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AGE / VALUE:   Link to the swift posted by: sam on 1/25/2011 at 7:44:33 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-swift-bicycle-late-1920s-/140504031378?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item20b6b16092
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Link to the swift posted by Chris on 1/27/2011 at 10:43:22 AM
Awesome treat to see! but nothing beats owning the thing. I salute your finely burnished taste in vintage bicycles! Mead Ranger had factories in England another firm far more huge and they offered more and to more people, than any of the historians comprehend today. Certainly a thing you never find in the thrift stores here in Texas!!

those forks! So cool and historic!! Buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AGE / VALUE:   cool old roadster/ribbed forks posted by: sam on 1/25/2011 at 7:40:22 PM
This 1920s Swift roadster is worth the time to take a look.
Look clost at the forks---I've only seen them on American Mead bicycles from the teens--but my 1916 mead catalog says they were imported from England---so here they are , on a swift
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   rusty roadster wheels posted by: carrie on 1/23/2011 at 7:49:20 AM
Hi there, we have a couple of old roadsters that are in the process of being restored just a quick question, the wheel rims are really rusty we have tried lots of ways to get rid of the rust but the chrome is pitted and gone in places so we need advice on what to do with them should we have them sandblasted and re-chromed, powder coated, respray the rims ourselves or get replacements (hard to find replacements though)or just leave them as they are ??
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   rusty roadster wheels posted by jj on 1/24/2011 at 4:26:44 AM
Once the chrome is "broken" due to pitting, there is not much you can do.
Rechroming or even repainting can get expensive if you do it right.
Maybe buy some aftermarket wheels, and just keep the original wheels in case you want to do a full restoration in the future.

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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   rusty roadster wheels posted by Chris on 1/25/2011 at 6:56:12 PM
Try to find another used bicycle and buy it for parts and "rob it for bits" as they say in England use the wheels/ rims for whichever bicycle is better/ in better shape.
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AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by: Chas on 1/22/2011 at 12:48:01 PM
A recent acquisition:
26" Frame, 28" wheels (not original) Raleigh Mudguards, Speedwell Gearcase Co. Oilbath.

The Serial number located on rear r/h dropout and star pattern chainwheel both point towards Comrade Cycle Co of Darlaston Staffs, and possibly made for the African market.

Any thoughts? http://www.flickr.com/photos/8728562@N06/sets/72157625755528277/


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by Matthew on 1/22/2011 at 1:36:03 PM
See my comment on your photo.

For everyone one else,; Comrade is (was), I believe, part of the Co-operative movement, CWS, along with CWS and Federal / Federation brands.

Matthew - Keep left!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by Keith Body on 1/23/2011 at 12:05:36 PM
Chas and Matthew, I believe the Comrade Cycle Co. also made bikes for Brown Bros, some badged Vindec, but what years I have not found out. Nicklin made most of the standard chainwheels in UK, also a lot for Raleigh. There may be a letter N on the inner face of a crank.
The extended rear hub nut was to assist mounting it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by Chas on 1/23/2011 at 1:55:57 PM
Yes. Between the wars, they certainly did make for Vindec/Brown Bro's , very enigmatic the Comrade Cycle Co seem to have been!

So I'm looking at a 1930 BBL/Vindec catalogue and seeing the same chainwheel on a 26" frame with both double top-tube and oilbath as extras; sold with or without transfers but with a steering lock as standard.

Getting very close to a positive match, and yes there's an 'N' stamp hidden away inside the crank too, a per Keith!

The handlebars don't feel quite right to ride and looking at the brochure clearly these aren't original.

As for the hubstep, I got lucky and knew who might still carry one, (even if they had to die it out to fit the SA thread for me) the last one in the drawer went to a good home.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by Keith Body on 1/23/2011 at 3:42:13 PM
Chas, I see the double top tube was 11 shillings extra.
They were shown with a 5 pin chainwheel fixing in 1930, which could have been made cheaper on a later model.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by Keith Body on 1/24/2011 at 1:15:20 PM
Chas, another look at your bike: the handlebar looks OK to me, typical old type which was largely replaced with the North Road which was a bit further forward. Expander bolt not headclip would indicate a few years after 1930, also trapped ends, not a solid brazed end in sight, BBL used a few in 1930 according to the catalogue. How about a police bike? MOD and police went on ordering bikes from an ancient specification.
I was a cycle repairer 1950/60's, as a road racer these were not my favourite bikes, but I could always make them work better.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by Chas on 1/24/2011 at 5:46:37 PM
You know Keith,I think that being used to riding north road bars over the last year; that's why these ones feel odd to me, more 'pinched'.

Those serial stamped numbers (17346) look like the 3+4 are neatly paired up for maybe frequent use i.e. to denote year 1934? Did find out that in the 1970's Comrade serials ran month/year/#number produced, which bears no relevance in this instance.

The only confirmed police bike I've ever seen (70's Raleigh) was remarkable by being without any serial no. I was told that's how to spot one.

Trapped ends? Are you talking about where the tubes but into the lugs, that's the cheaper way to do it I take it?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery double top tube? 1930's posted by Keith Body on 1/28/2011 at 11:13:23 AM
Chas, Up till around the 1920's the correct way to build a roadster frame was by terminating the fork ends into solid machined or cast blocks, which were brazed in. The roadster bikes we see today with the old type cranked seat and chain stays are a poor cheap imitation, largely due to the prohibive cost of of the better method. You will see the fork ends with the tube just pressed together, used to be called "trapped ends".
If you can find a BSA component catalgue from about 1920, or Chater Lea from 1930 you will see the components listed.

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WANTED:   fenders posted by: Vince on 1/21/2011 at 9:16:15 PM
Looking for a set of BSA fenders for 26", round profile for restoration
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AGE / VALUE:   Bicycle age/ID posted by: Carrie-ann Lovelace on 1/21/2011 at 1:37:21 PM
Hi, I need to find out the age/model of a bicycle, however I think it's had bits replaced. The serial number on the frame is R61796 with a 2 underneth the R and a 5 under the 9 and looks like it was stamped by hand. Just want to know a guess at age and what finish we should do (color etc) as its going to have a complete restore.
Please see the other photos here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomworley/sets/72157625876141002/with/5375766821/


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bicycle age/ID posted by Keith Body on 1/21/2011 at 4:07:16 PM
My best guess is mid 1930's. Standard roadster, possibly Brown Brothers, but made from standard components. Any date information on the back hub? The gear trigger may be later, but could do with a picture. The head clip was rarely used after WW2.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bicycle age/ID posted by carrie on 1/21/2011 at 4:51:00 PM
fairly sure the hubs and the trigger are later add ons they are 1955 and very clean compared with the rest of the bike no pitting on chrome etc ...wondered if it could be a ww2 bike given that it has the serial number of bsa military ww2 bikes ....also no chrome on handle bars .....really hard to date this bike though as its clearly had lots of bits replaced
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bicycle age/ID posted by Matthew on 1/22/2011 at 1:43:23 PM
I am with Keith on this one. Serial number on 'unknown' bikes are notoriously unreliable. It could be one of many makes. Phillips supplied CKD bike kits to other 'makers' such as Norwich Rival. Good solid and unremarkable bicycles. The wheels could have been replaced in the last year but they could also be original. Very difficult to tell but I would go with '1930s'.

Matthew - Ageing as we speak.
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AGE / VALUE:   humber & aw query posted by: mark on 1/19/2011 at 10:42:19 PM
Hello esteemed Roadsteristas--was wondering 2 things:
1. what kick/propstand would a late 40s early 50s Humber have? alloy like Raleigh man but with Humber? XPT? WHAT BIKES HAD XPT'S? I have seen them in a late 60s Herc AMF catalog
2. what year range would the lovely scrpt AW hubs from the 40s that are dateless have? are these after the K hub but before 1948? i have a 48 Herc w/ AW '48 HUB THE humber is probably late 40s w/ chaincase and some black cable stops etc....seat tube decal says 'humber sports model" headbadge is decal, hass GEORGE VI, FORKS ARE NON-DUPLEX.
3. wHAT SPORTS MODELS CAME IN 22"? I Have come up with/ nORMAN AND pHILLIPS--seems Raleigh makes did not. I don't own a 22" [a 19" and 3 21's] but think this would be my ideal size
Lastly the AMF BROCHURE REFERRED TO SAYS
"be proud of your British made bicycle" true words, no?
thanx for reading my ramble
best, Mark in slc
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AGE / VALUE:   1963 phillips posted by: jerry tefteller on 1/18/2011 at 2:14:23 AM
I have a 1963 phillips tri wheel convertion from burris.I am trying to get a value but have yet to find any similair.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1963 phillips posted by Matthew on 1/19/2011 at 1:33:12 PM
Hi Jerry,

Not s lot of help but it is worth what ever a buyer will pay. Not an outstanding two wheeler but a very different three wheeler so for collectors of such things or for somebody who wants to be more stable then a great find and worth more than a two wheeler.

On eBay such machines start low and sell well.

Matthew - helpful, schmelpful
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1963 phillips posted by sam on 1/20/2011 at 4:24:51 AM
Nice trike,but the conversion unit may be worth more than the bicycle.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1963 phillips posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/21/2011 at 6:21:16 AM
Trikes are most awesome... thing is, they take up a lot of room... not like you can easily hang one on the wall. Still... I would love to have one just to tool around on.

Last June I did take a demo ride on a motor-trike... a converted Honda Goldwing motorcycle. It was of course a completely different ride than a standard two-wheeled machine, but I did glean from it...

Should I ever get to the point where I was no longer able to properly hold my motorcycle upright at stop signs, I could certainly live with a motor-trike.

As to what your's is worth? Yeah, that's a difficult thing and I think pretty much any number we would come up with would prove to be pretty arbitrary.

Watch Ebay for a while... they come up from time to time and you can track pricing there.

Meanwhile, I say ENJOY it!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - three points determine a plane....
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AGE / VALUE:   Catalogue unearthed (mid thirties) posted by: Chas on 1/9/2011 at 12:00:44 PM
Thought you might be interested in taking a look:
Roadsters, racers, tandems, all made on the premises, another obscure London Maker comes in from the cold.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8728562@N06/sets/72157625784680214/


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Catalogue unearthed (mid thirties) posted by Chris on 1/12/2011 at 6:48:04 PM
throughly enjoyed this! thanks!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by: Fenchurch on 1/8/2011 at 8:20:13 PM
Hello All!

Loooong time no post. I began riding one of my roadsters this year full time, a '73 Sports w/ 3 spd AW and have two questions.

1)I am looking for a heavy-duty rear rack. And not having any luck with the generic shop sold crap (Bike planet, etc.) that doesn't sit on my pristine rear fender. I want to do my grocery shopping with this bike and experienced popping the stay of Pletscher rack doing just that on a previous bike, which would have lead to sad, sad damage on my current bike.
I am up for old, new or used, but am coming up blank on a brand or model that is tall enough and strong enough.

2) I am sorry to ask this question as I know it should be in the archives, but I am having no luck in my searches.
What would you recommend as winter weatherizing for the above bike also being ridden & stored outdoors? Or is she just safer being garage stored for the season?

Thank you so much for your help!

Fen
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Fenchurch on 1/8/2011 at 9:45:23 PM
Also as a side note, I have some metal fabrication background and am not above building a bloody rack from scratch if it comes down to it. If any one has any recommendations in that department I will be happy to take them too.

Fen
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Matthew on 1/9/2011 at 11:12:46 AM
Hi,

Try eBay. It sounds like you need a twisted leg rack, the sort you find on 'Hero' bikes and see on Far Eastern bicycles.
Flat strip construction with stays from twisted sections looking like your granny's front garden gate.

http://www.bikecult.com/works/archive/03bicycles/heroRCHth.jpg

That sort of thing.

Matthew - wracking my brains
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Al on 1/9/2011 at 8:43:59 PM

I use a pletscher rack on my tourist. To prevent the rack from sliding down the chainstays, I fabricated a t-shaped bracket. The bracket is thin gauge monel (similar to stainless) but stout enough to bear a good amount of weight. Drilled holes for the rack bolts and the brake bridge. Works great. I load two or three bags of groceries back there. More than strong enough for a 12-pack of Trumer Pils, too.

Truth be told, I long for a rack from one of these:

Project Zambia Bike
http://velonews.competitor.com/2009/06/bikes-tech/tech-feature-world-bicycle-project-zambia-bike_93508

Wonder why they don't sell these online.

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Greg on 1/12/2011 at 11:24:53 AM
Keep an eye on C's List. I picked up a cosmetically challenged but mech. fine step-thru Sports for $20 with the OE rack. (bought it for parts but it ran so well I ended up flipping it for a nice profit)
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Stephen Hogben on 1/14/2011 at 2:28:01 PM
It may look a bit effeminate,but you can"t beat a basket on the front,you can get a lot in there ,all your beer etc,etc. Get more in there than you can on a rack,try it!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by David on 1/17/2011 at 9:55:33 AM
You might try the Pletscher "Athlete" rack, which has the useful mousetrap but uses four legs rather than two. Niagara cycles stocks them. The mousetrap will engage and hold a basket that's available from Persons (permaco.com)
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Dave M. on 1/23/2011 at 7:28:41 AM
Hello Roadster Fans,

I have looked for some years for a source of sturdy "period looking/design" rear racks for my modest collection of 28" wheeled English roadsters. I just recently noticed a website/blog entry about a "cottage industry" metalsmith/manufacturer of a very sturdy looking rear rack specifically sized and styled for 28" wheeled roadsters. Red Barn Classic Bicycle Accessories is the Company. Mr. Jonathan P. Gehman is the metalsmith/owner, located in Harrisonburg, VA, email is jon.redbarn@gmail.com. The info on the website/blog entry indicated a price of $125.00 in mid 2010. It also indicated that the racks are built to order, and some custom alterations to the basic design may be added, ie. hooks for bungee cord location/attachments etc. The info states that the design is specifically for 28" wheeled cycles, and so one could inquire if the design could be modified for 26" wheeled models. I hope that this info is of some help.

Dave M.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Dale on 1/27/2011 at 11:02:53 AM
I modified a commercial (though old) rack. It is the type made from steel rod, with three fore/aft rods and two verticals to the stays. The modifications were 1) extend the vertical to be long enough for a 28" wheeled bike, and 2) bend the front mount up to reach the seat clamp bolt.

I found this rack on the curb, on a 70s Japaneese three speed. It is chrome, and the welding messed that up, so it will eventually be ground off and painted black to match the Tourist.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by Dale on 1/27/2011 at 11:06:04 AM
p.s. My intended use is "retro-touring". I can't ride long distances on a DF anymore due to a health issue, but I will take this bike on an occasional S24O. I use saddlebag-style bags that go on the modified rack.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   2 fer 1 question on racks & winter posted by JS on 1/27/2011 at 7:27:12 PM
I'd recommend calling Flying Pigeon LA. I'd wager they have lots of racks taken off of special project bikes. An FP rack is plenty strong. Passengers often ride side-saddle on the back so there will be no problem with your groceries.

No chance of it sliding down to sit on the fender because it doesn't clamp to the seat-stays...it is bolted to the seat tube joint. Much simpler, stronger and more elegant.

-JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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AGE / VALUE:   Brooks latest saddle bags posted by: Chris on 1/7/2011 at 11:16:13 AM
They listened! The Brooks saddle bags are being done in real leather, finely finished and in a sharp bag and in attractive boxes. The original makers Brooks England have realized again the incredible soul, history and power of this awesome company and brought the golden age of Pommy cycling back for devotees world wide!

Awesome
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AGE / VALUE:   The 1908-10 "basket case" posted by: John on 1/2/2011 at 11:29:39 AM
Hi all as requested some photo's as you requested I hope that they are of some use.I realy do aprecaite you help on this matter. John


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   The 1908-10 posted by jj on 1/3/2011 at 4:37:25 AM
The picture did not work.
You have to provide a link to it, for example:
http://mypictures.com/1908Bike.jpg
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AGE / VALUE:   Indian Princess decals on ebay posted by: sam on 12/29/2010 at 7:58:09 AM
A real vintage set on Ebay at present---these bikes were made by Phillips
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290515630834&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Indian Princess decals on ebay posted by mark on 12/30/2010 at 12:19:03 AM
this post lead me to looking at scouts --Philips-on the web--am i mistaken or do the lugs kinda have arrow shapes cut in?
f so, fascinating that all the 3 spds have their details, even the ones made by a bigger outfit. the scout and princess head badges are top notch cool. too bad there was no Indian themed chain ring. And what's the Hercules Indian badge I SAW on the web? UK? Germany?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Indian Princess decals on ebay posted by chris on 12/30/2010 at 11:04:23 AM
the Hercules name went on in India after production of Raleigh made Hercules bikes ceased in England. Very popular over there
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Indian Princess decals on ebay posted by mark on 12/30/2010 at 1:20:49 PM
Hi Chris--here is the Herc Indian badge i referred to [it's the 6th foto down the page]
http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?8824-The-Boss-Bike
...i don't think this one is from the country India. Also in my Scout/Princess web rambles i didn't find much for seat tube or rear fender decals, can anyone who has one tell us more? just curious. Happy [cycling] New Year to all!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Indian Princess decals on ebay posted by sam on 12/30/2010 at 6:48:02 PM
As a bit of info on Indian Bicycles--They were made for the "American" Indian motorcycle company.The Indian MC company sold bicycles as a by-line from the teens---they were contract bicycles made by verious bike companies---by the late 40s early 50s Phillips was supplying them---as Indian sales went down , Phillips ended up buying the Company to have outlets in America for their brands of British M/Cs--these all ended by the 60s.
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AGE / VALUE:   no 27 x 1 1/4 tires at Walmart ( Bell sports) posted by: Chris, who will not pay 11.00 for Phil wood grease anyplace on 12/28/2010 at 5:41:13 PM
I thought if we went to Walmart they would have my friends 27 x 1 1/2 tire and tube at Walmart and he would stop complaining but no luck. Walmart has 27 x 1 3/8 tires but not a 27 x 1 1/4 and it says on the box it will not fot a 27 x 1 1/4 th . No tubes either.

Bell products( the Wal mart supplier) has taken the god like position of thinking we don't need it. Stupid and bothersome because of all the 10 speed type bikes still out there and in use. When you rely on your bike a blown tire or tube is a problem.

This tire slime? I will not use it and it thrown off the balance of the bike at speeds.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:no 27 x 1 1/4 tires at Walmart ( Bell sports) posted by David on 12/30/2010 at 7:50:34 AM
Any of the tires you find at Walmart marked 27 inches will fit the 630mm ISO rim size. (look for "630" on the tire) The "width" designation in the size doesn't mean much. When shopping for tires, you should check the bead seat diameter number (e.g. 630 for 27 inch, 622 for 700c, 635 for 28 inch roadster, 590 for 26 inch Sports, etc) Just look at the confusion in the thread of posts on the same subject below. Everyone should read Sheldon Brown's demystifying explanation: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   no 27 x 1 1/4 tires at Walmart ( Bell sports) posted by chris on 1/5/2011 at 6:40:08 PM
it says right on the packaging that it will not fit. I'll buy it and double check it and let ya all know
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   no 27 x 1 1/4 tires at Walmart ( Bell sports) posted by jj on 1/6/2011 at 5:52:31 PM
A 27 x 1 3/8 WILL fit a rim which takes 27 x 1 1/4.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   no 27 x 1 1/4 tires at Walmart ( Bell sports) posted by David on 1/7/2011 at 12:49:15 PM
I've used 27" tires marked 1 1/4, 1 1/8, and 1 and they all fit the same rims. I've never seen the others mentioned here, which doesn't prove anything. Tire mfrs are notoriously non-standard when it comes to naming sizes.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   no 27 x 1 1/4 tires at Walmart ( Bell sports) posted by ken on 1/13/2011 at 11:38:51 AM
I think OP should check again. It's the 26" size, not the 27", that has the 'does not fit...' message on it. For good reason: they carry 559, but not 571, 584, 590 or 597. But it's an article of faith that 27" means 630. Our W-mart quit carrying 27" tires but the tubes are still there.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What Make posted by: John on 12/27/2010 at 7:14:58 AM
I have recently obtained a 1905 ladies bicycle. This is what is known in England as a "basket case" I am trying to find out the make of this bicycle as I intend to restore it back to its former glory and ride it as well as display it along with the other 13 Vintage bicycles in my collection that I have restored..The front wheel is unable to be saved,But apart from the wire gear change cable it is complete.rust everywhere but it was black with no pin striping.
I has the remains of a cylinder gear,"possible 2 speed," change on the handlebars. rod brakes A retaining bolt on the pedal crank case.stringed skirt guard.The chain-cover is of moleskin material with two celeloid viewing windows.This is laced up with cord.The rear hub is stamped with the number A182375 and has an extended patterned bolt on the other side of the gear shift. The frame number is 5076.it has a Brooks made in England ladies B75 saddle.26x13/8 wheels.Romac handle bar grips.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What Make posted by Chris on 12/27/2010 at 5:22:52 PM
we need to see pictures it sounds really interesting and tasty and cool but pictures are a necessity. we have somne of the sharpest people around in old bicycles
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What Make posted by Matthew on 12/28/2010 at 12:59:11 AM
This is a bit early for me but I would have expected 28" wheels on an early roadster. The cylinder gear shift is an early type but the Romac grips are probably a much later addition.

Photographs are priceless in helping folks to date bicycles.

Matthew - pondering
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What Make posted by Keith Body on 12/28/2010 at 7:22:55 AM
John, I agree with Matthew, the first Raleigh I can find with 26 x 1 3/8 wheels is 1931, and it has cable brakes on endrick rims. There were some 26 x 1 1/2 previously.
If you have any chrome plate, not nickel, then it is after 1930.
The long nut on the rear spindle was used as a step to mount the bike. The rest of the equipment sounds earlier than 1930, I would expect the wheels to be 28 x 1 1/2.
If you can't add pictures, send some to me by email.
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