PM
werke parazion/durex parts came on ??? bikes.paint looks like it might have been a german ww2 motorized bicycle.any werke parazion info will help.thanks

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Schwinn Tri-Wheeler posted by: Ben Siebel on 10/7/2002 at 1:46:58 AM
I just bought a Schwinn Tri-Wheeler and now I'm trying to figure out what to do with it. I'm thinking of making it into a custom motorized bike. I may use it for delivering produce in the future.... does anybody have any ideas???

I may re-configure the frame, change the rims, handle bars, and add a springer fork and disc brakes..

I like the look of the older motorized bicycles..

If anybody has any ideas that would be great!!!

Thanks,

Ben

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Schwinn Tri-Wheeler posted by Chris on 12/3/2002 at 10:43:21 PM
The one I saw was powered by a common car battery. There were too many old Raleigh's and thankfully then I was not crazy enough to get that too! Sounds like fun, it's stable with the 3 wheels. However, Those 26 X 1 3/8 wheels are not the best choice to be loading down onto with a motor and heavy battery. Can you lace 28 X 1 1/2 English Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. rims onto this? Then again the front fork is an issue.




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Whizzer pacemaker information posted by: mark on 9/22/2002 at 5:38:18 PM
Hi,
I am looking for some info on my whizzer I have. It is a 1948 pacemaker
with an "H" motor, serial number is H136775 and frame number is 10057. I
think it is a very early pacemaker. What do you think about it??? How
can I find out more about my bike???

Thanks
Mark

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Whizzer pacemaker information posted by john martin on 10/6/2002 at 11:31:08 PM
What do you want to do with it? Is it for sale?
John

          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Whizzer pacemaker information posted by Bill Russell on 10/10/2002 at 4:58:53 AM
Mark,
My understanding is that only the very earliest 1948 Pacemakers had H engines. The majority of Pacemakers of that year had J engines. Also, I believe the first 500 pacemakers had a gusset near the head tube. A good place for information is www.geocities.com/whizzer_17044/main.html.

          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Whizzer pacemaker information posted by mike on 10/11/2002 at 7:25:33 PM
Hi Mark....I'm presently restoring a Whizzer....is yours for sale??Drop me a note in any regards!!!Chow

          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Whizzer pacemaker information posted by Whizzerick on 11/28/2002 at 8:49:14 PM
Bill is right about the first 500 Pacemakers. They where built by Cleveland Welding and had a rounded gusset at the head tube. Your engine number is a LATE H model. Ate the motor mounts welded or 'clamp on'?. Is the seatpost bicycle style or are the seat mouts welded? ANY Pacemaker is a great find. Any Whizzer is a great find...
whizzerick




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   wanted posted by: jerry on 9/16/2002 at 11:27:27 PM
Looking for fishtail muffler for marmon motorbike , also . Have parts to trade or will buy outright.

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   JC Higgins Mortorized with Free Spirit Front Mounted Motor posted by: Mike on 9/15/2002 at 6:04:31 PM
I have a JC Higgins bike with a Sears Robucks Free Spirit front mounted motor. Everything is all original (did run) before storeing it. Motor Model # 298 488530-Sold by Sears Roebuck and Co. Chicago, ILL 60684 - Made in Japan. I am interested in sell it but do not know it's value. I can sent pictures if anybody is interested in it.I would appreciate any information on the value of it.
Thanks,
Mike

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   JC Higgins Mortorized with Free Spirit Front Mounted Motor posted by Rif on 9/15/2002 at 7:16:44 PM
Hi Mike,
Please see the postings a little lower down on the list.
It's hard to guage the value without seeing it in person, but I would recommend you get in touch with Mike Schneider. He is the expert I.M.H.O. on these motor kits.
Hope this helps,
Rif

          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   JC Higgins Mortorized with Free Spirit Front Mounted Motor posted by Mike Schneider on 9/18/2002 at 6:06:53 PM
Mike:

Some photos would be a great place to start from.

I have bought and sold these engines for the last 4 years.

I paid $5.00 for my first one at a garage sale. I have bought an old new in the box for $200.00.

I have seen them sell form $35 to $230 on ebay, depending on the shape they were in and the particular interest at the time. I have had people ask for $450 for an old new in the box.

If you are selling it out of your area shipping is about $20 to $25.

I have not seen many buyers wanting to ship a bike.

I can keep my ears open for you.

So send some pictures - I'll tell you what I know.

Mike

          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   JC Higgins Mortorized with Free Spirit Front Mounted Motor posted by Mike Schneider on 9/18/2002 at 6:07:41 PM
Mike:

Some photos would be a great place to start from.

I have bought and sold these engines for the last 4 years.

I paid $5.00 for my first one at a garage sale. I have bought an old new in the box for $200.00.

I have seen them sell form $35 to $230 on ebay, depending on the shape they were in and the particular interest at the time. I have had people ask for $450 for an old new in the box.

If you are selling it out of your area shipping is about $20 to $25.

I have not seen many buyers wanting to ship a bike.

I can keep my ears open for you.

So send some pictures - I'll tell you what I know.

Mike

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