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REPRODUCTIONS:   Need values for 3 reproduction bicycles posted by: Sharon Nealeigh on 1/2/2001 at 11:27:15 AM
I am trying to value three reproduction bicycles: A Schwinn Black Phantom 7-speed reproduction (black and red); a Columbia modern reproduction of a Five Star Superb bicycle (green and white); and a modern reproduction of a Western Flyer bicycle (red and black, gold trimmings). Does anyone know where I can get some information with regard to retail replacement value on these bicycles? I'm "spinning my wheels" trying to find the right websites or sources of this information.

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          Clip on Bicycle Motor posted by Simon on 1/2/2001 at 5:46:25 PM
My brother just gave me a small English clip on Bicycle motor. It has an egg shaped petrol tank and drives the front wheel (I an fairly confident of this) directly from the crank shaft which has an abrasive finish. It simply drops onto the wheel and drives it. I assume that it works on the same principle as a golf cart in that when you throttle off the motor simply stops. The Amal carb has no idle jet which tends to support this theory. There is sadly no identification on it apart from the Wico-pacy mag and Amal carburator, which is why I assume its English. I have looked on other Moped sites and have only confirmed that it isn't a Trojan Mini-Motor or a Power-Pack. If anyone can help me with identification and or the precise method of attachment I would be very pleased. I have plans of attaching it to my 1957 Hercules 28" bike and then watch out New Zealand!
Cheers
Simon Dew

          RE:REPRODUCTIONS:   Need values for 3 reproduction bicycles posted by tom on 1/10/2001 at 10:11:53 PM
dear sharon, the western flyer is $895.00 retail(just bought one 3 days ago $450.00) the phantom is $519.00(just priced one last month at local schwinn dealer) hope this helps, tom.

          RE:REPRODUCTIONS:   Need values for 3 reproduction bicycles posted by Jim Divoky on 1/14/2001 at 6:08:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com has become the price book on collectible prices.

Schwinn Black Phantom 7-speed reproduction
Available at http://www.memorylane-classics.com for $1700
Three sold on Ebay recently for $946, 999, & 1425. All by the same seller, 13Mark. %517 seems low but I do recall a sub-$100o dealer price on them as year or so ago.

Columbia modern reproduction of a Five Star Superb bicycle
I purchased one new in the box on Ebay 1.5 years ago for $500

reproduction of a Western Flyer bicycle
Rideable Replicas at http://www.hiwheel.com had up to a year ago for $350-400. They have since sold out.

Jim Divoky

          RE:Clip on Bicycle Motor posted by Andrew Pattle on 2/6/2001 at 12:39:22 PM
Your description souds like a Berini. Made in the Netherlands by Pluvier and, although they look nothing like each other, closely related to the Cyclemaster. Its a 32cc motor. It should clamp to the front forks of a bicycle. I can probably fine a diagram of how it fits if you need it. Send me an e-mail if you do - I'm don't visit here often!




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MISC:   The Golden Age Of Moto-Bike Building posted by: JimW. on 1/2/2001 at 7:11:31 AM
In my youth, in Western KY in the '50s, a lad could acquire as many gasoline engines suitable for bike power as he wanted, for virtually no money. When my family moved there,
the area had just got electricity, through the Rural Electrification Administration, and a new hydro-electric dam in the area. Until then, people's washing machines were
powered by engines. In many cases, the old machine, with engine, was dumped into the closest gulley, when they could afford to buy a new electric unit. These were free for the finding. Others ended up in city dumps, usually free. Some ended up in junkyards. A lazy child with five bucks could buy one from a junk dealer.

At one time, I owned three of these engines. I had two of the commoner cast-iron-block Briggs and Stratton units. My favorite engine, though, was a horizontally-opposed two-cylinder from a Maytag. It was cast in aluminum alloy, and
was really beautiful. I used it on a home-made gokart, but it would have been beautiful on a bike.


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AGE / VALUE:   Motorized Bike posted by: Tom Bartlett on 1/1/2001 at 8:59:11 AM
At the risk at sounding like a "commercial", if you are interested in seeing a motorized bike that really works, can still be pedaled, built in the the U.S. and backed by a factory warranty, check out the motorized bikes at www.zipcycle.com. We are a company of biking enthusiasts who wanted to create a true "dual-purpose" motorized bike. Our bikes can still be enjoyed as a bicycle (have you ever tried to pedal a moped?), have a great "classic retro" look, and parts are available nation-wide.

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motorized Bike posted by JimW. on 1/2/2001 at 7:07:13 AM
That looks like a nice, clean installation. Is 20mph the actual maximum speed, or is it governed to that level?
If you send one to Rif Addams, BikeRod&Kustom will run his
road test of it.




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AGE / VALUE:   Jim Huntingtons Bike Show/ Monson, Mass posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/30/2000 at 5:09:55 PM
Jim Huntington is holding his show and swap in Monson, Mass on Rt. 32 at Memorial Hall on Main St. Set up time 7-8:00am
call Jim Huntington Days: 413-283-4113
Nights: 413-267-5230
If not in leave a message and Jim will call back/ Swap spaces $20.00 call early as this show will fill up fast. A Judged bike show will also be held with awards given.

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Oops posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/27/2000 at 1:08:19 PM
Oops, sorry about the multiple postings, I hit the send key and nothing happened so I hit it again. Clark

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/26/2000 at 3:50:48 PM
Does anyone have any info/brochures/instructions for a mid 60's Cox Bronco bike motor. I had one long ago and just got another that is missing several parts. Any help would be appreciated and I would gladly pay for copies of manuals etc. Thanks, Clark

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by Rif Addams on 12/28/2000 at 3:08:04 AM
I don't know anything about these, unfortunately. If you find out anything could you send info for my archives? I'll ask a couple of people I know if they have any info.
Is this the one that was on E-Bay not too long ago?
Thanks,
Rif

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by Clark Wilcox on 12/28/2000 at 5:03:53 PM
Thanks for the reply, as a matter of fact it was purchased from e-bay. I got my first motor in 1967 for selling subscriptions to the local newspaper, and used it for some time until the bike was stolen. I'm planning a trip to the Rose Bowl swap meet to look for parts and to look-up the patent number and try to find info or diagrams. Thanks, Clark

          RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by JimW. on 1/5/2001 at 8:04:17 AM
I don't know about the "Bronco" designation, but the Cox bike
motor is still, as far as I know, still in production. A friend
of mine bought one about five years ago, to mount on a Schwinn tandem.

My friend bought his at America's Hobby Center (AHC)here in
New York. Cox is a leading maker of model aircraft engines.
The bike engine is pretty much identical to their larger
model aircraft engines. Check a recent model plane magazine
for the company's address, or run a web search. I'm sure they
can send you a manual.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by Clark on 1/12/2001 at 10:47:15 PM
Thanks for the info, I called AHC and they claimed they didn't know anything about bicycle motors. They thought he might have gotten a large airplane engine and modified it. Next step is to call Cox and see what they say. Clark

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by JimW. on 2/1/2001 at 7:55:59 AM
My pal's motor was definitely bought from AHC, and it was
set up as a roller-drive bike motor, and labelled as such.
The quality of information at AHC (like most places) depends
upon who happens to answer the phone. Checking with Cox is
a good idea, as they can tell you who carries the motor now,
if AHC actually doesn't anymore.




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/26/2000 at 3:50:48 PM
Does anyone have any info/brochures/instructions for a mid 60's Cox Bronco bike motor. I had one long ago and just got another that is missing several parts. Any help would be appreciated and I would gladly pay for copies of manuals etc. Thanks, Clark

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/26/2000 at 3:50:48 PM
Does anyone have any info/brochures/instructions for a mid 60's Cox Bronco bike motor. I had one long ago and just got another that is missing several parts. Any help would be appreciated and I would gladly pay for copies of manuals etc. Thanks, Clark

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/26/2000 at 3:50:48 PM
Does anyone have any info/brochures/instructions for a mid 60's Cox Bronco bike motor. I had one long ago and just got another that is missing several parts. Any help would be appreciated and I would gladly pay for copies of manuals etc. Thanks, Clark

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   cox bronco posted by: Clark Wilcox on 12/26/2000 at 3:50:48 PM
Does anyone have any info/brochures/instructions for a mid 60's Cox Bronco bike motor. I had one long ago and just got another that is missing several parts. Any help would be appreciated and I would gladly pay for copies of manuals etc. Thanks, Clark

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Cyclone posted by: Joe Mathews on 12/19/2000 at 1:51:27 PM
I have had such a horrible time with Cyclone trying to get a MSO (Manufacture Statement of Orgin) in the state I live in it is required to register with DOT and for the past 3 1/2 months I have been given the run around. Can anyone advise me what I can do?

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Cyclone posted by Rif Addams on 12/20/2000 at 3:46:07 AM
YIKES!!!
The state I live has the same requirements as well. Acording to the R.C.W. it is a moped in the eyes of the law. Therefore it is to be licensed and registered. Although there is much confusion when it comes to the add on two stroke power kits. So far I haven't had to register and license my moto-bikes.
So far... I think the day is coming soon.
As a matter of fact, I have found the police around here stop me so they can look at it and ask questions about what it is and how it's put together. Basically, they just want to check it out.
This problem you are having is something I had wondered about, if you could please keep us posted on this it would be appreciated.

A while back we had a discusion sort of related to this. The lack of customer support and service from the manufacturers of the higher end Whizzer type moto-bikes. It's really a shame.
Rif

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Cyclone posted by JimW. on 12/20/2000 at 7:48:57 AM
Different states have different regulations. As far as I know, in most states, registration is not called for in the case of motorized bikes. State vehicle codes generally spell out the performance limits of motos and mopeds. To find out the regulations for your state, run a web search using the terms (name of your state) and moped. You'll find the applicable info. No matter how loose or tight individual
state's codes are about motorized bicycles, if you get clocked doing 50, you'd better be prepared to produce motorcycle registration and insurance papers. If it's that
fast, it's not considered to be a moped.

Keep in mind that this may be the first time that this particular company has been asked about an MSO form. I've
never heard of it, myself, and I've been around the block a few times. When I'm asked about paperwork I've never heard of, I tend to forget about it, too.

Maybe BikeRod&Kustom should run a list of the various state's vehicle codes as they apply to motorized bikes?

While on the subject, BR&K is pleased to announce the addition of a Moto Editor to our Editorial Board. Let's have a big hand for- Rif Addams. Give it up for the Moto-Meister, everybody! (applause).


          RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Cyclone posted by Rif on 12/22/2000 at 2:52:21 AM
Running a list of state vehicle codes may not be a bad idea...
With the increased popularity of Moto-bikes recently, I think we may see more and more of the confusion. I carry the R.C.W.'s pertaining to Moto-bikes and bicycles with me when I ride. Just in case.




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Angel Wings Sale posted by: JimW. on 12/18/2000 at 12:53:19 PM
Since BR&K's most recent moto article, we've been on their mailing list. The current announcement has their loaded 24" Cyclone going for $1,400, for a limited time (this month).
The 24" model is normally a couple of hundred bucks more
than the 26" size, probably because the smaller frame is
kooler looking. You can check it out at: http://www.motorizedbikes.com/1.html
The price break only applies to blue ones, I think. They also have a picture of the new Wizard1 bike motor they sell.
It looks good, and goes for less than $500.

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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Rear Pulleys "Sheave" posted by: Kimberly on 12/18/2000 at 12:13:45 PM
Eric-
Just to let you know Whizzer Motorbike Company is alive and well. I would be more than happy to direct you to a dealer in your area for the sheave.

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Rear Pulleys posted by Dave on 1/17/2001 at 6:39:55 PM
Hi Eric i live in Tuckahoe New Jersey is there any
wizzer dealers around here Dave.




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   building moroized bicycles posted by: Eric on 12/16/2000 at 4:34:38 PM
I started fabricating motorized bicycles with used 4 stroke motors off unwanted lawnmowers in the 50's when I was 10. The belt rims that fastened to the spokes were plentiful, we took them off old home air coolers. I have the desire to share this knowledge and the excitement of building your own motorbike with the neighborhood youngsters. All the materials are easy to come by but I have no idea where to find the belt pulleys which fasten to the spokes such as the ones that are seen on bikes such as the Whizzer. If there is anyone who can help with information, I would appreciate your time.

Eric

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          RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   building moroized bicycles posted by Steve on 12/17/2000 at 11:15:18 AM
I'm not sure where to find the belt pulleys, but I'd love to learn more about how you put the motors on.

Do you only use side-shaft motors?
What do you use for a clutch?

This could be come a very interesting topic. Please post wat you have learned over the years.

THANK YOU!

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   building moroized bicycles posted by Rif on 12/17/2000 at 7:51:24 PM
YES! Definately olease share your knowledge and experience with the rest of us!
Rif

          RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   building moroized bicycles posted by JimW. on 12/18/2000 at 5:44:39 AM
Back in the day, my friends would take another wheel rim the
same size as the one on the bike. This would be spot-welded
to the original rim. It wasn't as efficient as a real V-belt
pulley, but it worked. My friends would use a spring-loaded
idler pulley as a clutch, with a 1/4" steel rod lever to disengage it. The rod would be threaded for a knob. It
looked pretty cool. Go-Kart parts sources have centrifugal clutches for about $20. They work fine.

The Russells of Reecycles use a jackshaft drive on their kustom motos. You can see several examples at:
http://bikerodnkustom2.homestead.com/gallery12.html
It uses a pulley with two sprockets mounted to it. The bike's drive chain from the cranks goes to one of the cogs,
and the other one has a chain going to the bike's usual rear wheel sprocket. The engine has a belt from a pulley on the clutch to the jackshaft pulley. It's a pretty simple system, and works well.

Homemade motos were always based upon horizontal-shaft engines. It was generally considered to be too much trouble
to convert a vertical-shaft motor, because of the mounting
differences. Go-Kart sources have a wide variety of engines of this type, but modern moto thinking prefers weed-whacker-type motors, because of the smaller displacement and more compact size. The larger engines produce more power and speed than is considered legal for an unlicensed motorized bicycle. I believe the upper legal limit is about 50cc for displacement and 25mph for speed. I'm sure this varies from
state to state.


          RE:RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   building moroized bicycles posted by Rif on 12/20/2000 at 3:58:46 AM
Here in Washington state, the moped (moto-bikes are classified as mopeds here, according to the Revised Code of Washington) can be no larger than 50cc displacement, be no more than two brake horsepower, and shall not exceed a speed of more than 30 M.P.H.
I don't know what about the four stroke whizzer type set ups though, they're not bicycles, they're not moped (moto-bikes), and they're not motor cycle. There is a two or three sentence paragraph in the R.C.W. It talks of motor driven cycles, and leaves it up to any department to interpet this as they see fit.
that may (or may not) have been intended to address scooters.
Anyway,
Rif




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MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Maybe I have too much time to think... posted by: Rif Addams on 12/15/2000 at 6:26:11 PM
Well, The other night while running my machine at work, A real crazy idea popped into my head. I still haven't decided I'm just toying with the idea.
I would like to build a moto-bike flat track behind the house. But the more I think about it, the more I think, "hey I've got an acre here, why not a rally type track?" As opposed to just a one way oval type track.
"yeah, then I can landscape different areas in different ways. For a variety of scenery to look at while my friends and I are screaming around the property!"
Maybe I should lay off all the coffee... :-}
Rif

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