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AGE / VALUE:   Helping a friend sell NOS Raleighs posted by: Jim on 11/21/2010 at 7:01:20 PM
Looking to define the value of the following bicycles all new in the original boxes from about 1970: DL-1L tourist 28 wheel /22 frame, Mens Sports AW, Mens Sports S3C, Ladies Sports of all frame sizes, raleigh R-52 (24" wheel) and Columbia RX-5 [?] ballooner repro from 1975. Poor health is prompting sale.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Helping a friend sell NOS Raleighs posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/22/2010 at 3:52:29 AM
Wow... a veritable "time capsule". I recall a couple years ago and Ebay sellor in Philadelphia put up a number of NOS Raleigh's for auction. Pictured in crates, etc. They were mostly small frame Sports versions and were going in the neighborhood fo $300 to $400.

That was then. Those were SPORTS. An NOS large Mens' Frame DL-1 new in the crate? Wow. Tough to hazard an estimate there.

A lot would depend on what (if any) "special" stuff... i.e., Dynohubs, etc. they may be equipped with.

I'm amazed... and drawing a bit of a blank pursuant to the variety.... but I am drooling a bit so I daresay you've got a goodly trove there.

Of times if I need to guess the values on things Ebay does become my search engine.... but in this case... I doubt there's many in crates up for auction.

Still... a place to start. That... and what others say here. My offhand guess on the DL-1? Depends on the mode of sale... I would bet at-auction on Ebay it would pull well over $800.

Best of luck... and sorry to hear of the reason for selling them all.

Larry "Boneman" Bone - The possibilities....
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Helping a friend sell NOS Raleighs posted by chris on 11/22/2010 at 11:22:05 AM
N.O.S. RALEIGH TOURISTS IN THE ORIGINAL BOXES? $1000.00 AND UP.
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist bicycle posted by: Chris on 11/20/2010 at 11:39:04 AM
Wow! What a fall I took! The paint shop lost the bolt and nut for my rear rack and I am riding the bike without a rear fender. it was fastened on both side the strut that fits on the rear axle but the backstay bolt was lost and not replaced and I made the mistake of riding it anyways. BIG MISTAKE! I was flying along and it moved and rubbed the rear tire and I grabbed it and tried to straighten it but I pulled too much and it caught the tire and I came to a sudden halt the rack stopped the bike and I flew off the bike. The aftermarket Abley handlebars have an inferior bolt an nut that is not original Raleigh pattern and so the handlebars turned away from the fork out of line and so these Abley handlebars are not safe to use in our Raleigh's I believe Abley is an Indian knock off bike a fake Raleigh tourist as it were. Anyways............. What a fall I took! I flew and bounced and rolled and these bikers at the bar I passed by marveled at me Dude, Are you all right.

Banged up my leg, palms arm and my left side of my chest1 Yow! Been a good long while I took a spill like this going over the handlebars of a 24 inch frame D.L.1. tourist!! Could have been killed! I'm sorry Abley didn't copy the bolt and nut EXACTLY AS RALEIGH DID. THERE IS NOTHING AS GOOD AND AS SECURE AS ORIGINAL RALEIGH PARTS! Anyways, don't ride your bike unless it is right and all parts are secured and proper. I knew better than to do this.

Anyways, Today I take delivery of the custom bike trailer! Be safe out there!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist bicycle posted by chris on 11/20/2010 at 11:55:49 AM
As long as they don't run you over after you fall. I keep falling trying to get off the bike at work, on the porch and on camera. I'm lying there after failing to get my leg over the seat. I'm not drunk! Honest. Chris Why you keep falling they wonder! They tarred the road and had large gravel stuck in the tar before they final pave it so it really hurt. I'm fine just a bit sore. And no reflective vest either. like I said, I know better. Bought another bike and can't remember the name right now.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying to identify and date this one posted by: Jared on 11/19/2010 at 8:05:20 AM
Trying to identify and date this old bicycle I came across. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Has an emblem on the front that reads: Cycles Meteore Paris.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying to identify and date this one posted by Jared on 11/19/2010 at 8:11:45 AM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying to identify and date this one posted by Jared on 11/19/2010 at 8:12:53 AM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying to identify and date this one posted by Jared on 11/19/2010 at 8:57:19 AM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying to identify and date this one posted by JS on 11/19/2010 at 9:07:40 AM

Jared-

I don't have much info for you, but here are some links:

http://www.teloos.fr/company/meteor_cycles_jean_agent/661203407218.htm

http://www.zazzle.com/cycles_meteore_postcard-239195114352936192

I must say it has very lovely bones and much more interesting than more common bikes. Good find.

If you want to send me some more pics and info, I'd feature it on my blog.

JS-

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying to identify and date this one posted by Jared on 11/19/2010 at 11:56:30 AM
JS, send me your email address and I'll send you some pics. sky.jared@att.net
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying to identify and date this one posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/22/2010 at 10:51:06 AM
I'm really liking the way the rear brake rod is "guided" along the serpentine downtube. That's wild!

Nice machine! Plans for restoration, I hope?

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Yeah.... paralell arcs even...
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AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by: John Thompson on 11/18/2010 at 5:27:47 PM
I have an Armstrong Sovereign (from the UK) that I have done a partial restoration. It is somewhere around 50 years old. I came across it in the early 70s. It has a Reynolds 531 frame and seems to be a women’s “touring” style bike because there are connection points for fenders and also a braze-on on the right side fork which may have been for a light generator. Originally, it had a brooks saddle and campy gear train but those are long gone. I would like to put campy back on but am unsure of one aspect. Note the down-tube shifters are on “braze-ons” and there is another small braze-on socket a couple inches below the right hand shifter. For the life of me, I can’t figure out what it is for. It seems located such that there may have been a cable housing from there to the shifter but I have never seen any shifters with a socket for the other end of the short housing. Have you seen anything like this before. Also, there are braze-ons for a pump but I can’t find an 18” pump to fit. I’d appreciate any info you may have. Thanks,


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by Chris on 11/18/2010 at 6:38:53 PM
very nice bike!!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by Matthew on 11/19/2010 at 11:53:58 AM
Hi John,

You would get better response on the 'Vintage lightweight' discussion board.

Matthew - light? Wait!
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MISC:   mimms-britain special bike posted by: jeff on 11/12/2010 at 4:36:42 PM
i ran across a mimms-britain special bicycle. the mimms-britain special is on the front name badge. the bike is not in very good condition. could anyone tell me anything about the bike. please
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           RE:MISC:   mimms-britain special bike posted by Matthew on 11/16/2010 at 11:51:18 AM
Hi Jeff,

A photograph would be far more illuminating and may attract erudite debate from the participants and contributors of this page.

However brother Google informs me that Britain Mimms is mentioned in 1840 US Census Index, Monroe, Alabama.

Other than that reference the machine and its antecedence remain illusive.

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AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by: marc on 11/7/2010 at 10:29:11 PM
I have a royal blue english bicycle that I would like to identify. All that I know abut this bike is that it has a Sturmey Archer hub with a date code of 4-48. It has a Sturmey Archer 3 speed shifter mounted on the center bar not on the handle bars where it would typically be. It says in the center of the shifter - high, medium and low. The frame is not a typical diamound shape. It curves bsck towards the back wheel. I found a seril number on the back of the neck #1273.

Is the bike worth restoring back to all its original parts? It is a rear brake, petal and crank shiffter and kickstands original.I see that the rear brake is internally wired. Are the empty holes on the rear leg and the lower bar and bracket next to the hole on the lower bar the place where the original shiffter was? The bracket has a threaded hole if you look carefully. And last but not least, Was there a chain guard on this bike. I imagine there was. Where can I find original parts for this bike? I would like to polish all metal parts stip the frame and repaint it in its original color. Would that help, hurt or make no difference to its value. Any info on the bike would be appreciated.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Steve on 11/9/2010 at 4:04:21 PM
I can only get access to the small photo, but from what I can see, the shifter is a "K" type quadrant shifter used up until 1937/1938 ish.
The Sturmey Archer hub 4-48 would have had the later trigger style shifter, mounted on the handlebars.
I must confess that I don't recognise the frame....but look forward to hearing whos frame it is.

Steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by sam on 11/14/2010 at 4:22:32 AM
heck out the reply I left below
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AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by: marc on 11/7/2010 at 10:29:11 PM
I have a royal blue english bicycle that I would like to identify. All that I know abut this bike is that it has a Sturmey Archer hub with a date code of 4-48. It has a Sturmey Archer 3 speed shifter mounted on the center bar not on the handle bars where it would typically be. It says in the center of the shifter - high, medium and low. The frame is not a typical diamound shape. It curves bsck towards the back wheel. I found a seril number on the back of the neck #1273.

Is the bike worth restoring back to all its original parts? It is a rear brake, petal and crank shiffter and kickstands original.I see that the rear brake is internally wired. Are the empty holes on the rear leg and the lower bar and bracket next to the hole on the lower bar the place where the original shiffter was? The bracket has a threaded hole if you look carefully. And last but not least, Was there a chain guard on this bike. I imagine there was. Where can I find original parts for this bike? I would like to polish all metal parts stip the frame and repaint it in its original color. Would that help, hurt or make no difference to its value. Any info on the bike would be appreciated.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:ID mystery bike posted by David on 11/8/2010 at 6:40:47 AM
Cool bike. I'm sure there was a chainguard. The top-tube shifter is likely original. I presume it has been repainted, though it was likely black to begin with. Can you post your photos on some site that doesn't require signing up [like Snapfish does]? A closeup of the chain wheel might help ID it, as that part looks distinctive.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Keith Body on 11/8/2010 at 11:14:22 AM
Marc, I have never seen anything like it. If British, looks like the product of a lightweight builder. Why the low bottom bracket? The wheels are 36's, may not be original, British would be 32/40. Handlebar has a distinct Italian flavour, but only one brake lever welded on.
Moorson in Birmingham made frames with twin tubes for both top and down tubes.
Looks like a classy front fork.
Gear lever boss for derailleur, probably 50's. Lug set could be Brampton, look for evidence of the name, under the bottom bracket?

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Steve on 11/9/2010 at 4:18:44 PM
As I hadn't noticed that the message had doubled up above, I'll repeat here what I've written above in order to keep the saga moving.

I can only get access to the small photo, but from what I can see, the shifter is a "K" type quadrant shifter produced up until 1937/1938'ish.
The Sturmey Archer hub 4-48 would have had the later style trigger shifter, mounted on the handlebars.
I must confess that I don't recognise the frame....but look forward to hearing who's frame it is.

Steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by marc bromberg on 11/10/2010 at 10:55:11 AM
dear keith brody, you were right the bike is a brampton. on the pedals which are labeled L and R for left and right are the stamping Brampton made in england on the one marked L and on the one marked R it just says made in england. now what should i do? thank you marc
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Steve on 11/10/2010 at 11:43:41 AM
I didn't realise that Brampton had made complete frames !
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Keith Body on 11/10/2010 at 12:25:03 PM
Marc, Brampton were a British maker of cycle components. The lugs that join the tubes may have been made by them, as well as the pedals. If there is no name visible on the lugs perhaps a close up picture might help, although I am not very hopeful of finding either the frame maker or the other components.
Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by marc bromberg on 11/11/2010 at 5:46:15 PM
hi keith, thanks for clarifying the brampton pedals. i have looked very carefully at all lugs and i find no other identification other than the #1273 on the top tube. i do believe all parts on this bike are orig. to it(except for front brake) because i got it from the orig. owner who is 85 years old. he dose not remember the name of bike and has never painted it or changed anything unless it broke. dose the bike have any real doller value? where can i locate parts that are period correct and might have been on the bike? (seat, chain guard,front brake) thanks again marc
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by sam on 11/13/2010 at 7:16:20 PM
Marc,is this your frame?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-BICYCLE-FRAME-TELAIO-ITALIAN-MANUFACTURER-/160502116291?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item255eabefc3
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Steve on 11/14/2010 at 9:09:23 AM
Hmmm, interesting (distant relation) ?

It's funny how Marcs bike has 36 spoke wheels, I've just had a probable 1933 bike turn up here with 36 spoke wheels on elderly 26 x 1 1/4 Avon tyres.
I also would have expected 32/40 set-up.
It just makes me wonder how long the 36 spoke set-up has been around for on standard/conventional 26" rims on 1 3/8" or 1 1/4" tyres.
Later replacements ?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by sam on 11/14/2010 at 7:57:52 PM
I think early on they sold spokes by the "gross" which is 144.Half of that being 72(or 36/36 in all but England)(and 32/40 in England)did one bike.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by marc bromberg on 11/14/2010 at 8:44:20 PM
hi steve, the front tire which looks orig. says on it, Bullcord 700x35c Fabrication suisse Profil No.6 dose that mean anything? i looked at the frame that sam told me to look at. the lugs are identical, the shape that surounds the holes for the internal wireing is exact, the slope of the frame seems right,the crank on the sprocket side is exact. the differences are the front forks, and no pump bosses on that frame. also the piemontesi frame is his earliest #280 made in the early 1950s, mine is #1273 but date code on hub is 4-48 and are orig. to the bike i am told by the original owner. lastly the wheels have no rust on them or any chromeing. they polish easily and look to be aluminum. the bike is also very light. any information on all this is much appreciated. marc
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Keith Body on 11/15/2010 at 2:50:31 AM
Sam & Marc, A rare Girardengo then, I sold some of his very low end frames in the 1950's, but not like this. The handlebar looked Italian by the shape and the very poor thin chrome which was typical of post war Italian bikes.
Obviously it had only one cable brake, and the SA hub is earlier than the bike. I think 26 x 1 1/4 unlikely to be original in Italy.
I used to buy spokes 100 gross at a time, far more useful quantity than 100 in a box.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Keith Body on 11/15/2010 at 2:55:58 AM
Of course I meant Piemonte above, not Girardengo. Can't find an "edit"
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by Keith Body on 11/15/2010 at 2:08:36 PM
Just a thought Marc, the swiss Weinmann Co. (well known for brakes) made 26 x 1 1/4 alloy rims, the same width as standard endricks. They also had some Sturmey Archer gears, actually made them during the war. Locally these would have been 36 hole.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by marc bromberg on 11/16/2010 at 7:00:17 PM
to keith and sam, i am carfully takeing the bike apart. the rear brake which looks to be orig. (same patina and thin bad chroming) says on the face jeny in script lettering and a star, the other side on the face says made in france. i also removed the forks and the front fender. the tubing that goes through the neck has orange primer all around it. also something really strange there are small weep holes on the inside of the fork tips just above where the wheel mounts up. also the fork shoulders with that pretty metal cap on it. its not a cap at all it seems to be part of the casting. never saw that in my life. lastly the under side of the fender is a paler shade of blue. i would have thought that that is the primer if it wasent for the fact that where some of it is peeling there is the orange primer again. strangly enough there is no primer or anything else under the paint of the whole bike. what do you guys make of this.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by sam on 11/17/2010 at 8:14:19 AM
Narc,The chain ring is Itialian,used on Bianchi and others.I bet it was built using avalible parts after the war.
The weep holes are air holes for the brazing--keeps air pressure from pushing the brass out during the brazing process.
Lack of primer would also indicate an early post war bike.
Paint of the early post war was not the best.
I'd be very easy on doing any thing to this bike--It seems to be a very rare and Original example
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by marc bromberg on 11/17/2010 at 10:31:10 PM
thanks sam, i am takeing every part off the bike and polishing all of them taking care to leave in any original charicter of each part. my problem is to paint or not to paint. the parts are cleaning up really nice. brass tidbits everywhere. very classic and sharp. the original paint is so bad it it kills me to put stunning parts on such a nice frame in that condition for money. i love the bike its not about money. what are your feelings on the matter. marc
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by sam on 11/18/2010 at 8:36:57 PM
It's hard for me to say this---clean it only/don't repaint it---I ALWAYS repaint---that's why a bike this yours should not be in my hands.But please leave it original---it's too rare not to---sam
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by marc bromberg on 11/20/2010 at 2:40:30 PM
hi sam, funny message, i grew up in mid to late 60s and all i did for fun is ride my bikes and tear them down and paint them. mostly shwinn stingrays. i grew up and became a restoration house painter. prep. and paint is my middle name. i was thinking if i took some more detail photos of the frame with no parts on it so you can see the orig. color under all the bolts. i can prove the color is orig. to the bike then strip it and match the color exactly then it wouldnt be to much of a crime. would a pristine pepaint kill its value? i mean it still a rare bike that is almost totaly compleate with orig parts. that would not change. what do you think? marc
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by sam on 11/21/2010 at 7:17:39 PM
I have a friend named Hank.Hank showed me a very rare Itialian racing bike he was given.First think I said---"Hank,I'm glad you own this bike.I'd want to re-paint it"
I like parts bike for this reason---can't hurt them re-painting them.
To re-paint this bike is a mistake.Clean it /oil it/but don't re-paint it.Make this the one you leave "original"
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ID mystery bike posted by marc bromberg on 11/22/2010 at 6:30:38 PM
hi sam, thanks for the wise advice. i beleve you are correct. i will think long and hard before i do anything. on the other side of thought i can,t get hurt because there is such a small investment in it. also is the value just in its paint? all the other factors have no value? the world must see a sloppy brushed on paint job that is now mostly chipped up? a small mfg. with a famous name, low seiral number, unusual frame, aluminum wheels, raceing style handle bars with aluminum grips all come to nothing? in america if you have an orig.67 covette it is worth a lot of money. if you have the same vette restored it is also worth a lot of money sometimes more than the original depending on how good the resto. and how pristine the original. what do you think. thanks marc
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fit posted by: Bill on 11/5/2010 at 4:28:38 PM
Recently acquired a 23" '74 Raleigh Sport. Having trouble getting comfortable on it--seat post and stem maxed out. I am 74" tall with a 33" inseam. Mostly my upper body is cramped. Would like to keep the bike period correct but may have to resort to longer stem with more reach. Don't know how this will effect handling. Any thoughts?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fit posted by Mark on 11/5/2010 at 11:59:46 PM
Well. 1 possibility, I did this for the same reason to a 21":
Nitto Technomic [alloy] stem.Look for the longest stem length 220mm, 50 degrees bend [this is close to the Raleigh original stem]. A very nice part. Bike handles well.
Disadvantages:
Nitto T's no longer made. and pricey on Ebay $40-50.Ntto's successor prod. more so.
-The Raleigh North Roads handlebars are different than standard gooseneck where it holds the bar. So bought a decent alloy version, their brand. Bought alloy seat post to raise seat height--a brooks-to handlebar height.
-purists won't mix alloy w/ chrome.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Fit posted by David on 11/6/2010 at 11:58:01 AM
I had the same problem and am about the same size. I simply put on a longer seat post (from bikepartsusa.com IIRC) and put the stock stem up fairly high. I wear 35" sleeve so I like the bars fairly low; may not be comfy for you. I doubt you'll experience any problem with handling.
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AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by: woody on 11/3/2010 at 7:55:04 AM
hello,
i have a matching bsa wheelset: the rear hub shell has "eadie coaster patent 9917-98-20891-98" imprinted on it, an abingdon oiler cap, offset towards the sprocket, and the stacked rifles bsa k on all the parts.
i was wondering if i can date it from this info, i want to find the frame that this set is off, from the pile of old frames and parts in my fathers collection/hoard/scrap pile...
this hub was the catalyst for my obsession with vintage bicycles...servicing it was like working on a gun....
thankyou, woody
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Chris on 11/4/2010 at 10:37:56 AM
Summoning Sam......... Sam has info on Eadie
the ancient stuff is really cool I understand completely!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Keith Body on 11/4/2010 at 1:46:01 PM
Woody, Eadie coaster hubs date from about 1906 on, but coaster hubs are very rare here (UK) because we legally need 2 independent brakes,so if manufacturing a bike with a front cable or rod brake it really needs a similar rear brake. So most Eadie were exported, popular with Canadian manufacturers. If your wheels were out of an old BSA bike the front hub would be trademarked. Also are the wheels UK size or US?
There should be more info out there somewhere.
Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by woody on 11/4/2010 at 8:24:15 PM
i am in australia, the front hub is trademarked, twice, and the wheels are uk/australian size 28x1 3/8
i dont know what the frame is, it could be one of many!
thanks for this info already!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Chris on 11/5/2010 at 9:35:24 AM
Our man Sam here is into these. Sammmm???
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Keith Body on 11/5/2010 at 10:12:02 AM
It seems you have a BSA, look for the frame. If pre WW2 most BSA were made with a cast bottom bracket shell with "BSA" in the casting. If pressed lugs then under the bottom head lug and bottom bracket a BSA would have large dents which they used to hold the tubes in prior to brazing.
They used a reciprocating punch, (I saw them do it) also where the chain stays fit the bottom bracket.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by woody on 11/5/2010 at 1:08:39 PM
thanks keith i'll have a look!
there are two frames with bsa bottom brackets, one of which is a malvern star.
the malvern star frame had a ZE stamped williams chainwheel so i assumed the frame was from around 64 too, but it has a cast bsa bb shell.
the older looking one has what seem to be cast fittings on the seat stay...these frames are more than 1700km away so ill get my dad to take some photos! i should get down there by christmas.....
what was the punch of which you speak? and how did you see it?

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Keith Body on 11/6/2010 at 3:08:44 AM
Woody, I went round the BSA cycle works in 1954, and saw the method of holding the frame together before brazing.
A reciprocating punch bashed a great dent underneath on the lower part of lugs, to locate the tube. I suspect that pre WW2 they would have drilled and pinned them.
BSA also supplied hubs and fittings worldwide for local builders like Malvern. They originated some of the standards at the time, and supplied machine tools.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by woody on 11/6/2010 at 6:27:37 PM
thanks for these peices of info keith, are you suggesting that pinning lugs and frame components was generally a pre ww2 process? or just with bsa? dont suppose youve got photos of inside the cyclery?!! i am an industrial blacksmith by trade so different machinery is always a thrill to see.
but being quite young compared to most other blacksmiths (and bicycle enthusiasts, i am 28) there have been a lot of changes in the world, meaning i have missed the golden age of industrial processes......any new info from those who have learned before is welcome!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Keith Body on 11/7/2010 at 11:44:27 AM
I suspect your cast BSA parts are more likely to be made pre WW2. Cycles were made progressively cheaper through the 1930/60 period. Raleigh drilled and pinned their frames until after the TI takeover, certainly late 1960's.

Long lugs with small cut-outs were used because the tubes were cut with one angled straight cut, whereas the French used more delicate cut-outs because they had 2 straight cuts. Hand built lightweights should have the tubes mitred to fit, but it's unlikely you could tell the difference by riding. Frames were tracked up after brazing because of minor distortions when cooling.
Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by woody on 11/14/2010 at 8:00:16 PM
when did bsa start making the chainwheels with lettering bolted to the crank rather than fixed? there are two bsa lettered chainwheels in the pile, one is much older looking and has sustained some damage, but is bolted. but the other is one piece (essentially) and has no markings other than the cutout letters.
i also, on the older one, found some stamps, one is the tooth count, 46, and the other looks like it could have been a Z? each on the reverse sides of the x's
the process continues.....
is it possibly nickel plated?...
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Keith Body on 11/15/2010 at 8:22:50 AM
Before 1900 BSA 5 pin chainwheels are likely to be 1 inch pitch. Commercial chrome plating started around 1930.
Previously nickel was used. BSA made hand forged steel cranks till about 1950, but in the early days were often used by professional track riders.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by woody on 11/16/2010 at 4:06:38 PM
were the 5 pin chainwheels ever rivetted? either that or the bolts are so rusted that they look rivetted!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by Keith Body on 11/17/2010 at 9:58:57 AM
Woody, it was not unknown for the screws (3/16 inch small square head) to loosen, particularly on a fixed wheel.
Perhaps they were battered to keep them in?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eadie coaster date +info.... posted by woody on 1/16/2011 at 5:13:06 PM
the said chainwheel is 3/16 but not inch pitch. it looks like it was damaged before too much wear occured, the teeth are in great condition.
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MISC:   TERRY posted by: PETERS on 11/1/2010 at 1:49:46 PM
Can anyone tell me about TERRY. Where were they, what were they, when were they? Range of products etc. I am curious if they had anything to do with Herbert Terry & Sons of Redditch.
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           RE:MISC:   TERRY posted by Chris on 11/1/2010 at 4:31:21 PM
This is the same as Herbert Terry's and sons of Reddich, England but you didn't say Terry's with the s you said terry and that could be another company is it Terry or Terry's There was only one Terry's.

Terry's did spring saddles and spring related pats Terry's did a lot of stuff Dopn't know when they folded or what happened. We see a lot of Terry's seats / saddles there were a Huge competitior to Brooks
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           RE:MISC:   TERRY posted by PETERS on 11/2/2010 at 7:18:16 AM
Hello Chris. 'TERRY'. It can be seen printed just this way on saddles and bicycle accessories, without the 'S'. I imagine it is the same company, as 'TERRY'S'(which I suspicion to be a later way of marking their products), but I am specifically inquiring about 'TERRY', in the event there is a distinction. Herbert Terry (without the 's') and Sons of Redditch still exists I believe as part of another company. They continue to produce versions of their famous 1930's 'ANGLEPOISE' lamp by automotive engineer George Carwardine, but I do not know where their production facility is.


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           RE:MISC:   TERRY posted by PETERS on 11/2/2010 at 9:17:19 AM
There is a 'TERRY' fork mounted lamp bracket on ebay.uk at the moment, as an example. It is marked 'TERRY' and 'MADE IN ENGLAND'.
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           RE:MISC:���TERRY posted by Matthew on 11/2/2010 at 1:34:55 PM
Established in 1855, Herbert Terry & Sons had a long record of industrial
achievement in the field of springs and industrial fasteners, where the
Terry name became known and respected on a worldwide basis.
Today, Terry operates from a modern industrial base in Redditch offering a
comprehensive range of products for use in industry, hardware, sanitary,
automotive, marine and domestic environments. Terry, since October
1999, is part of the Swedish ABA group of companies an internationally
leading firm in the fields of hose and pipe clamps and connectors. '

Mr Terry in possessive form becomes Terry's with the apostrophe, hence a Terry's saddle or a Terry's jubilee clip.

Matthew - a little research pays off.
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           RE:MISC:   TERRY posted by PETERS on 11/2/2010 at 2:12:05 PM
Thanks for the reply Matthew. I am somewhat familiar with HERBERT TERRY AND SONS of REDDITCH as I have owned quite a few of their war era task lamps over the years. I had been unable to confirm that 'TERRY' was the same company, as the items I have/have seen labeled such were not identified other than as described '....ENGLAND' etc. No mention of city etc. Not having yet found a catalog or product sheet featuring said bicycle components where the company is identified in full, I was not certain if perhaps H.T.&Sons had a separate cycle division, or another member of the family doing business separately, or no relation at all......
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           RE:RE:MISC:   TERRY posted by Chris on 11/2/2010 at 4:12:45 PM
Nice Sunbeam! Thanks go to Mathew who set the record straight. I am very glad to read Mathew's report and hear that this famous maker of horsehair stuffed saddles is still around and doing well and this means jobs for the folks in Redditch and so, it all very good.
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           RE:MISC:   TERRY posted by PETERS on 11/2/2010 at 4:52:46 PM
I Just found this on-line. (Not 100% sure how to upload the link....)

http://www.spiritburner.com/fusion/showtopic.php?tid/10257/pid/148274/post/last/m/1/


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   vindec highriser posted by: mr T on 11/1/2010 at 1:40:14 PM
HI HIS ANYONE GOT ANY INFO ABOUT THE VINDEC HIGH RISER BIKE,OR PICTURES I KNOW IT IS A 1970S BIKE,THANKS
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   vindec highriser posted by Chris on 11/1/2010 at 4:33:12 PM
Keith, by the 1970 was Vindec spun off from Brown Brothers or is among the last of what was made Whatever happened to Vindec anyways? Can you answer this one for us Keith?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   vindec highriser posted by Keith Body on 11/2/2010 at 11:44:03 AM
Chris, I believe the Comrade Cycle Co. existed surprisingly till 1987.
They produced the Vindec range somewhere in Staffordshire.

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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   vindec highriser posted by Chris on 11/2/2010 at 4:16:19 PM
Thanks Keith! Hey Mr. T, can you post some pictures of your bike here for us to see?

If you need decals (transfers) there is a company that may very well have them. H. Lloyd cycles you can look them up on the internet they are in Penrith, England.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   vindec highriser posted by mrT24 on 11/28/2010 at 12:31:38 PM
JUST A PICTURE OF THE VINDEC HIGHRISER


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AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot bottom bracket removal posted by: Chris on 10/31/2010 at 10:25:37 AM
The Peugeot bottom bracket is easy to remove just a big wrench at the tire shop no special tools, no special bottom bracket fixed cup removal tools or anything just the cotter and it's easy as pie

now finding the replacement cups
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh locking front fork? posted by: Clint on 10/31/2010 at 6:11:01 AM
Just bought a 1948 Raleigh with rod brakes, rear dyno 3 hub and locking front fork. However there is no Key for the front forks. Anyone know where I can get one?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh locking front fork? posted by Chris on 10/31/2010 at 10:24:08 AM
Take the fork or the whole bike to a locksmith they can cut a key for this we have answered this question a lot here and they have secret locksmith information in their books too. Really, they do! These keys appear on e- bay is there a number printed on the face of the lock The keys say "Wilmont Union Breeden" on them. Either the series starting with N.G.N. which is my guess you have or another older series either way go see a locksmith with this neat thing!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh locking front fork? posted by Chris on 10/31/2010 at 3:23:30 PM
1948, you should be in the n.g.n. series the key and the lock face will say n.g.n. and then it gives the numeral. Lokk on the face and then buy a key or best to do is take it to a lcoksmith. if there is trouble go to a better locksmith, really.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh locking front fork? posted by Clint on 11/3/2010 at 3:17:43 PM
Thank you very much for all of you insight Chris. I really appreciate all of your help and suggestions. Unfortunately there is no numbers or letters of any kind on the face of the lock. So I think I will do as exactly as you suggested and go to a locksmith. Thank you again for taking the time to answer my question.

Clint
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh locking front fork? posted by Randy on 11/3/2010 at 8:05:06 PM
I have a Raleigh Super Be Patent # 309458 with a Front Dynohub
Sturmey Archer 3 Speed and a Prestube Minor Package rack.

I'd like to inquire it's value ,its in A1 condition.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh locking front fork?NGN posted by Pete Groh on 11/4/2010 at 8:12:47 AM
I am in the British car hobby, selling UNION keys used on early British cars. I do have some NGN cut keys on hand but not a complete set.


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh locking front fork?NGN posted by Chris on 11/4/2010 at 11:00:10 AM
So much of this stuff has simply been thrown away in the dumpster. I stood there with cash in my pocket and insatead it's in the dumpster and you can just have it for the climbing in. I was poised to buy signs and things and here Raleigh of Canada angered their dealers and when I pulled up to get it, the stuff was smashed but I did save some things....
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AGE / VALUE:   Interesting recent developement posted by: Chris on 10/28/2010 at 5:05:17 PM
go to this address and read the article in the Yorkshire post

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/businessnews/wheel-of-fortune-turns-for.6602952.jp

this was the Raleigh factory building before they moved.

Keith, was this the original factory building on Russel street or is this the building they used after this? I am a bit confused
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting recent developement posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/29/2010 at 4:54:42 AM
Nice article... but I was a bit surprised to see it open with "A HISTORIC"....

Really.... should it not read "AN HISTORIC"?

English.... indeed.

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Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Yeah... C.D.O. (Like O.C.D. but in the CORRECT ALPHABETICAL ORDER)
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting recent developement posted by Keith Body on 10/29/2010 at 7:10:10 AM
Chris, THE UK Raleigh factory was in Nottingham, I had never heard of one in Leeds, which is about 50 miles further north. It might have been a distribution depot, but far too large.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting recent developement posted by Chris on 10/29/2010 at 4:45:38 PM
I have been reading the history and these companies like Raleigh had huge distribution depots that were also assembly shops the Paris depot was described as almost factory proportions. Brooks had a huge building Brown Brothers had depots and wharehouses all over there was a time when these companies supplied the worlds markets when everybody bought and bought and people didn't have cars or could not afford cars and the bicycle and all with it, flourished. It was "the car" todays car parts markets years ago were just as large only it was the bicycle, autocycle, moped and if you could afford the luxery the motorcycle. All that turned over to cars.
Whole nations bought and relied up Britian's factories to churn out all this stuff. It was huge, thousands employed, foreign factories, wharehouses, a lot of people made a fortune in the bicycle business.

The "new to the scene" bicycle collector does not reralize this. This is why after reading and field tripping, and talking to collectors I always ask and if you have been reading here a while you have seen me ask this question before because I sit here stunned wondering "Where did it all go?"

I have had distributors tell me before it is time to go do business with another shop, the man is there with his leather case to take the shops order and he pauses to talk to me and he told me stories about old inventory going to landfils and where those landfils were. So and so threw this away but whole sections of the industry? factories, tooling, plans, jigs, blueprints piecing together what happened to the Raleigh dynasty and all the production plant that was in has been an incredible subject.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting recent developement posted by jj on 10/31/2010 at 6:01:58 AM
This is a very interesting subject.
I've seen shops close and walked by dumpsters of old parts, still in their boxes.
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AGE / VALUE:   rare and important n.o.s. parts to take notice of posted by: Chris on 10/28/2010 at 4:23:18 PM
These wheel rim washers are part of a proper Westwood wheel build or re-build. these are rarely seen in n.o.s. there are two listed on e- bay

item # 300439935410

and item# 290464417971

also:
130400535018 this is a rare N.O.S. Raleigh rim, 26 x 1 1/4 th

I would keep an eye on these sellers, It turns out I didn't pick all the meat there was off of the Canadian bone so to speak. These sellers are in Canada
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