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AGE / VALUE:   Golden Era of Dutch Roadsters posted by: Andy on 9/30/2010 at 4:45:39 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I thought folks might get a kick out of this short film... especially some of the cargo bikes hauling lumber and whatnot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HgLqts3qJs


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Golden Era of Dutch Roadsters posted by Matthew on 10/1/2010 at 1:56:02 PM
Brilliant! I really enjoyed the child trailers and cycle cars. Wow!

Matthew - to the drawing board.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Golden Era of Dutch Roadsters posted by KevinJ on 10/2/2010 at 5:38:28 PM
Everone going about their business. We were meant to go through life at about 12 mph. All dressed for the occasion too. No special gear. How wonderful! Remember the future.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Golden Era of Dutch Roadsters posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/3/2010 at 4:32:17 AM
Wow.... that's amazing stuff and I was flabbergasted when I saw that Cadillac! IMMENSE by European standards it must have been intimidating to all others on the road.

One thought that popped to mind... "I wonder where on earth all those bicycles are.. RIGHT NOW?

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Beyond amazing.....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Golden Era of Dutch Roadsters posted by Matthew on 10/3/2010 at 11:48:40 AM
Larry,

As this is post WW2 the bikes are probably being ridden still, past down from Oma and Opa to their student grandchildren.

Matthew - its in the genes. We are in the jeans.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Golden Era of Dutch Roadsters posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/4/2010 at 12:32:56 PM
Of that, I would have no doubt! One day, I'll have to visit to see it.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - still rubbin' the jawbone....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Golden Era of Dutch Roadsters posted by Steve on 10/14/2010 at 9:08:31 AM
Lovely, thanks for posting it.
Steve
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FOR SALE:   Coming Soon: Bikes out of storage for sale on OldRoads.com posted by: Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 9/30/2010 at 4:10:06 PM
Once our season here in the Boston area slows down, we'll be posting cycles for sale through our site again.
Shipping is a pain, but I've got 2 great mechanics and want to keep them busy in the off-season.

Here's a preview of the kind of cycles we have in storage:

http://oldroads.com/bicycles_for_sale.asp


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           RE:FOR SALE: Coming Soon: Bikes out of storage for sale on OldRoads.com posted by mark on 10/9/2010 at 12:45:36 PM
got a boys 20" raleigh mountie by chance? frame or complete?
thanx
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           RE:FOR SALE:   Coming Soon: Bikes out of storage for sale on OldRoads.com posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 10/10/2010 at 5:20:55 AM
The closest thing I can see right now is a 1940s rod brake Elswick.

-Vin


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           RE:FOR SALE:   Coming Soon: Bikes out of storage for sale on OldRoads.com posted by Thom J. on 10/14/2010 at 9:25:57 AM
Anything in the pipeline for a Raleigh Sports with SA S5 twin stick shifters? Saw one a while ago on fleabay but for $700.00 plus shipping it was way too much $$$$. Thx in advance, Thom.
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AGE / VALUE:   source for parts Raleigh cones and cotter pins posted by: Chris on 9/29/2010 at 6:40:00 PM
Save this!
HarmonyWaterRestoration.com

e- mail harmony@harmonywater.net

telephone 845-338-4443

USPS TO P.O. Box 3805, Kingston, NY 12402

They offer well made Raleigh hub cones with the shoulder spigot and it's Raleigh threading inside the cone totally accurate better- than- reproductions

also,

cotter pins that accept the Original Raleigh "R" nuts
worth the price!

I hope to see them do more!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   source for parts Raleigh cones and cotter pins posted by Chris on 9/29/2010 at 6:46:10 PM
This way you can use an original front hub axle and in so doing have the Raleigh R nut serrated washer keeping the bike 100% original!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   source for parts Raleigh cones and cotter pins posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/3/2010 at 4:34:17 AM
Wow... that's almost LOCAL to me. About an hour and a half away actually.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Not in my back yard! But... close!
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   source for parts Raleigh cones and cotter pins posted by Chris on 10/3/2010 at 4:30:35 PM
These cones are better than exact Replicas they use the original threading so an original axle and nut with the R will thread on perfectly They have the shoulder that fits in the front fork which is Raleigh safety device to keep the front wheel snug between the fork arms. Original up to a point.............

You see after sometimes in the 1960's Raleigh switched to a washer that fit into the fork and the cones were plain and had no shoulder now, you adjust the washer or the new version cones the front hubs because adjustable because the old style set up was really hard on cones and front hub bearings. An adjustable set up was better Keith has mentioned this here before, on this subject. So, I hope to discuss this with this maker and see if we can fabricate a washer with the shoulder and go to a plain and also adjustable cone. There was this one maker of front hubs and cones, my mind won't pull it up, they were in the Brown Brothers books and old school people remember these front hubs with respect and a smile they say Oh, those were wonderful. I forget the name of the hubs.

Anyways, these are acceptable but better is the washer with the shoulder with a plain cone. The steel these people use is great and I am excited about their cotter pins as well.

I pulled drawers of cones out of shops all long gone now.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   source for parts Raleigh cones and cotter pins posted by Chris on 10/9/2010 at 2:06:21 PM
Larry, go see them . See what else they can turn on their lathes!
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AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by: PETERS on 9/28/2010 at 6:34:47 PM
So, I have a beautiful DUNLOP CHAMPION 26 x 1 3/8 Tire that says it 'FITS RIM EA 23 OR F 23'. I gather from the charts that this is in fact the same size as EA 3, and I am pretty sure that I pulled it from an old Raleigh (too long ago to be certain). Now, if Dunlop was marking their rims EA 3, then why mark the tires to fit them 'EA 23 OR F 23'? Are they the same? (I have tried to fit this tire on a DUNLOP EA 3 rim and it is veeerrry tight). Was this some goofy export thing.....? Anyone know the story?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by chris on 9/29/2010 at 9:33:33 AM
Keith, can you answer this one?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Keith Body on 9/29/2010 at 12:05:21 PM
Chris and Peters
My bike repairing finished in 1966, and I had no experience of export markets. I would have expected a british made 26 x 1 3/8 to fit your ea3 rim.
Our tyre sizes were so simple, pity it got screwed up.
basically we had 1 28 x 1 1/2, and 1 26 x 1 1/2 which were very rare by mid 1950's, everything else was 26 x 1 3/8, 26 x 1 1/4 and 27 x 1 1/4, plus juveniles.
I was always able to remove and refit wired-on tyres (these were never "clinchers", which correctly refers to beaded edge, Which were never seen in UK after about 1900) without any tyre levers, there was just enough space in the well of the rim. Without hands-on it's not easy to tell.
Keith
Keith
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Chris on 9/29/2010 at 4:15:37 PM
Dunlop's moulds went traveling the world with their famous and benchmark patterns living on long afterlifes in foreign countries.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 9/29/2010 at 5:18:31 PM
Keith and Chris- The tire is also marked 'MADE IN GREAT BRITAIN' and 'MADE UNDER D.R.CO'S PATENTS SEE CONDITION OF LIMITED LICENSE' (standard markings I believe....by the way, I am in New York). It must be for an EA 3, but I'm still curious about this 'EA 23 OR F23' business. As far as I know, Dunlop always called their EA 3 rims EA 3's. I can't imagine this tire could be older than 1950's, though I'm not certain when the 'CHAMPION' line rolled out. So who had 'EA 23' or 'F 23' rims that would need to know this tire fit, and why would Dunlop then exclude 'EA 3' from the sidewall if they are all the same product to fit the same standard rim?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Chris on 9/29/2010 at 6:31:07 PM
Schwinn came out with their own bike to evenly compete with Raleigh. It used 26 x 1 3/8 tires and the size very close , close enough that this tire will also fit the Schwinn version. The second designation means it'll fit the Schwinn.

Am I correct or wrong on this? I'm not 100% sure.

Dunlop was huge more huge than we know or realize. They WERE , THE owners of the cycle tires business. They had their own rim mills making cycle rims for Raleigh and others. Then, a clothing department for weatherproof garments. Dunlop Cycle clothing L.T.D.

The e.a. 3 is the British size this second designation means it fits something else as well, My guess is it fits a Schwinn size. repeating myself, I know. I'm interested to know what means as well.

I pulled so many cans of 16 mm film out of Landfil the entire Uniroyal archive so many cans of film and cleaning it all and replacing reels and caring for the film and it totally spooked the heck out of me that so much of the history and documentation was left to be buldozed, forgotten, and covered up. Watching reel after reel after reel it was boggling to try to grip the fact that this is standard procedure, but the amount of waste!! This was just one plant.

Oh, to have been there and pick thru the remains of Dunlop!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 9/29/2010 at 7:12:15 PM
I understand Chris. I am not one of those that wishes particularly to stop time, or turn back the clock..(well....maybe a little....). I love innovation and progress, but I leave that to others to obsess over. As for me, I love my old machines. Just this past week, I went to a charitable organization type bike-shop on the off chance they might have an old BRAMPTON pedal in the rummage box to re-hab a cripple I have, and saw an 'out of the woodwork' RUDGE from about '50 or so. It was just in, and they would not let me have it for any price until they had worked it over. This meant new rubber: tires, grips, and cables plus who knows what.... even though all were original and in excellent order. This bike had a mate to my DUNLOP tire that has prompted this post (I have been trying to match this tire on and off for years for a particular restoration). Anyway, they tell me they ALWAYS throw the tires away and put on new (no doubt the 'superlative' KENDA), and actually literally CUT the cables off, which on older model english bikes forces new brakes as well. These are the old 40's - early 50's smooth black housings that can't be had for love OR money anymore. OK, so what? SPORTS models were manufactured in such numbers that wrecking a few does not matter, I guess. But realize, they would make no distinction between this and a THANET or DAWES or RRA or you-name-it with archaic derailleurs etc. that can't be readily made operable with modern components, once rendered inoperable through gross dis-regard and the wont of a proper tune-up. Everyone can't be an expert on everything, but throwing away money and destroying the past as two birds in one bush surely must be a sin? Surely. My apologies for the blah, blah, blah.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 9/29/2010 at 7:21:25 PM
...regarding the Schwinn/ Raleigh 26 x 1 3/8 interchangeability, my understanding is that they are NOT interchangeable. Sheldon Brown discusses this in the tire size section on his site (wish he was still around.....)
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Christopher on 9/30/2010 at 6:00:19 PM
Go with Sheldon says, I was not sure. So we don't know what this other marking/ designation you mentioned is then.
I wish this shop place you mentioned would not be so black or white I have seen crazy priced gotten for original cable housing or cable casing just insanely high prices for cable casing on e- bay. and I am a vintage tire collector as well.

Ask if they will sign something releasing them of liability on their part so they can sell you something as it comes in their shop before they half destroy the value of the thing. Try to find a way to gently and respectfully but firmly and "in an illuminating way" to get them to change their attitude that is probably in response to heading off a lawsuit from a buyer who bought a bike with old parts on it.

These people are screwing the old bikes up in response to avoid the phantom fear of a lawsuit. Ge tthem to change their paperwork

offer a buyer the option of buying it as is, "UNMOLESTED" as we say in bicycle land. Unmolested means ALL ORIGINAL, UN RESTORED, UN- UP-DATED, WITH ORIGINAL TIRES AND CABLE CASING AND WITH ORIGINAL METAL VALVES AND DERAILEURS AND ORIGINAL BRAKES VINTAGE DERAILERS? WHOLE BOOKS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT VINTAGE DERAILERS The Dancing Chain History and developement of the derailer bicycle FETCHING HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS I HAD TOP COLLECTORS IN THIS SCHOOL ME AS TO WHAT EXACTLY TO LOOK FOR AND VINTAGE CYCLE TIRES? WORTH BUYING THE ENTIRE OLD BICYCLE JUST TO GET THAT ONE TIRE TO MATCH THE OTHER ON ONE OF MY BIKES! OLDER PARTS ARE BETTER THAN SOME OF THE NEW.
Propose they re- work their reciept so they are released of liability and gently guide the buyer to overhaul it them selves in a more sensably manner. Have them have two reciepts one for collectors or devotees use that word "devotee" v.s. "collector" Save old parts. Go thru their dumpster find those juy Simplex 543 derailers the 3 or 4 speed ones geeze, they are worth what $1,500- $2000.00

Don't mean to step on yout toes, you already know what to do how to handle this I am just chewing nails, as you are about this. I like to bargain, cajole, undermine if necessary, re- wire and re- work attitudes to get your goals accomplished. Wheres there is a will, there is a way. When they listen to you, present an image of a fellow totally sold out to the love of vintage bicycles but find and solve their hang up for them and wheel that bike out the door just as it came to them.


I always got socked by a picker/ seller if it was in origional unrestored condition. Chris this bike is unmolested and you are gonna pay extra as everybody stands and admires the bike in it's unrestored condition I run to the bank to gather up the extra $350.00 to add to the $200.00 he is already holding. What I am saying is, it's worth more without the going over to many people who don't want it touched, and if it's gonna be ridden? they'll do it themselves. Like me, they'll spend hours, be particular about it and save original parts at all costs.

Good luck with this place and reading your post was interesting and fun and I have done my best keep us posted this place sounds interesting
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Chris on 9/30/2010 at 6:43:38 PM
No distinction between Thanet, DawEs or R.R.A.? Yow, Point well illustrated My stomach soured at the thought.
I guess what is worse is the whole bike going to the skip.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Keith Body on 10/1/2010 at 1:54:48 PM
I think I am getting drawn in to this one.

First, in the mid 1950's Dunlop roadster type cycle tyres cost retail between 30pence and 60 pence each. The Champion was at the lower end, this does not mean inferior.

Dawes, Thanet and RRA?

Dawes (1950/60's) was a quantity producer, made some more up-market bikes later.

RRA 1950's was Raleigh unsuccessful attempt at making a bike for club/racers (they didn't buy it). Decent bike, but always at least 10 years out of date, which was typical of post WW2 British cycle and component industry. They thought they could carry on selling the same stuff in a rapidly changing market. Also club/racers bought their bikes in parts, not complete. This was partly because of a tax of around 15% on complete bikes but not on components.

Thanet?? If I had contributed to H Stone's book as requested he would still not have printed the facts.

Collectible is nothing to do with quality or fitness for purpose. Ride the Thanet Silverlight at your peril. After several years of showing people how terrible they were, I took on the remains of the company, and actually owned the two frame jigs, which were critcised by the silver suppliers for being too rigid. The main problem, apart from the loony frame design, was the cost of the jigs. Beautifully made, but out of proportion financially.

Under "readers rides" /keith I have put 2 bikes, my Moser I bought end 1979, and my long gone 1951 L Vince, with 73/71 degree angles, same as the RRA, because of the cast lugs, which really should have been pulled.
Somewhere I have one of my 1955 Queree Bros with a Simplex 543. I stuck a pair of Campagnolo Paris-Roubaix ends in it and rode a couple of road races with the back pedal gear change. Undo the wheel and the wheel moves in the ends to tension the chain while changing gear. All at 30 mph.

Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 10/1/2010 at 7:07:51 PM
Well, not everyone's priorities are going to line up. The shop does good work, and they did save everything for me. They cut the shifter cable, but it only lost about 1/2", so I can fix it, and 'all is well that ends well'. I bought the bike. '53 AW alloy shell. And the grey RI bullet grips survived the ordeal, much to my shock and joy.

The DUNLOP that was on it is marked as the one previously described, except it states on the sidewall ' FITS B.S. EA3 & F4'. So, this tire went right on a EA 3 without the use of levers, as Keith describes.....And then I tried the other 'EA24 AND F24' DUNLOP. I had begun to think I had not been manly enough when I tried before, but oh no. There is no way these are the same tire. I do not think I could get this tire on an EA3 rim with many, many levers. So, I propose that as I suspected, the tire chart commonly available on the world-wide-web might be wrong.

WHAT THEN, IS AN EA23 or F23 RIM?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 10/1/2010 at 7:40:59 PM
Well, this ends up sort of like looking for your glasses when they are on your face.

I could not believe it, so I checked the rims again, and sure enough, the rear is a DUNLOP EA1, 26 x 1 1/4. The spoke hole made it difficult to read, and I falsely assumed the rims were matched. So I was trying to fit the wrong tire. Of course. My apologies.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 10/1/2010 at 8:18:35 PM
.....but I would still like to know who called EA3 rims 'EA23' and 'F23'. DUNLOP must have been selling them a lot of tires.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Chris on 10/2/2010 at 4:19:06 PM
The 26 x 1 1/4 is more commonly seen in Britain but rather rare in the States. Nice tires/ rims but I prefer the 26 x 1 3/8 tires and rims. the 26 x 1 1/4 th is a treat especially when you find an alloy Dunlop rim of 1950's vintage I sit there going Ohhh!!

Keith is worth his weight in gold, I want to hear the unvarnished, harsh truth as it really was back in the day this is how Baz and Honk from Johnny Helms's cartoon is Cycling and Mopeds magazine ( cycling) would talk if there were real. Keith is real about this stuff. Keep it up Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 10/5/2010 at 11:21:34 AM
Keith- By the way, the bike I am working on is that '49 RUDGE I posted about a while back. You kindly responded to my question about the flip-flop freewheel bearings etc. This bicycle, though a regular sports model, is a bit of an oddball set-up. All clips, cables, and brakes are standard and original for a '49 SPORTS....old B66 long hole saddle, northroads raised, closed top seatpost, etc. The pedals, however are rubber block BRAMPTON Mk.10's. The rear wheel is a steel DUNLOP EA 1 (as just realized to my embarassment)with s/s spokes + S/A flip-flop and wingnuts as discussed previously, the front wheel a steel DUNLOP EA 3 with s/s spokes. All show a consistent level of wear and age, and I think it has been like this since very close to the beginning. I have seen a lot of sports models here in the northeast, but the pedals, spokes, and rear wheel are very unusual. Two rim sizes....what a pain!.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by Keith Body on 10/6/2010 at 12:55:25 PM
Peters, My best suggestion is that the supplying retailer had a 1948 Raleigh "racer" and used the SA gear back wheel from the Rudge to sell it. The single speed fixed/free bikes would not have sold in the UK in 1949 either.
Looking for a rudge catalogue, I had another look at P Kohler's raleigh stuff. Specifications are OK, but he makes the mistake of believing the nonsense about club/racing cyclists using Raleigh, as Raleigh (hopefully) themselves describe. The Raleigh drop-handlebar bikes of 1949/50 were mainly for teenagers riding to school or work.
Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by PETERS on 10/6/2010 at 8:04:07 PM
Thanks Keith. That makes good sense, and must be just about exactly what happened.....(Why they put on the Brampton rubber blocks, will remain a mystery.)
Regards.
PETERS
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   DUNLOP EA 23 F 23 posted by sam on 10/11/2010 at 9:10:08 PM
There is a picture of dunlop showing a crest stating New York,Paris,and London--interesting is New York is first!
English tyres were made to sale to the world.English rims were made in canadain size/american size and french sizes.
England truly sold bicycle parts to the world--sam
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MISC:   English Cycling; books & mags. posted by: Thom J. on 9/28/2010 at 12:52:52 PM
Although I subscribe to Bicycle Quarterly and Velo Vision etc, I'm still on the search for books and or magazines, both new and old, relative to the English/British type of cycling. BQ is very French/European oriented which is fine but I'd like to read more about the British way of cycling. Any recommendations from you folks? Thx in advance, Thom.
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AGE / VALUE:   Short and sweet answer posted by: Chris on 9/28/2010 at 10:11:51 AM
The truck pulls up, I run over and introduce myself and look at the bike and he says "Oh, I never sell my bikes." Got lots of bikes. Never sell any of them. Well, that ends it right there, doesn't it? I smiled and bid him good day.

Actually, what you should do is give him your card anyways. I didn't have one on me. Force that card on them, the wife may find it and call you and the bikes that are not for sale can someday become for sale and cheaply , too.
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AGE / VALUE:   It's in primer, cross your fingers..... posted by: Chris on 9/28/2010 at 9:59:38 AM
They fudged the second rear rack and I made them do it over. I called three times instructing them not to prime the bike frame that i would be in to collect it. The bike is in primer anyways, and she said "I (she) did not get to them in time" actually she was out of the office for a long time nobody answered their phone. For a job that is going ahead aginst my will it seems ok, so far. I've been saying "no paint" "no paint," "i'll take it home in primer!" "No Paint bike!" I think they understand!

If they fudge it all up, I propmise not to borrow the truck and run the frame over while laughing insanely, before they come with the white shirt with the extra long arms that wrap around me and they carry me off.

This will be the last one I try to restore.
Raleigh or Humber what is it gonna be? I have to decide.

I may go a front fork hunting and do it up as a Humber but then again I love that Raleigh fork.

I'm getting a deal and that makes me too totally nervous about the whole deal. How about a you tube series about all the things that go wrong in a paint shop with your vintage motorcycle or bicycle with it ending with them carrying me off to the funny farm.

I took on too manny crazy old packrats in my chasing of the Famous Raleigh and it took it's toll on me.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's in primer, cross your fingers..... posted by Chris on 9/28/2010 at 6:41:04 PM
This 26 inch d.l.1 frame came from England, it wasn't cheap I lost the other one like it and the Humber fork with the headset and the bit parts with it- gone. But after a long haul over rough roads and a more than a few obstacles it's coming together. I am at the point where I want to have access to the shop and chase everybody out and just be the only one in the building and after the place is put right make magic with their equipment. The elf in green at 3:22 a.m. is there a light in that place? What are you doing in there? Just me officer, I wanted this done right!

What is dangerous and unacceptable is letting a bad experience keep you from believing, trying again, don't let it take away your dream, don't let it tell you what to do. Get up, be persistent, keep at it. Say "now look dammit, I'm going to do this."


Back of the hand service, Not this time!!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's in primer, cross your fingers..... posted by Chris on 9/29/2010 at 4:29:15 PM
Upon manufacture in 1957 The frames were boiled in a caustic solution to prevent rust. Even after having it bead blasted in 2007 and then committing the unpardonable sin of letting it sit unprotected there was just a tiny bit of surface rust on the bike. The bike has this caustic soultion on / in the steel right up to being covered in primer/ frame saver. It made all the difference and now it's in primer, washed/ sanded again. Ammazing that Raleigh's rust preventative measures held up even past being bead blasted. The house had hot water convection heating and I had the radiator registers covers bead blasted to get the rust out of the grillwork and they painted them right there but the bike project got stalled and is now just being re- started. It's good to see it in primer.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's in primer, cross your fingers..... posted by Chris on 9/30/2010 at 6:34:09 PM
Caught them at closing wanted to see it again?? "Um sure," walks me back.......... It's guarded by a male pit bull on a huge chain! Nice doggie! The bike is up high away from dog pee. It's outside in their yard away from the dust of their shop "What? no paint booth?"
Visited the bike again, letting them know it's dear to me and I am keeping my eyes on them.
No this bike is not in prison with me going to visit it with razors, food and magazines but I ask it anyways: "How they treating ya in here?" Gonna get you out of here just as soon as you are finished! Hang in there!!" It's been sanded again and the final touches of preparing the primer But!! Aieeh!! I pointed to a ripple and pointed to the faults in their work it looks much better but still is not perfect? " Ya, Ya I still working on it" he says I pointed and made a frown at the ripple in his primer work. I look at everything, kneel down and visit with the thing. You have to! don't open that box and they say no it was not damaged when it left out store! you open a box and tape it back up you look it over!

Do you know why a salesman will play the radio when you test drive a car? new or used they do this with new cars To cover any noises the car is making so you won't hear it! Until AFTER you bought it! I snap my fingers and turn around and get out if they touch that radio. Work it, jump thru a few dealerships, find just the right one. Watch for tricks get them to slow down, what's the rush?
This is my restoration job, my car, my whatever and believe me, They are taking your money make sure they earn it.

Geeze! I'm gonna have a breakdown!! See! This is why I am stopping in all the time. The rack looks good. If they remove the ripple, I'll let a bit more money at them, loosening up the reins, when it's done and done well? I pay it off in full and heck, maybee,..... order pizza and cold beer for us all. That is where I am trying to get too but so many of these paint shops loose their passion for perfection and just knock it out and onto the next job and then get nasty with you in the office. Pit bull is edible in many countries! "Um, he um.... ate our guard dog!" He was a bit upset with our work on his bike. This the same fellow who ran it over with that truck? Yes, that's him over there!
Imagine the dog crying "But Sir, I just watch their yard. I don't paint anything here. I just patrol! He did it, that human over there!"
Na, it'll be ok! I hope for a happy outcome. We'll get there even if I have to drag them kicking and screaming back to painters school.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's in primer, cross your fingers..... posted by Chris on 10/1/2010 at 10:52:14 AM
When I had my 73 M.G. in the shop for re-build I literally came in every day and worked for them, swept, ran errands, answered phones, portered customers, kept an eye on the work they did on my car and I spoke up, often with comments to prod them to doing better work on my little 1275 midget. It was fun. I remember the guy replacing a tail light lens and being in a hurry with the power screwdriver he cracked the tail light lens and I spoke up, making them replace it with a new one. He got aggrivasted but it's one of those things where they deny they did it and just leave it hoping you'll never speak up. The ripple in the primer has been removed and I hope to get this bike out very soon now.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's in primer, cross your fingers..... posted by Chris on 10/4/2010 at 6:07:43 PM
It's out of the shop, safe, back with me. I didn't bother the dog nor run the frame over. It's gonna need a bit of touch up/ reworking on the frame. It's good to see it in primer that bare steel, for 3 years was haunting me. They won't be doing the painting. It can sit in primer while I take the bike and go wandering in the west, walking into the sunset with the bike frame across my shoulders like Caine from "Kung Fu" my flute, a bed roll, the bike, a bit of food and my dusty sandles. Looking for a paint shop that can walk on the rice paper and not make a mess." Ah grasshopper, Why you want to paint it at all?"
I have to find a 26 inch frame, Humber duplex fork and wade into the decal pool besides.
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AGE / VALUE:   Hazards out in the field searching for old bikes posted by: Chris on 9/23/2010 at 6:32:05 PM
Bees swarms of bees and rattlesnakes that like old, wet , wood. Bikes? Yes, he has bikes............ place is off the grid/ private collection but I know somebody who knows somebody. Rattlesnakes, go to add that to my list of dangers braved! Wishing everybody a safe hunt!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hazards out in the field searching for old bikes posted by sam on 9/24/2010 at 7:25:38 PM
Some of these guys never seen a rattle snake,Chris.
I never kill a rattle snake---I like them better than my boss!Infact I quite killing any snake(unless it get's in the house)a long time ago---sam
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hazards out in the field searching for old bikes posted by Chris on 9/25/2010 at 4:29:24 PM
Texans are smart they know what the snake looks like, where they are to be found, and they wear boots and have common sense to avoid getting bit by them. Foreigners like me had to learn carefully. This thorn grass that blows out bike tubes is a real trip.
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AGE / VALUE:   part of Sturmey- Archer R.S.W 16/ Raleigh WISP posted by: Chris on 9/23/2010 at 6:00:03 PM
Take a look at e- bay item #260667308338 As this is the hub I am talking about. I got to own a few of these along my merry collecting way. I got to speak to the designer/ inventor ofthis hub as it was intended/used in the R.S.W. 16 bike. The R.S.W. 16 is the idiot sister to the Raleigh Chopper. I got diverted into r.s.w. 16's after seeing them in various riotous colors in the Prisioner t.v. series with Patrick Magooan this is now out on d.v.d. I had a shop in England sell me R.S.W. 16 bikes of all variartions as he had a lot of it he could not get rid of so I got a lot of them. I had sent him money and he decided what I really wanted for me. I insulted the guy who designed this hub over the phone I said something that should have been not said. I didn't think too highly of this hub - did a tour of duty thru Moultons and R.S.W. 16 and R.S.W.14's and Raleigh 20's The money was in Choppers still is! and my love is rod brake tourists but shop pals saw me go off the wall into crazyness and one guy asked me What the @#** are you doing? Having fun! was my best answer.

Anyways I remember this exact hub only in an alloy shell and it had the designigations same as this but what I am trying to say is, this exact hub was produced in an alloy shell!

Can you imagine riding this hub and having the guts rip thru the alloy shell? I would not trust this in an alloy shell and I guess that is why not too many of these were offered in an alloy shell. Anyways seeing this hub made me remember finding one of these at this one bike shop.

He had a pre war ladies 28 inch wheel rod brake tourist I bought it, he had hubs and let me run thru the place buying everything I wanted to buy but it was a 5 hour trip and I got sick on the way home. Some of the weirdest stuff winds up in the most unlikely places. Somebody more serious who treated this as business would have focused on Choppers Raleigh Choppers and I've been there too but more money could have been made had I been more selective. I wanted to chase it all, and all at once and I found it too!


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1963 Raleigh Colt restoration project posted by: Brad from Greenacres, FL on 9/21/2010 at 7:40:14 AM
I just wanted to share new photo's from my now completed restoration project on my 1963 Raleigh Colt which I've had since 1974. After being laid off last December from the phone company I've had lots of time on my hands so I finally decided to restore my old Raleigh. I've actually restored a 1961 Raleigh Colt, a 1974 Raleigh Sports and a 1987 Cannondale ST-400 over the past year.
The rear wheel was built up with S/S spokes and a cherry 3-1963 S/A NOS hub I found on Ebay last year. I had the frame, fenders and rear Prestube Minor rack glass bead blasted and painted with 1992 Mazda Graceful Red Metallic paint and clear coat. (very close to the original color). I installed new Schwalbe Delta Cruiser creme tires, a vintage early 1960's Brooks B66 saddle & Brooks "D" tool bag and even found a NOS Elite head light that fits onto the Raleigh lamp bracket perfectly. The decals came from H. Lloyd Cycles in the UK and the COLT decal was custom made by Crawford's Decals of Elyria, OH


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1963 Raleigh Colt restoration project posted by clint Flack on 9/21/2010 at 2:53:39 PM
That is a gorgeous bike! Very professional restoration. You have a nice collection.

Clint
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1963 Raleigh Colt restoration project posted by Al on 9/21/2010 at 10:53:47 PM

That's nice. How did you get the headbadge back on? Brass rivets, what size? That long stem looks comfortable. I like the way you customized the bike to fit better, but still look like it all belongs.

So, how do you like the tires? Do they feel heavy or supple?


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1963 Raleigh Colt restoration project posted by Brad from Greenacres, FL on 9/22/2010 at 2:58:36 PM
Thank you for the nice comments. As for the headbadge, I found a guy on Ebay with a supply of rivets specifically for Raleighs. It tapped in the rivets with a small hammer and used a rat tail file to flatten them out from inside the head tube. I added a longer handlebar stem & alloy Northroad handlebars (as I'm 5' 9") It fits me a little better. I also updated the headset with a new style that still looks like it is original (sealed bearings)I really like the Schwalbe Cremes, they really make it look classy plus the sidewalls are reflective and the tires are virtually flat proof. Feels great going down the road., "Makes a nice hummmmmm"
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AGE / VALUE:   You just gotta see this! posted by: sam on 9/20/2010 at 7:41:21 PM
http://www.wimp.com/ridebike/
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   You just gotta see this! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/21/2010 at 6:35:45 PM
That's just.... well.... it's just crazy, funny and... impressive!

Thanks for liking it.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - he could sell that seat... he aint usin' it!!!!
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AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by: Chris on 9/17/2010 at 5:59:24 PM
$25.00 for the whole bike! the best part was the rear hub with brake and the front brake too! Shimano inter 7 with the twist grip shifter and i passed on it. Don't care to get into it Would have difficulty in getting spokes the right size to fit the d.l.1. they'd have to be cut and that's a pain. Still the best offerings the thrift store has had in over a year.

I know it's a good deal, still this hub does nothing for me perhaps it's depression today because it is a good deal i know it's probably gone by now anyways.

Occaisionally I do dumb things and this was another example. I'm too old school even for this very decent hub. I wasted the Shimano dynohub project it was fustrating and I'd rather stick to Sturmey Dynohubs the b.s.a. hublite in alloy actually use cateye halogen battery bulbs with rechargable batteries.
oh heck, i'll go for ! where is my spoke cutting tool?

Aieeh!! i'm running there now!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/18/2010 at 4:41:36 AM
Is it not just downright maddening to have becom an anachronism in one's own time?

Fark it... wear that badge PROUDLY!!!!

I do!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Older than I really am actually....
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 9/18/2010 at 9:53:06 AM
ok, it was still there and I got it for 20.00. front and rear Shimano hubs the rear is an alloy inter 7 with the grip shifter the front is a small shimano brake a band type it looks like alloy shimano the bike is like a specialized globe but some other Japanese brand green alloy welded ladies frame sturdy rear rack. I will change out the wheels and put some sensible 26 x 1 3/8 wheels on it not this mountain bike crossover junk the tires are rotted and not labeled with their size. alloy pedal crank thread on one side gave up the ghost the pedal falls out so need a crank too. I got it for the hubs love the headlight will look it over and do a better follow up report still don't know what it is that i have, frame wise.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/19/2010 at 6:18:54 AM
That inter 7 alone was well worth the purchase price. I miss the days of cruising the Sally in Binghamton, NY. I found many a roadster there... I bet they still turn up too. I'm just no-where near the place.

Nicely done!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Parts is... what you can use them for.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 9/19/2010 at 9:56:32 AM
The bike is labeled EXOTEC inter 7 made in Taiwan, green anodised ladies swooping top tube (modern) beautiful finish tange cromo plain gague tubing 26 x 1.75 tires rims say 6061 t-6 al vp 18p alloy front brake shimano power modulator inter m front hub BR - 1 M41 REAR HUB IS NEXUS INTER M iNTER 7 36 hole spokes are tight and look a bit better than most spokes is a beautiful bike

The left side crank is alloy and the steel threadings of the pedals combined with soft alloy the threads are gone needs a new crank, a new seat, tires. sorry for posting this in the wrong place. I'm excited, Texas thrift stores do not yield decent used bikes and I am stunned as well. Boss tried to give me the day off and I undermined him and worked anyways and I caught heck but if I stayed home I'd have missed this bike. "You were not supposed to work! and what's this bike in my wharehouse? This is not a bike shop Chris! get it out of here!" Now!" "Is is a good deal? I think so! Sir!" Anyways my research into this bike is just beginning! I feel alive again! nothing like finding an old bike!! I have never heard of nor seen this brand of bike!
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/20/2010 at 7:09:33 AM
Not for nothing... but new, that hub is a bit pricey!

http://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Nexus-Inter-Roller-Silver/dp/B000F5HYDG

Ya done good!

Later!

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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 9/20/2010 at 10:50:20 AM
I really always have loved it when people tell me: ya did good! I'd ask: "did I do good? did I? did I?

A pal found a box with gold rings the cheapest of them was 500.00 Don't be fussy go thru the trash looking into everything.

Luck has different degrees faith and persistence is key
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 9/20/2010 at 10:54:09 AM
The chain is 3/ 32 and the sprocket is thin not possible to but any kind of a cyclo cog adaptor on it or multiple derailer cluster on the nexus it impossible, the shifter linkage is right in the way. I love the fork and the headset in the bike The whole bike is just kick butt!
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by chris on 9/20/2010 at 10:55:36 AM
I'll fit another set of 26 x 1.75 tires on it and a new crank arm
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 9/20/2010 at 6:23:27 PM
This is the perfect bike for me. There is nothing on the net, (so far that I can see) about this bike No company web site, nothing on e- bay, nothing in the datebase here except for what Im writing now, interesting bike! No info about exotec ! Some mention about the carbon fork snapping but the fork on mine is aluminum so no worry there. I will continue to research this anyways...........Back to English bikes!
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/23/2010 at 7:37:37 AM
So a true Orphan... of sorts. Lemme ask some of the gearhead rolling cloud riders here at work. They may have heard of it.

Later!

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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 9/28/2010 at 9:59:31 AM
the bike is a tad heavy for a cromo frame bike but when i inflated the tires and took it out for a roll it fly's right along. got to pull the crank off and replace it, needs a new seat.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 10/4/2010 at 6:14:47 PM
This hub is about 20 years old right now and anything 7 speed now, is labeled "department store" they have more speeds now and it was obsolete the day it first arrived in the shops. What bothers me is you cannot add a derailer cluster because of that control mechanism. So it's a 7 speed well, I could add a front changer. I'll leave it as is and try to remember the whole shebang was only 20.00 Got the crank fixed.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano inter 7 posted by Chris on 10/4/2010 at 6:15:04 PM
This hub is about 20 years old right now and anything 7 speed now, is labeled "department store" they have more speeds now and it was obsolete the day it first arrived in the shops. What bothers me is you cannot add a derailer cluster because of that control mechanism. So it's a 7 speed well, I could add a front changer. I'll leave it as is and try to remember the whole shebang was only 20.00 Got the crank fixed.
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           B.S.A. hubs posted by Chris on 10/4/2010 at 6:29:47 PM
I want to go back as far possible, find a 1918 B.S.A. 3 speed hub before the 1927 deal with Raleigh where Sturmey Archer supplied B.S.A. with hubs. Before the behind the scenes corporate messing about with competition it went past price fixing deals and agreements Raleigh/ Bowden/ Sturmey had the nerve to get rid of competing products at any price. So a 1918 B.S.A. hub may be a good starting point and then I'll pull the driver out and have a deranged machinist modify a driver with just abit more threading so a derailer cluster will fit and create a longer axle as well, so I can thread derailer clusters/ Cyclo gear type stuff/ on to a B.S.A. hub that is old, old, school always in one gear or the other none of this, no middle no gear if I don't have the thing adjusted properly by some chance and it can take the larger clusters and not stress the poor thing like a more recent sturmey might. The B.S.A. is smooth, bearings all thru it. And it's mysterious, seldom used and never modified like I want to do.
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AGE / VALUE:   you tube video to see posted by: Chris on 9/16/2010 at 6:23:48 PM
Bike in the box episode 4 return to vintage cycle

on you tube


Be sure to plug this thru the universal translator so you can understand what they are saying and so you can communicate with them as well.
This business where they babble and you don't understand them has got to end.

So much hostility and problems will be eliminated when we all use one universal language, one common tongue.

In the future there has got to be one universal language thanks to new, not yet revealed, computer program.

First language, then religion......
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   you tube video to see posted by Chris on 9/16/2010 at 6:42:38 PM
Arabic people switch mid sentence from English to Arabic and back and forth and look at you smiling because they just screened you out of whatever they are saying about you or whatever they didn't want you to hear knowing you only speak English. Mexican people ones I have met who speak Spanish don't "work it" like Arabs do. They don't speak English, want you to learn Spanish or else! I teach you Greek as you teach me Spanish they look at me like oh sure

Fix this language problem so work can resume on the tower of Babel!

In the midst of all the Spanish he says in good English "No worry, we do motorcycles, I do a good job." The rack looks great now they are entrusted with the whole frame, first in primer.... Fingers crossed!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   you tube video to see posted by JS on 9/16/2010 at 11:37:39 PM
Actually, I featured this video on my blog a couple of months back, and really all you need to know is English.

Chu Kin Hang is a good guy and we communicate from time to time. You can find his Hong Kong Vintage Cycle club on Facebook. Lot's of Brit bikes, as you might expect from a former colony.

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org/2010/05/hong-kong-vintage-cycle-club.html


-JS

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   you tube video to see posted by Kevin on 9/17/2010 at 10:44:29 AM
We can't even all agree to use the metric system, much less a common language. As some politician once said, "If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for anybody."
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   you tube video to see posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/18/2010 at 4:44:41 AM
Hmmm.... if at all... there are but two "univeral" languages...

Music and Mathematics... and actually, they're closely related.

Unfortunately, I have not a clue how to say "How are you this fine day" in B-minor OR trigonometry.

;-)

So... I'll just stick with....

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Ciao!
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AGE / VALUE:   Whatever happened to? Blast from Cycling's past posted by: Christopher on 9/15/2010 at 5:50:14 PM
October 7, 1959

The most important reason why I look for stuff is not to make a dollar or be a mercenary the formost reason is I LOVE THIS STUFF, WANT TO SEE IT SAVED FROM LANDFIL, AND FOR HISTORY SO IT DOES NOT SINK WITHOUT A TRACE, FOR MY OWN EDUCATION IN VINTAGE BIKES, AND TO HELP OTHERS WHO ARE INTO THIS STUFF.
I have seen it thrown out seen too much thrown out, carted to landfil made notes where the landfils were like it does any good once it's in landfil!
Whatever happened to these people and companies? What atthese locations today? what happened to the inventories, tooling, patterns, jigs? The people, places?

Don't assume it is all gone. Because it often is not. It's still there! Because I found stuff! opened drawers and pulled out stuff so rare I needed some of the top collectors in this to school me in what I found. Fantastic stuff worth good money. "Um, Chris, I am willing to take that French Campagnolo off your hands, that Juy Simplex 543 derailer, those G.B. Quick release skewers, send it to me!" Next time I frame it and keep it all! My teachers were too well compensated!

So I like to look for stuff also, I want to encourage you to find out and record for history what happened to and perhaps resurrect this and do some good perhaps buy old stock and make a bit o money how about photograph what you see before it is gone?

Let me know what you find out- e- mail! humberchristopher29@hotmail.com

blast from the past!
Just the job, Chas., Why don't you ride Chas Mann's wheels and keep in front? Chas Mann, The Green, King's Norton,Birmingham Phone KIN 3074. zzz-2977

Percy Freeman for gears and spares, BSA., Sturmey- Archer, Cyclo, Simplex e.t.c. 109 brownhill Road, Catford, S.E.6. Hither Green 2779

Jack Baguley offers Weinman H.P. Wheels from 55s a pair wheels, tubular accesories 48 Crossway, Stoke Newington, N 16

KIRBY OF HIGHBURY for really good wheels guarenteed Quotations with pleasure, 69 Highbury park, London, N5

EVER HEAR OF THIS GUY?
R.O. HARRISON ridden the world over by riders who know a good frame Individually hand built by R.O HARRISION LTD. 111 EVILINA ROAD, NUNHEAD,PECKHAM, S.E.15

NORMAN LOCK, MAKERS OF NORMAN SUPERIOR CYCLES AND FRAMES STREATHHAM COMMON, S.W. 16 This is a different Norman, perhaps?

There is more, and I will finish up vintage clothing piece too.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Whatever happened to? Blast from Cycling's past posted by sam on 9/15/2010 at 6:34:17 PM
R.O.Harrison:
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/harrison.html

And a lot more on british builders
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Whatever happened to? Blast from Cycling's past posted by Chris on 9/16/2010 at 6:34:49 PM
Thanks! hopefully we can get all of them up there, so there are no gaps.

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AGE / VALUE:   the very tops in english biking posted by: sam on 9/15/2010 at 1:45:56 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/1913-VTG-ANTIQUE-BICYCLE-MOTOR-WHEEL-Motorwheel-Bike-NR-/280490924848?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item414e8fdb30

Must have been exciting to have.
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