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AGE / VALUE:WHO NEEDS 28 X 1 3/8 TIRES? F- 5 posted by: Chris on 12/26/2010 at 4:45:38 PM
The trip to the two bike shops was interesting. I found a set of 28 x 1 3/8 Dunlop Roadster tires vintage and in perfect condition, not dry, not cracked, soft and pliable! I had my bike there and I asked: "What do you have in 28 x 1 1/2?" He went upstairs. came back with his last set of 28 x 1 3/8 ths. They won't fit my bike but these are so old, vintage, rare, and just KICK ASS!! Studded, these will look AWESOME on somebody's bike.

I never had a set of these rims , the 28x 1 3/8 rim it's a Narrow Westwood British Standard F- 5 rim that goes to these tires. and these are studded Dunlops' wonderful tread pattern with the brick tread and I could not leave them there. These look so SHARP!!

Somewhere out there hopefully here some bicycle needs these tires.

Somewhere is somebody who would KILL for these tires. I know I would!!

He was out of 28 x 1 /2 and I am happy with replacement Kendas for my Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. my daily rider I can still go a bit. I was just asking. " He said: "Gee, all I have are these but they won't fit, they are 28 x 1 3/8 and I took them and looked them over and it was magical. Anyways, Send me an e- mail if you have a bicycle that uses this size.

I believe that these are rare and to my knowledge there is no replacement and modern tire that will fit and cover this size. I don't remember owning or seeing any
bike that had rims that required this size. So that means it is special, rare, wonderful and a rare treat.
I have longed for a set of rims in this size myself and I never found them but these are fast rims and like I said, these tires are so bitchin cool to see on your vintage bike.

Weird how well preserved these are because they must be at least 40 years old perhaps 50 years old. They are hanging on my wall because these are so sharp with the agressive brick tread pattern these qualify as art!!

28 x 1 3/8 Dunlop Roadsters 1 pair $75.00 plus shipping humberchristopher29@hotmail.com
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RE:AGE / VALUE:WHO NEEDS 28 X 1 3/8 TIRES? F- 5 posted by chris on 12/26/2010 at 5:13:02 PM
I forgot to ask so I'll do it here.

Keith? when did this size cease? What can you tell us about 28 x 1 3/8 Dunlop Roadster tires?

thanks!
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:WHO NEEDS 28 X 1 3/8 TIRES? F- 5 posted by CHRIS on 12/27/2010 at 5:19:55 PM
They say F- 5 or EA 4 BRITISH STANDARD RIM
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RE:AGE / VALUE:WHO NEEDS 28 X 1 3/8 TIRES? F- 5 posted by Keith Body on 12/28/2010 at 7:28:04 AM
Chris, I have never seen this size in the UK, as you know, I was a retailer until 1966.

28" wheels were rarely sold here after WW2.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:WHO NEEDS 28 X 1 3/8 TIRES? F- 5 posted by Chuka Umunna on 12/28/2010 at 7:52:53 AM
Hello, slightly off the point but can anyone tell me where I can find replacement 28 inch westwood rims for my DL-1 that are NOT made in Asia? I'll like to build a new wheel as my current is no longer round...

Thanks

Chuka
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:WHO NEEDS 28 X 1 3/8 TIRES? F- 5 posted by Chris on 12/28/2010 at 4:16:10 PM
Wow! Interesting, Keith. Thanks This size was for export then. Long time after it fell from vogue and common use in England the 28 x 1 2/2 wheels and tires were sold overseas and very common in the U.S. up to 1980 when they stopped bringing over the Raleigh tourist. Sean Connery rides a Raleigh Tourist in the movie "Finding Forrester"

As for finding original rims there are collectors with barns and sheds and basements and attics and whole rooms in the houses with this stuff. It turns up at flea markets and you have to ask them to bring it to the next meet.


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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:WHO NEEDS 28 X 1 3/8 TIRES? F- 5 posted by Chris on 12/28/2010 at 5:41:08 PM
I see that 28 x 1 3/8 tires are made today and that they are 26.00 each Names like Continental and they are modern tires. I don't know if a new modern tire like I see on- line will fit somebody with an old 28 x 1 3/8 Westwood rim or not.

And really a vintage bike should have a vintage tire to go with it. if the bike is going to be displayed anyways.

As for a daily riding bike whatever works and has decent tread on it will do.
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AGE / VALUE:What to do with it posted by: jason on 12/25/2010 at 10:02:23 PM
Picked up a 1964 womans frame three speed english made huffy. Its just good enough that some light work(new spoke, stembolt, chainguard, saddle)will make it a decent bike. But where I live no one will want to ride it if I do. I really want the chrome fenders for another project. Should I fix it up in the hope that someday I will find somone who would like it and ride it, or just accept that step through frames are not really in demand?
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AGE / VALUE:Happy Christmas posted by: Stephen Hogben on 12/24/2010 at 3:17:36 PM
Happy Christmas all you fellow old bike enthusiasts!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Happy Christmas posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/26/2010 at 6:07:56 PM
Yes... Happy Christmas to all here! Be they old bike enthusiast or young bike enthusiasts! I'm the former myself... and of course prefer vintage British machines.

;-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Old enough last time I checked.
Dingmans Ferry, PA, USA
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Happy Christmas posted by Matthew on 12/28/2010 at 1:06:34 AM
Heartfelt seasonal felicitations to all contributors, readers and enthusiasts here on the foremost website for all of us. Where else could such an eclectic gathering of like minds be brought together to ruminate over the delights of Messrs Archer and Sturmey? How might we meet otherwise to discuss Raleigh, Rudge, BSA, Humber, Royal Enfield and a whole empire of other machines?

God bless you at this time of year and always.

Very special thanks to Vin without whom we would be the poorer.

Matthew - in thoughtful mode.
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AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by: Chris on 12/22/2010 at 11:19:54 AM
Keith, What can you tell us about the Lewis rear derailer? I saw on on e- bay and have never seen this mentioned before and I don't think it's in the Dancing Chain book either. Have you seen these and do you have any information on the manufacturer and what else did they make.

Thanks!!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Keith Body on 12/22/2010 at 1:27:31 PM
Chris, Easy answer--nothing. I can see it's French, I would guess early post WW2, never seen one. Probably not worth registering it. The long tension spring to go under the chain stay was a pre war style, so outdated.

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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Chris on 12/22/2010 at 7:50:04 PM
This is not what I saw, sorry for not giving you all the e- bay number so you could look it up and see what I was referring to- will try again tomorrow thanks for the quick reply -Chris
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Keith Body on 12/23/2010 at 3:40:16 AM
Chris, I saw the Lewis, the pic is of a creation of mine when I was stuck in an outpost of the British Empire. Made totally out of scrap bits, a door hinge and a furniture castor, the only tools were a flat file, pliers and a hack saw blade. Holes were made by hitting the file with a stone. I should have explained.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Keith Body on 12/23/2010 at 3:40:18 AM
Chris, I saw the Lewis, the pic is of a creation of mine when I was stuck in an outpost of the British Empire. Made totally out of scrap bits, a door hinge and a furniture castor, the only tools were a flat file, pliers and a hack saw blade. Holes were made by hitting the file with a stone. I should have explained.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Keith Body on 12/23/2010 at 3:40:26 AM
Chris, I saw the Lewis, the pic is of a creation of mine when I was stuck in an outpost of the British Empire. Made totally out of scrap bits, a door hinge and a furniture castor, the only tools were a flat file, pliers and a hack saw blade. Holes were made by hitting the file with a stone. I should have explained.
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/23/2010 at 6:30:31 AM
Keith, an utterly delighful image and a perfect example of "necessity" being the mother of design.

I daresay if you were so inclined, a future in "process engineering" awaits.

Thanks for sharing!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Attention to tension.....
Dingmans Ferry, PA, USA

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RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Keith Body on 12/23/2010 at 9:46:02 AM
I found a bit more of it.

The remains of a long abandoned bike in the back streets of Aden. Plus some bits that must have been sent out to me.
Filed the chainwheel down to 3/32. Got both brakes later.
Made the tyres by winding strips of cloth round inner tubes.


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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Chris on 12/23/2010 at 9:51:56 AM
So you did see the recent offering on e- bay then. I have been unable to find it again and give the item number here as refrence like I usually do. This was on American E- bay not the u.k. e- bay where all the really good stuff lurks.
perhaps because the auction ended or or because it sold. Anyways your description is totally accurate.

This is somebody's home built creation and the enterprise failed before any real numbers of these were made.

So I am probably correct in saying this but we don't know for sure. Lots on names and companies and people behind it all sunk beneath the waves to vanish without a trace.

It's so crude, I like it!!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Keith Body on 12/23/2010 at 10:00:49 AM
Chris, the Lewis was clearly marked with french registered name or design. I have never seen one though.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Keith Body on 12/23/2010 at 12:45:56 PM
Chris and Larry,

Found one recently sold in France
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LE-LEWIS-derailleur-duralumin-NIB-/250736978485?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6116aa35

Listed 1937 -1938, with several pictures.
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Chris on 12/23/2010 at 7:05:46 PM
Yes, this is it. not the same auction because the one I saw was used but this is the same thing only this one is new never used.

Keith what can you tell us, did you ever see these? Now if you were in France you would know moreof these I don't suppose many of these appeared in Britain but perhaps I am wrong anyways thanks for the picture and finding one.

I am impressed with this thing and I love the box and instruction sheet. I don't remember seeing this in the Brown Brothers book! But it's been ahwile since I leafed thru a Brown brothers book. Duriliuminum too!! I just lost the spelling bee, didn't I? I can't spell Duraluminum tonight!!

When I Attended the Omellenchuck auction in Warren, Michigan the fellow had exactly this calibre of bicycle componets Chater Lea, and all the rare, rare and wonderfull stuff like this. Omellenchuck made his own alloy rims and there lay about everywhere in that huge complex all this type of stuff and I only had 150.00 and had never attended an auction before and I ended up buying some headset parts in the lot afterwards and my bike buddy who I sent it to freaked out!!
"Where did you find this stuff?" I told him and he moaned in pain.

I remember the buyers carrying off boxes of boxed Campagnolo gruppos the auction staff was wore out and while perhaps the bicycles (50 plus) the house and land and hopefully the tooling was appraised and a minimum set to open the bids on the rest (and there was a ton of inventory) the rest went for pennies on the dollar. What do ya give me for this whole wall full of shelves?

It was horrible. Horrible that I missed out on it for lack of funds and it was on a Sunday when the bank was closed and I had already drew the limit on the a.t.m. that day.

For years after ward I carried obscene amounts of cash on my person in case this happened again I would be prepared, ready to bid and battle. ( this was in better financial times)

I will again when I am better off and if the police ask why I am carrying $10,000 in hundred dollar bills and after swearing that it's not drug proceeds I tell them the omellenchuck story and that I am a antique/ vintage bicycle collector who does not want to be caught without serious working cash on a Sunday or any other day ever again. I'll tell them about the Omellenchuck Auction and what happened and about all the goodies I missed out on and how much money I could have made in reselling all that glorious, magnificent, boxed, N.O.S. inventory. You see, while you run to the bank somebody else turns up and pulls wads of cash out of their pocket and buys it out from underneath you

"Oh he might not come back and this guy has cash here, in hand."

Thats happened! Hopefully the police will be bicycle collectors. Or if I get robbed I will ask if they have ever been to an antique show and lost out on something really tasty because they don't have cash on them. Do thieves go to auctions and estate sales/ they will understand they'll still rob me but they will understand!

Dude! I can't give you all of it! I'll explain!!

Anyways, tonight I let slip thru my fingers a Brigstone bicycle made in Japan the double crankset was interesting I wondered if it would fit onto my Raleigh tourist and the Dia comp brakesets were interesting and a thing a variation I had never seen before it had adjusters on it screw adjusters and a part of it was red anodised and I could not run next door and get on the computer to do a search on e- bay and I am not fully versed on vintage Dia Comp and would there be worthwhile Dia comp parts on a Bridgestone bicycle. the bike was gas pipe frame tubing, 26 x 1 3/8 derailer bike nothing special but the headset was well made and worked more fine and beautiful that any headset I have seen in awhile I almost bought the bike just for the headset they wanted 20.00 for the whole bike but I passed on it and BAM! it was sold after only one day on the thrift store floor. I don't know anything about Bridgestone only that it's a subject to explore one day.


Those brake calipers are driving me nuts! I believe they were valuable and I didn't get them!

I won the $400.00 32 inch flat screen high definition t.v.
at the work Christmas party raffle and I thought Cool! I can trade it for this bike I want!! Bike! Bike! No icky T.V. I stood there thinking about a bike. Since that time I am being more sensible and reasonable. My landlady plays the t.v. all night long, at 5 am too and it's loud and I lose sleep, hear it in my sleep and well, I have grown to hate t.v. and movies? I don't have time.
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Chris on 12/23/2010 at 7:13:19 PM
Just noticed Keith said he's never seen one but I'll bet one can look up French patents on the computer and look it all over. As for old bicycle brake calipers and brake leavers on older bikes some can go up in the hundreds of dollars.

I'll bet the Lewis is mentioned in the Dancing Chain derailer book or it's second printing where there is more added.
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RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Chris on 12/23/2010 at 7:18:07 PM
Keith said he filed the chainwheel down to 3/32 I remeber the ads in Cycling magazine where shops were advertising that they offered this service but nobody does this today one just buys it ready made in that size off of the shops. Years ago shops spent time to do stuff and do custom stuff and today they would charge you a lot citing the time it takes. I see lathes and drills and all sorts of tools in shops that has not been run in years.
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RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Chris on 12/23/2010 at 7:42:52 PM
e- bay item # 330509478878 bridgestone picnic 3 wheel bike ( look this up by the item number)

Sheesh! 1200.00 and a buy it now for 1500.00! yow!

I had one of these in pre e- bay times and I bought and sold if way,, way too cheaply! I see. Yes it was cool because of the tilt aspect to it. Should have kept the bike!! I see Bridgestone bikes are not to be taken for granted
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RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lewis Rear derailer posted by Chris on 12/23/2010 at 7:46:02 PM
Anyways, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF MY OLD ROADS PALS IN VINTAGE CYCLING!!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:���Lewis Rear derailer posted by Matthew on 12/24/2010 at 10:03:40 AM
Et tu Chris et al.

Matthew - latinator
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WANTED:I need Bluemels noweight fenders and Marsh Bend Handlebars posted by: Nick on 12/15/2010 at 5:08:22 PM
Hi,
Sorry to be posting everywhere but I have a '35 Raleigh Record Ace that is crying out for a set of Bluemels Noweight fenders and a Marsh bend handlebar. Anyone out there that can help me and this fine old girl out?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:full chaincase for '38 - '40 Raleigh Dawn Tourist posted by: david augustus on 12/7/2010 at 5:52:40 AM
Hi There - I'm looking for a chaincase to complete a 1938 -1940 Raleigh Dawn Tourist; the bike has excellent paint, so I'm looking for a case that is in exceptional shape. I believe that the Raleigh logo during this era would be in script, gold on black - not block letters.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Bike ID posted by: John on 12/7/2010 at 4:37:13 AM
I was told to come here for help. Anyone ID this bike? I thought the best information providing is just to the Flickr link with the already existing discussion--

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15297401@N03/

Thanks, John
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Bike ID posted by jj on 12/7/2010 at 4:47:00 AM
You have some great cycles.
What model is the New Departure hub?
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Bike ID posted by Keith Body on 12/7/2010 at 9:11:39 AM
John, As already commented, the Hercules appears to have had 28" wheels. The frame is small for 28's they were usually 24" from bottom bracket centre to the top of the seat tube. I can't be sure from the pictures, but if original parts are chrome plated, not nickel, then it is 1930's. It was probably built for an export market, as UK bikes had 2 brakes by law. The wide mudguards might have been for 28 x 1 3/4 which existed in the uk some years before.
The head transfer would have been used because the head tube was not tall enough for the head badge.
Keith
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Bike ID posted by John on 12/7/2010 at 2:38:53 PM
Thanks. The New Departure hub is a Model D. Are there any pics of bikes like this? Does anyone know about the Hercules Model OD Oversize?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:hugh porter posted by: mrt24 on 12/5/2010 at 2:22:19 PM
hugh porter bike pictures on flicker hugh porter bantel highriser bicycle and racers
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by: Steve on 12/2/2010 at 12:24:38 PM
I got so carried away with resurecting an old attic find 1933 Royal Enfield recently that I didn't really pay too much attention to the 26 x 1 1/4 tyres apart from the fact that one stated The Commercial Tyre Company on the sidewall and the other Avon.
Maybe because the tyres still have life left in them, as opposed to the usual worn out cracking at the sides syndrome, is the reason why I didn't notice that one of them has War Grade stated on the sidewall.
The big question is (a) do I remove the tyre and hang it above the fireplace and admire it forever or (b) use it until I wear it out or (c)use it occasionly on special rides out in the summertime ?
Finally, my wifes not too keen about having it hanging above the fireplace in the livingroom for everyone to admire....does she have an attitude problem ?
Steve
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by sam on 12/2/2010 at 9:25:37 PM
Finally, my wifes not too keen about having it hanging above the fireplace in the livingroom for everyone to admire....does she have an attitude problem ?
Yes---same one my wife has!
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by ken on 12/3/2010 at 11:56:29 AM
a) hang the whole bike above the fireplace to admire
b) take it out for occasional rides in the summertime
c) live long enough to wear it out (the bike, not the wife)
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by frank on 12/4/2010 at 5:07:07 PM
I have a couple of old bikes with old tires, I say run 'em.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/10/2010 at 2:58:40 PM
Yes got a few old tyres that are still going,a ww11 war grade rubber tyre and a John Bull Red Spot that refuses to give up,also seen a John Bull "Gristle" still going,Lord knows how old the last two are.I agree with Frank,run them till they burst,then hang them on the wall.I also have a 1950 B.S.A Bantam and that needed a new tyre,and lo and behold a Post Office was pulled down and behind a blocked off wall was a whole room filled with Bantam tyres,managed to get one not to perished still stamped with G.P.O.(General Post Office)on it.It always worries me,stick with origonal parts or replace with newish,I try to keep the old parts going as long as possible,and of the wife complains about the tyre above the fireplace hang it round her neck and threaten her with a match!Only joking,she would kill me before I could anything!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/10/2010 at 2:59:32 PM
Yes got a few old tyres that are still going,a ww11 war grade rubber tyre and a John Bull Red Spot that refuses to give up,also seen a John Bull "Gristle" still going,Lord knows how old the last two are.I agree with Frank,run them till they burst,then hang them on the wall.I also have a 1950 B.S.A Bantam and that needed a new tyre,and lo and behold a Post Office was pulled down and behind a blocked off wall was a whole room filled with Bantam tyres,managed to get one not to perished still stamped with G.P.O.(General Post Office)on it.It always worries me,stick with origonal parts or replace with newish,I try to keep the old parts going as long as possible,and of the wife complains about the tyre above the fireplace hang it round her neck and threaten her with a match!Only joking,she would kill me before I could anything!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/10/2010 at 3:00:15 PM
Yes got a few old tyres that are still going,a ww11 war grade rubber tyre and a John Bull Red Spot that refuses to give up,also seen a John Bull "Gristle" still going,Lord knows how old the last two are.I agree with Frank,run them till they burst,then hang them on the wall.I also have a 1950 B.S.A Bantam and that needed a new tyre,and lo and behold a Post Office was pulled down and behind a blocked off wall was a whole room filled with Bantam tyres,managed to get one not to perished still stamped with G.P.O.(General Post Office)on it.It always worries me,stick with origonal parts or replace with newish,I try to keep the old parts going as long as possible,and of the wife complains about the tyre above the fireplace hang it round her neck and threaten her with a match!Only joking,she would kill me before I could anything!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/10/2010 at 3:03:23 PM
oops sorry seem to have posted that message three times!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:War Grade tyres. posted by Steve on 12/10/2010 at 5:07:07 PM
Yes, I've decided to use it, then when the tread is really low, I'll remove it hang it on one of our chandeliers in the bathroom !
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MISC:   non english roadster posted by: Eric on 12/1/2010 at 5:23:38 PM
I picked up a Bianchi. The closest thing I could find that looks like it is a Milano.I'm guessing it's from the 50s. It has a three speed cog set up and some strange looking handlebars. any info would be great or maybe just point me in the right direction.
Thanks,Eric
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by Keith Body on 12/2/2010 at 3:22:29 AM
Eric, Bianchi are well documented, largest maker in Italy in the 1950's, and made some quite good bikes.
Famous for their "heavenly" colour (celeste).
I have seen some catalogues, perhaps a picture would help?
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by Eric on 12/2/2010 at 7:27:45 PM
I'm trying to figure out how to post pictures. The serial # is 433427. The derailleur and shift lever are Campy. The seat post bolt is to the front. The handle bars are part of the stem and the brake levers are part of the handle bars. The brake levers say bianchi on them.
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by jj on 12/3/2010 at 4:38:45 AM
The photos must already be uploaded somewhere on the web like Flikr or SnapFish. Or you can upload them to the Reader's Rides section here at OldRoads, under the "General Resources" tab.
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by Eric aka computer dope! on 12/12/2010 at 11:26:03 AM
I give up! I can't figure out how to download pictures. They are on flicker. egj1957 or bianchi. I have searched for days and haven't found anything about this bike. Not saying much as you can tell from my lack of computer skills.
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by jj on 12/13/2010 at 4:39:12 AM
You need to cut-and-paste the address of the picture.
Here you go


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RE:RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by jj on 12/13/2010 at 4:39:53 AM
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by jj on 12/13/2010 at 4:40:28 AM
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by jj on 12/13/2010 at 4:41:35 AM
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by Keith Body on 12/13/2010 at 5:39:58 AM
Eric, the bike looks in fine condition.
The Campagnolo Sport gear was introduced in 1953, and was still sold in 1958. I had some of the last ones in UK about that time, although it could well have existed in italy a lot longer. I know that it was different by 1967.
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by David on 12/13/2010 at 4:10:54 PM
I believe the pictures are JJ's beautiful bike, not Eric's.
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RE:MISC:   non english roadster posted by Eric on 12/13/2010 at 8:05:28 PM
Nope,that's my bike. JJ's way better on the computer than I am. Thanks for posting the pics for me!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Missed Rudge posted by: Curtis on 11/28/2010 at 9:24:16 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=230553661579&si=Fl1By8LxzshgbOI65AJ4y4TMBvk%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT#ht_500wt_1077
Oh Oh Oh. I posted about my '59 Rudge about a year ago, just like this one, but quite burley and beaten..I am really bummed about missing out on this clean example, and for so inexpensive..I was watching it for a few days and then got caught up in the holiday, and just got back to it tonite..ENDED.

Oh well, i now have the iphone app that reminds me so I don't have to rely on my memory.

Love the Rudge discussions here..Keep em comin'..

'curtis
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AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by: jason on 11/24/2010 at 1:44:17 PM
I tried it, and I got two sprockets on, an eighteen and a twenty, but I had to remove the thin spacers that help hold the one sprocket tight to the retaining ring. It all looked good, but I put it back to the one sprocket for now. I would like this setup for light touring. A couple of teeth can make a difference in the hills.

Any reason not to do this?

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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by David on 11/24/2010 at 3:17:23 PM
You can sometimes find Cyclo 3-speed clusters to use on SA hubs, so you could have 9 ratios. I gather you were using two different sprockets, back to back? If you can get it to shift reliably, why not?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Thom J. on 11/24/2010 at 5:09:46 PM
I've been thinking of doing the same thing but with the addition of a rear derailer that I'm still looking for; if anyone has one for sale please drop me a line. Did you use 1/8" or 3/32" cogs? TJ.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by jason on 11/24/2010 at 6:05:19 PM
Thanks

No idea what cogs I used, will try to get a gauge on them to tell you. I just have a lot of stuff that is fun to play with.
I put then on with the inside(larger)dished in, and the outside dished out.

Would love to have a cluster with the derailer, but have not found one yet.
I was thinking about shifting manualy, just moving the hub.

This is an old Fuji s-10-s frame, with stupid long dropouts, so it works nicely. Its sort of a club/lenton type copy, repainted deep british racing green. Looks sharp, but not valuable enough to fret over.

Thought about using two rings on the front, a 38 and 40 something, So I could keep chainline and get better mountain and flatland gears. I tour slow, so dont mind doing a manual reset when transitioning from the ozark hills to the southern flatlands of arkansas.

I have a forty spoke hub to lace up as soon as I find a rim, thinking about some light summer camping touring trips. Love the SA hubs.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Vin - OldRoads.com on 11/25/2010 at 5:54:30 AM
We have an old Raleigh Superbe in the shop with the Benelux derailleur setup (2 cogs on the hub).
I'll take some closeup shots.
-Vin
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Vin on 11/26/2010 at 6:32:08 PM
1/2 x 1/8 cogs (standard single speed or BMX chain)
Two cogs on a Sturmey-Archer AW hub.
19 tooth and 16 tooth.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Vin on 11/26/2010 at 6:32:25 PM
1/2 x 1/8 cogs (standard single speed or BMX chain)
Two cogs on a Sturmey-Archer AW hub.
19 tooth and 16 tooth.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Vin on 11/26/2010 at 6:33:57 PM
1/2 x 1/8 cogs (standard single speed or BMX chain)
Two cogs on a Sturmey-Archer AW hub.
19 tooth and 16 tooth.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Vin on 11/26/2010 at 6:35:18 PM
Benelux derailleur


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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by chris on 11/27/2010 at 11:03:13 AM
Huret Alvit derailer can take 1/8 th chain no problem look for a narrow version (narrow chain) There were threaded and 3 prong versions of the cyclo two and three sprocket clusters that fit onto the Sturmey- Archer a.w. hub. Funny that none of this business was ever attempted with oh, lets say a B.S.A. hub which is superior to the Sturmey- Archer. B.S.A. had more bearings and was quieter and it didn't go out of gear it was always in one gear or another it never freewheeled in a no gear position which, if you are caught unawares it can result in injury
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by chris on 11/29/2010 at 11:25:14 AM
there is a drawback to removing the dust cover which is essential if you want to use two or more sprockets or also with using a cyclo cluster. grit gets in the bearings still this is fun thing to do.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by jason on 11/29/2010 at 7:41:53 PM
Hey thanks vic, that looks pretty much like what I jsut did. Exept my rig is actualy clean and polished right now, a temporary situation. I often joke that the english were the only people in the world who could make a bicycle that leaked oil. All my Triumph friends think thats funny.

Chris. I did not have to remove the dust cover. Just a couple of spacers that went between the clip and the sprocket.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by jj on 11/30/2010 at 4:56:02 AM
Jason, can you post a photo of your work?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by patrick on 11/30/2010 at 7:22:14 AM
I don't get it,Are they on opposite sides of the wheel? You'd have to stop and flip it around to change it, like and old fashioned track wheel. If they are on the same side,why not just have a derailleur or a common 3 speed? Why would you want to move the chain manually and get grease all over your fingers? Sounds like you're over thinking something that has been solved 100 years ago. My $.02


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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Chris on 11/30/2010 at 8:54:29 AM
sometimes you have to remove the dust cover sometimes you are told to cyclo wanted you to remove the cover when using their 2 or 3 speed sprockets. Sometimes it rubs they changed the dust cover as well because of people using more than one sprocket
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by jason on 11/30/2010 at 7:21:22 PM
JJ. I would like to take pics, and will soon as I can. If I dont get them up by tommorow night I will just post it under a new topic later, cause it may be a while and no one will want to keep checking back on this thread that long. Not that interesting, looks a lot like the pic that Vic posted of two cogs.

Patrick. I dont plan on moving the chain every few miles. It may go days on one sprocket. This bike will be used for tours of up to 500 miles, possibly more. In mountains and hilly areas a couple extra teeth will be nice, and the downhills will be coasted anyway. On the flats the smaller cog will be good for a bit more speed. In both cases, the three speed hub will be usable. No, it does not have to be flipped, just shifted a bit fore and aft. I don't mind a bit of grease, originaly I was thinking about just carrying an extra sprocket, since they are so easy to change. Putting them both on the hub is just a good way to store it.

Chris, I did get a bit of a rub, but put a very thin spacer behind the sprocket closest to the hub. Seems to work pretty well. This is a 69 hub that I am trying it on. Not sure of the year on the 40 spoke hub I want to build. If there is a major difference in dust covers, then I may have to play around with things to get it to work.

I have decided to not mess with two front rings, more for the looks than anything else. rode it today a bit, just up and down the hill from my house, and it all seems fine.

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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by jason on 12/1/2010 at 4:34:50 PM
here are some photos on flicker of the bike, with both cogs on. This is not an englich roadster by a long shot.

The frame was 5 dollars plus paint, I streched the seat on an old brooks rail, all other parts were just scrounged and found. I laced the hub into the 27 inch weinmann rim and sewed the bags myself. This is a light, simple, and fun summer touring rig.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by jason on 12/1/2010 at 4:36:32 PM
and onother of the whole bike.


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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by chris on 12/1/2010 at 5:09:13 PM
people remove the dust cover and go on it's acceptable to do and sometimes necessary. leave your dust cover if you can.
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RE:AGE / VALUE: Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Al on 12/3/2010 at 1:10:45 AM

Nice bike. Looks like an old club riding touring bike. Too bad there's not a pair of large and shiny wingnuts made for Sturmey Archer hub axles. (Or did they?) Then you'd really be in bidness. Just twist a wingnut and shift gears!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Keith Body on 12/3/2010 at 1:00:03 PM
Wingnuts were standard on some medium and close ratio SA gears in the UK.
Jason, British commuter bikes were not noted for receiving any maintenance or lubrication, so no oil leakage.
To cope with 1/2 x 1/8 chain running out of line we used to file the sides of the chainwheel teeth slightly pointed so that the chain fed on to the teeth more easily.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by jason on 12/3/2010 at 6:53:02 PM
Thanks Al. I was kind of going for a club racer look. If I could find an International with good original paint that would be neat. Think that I am to heavy and live around to many hills to do the wingnut thing. Have some and could never get them tight enough, afraid I will break them trying. They will go on something that is more parade worthy, authentic and original than this bike.

Keith. I was joking about the oil, kind of. I overfilled one on accident once. But is it true that you guys like warm beer cause Lucas made the refrigerators? :) Or that computers are not made there cause there was no way to get them to leak oil?
Just joking. i like Brit stuff. If I could put a walnut dash on it I would.

On a serious note, I took it out today and got bit in the leg by a dog. Second time Ive been bit, and out of about 14 bikes, both times on this one...
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Putting two sprockets on an AW hub posted by Keith Body on 12/4/2010 at 12:20:21 PM
Jason: what is oil?

From about 1949 nearly all my bikes had dangly bits under the rear sprockets. If chased by a dog I could out run them, by just keeping in front I once led one about a mile from home before it gave up. Never tried it with a greyhound.
I have too much history with cars to go into here, but I thought the best part of the TR7 was the wood. I remember the Lucas wiring dropping melted plastic on the drivers legs.
Keith
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Triumph T.R.8 posted by Chris on 12/5/2010 at 11:29:28 AM
I was given a tr8 they gave up on it and told me to come get it (off the freeway where it died) for free so we jumped in the tow truck and I took it home they signed over the title. I looked at it for a week and sold it for parts like the glass got about $500.00 as I remember.

I met a Japanese fellow who was putting Honda automatic transmissions and engines in the old M.G.S He asked if my 73 M.G. always "diesels" like that? He showed me his collection, he had Japanese copies of British cars like the T.R.S and M.G.'S I knew a fellow who drove his T.R.'s year round in Michigan he went sking with ski's on the roof he cut his own transmission gears and restored his ground up. He was a real enthiusiast.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:VINDEC NEW FORUM posted by: mrT24 on 11/23/2010 at 2:18:58 PM
HI THIS IS THE FIRST VINDEC BICYCLE FORUM IN THE WORLD I PULLED MY OWN COLLECTION OF VINDECS BICYCLES OUT AND MADE A FORUM JUST TO SHOW THE WORLD THEY ARE A GREAT BRITISH MADE BICYCLE AND ALWAYS WILL BE ,THEY WILL NOT BE FORGOTTON ABOUT,SO GO AND JOIN SEE THE BIKE YOU HAD OR REMEMBER ,AND HELP THE VINDEC BICYCLE STAY ALIVE


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:VINDEC NEW FORUM posted by mrT24 on 11/23/2010 at 2:34:37 PM
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:VINDEC NEW FORUM posted by mrT24 on 11/23/2010 at 2:37:30 PM
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:VINDEC NEW FORUM posted by Chris on 12/9/2010 at 11:33:51 AM
i am very excited about this! and have you found bruce robbins and bought a copy of his brown brothers c.d. with pictures and parts lists of the vindec bicycles? if not we have to look him up and do this when i get a free moment i will; look at the site you mentioned and help you.

A giggling curly haired angel grabbed my Brown Brothers book off my desk and tore and ripped it to shreds and the book screamed and cried and shuddered and died and so did my project to do what Bruce has already done. The book cried: "What did I ever do to you?" really, Bruce's D.V.D.'S c/d's are not to be missed! Bruce Robbin's from Angus Scotland his e- mail is buried in here someplace.

ANyways, I am excited to see you start a site about Vindec!!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:VINDEC NEW FORUM posted by jj on 12/14/2010 at 4:35:21 AM
A Vindec for sale on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vindec-muscle-banana-bike-/260707474142?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb3605ade


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Shortening fork tube posted by: Jerry on 11/21/2010 at 9:37:24 PM
I need to replace the fork on an old Armstrong 3 speed. I have acquired a Raleigh fork but it is longer than it needs to be. Have tried to find someone to cut threads on the tube so it could then be cut to size. However, no one has the correct die. Tell me if it is possible to go to a welding shop, have them cut the correct amount out of the tube, and then weld it back together. Would this be a safe thing to do, or can any of you guys give me other options?Regards.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Shortening fork tube posted by Keith Body on 11/22/2010 at 3:22:38 AM
I would have expected the Armstrong to be 24 TPI, not 26.
If you have the right 26 TPI headset, it would be possible to cut the fork column faily low down and braze in a sleeve, bear in mind the inside of the fork column is butted, the tube is progressively thicker towards the bottom.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Shortening fork tube posted by Jerry on 11/22/2010 at 2:45:26 PM
Thanks, Keith. No, the Armstrong is Raleigh built, so it does have the 26 TPI threading. I'm not sure of the year it was built but it does have the threading and the rear drop outs . Actually, I need to cut some of the tube out instead of adding to it, approximately 1 inch. Will the differing thickness be a problem and should it be cut nearer the bottom or closer to the threads? Thanks for the reply.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Shortening fork tube posted by Keith Body on 11/23/2010 at 11:36:40 AM
Jerry, this is not ideal, but possible. You must have enough length for the handlebar stem to go down far enough. The butted part goes up to about 3 to 4 inches up from the bottom of the fork crown. A sleeve of about 1.5 to 2 inches long would have plenty of strength. I would braze (not weld) the lower end of the sleeve in first to make sure of the penetration, then the upper end with the thread. The sleeve would be 7/8 inch, possible filed down a bit at the lower end to fit in.
Get the advice of your local welder, but don't let him weld, brazing should work.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Shortening fork tube posted by Jerry on 11/23/2010 at 9:01:29 PM
Keith, thanks for all the info and advise. I'm not a welder but I will print these ideas out and take them to a welding shop. Sounds as if it will work. Thanks again.
Jerry
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Shortening fork tube posted by tim on 11/27/2010 at 1:18:35 PM
Jerry
I have shortend,replaced fork tubes on 3 bikes 68 superbe,38 silver king and a 48 columbia.all were welded.
I cut the forks about 2 inchs from bottom used the piece that was cut out for the inner sleve.that needs to be split down the middle 1/8 inch or so hammered back round till it fits the tubes then weld it up.it workek great
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Shortening fork tube posted by Chris on 12/10/2010 at 10:43:17 AM
Keith said to braze instead of weld. Bike builders do a lot of brazing. Not all bikes are constructed the samre way. Raleigh's are made up of sheet steel steel sheets many of them. Older American bikes are created in a different way by a different process. Listen to Keith, closely
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Looking for tips for reattaching SA rear sprocket retainer ring posted by: Joe on 11/21/2010 at 9:25:15 PM
My rear sprocket (Sturmey Archer AW 1966) separated when cargo rack bungee cord fouled in wheel. Have all parts (sprocket, large washer and retainer ring) but very difficult to reattach retainer ring. Tried stretching ring open with two sets of pliers but not enough room to press down and slip ring into channel. Maybe need smaller pliers.

Anyone have any experience with this and useful tips to offer?
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Looking for tips for reattaching SA rear sprocket retainer ring posted by Keith Body on 11/22/2010 at 3:18:29 AM
Clean the spacers and sprocket. Put one end of the circlip in the groove, then press progressively round the circlip with fingers. Use almost anything to help press the last bit on.
Thats roughly how we did it, but fingers were probably harder then, didn't even need a tool.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Looking for tips for reattaching SA rear sprocket retainer ring posted by Keith Body on 11/22/2010 at 3:18:38 AM
Clean the spacers and sprocket. Put one end of the circlip in the groove, then press progressively round the circlip with fingers. Use almost anything to help press the last bit on.
Thats roughly how we did it, but fingers were probably harder then, didn't even need a tool.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Looking for tips for reattaching SA rear sprocket retainer ring posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/22/2010 at 3:46:31 AM
What Keith said.... and yes, utterly appropriate and worthy... of saying it twice.

I've used precisely that method enough times... to have gotten relatively proficient at it.

You'll be rolling in no time!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - The coriolis effect does not come into play here.....
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Looking for tips for reattaching SA rear sprocket retainer ring posted by Joe on 11/22/2010 at 8:02:38 AM
Chris and Larry:

Thanks for quick responses. I guess when bikes were all steel, so were the mechanics! I did clean everything so that the groove would not be obstructed. I'll give it a crack, starting with an open end of the clip.

This was my back-up wheel, but happily I have a back-up to the back-up, so did not need to miss a day riding (19 miles rt commute).
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