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AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed posted by: Jason on 8/22/2010 at 3:27:34 PM
Dawn Tourist has both front and rear lights, full chainguard (rusty though) and all original paint and labels in good shape. Rod brakes. Needs a front dyno hub

BSA is a 1970 in great shape

DL1 is absolutely mint with nary. Nick or scratch, original pump etc. As new

Wondering about value on these. Thanks!!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed posted by Kevin on 8/23/2010 at 4:19:05 PM
That depends on whether they are men's or women's bikes; frame size; location, etc. etc. Photos would help.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed posted by Jason on 8/24/2010 at 5:49:52 AM
Okay thanks. All are men's frames. The DL1 is a 23, BSA is a 21, and Dawn Tourist is a 21.


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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed posted by Jason on 8/24/2010 at 5:54:02 AM
Here's the dawn tourist (to be restored)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4917880745_dd9c7e790e_b_d.jpg

And the BSA

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4920676408_45d06862b8_b_d.jpg


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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed posted by Jason on 8/26/2010 at 1:30:54 PM
Anyone? :)
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed posted by Matthew on 8/29/2010 at 3:20:54 PM
Hi Jason,

What is it about the Raleigh that makes it a 'Dawn' as opposed to a 'Superbe'? I am asking because I do not know.

If you want UK values; The Raleigh - would probably struggle to make more than £20 unless some eager bidder goes mad on eBay. I sold a really good Superbe 2 yrs ago for £65 and now it would probably top £100.

The BSA is a badge engineered Raleigh and could be seen as 'retro' which has lead to lots of city folk and students buying, riding and neglecting these machines they can make silly money on eBay now perhaps £60+ but previously they would have struggled to make £40.Brand new in 1975 the BSA would have retailed for about £39.99

Matthew - what are words worth?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed posted by Jason on 8/30/2010 at 11:09:46 AM
Hey thanks Matthew -

The Dawn tourist (the one with the rusty chainguard) is a Dawn because of the 26" wheels and rod brakes. They were rare in the States, from what I gather.

The other tourist you see in the picture above is a DL-1 or regular Tourist with 28" wheels, built for someone who's about 8 foot tall, etc :)

re: the BSA - I thought the frame looked pretty much identical to a Raleigh!
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WANTED:   axle for GH 6 dynohub posted by: Roderic D. Schmidt on 8/19/2010 at 11:59:03 AM
Greetings all,
So in the process of reassembling my '62 Rudge Sports, I damaged the threads on the dynohub's axle. It should hold for the time being, but will strip completely soon. Does anyone have a spare they would be willing to sell or trade for?

Many Thanks
Roderic
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           RE:WANTED:   axle for GH 6 dynohub posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/22/2010 at 4:02:16 AM
Hmmm... Front or rear dyno? I think (could be way off here) that the front may be a standard axle? If that's so, I would certainly have one of those kicking about.

Let's here what the collective say pursuant to the particulars and determine what action to take from there.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Obfuscated? No... just not sure....
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           RE:WANTED:   axle for GH 6 dynohub posted by Keith Body on 8/22/2010 at 10:03:11 AM
Roderick, Front axle is 3/8 inch by 26 TPI, same as old UK bike rear axle, but shorter. If nothing else, it is possible to cut down a rear axle, but the thread would have to be fairly long. Raleigh cut the threads, but many others just rolled the thread, which would mean the cones could be screwed in past the ends of the thread.
I presume you crossed the thread where the axle is flatted, I've done that in the past.
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           RE:WANTED:   axle for GH 6 dynohub posted by Roderic D. Schmidt on 8/29/2010 at 2:20:46 PM
Greetings Larry and Keith,
The Dynohub I've got is for the front wheel, and I did indeed crossthread it by the flats on the end. Ach.
It looks like an AW axle is my likely solution. It seems like the 6 1/4" size whould give me the most options when trimming, and I could use the center part of the axle where the sun pinion sits to replicate the 1 5/8" of unthreaded shoulder on the original axle. Does the sun pinion itself come off, or should I start saving up for a grinder?

Many Thanks,
Roderic
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           RE:WANTED:   axle for GH 6 dynohub posted by Roderic D. Schmidt on 8/29/2010 at 2:51:58 PM
Actually, scratch that last post- I just found the proper axle at Old Bike Trader. Not sure why I didn't notice it the first time I searched...

Thanks again
Roderic
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MISC:   Sturmey Archer Quadrant Shifters posted by: Richard Luke on 8/18/2010 at 4:12:59 PM
Hi,
Has anyone used a SA quadrant shifter with an AW series hub, or know if it is possible?
Regards
Richard
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           RE:MISC:   Sturmey Archer Quadrant Shifters posted by Matthew on 8/19/2010 at 10:24:12 AM
No & Yes.

Matthew - succinct
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AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by: Chris on 8/17/2010 at 6:26:12 PM
What do we know about what happened to the following?

Studying this time and the places and the people who were
prominent but today, there is no mention

Belstaff Manufacturing Co. L.T.D. Caroline Street, Longton, Stoke-on-Trent
Oil Skin made from Egyptian cambric
another one is:
The Canex Co. Ltd 112 City Road, London, E.C.1.
Waterproof cycling caps, track suits, pullovers

another one: H.W.Carradice, Leeds Road Works, Nelson, Lancs

W.G. Cheese L.T.D. 326-327 Bradford Street
Birmingham 5


Bertram Dudley and son L.T.D. Brook Street, Cleckheaton, Yorks

Ossie Dover 160 Kensington, Liverpool 7

The Tricycling Talor who specializes in shorts, plusses,and divided skirts

Dunlop Clothing and Weatherproofs L.T.D. 10-12 King Street, London

Lutz Duarsport, 63 Macdonald Street Birmingham
for woolen garmets

Benny Foster Sports Products L.T.D.
Oakengates, Shropshire

Holdsworthy Co. L.t.d. Lullington Road, Anerley, London

this is one of the few that are still with us, perhaps

Ron Kitching:
is another one who is still with us

Modo L.T.D. Model Factory Valleyfield, Dunfermline

Raxar Sport, 362 Staines Road, Hounslow

A. Schindler and Sons, 4 Bow Road, London

D.J. Smith 145 Washway Road, Sale, Cheshire

Arthur S. Waltho and Son L.T.D. Moor Street, Rusholme, Manchester

There are more!

These were the dealers who sold cyclists clothing, camping gear and everything else.

What happened to them?

With the exception of Kitching who is like a god.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by sam on 8/18/2010 at 6:07:47 AM
Can't help with Vintage British clothing.
But in America, "Bike" Brand sports clothing is still making what they made in the 1890s when they started.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by Chas on 8/18/2010 at 9:08:12 AM
Belstaff been bought out by Italians. I've seen their trad. style jackets retro'd up and sporting a huge price tag of several hundred pounds, complete with 'made in Italy' label (in a fashion outlet not a cycle shop).

Read the demise here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/features/how-did-an-oldfashioned-british-manufacturer-of-motorbike-clobber-become-the-label-of-choice-for-the-hollywood-set-1859743.html


Chas
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by Keith Body on 8/18/2010 at 9:23:54 AM
Chris, I'll fill in what litle I can remember.

Belstaff made all types of waterproof clothing, a full range for motorcyclists, similar to our outdoor waxed jackets now.
Canex? can't remember.
Carradice tough saddlebags and panniers, also hard wearing jackets.
Cheese was a trade wholesaler supplying retail shops, typically tyres, rims, all Phillips, SA parts, spokes, and much more.
Dudley can't remember.
Dover made 1930's style cycle clothing direct to user.
Dunlop rubberised waterproof.
Lutz Durlacher I knew well, knitted fine wool fabric from best 2 ply wool, on 2 upright commercial knitting machines, and made it up into some of the best
soft wool cycling garments.
Benny Foster I think was more of a promoter
Holdsworthy imported Campagnolo, d'alessandro tubulars, made good value frames (F Grubb, C Butler, and Holdsworth) and had a long list of goods supplied
to the trade.
Ron Kitching I knew well. Imported Cinelli, Vittoria tubulars, Mavic rims (as Milremo) huge book of lines, often not in stock.
Schindler can't remember.
Don Smith made racing clothing and track suits, mostly in rayon.
Waltho another largish general cycle trade wholesaler.
Chambers and C Wren were local retail shops.

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by chris on 8/18/2010 at 4:51:43 PM
Thanks for the reply's. You know, it has been really interesting I buy a big box of old Cycling and Mopeds magazines and old cycling copies from a fellow in Michigan

And leaf thru those faded yellow pages and am carried away to another place and time and these ads, even the ads are special. Ads for Pride and Clarke the scooter and bubble car people They were huge! oh the inventory they must have carried!!! WOW!
Oh Pride and Clarke! What a huge magical wonderland what fun it was I never saw it, only thru the pages of Cycling. If you have been there and seen these places you were lucky indeed. I feel like I missed the show and all I get to see is the program. But what a program!

I got to see Johnny Helms's work those wonderful cartoons so gentle and good those dogs yow! and because of other back issues I was able to find him and speak to him and leave a few words when he passed away.

I was able to mine those fertle magazines and help folks here and other places with help pass it along keep the torch lit. It has been amazing.

All thanks to Clifford and his boxes he took to the jumble. When you go to the flea market or jumble as they say over the pond always bring more money with you that you should because that's where the magic is to be found.

I wanted to get this stuff up here, where it will live on and be discussed. Don't get me wrong the internet is great but still 9/10 ths of all we look for is not gonna be found here but in cliffords boxes
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by Chas on 8/19/2010 at 1:14:03 AM
Chris wrote

If you've ever seen the classic 1966 movie 'Blow Up' there is a scene where David Hemmings drives a Rolls Royce down Stockwell Road where every building is painted red.

All those red buildings are Pride & Clark's premises.
better known as Pride & Shark due to their money making loan's for anyone buying a motorcycle in the 50's or 60's

Chas
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by Matthew on 8/19/2010 at 10:27:38 AM
http://www.belstaff.com/

http://www.carradice.co.uk/

Just the most prominent two of your list.

Matthew - re-search
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by Chris on 8/19/2010 at 6:34:24 PM
What because of Lutz and his equipment? Has he passed on?
Did anybody carry on or did everybody close? Thanks Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by Keith Body on 8/20/2010 at 6:11:24 AM
Chris, I put them all in the past tense, but not really sure. Lutz was a good track racer, rode the Maccabiah (Israel)games about 1956. I know he carried on for a few years, but I expect costs of materials, Italian competition, and redevelopement of the old workshops all played a part. He told me once how he rescued his knitting machines when he saw them being wheeled away by thieves.
Keith
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Cycle Clothing? posted by Chris on 8/22/2010 at 4:21:22 PM
So much of it has been wheeled away, one way or the other ... Thanks for you input!
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AGE / VALUE:   Ernie Chambers posted by: Chris on 8/17/2010 at 5:55:48 PM
Ernie Chambers for Viking, Dawes, Sun, Raleigh

105 London Road
Mitcham,
Walton on the Hill, Tadsworth, Surry
Another dealer what can you tell us?

thanks Keith!

humberchristopher29@hotmail.com
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ernie Chambers posted by Chas on 8/18/2010 at 9:13:55 AM
Tadworth Surrey (my village), not Tadsworth Surry;
have never heard of them! Mitcham is about 10 miles north.

Only one bicycle shop in Tadworth/Walton on the Hill, second or third generation and not C&V friendly at all.

Chas
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AGE / VALUE:   Cyril Wren question for Keith posted by: Chris on 8/17/2010 at 5:47:04 PM

From an Ad in Cycling October 7, 1959

Cyril Wren District agent for Dawes, Falcon, Viking, Carlton,Sun,B.S.A.Hercules,Grubb,Holdsworth,Hopper,C-B and of course, Wren Cycles terms for local ridersat The Clubmans Cycle Shop 78 Richmond Road Kingston- on Thames

Keith, what can you tell us about this fellow and his bikes. There is no page on him giving him his place in Cycling history Will you e- mail Classics rendezvous and urge them to do a write up?

Or post it here? Sounds like he did quite a lot of business and I am fascinated to hear what you can tell me

or us.

I am bothered by the fact that Cyril Wren has no mention really, on the web.

Another place I would like to visit but it's long gone isn't it?

Do you know when he passed on?

Thanks Chris
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cyril Wren question for Keith posted by fred on 9/1/2010 at 10:51:46 AM
Hi
I used to work in this shop of a saturday,which would have been the late 1940's. Cyril's original name was Uren, but it took him a while to get ruynd to changing it!
they did make frames and they were brazed up in the basement on a large steel jig on the wall. As i remember
ther was no ventilation !
in fact I bought a Frejus frame and all the bits and made up a bike this was probably about 1950. All in it cost about £40 a lot of money then.
trust this is of interest.
regards fred
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cyril Wren question for Keith posted by fred on 9/1/2010 at 10:52:12 AM
Hi
I used to work in this shop of a saturday,which would have been the late 1940's. Cyril's original name was Uren, but it took him a while to get ruynd to changing it!
they did make frames and they were brazed up in the basement on a large steel jig on the wall. As i remember
ther was no ventilation !
in fact I bought a Frejus frame and all the bits and made up a bike this was probably about 1950. All in it cost about £40 a lot of money then.
trust this is of interest.
regards fred
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cyril Wren question for Keith posted by fred on 9/1/2010 at 10:53:41 AM
Hi
I used to work in this shop of a saturday,which would have been the late 1940's. Cyril's original name was Uren, but it took him a while to get ruynd to changing it!
they did make frames and they were brazed up in the basement on a large steel jig on the wall. As i remember
ther was no ventilation !
in fact I bought a Frejus frame and all the bits and made up a bike this was probably about 1950. All in it cost about £40 a lot of money then.
trust this is of interest.
regards fred
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cyril Wren question for Keith posted by Chris on 9/1/2010 at 6:15:03 PM
Thanks for your reply. The website "Classics rendezvous" on the web has a section where they are adding new pages and adding to existing pages of makers, names, all the makers and people in each country. It's a great effort but there is so much work to do to make it better. I tend to hang out here but I just want it down somplace, and mentioned someplace and this is as fine a place as any other. I would like to see a page dedicated to Mr. Wren with photos of his bikes, photos of his shop, photos, of the man and a history of him and his bicycles. A real, decent, well written page honouring the man, rich with information for the collector, owners of his bikes, anybody interested in the history. A "lasting monument" on the world wide web. What bothers me about the Classics rendezvous page is that they don't show enough not nearly enough, the articles are too brief so often, it's nothing more than a tease. I want to see that changed.

With every maker, person, company, the products themselves, not just with Cyril Wren.
Or else I would like to assemble something like that here on Oldroads.com Someplace anyways. Before people like yourself are gone.

I would like to invite you to join our group and comment and teach and take us back to these times and places so we have a clearer idea and picture. Speaking of pictures, photographs, Do you have any you can share with us? Is there anything else you can tell us?

I got a whif of vintage bicycles at age 9 and have been a smitten kitten ever since! What about you?

Please take a soap box, get up in the park here and just lecture, teach, tell us your stories and memories about old vintage British bicycles, the rides, the people, places, and things of interest.

This is quite a good group here, it's getting more interesting and informative every day. Please pull up a chair hang out and take the podium!
Yours in Vintage Cycling- Chris
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cyril Wren question for Keith posted by dom on 10/12/2010 at 2:06:19 PM
Hullo, I had a cyril wren, when I was a kid back in the sixties, It was a fantastic frame red with chromed ends and elaborate lugs.. I also had a Jack Hearne, Leach Marathon, F.Grubb, Holdsworth and two Mercians. My favourite was always the C. Wren I wish I had it now, but I sold it for £25 in the late sixties, still dream about it now. Dom
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tire Size posted by: Josh D, on 8/16/2010 at 10:53:39 PM
Greetings. Yesterday I acquired a Western Flyer Coventry. I bought the bike with out tires and I'm cleaning it up to ride around but I have no information on what size tire it needs. I was told it was a 1962 or 63. I'm sure the rim is a 26 but I'm not sure if it's 26 and 1/3 or what. Compared to a mountain bike rim that had 26 and 1.9 the rim on the western flyer was quite thinner but same diameter. Thanks in advance for any information.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tire Size posted by David on 8/17/2010 at 4:56:04 AM
Almost all the common English [non-derailer] bikes use 26 x 1 3/8, which is NOT the same size as 26 x 1.375. The non-ambiguous ISO size is 590, which should be molded on the tire sidewall.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Tire Size posted by Matthew on 8/17/2010 at 10:39:06 AM
We all need to recall that rim size has very little to do with tyre size. Any 26" tyre is 26" rolling diameter; that is the outside diameter of the tyre is 26" the rim size will differ according to the rim type.

Don't get caught out; 26 x 1 1/2 tyres will not fit 26 x 1 3/4 rims nor will 26 x 1.75 fit the same rims.

Check out Sheldon Brown's website for the definitive answer.

Matthew - its an all round problem.
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AGE / VALUE:    Ron McLarty's:The Memory of Running (Book) posted by: Chris on 8/16/2010 at 6:38:26 PM
The book has a picture of a Raleigh bike laying on it's side in the grass under a sky of stars.

Nonetheless, I do not recommend it. Aweful book.

Of all the journeys and places to go on a bike journey, the character takes us off to California to claim his mentally ill sister who has turned up in a morgue.

No thanks! I'm not chasing after Bethany and I don't think you should either.
The book is rather sick, actually.

Run from! "The Memory of Running"
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AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by: Chris on 8/16/2010 at 4:32:57 PM
C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS

History of and what happened to them:

C.J. ADIE Lion works started in 1890 the factory was in Warston Lane in Birmingham, England I believe it was called Lion Works. This does need to be confiirmed but the rest of this is totally accurate as the fellow who e- mailed me this information was briefly a company shareholder and family member of the founder.

Charles J. Adie was a clever entrepreneur who retired to Salcombe and who's grave can be located in the churchyard. Charles J. Adie died in 1918
The early days of the company were known for a wide range of silver plated trinkets and cutlery and the like for which Birmingham, England was so well known. The Assay mark was an Elephant.
Their line of bicycle accessories were a later and highly successful line for many years.

The Flying Scot bicycle, the manufacturer, David Rattray's in Scotland had C.J. Adie and Nephew Co. supply the cycle bells for their cycles due to their excellent and lovely chrome. These bells are highly sought after, and are stamped: The Flying Scot C.J. Adie and Nephew

The bell is a "The Flying Scot accessory" an original one.

When bikes fell from favor in the late 1960's the firm went into bathroom fittings, as fine chromium plate was long one of the company's mainstays . There were customers in Abu Dhabi then.

After Charles J. Adie dies his nephew ran the business until 1944. Nephew's son Roger ran the business from the war until the 1970's. His brother Peter, a qualified solicitor was company secretary. The business folded in 1990

The fellow who e- mailed me this information, commented that he went "round the works as a child" and everybody doffed their cap to the Managing Director who was his family member and that it was Dickensian (Charles Dickens) at that time.
End of part 1 (source one)

Part 2 (source 2)
I recieved an e- mail from the current owners and I was told the following:

The original factory, factory tooling that made the bells, their old, original stock of bells that were produced but not yet sold were all sold, liquidated. the new owners, purchased the Adie name. They had bells manufactured in Germany and they put childrens cartoon characters pictures on the bells and sales were good. This was a different product, the old and all with it, were gone just the name. The Soul is totally different and the chrome, and the sound of the bell all different.

End of part 2.

This about wraps it up. I dearly want to find pictures of the Lion Works, and other photograps. I am disappointed that I could not get this article and some photos of the bells and photos of the other products of this company I wanted all this to be put on "Classics Rendezvous" on the web

but this has not happened and there is no better place then here, on Old Roads.com where this article will live and be commented upon and thus, this work will grow. Our Webmaster, Vin, has created a way to keep every post here always growing and getting better and more detailed as time passes.

In Closing, I would put the Lion Works on my to see and experience list whilst time traveling but that is not possible and apparently it is all long gone.

I do not know exactly what became of the original building if it still stands or not and I hope somebody reading this can comment, post current pictures, and if anybody worked there or has knowledge of C.J. Adie and Nephew or if you sold their products we would love to hear about it here.
The name alone, "Lion works" A thing to fight for, preserve and prevent from being sold off.

Phillips had a factory "Britannia Works" another thing
we never should have lost.

Things like this, are woven into the fabric of the British flag itself.
humberchristopher29@hotmail.com
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by Matthew on 8/17/2010 at 10:54:12 AM
C.J. ADIE & NEPHEW
Birmingham
c- 1902. Possibly the firm is active as C.J. Adie & Nephew Ltd at Pembroke House, 7 Brunswick Sq, Bristol

From http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilver.html

Matthew - a little research can be an interesting thing
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by Keith Body on 8/24/2010 at 1:42:56 PM
Chris and Matthew, I used to know Brunswick Square, looked on Google Earth and barely recognised it.
Pembroke House, 7 Brunswick Square BS2 8PE appears to be let as multiple offices. I think the ground floor houses a limited company registration specialist, so the name is registered there. I suspect a dormant company, but it's easy to look up latest accounts, but needs a small fee.
Keith
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by Chris on 8/26/2010 at 10:38:04 AM
thanks Keith!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by s.oldham on 11/4/2011 at 7:50:57 AM
found one of these bells at car boot its a micky mouse made in uk looks 1950s\1960s in good order with nice ring made cj a nephew any info?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by chris on 11/5/2011 at 9:19:23 AM
go to c.j. adie and nephew on flickr
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by Chris on 11/5/2011 at 9:27:58 AM
LOOK UNDER under c.j. adie and nephew and Lion works Hockley

THE FOLLOWING PLACE IS WHERE IN THE FUTURE!! the vintage bicycle history WILL be written. On Flickr with the pictures of the factories, the workers and the innovative influential people who made it happen this is where it will be showcased for putting the history straight. The contributions of the local people will be able to add their thoughts and post rememberances, it is more stable and more mainstream it won't get bought out and cancelled. FLICKR IS JUST THE BEST PLACE TO WRITE AND DOCUMENT THE HISTORY OF VINTAGE BICYCLES.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by mark on 11/5/2011 at 12:37:00 PM
...and speaking of Adie bells [Chris or anyone] was the 2" Adie bell named by some as "ping" --it has a "bike racer" on the decorative medallion--really used on/for English bikes back in the day? ... and when were Adie bells used as opposed to Raleigh or Phillips branded? Were they aftermarket add-ons back then? thanx.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS posted by Chris on 11/6/2011 at 10:07:27 AM
They were just as common as the Lucas and Miller and all the rest of the bell makers. Adie would stamp makers and shop address and do custom stamping. Aftermarket add ons? They were respected enough to be on the bike from factory My guess is that they undercut orthers on price as well to help them be so widespread there are many out there and under all sorts of names images and patterns there were a great deal of many makers in varoius countries The Germans made a lot of bicycle bells
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AGE / VALUE:   What is it and how old is it? posted by: Shon on 8/8/2010 at 3:34:11 PM
I was just given these two bikes and was wondering what they were and what years they were. I'd be interested in a value but it's not really an issue as I dont plan to sell them anyway. I'll probably make them road worthy and hang them in my shop. The ladies bike is a Raleigh and the black on is a Schwinn (it says WORLD on the top tube)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/misterskin2000/1.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/misterskin2000/2.jpg
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is it and how old is it? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/9/2010 at 2:40:58 AM
The mixte-frame (I.D.'d as a Raleigh) is probaly a "Capri".... as to the Schwinn... I couldn't venture a guess... a little research on how it's equipped might yield better results.

Nice machines.... as to Value? Hard to state as the images are a bit small to properly glean condition / originality. Get them up and running, they'll both make nice riders for certain!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Mixte-emotions on mixte frames personally.....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is it and how old is it? posted by Shon on 8/9/2010 at 8:06:33 AM
Thanks. The Raleigh is actually in pretty nice condition. Stickers/paint are good...just needs tires/tubes and a new chain.

would you say early 80's???

thanks for the response
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is it and how old is it? posted by Steve on 8/9/2010 at 5:11:31 PM
The English Raleigh mixte frame (similar to your photo) around in the early 80's was known as a Raleigh Wisp, there was also a Raleigh Misty (mixte frame) but I think this came with straight bars as opposed to dropped, I think they came with five speed derailleur gears as standard.
I have a Misty here, 22" frame, 27 x 1 1/4" tyres, it's a nice bike....and fairly light.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is it and how old is it? posted by Jim on 8/14/2010 at 6:54:46 PM
I have a Railigh Braodwalk non folding bike that is in super shape #8088huffyb6425. What is it, and is it worth anything to a collector? Who would like a bike like this?
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MISC:   Blatant self promotion posted by: Matthew on 8/8/2010 at 12:05:58 AM
Hi Folks,

Well in about 23 days I will be pedalling my Dunelt delivery bike the 400 miles (or thereabouts) from Holyhead on the Isle of Anglesey (Ynys Mor) to Lowestoft in Suffolk. That is west to east across the fat bit of the UK.

This is not just a jolly jape with me gadding about along back roads but it is s serious fund raising venture to garner funds for the Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI).

Here in the UK coastal lifesaving is left to the RNLI with NO government funding. The RNLI is a world leader in life rescue at sea. http://www.rnli.org.uk/

A typical lifeboat launch costs in the region of £4000 sterling. ALL lifeboat crews are volunteers; they ARE NOT paid. Crew members come from all walks of life.

If you feel so disposed you can help me in my efforts to raise funds. You may donate on line at;
http://www.justgiving.com/Matthew-Hodder-The-Big-Push

Or if you want to send funds to me then let me know and we can sort something out.

Thank you for your patience in reading this and thanks to Vin for hosting this board and putting up with me for so many years!

Matthew - seriously.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman query posted by: mark on 8/7/2010 at 1:51:31 PM
Was just curious since i acquired a rather nice ladies maroon Norman..53-7 hub date with warriors on chain ring...wondering if Norman bicycles were changed at all AFTER TI/BCC bought them in 1953-54? This would be prior to the Raleigh post-1960 stuff of course. i haven't found exact TI/BCC takeover dates for the 50's smaller marques. this bike also has a white plastic, or bakelite? frame pump stamped Norman in faded letters, brand of pump is Brittania
--it does puff a little air but not much...were these pumps common? other pumps i have seen reference to seem to be metal. this bike has NO western auto markings. altho i am a gent i am going to ride this one anyway! :)
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman query posted by Keith Body on 8/7/2010 at 2:35:00 PM
Mark, Companies like Norman with smaller production could not compete, most likely when existing stock was sold the Norman was actually a Phillips.
UK Pumps were mostly plastic at that time, previously celluloid. If you unscrew the end cap under the handle you can lubricate the washer with a little light grease, probably it's leather. We used to sell pump washers, some pumps had rubber washers which were useless. Put your finger over the end where the connection fits and pump up a little pressure to get the washer working.
I had direct purchase accounts with Bluemels and Britannia.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman query posted by Chris on 8/9/2010 at 4:53:38 PM
I feel ther same way, I love em so much I would ride it anyways even if it is a ladies frame. I love the chainrings on these bikes!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman query posted by mark on 8/10/2010 at 2:39:18 PM
and odd that Norman chose to use the "extra-chunky" hockey stick chain guard thus obscuring much of the chain ring.
Maybe i will display the above item in my work area and use one that shows off the chain ring better
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman query posted by mark on 9/7/2010 at 6:26:24 PM
Sirs- Mark again--so i took apart the 53 Norman headset and both races seem to be missing balls--but the correct number in each set looks to be [1/8"] x 30! Could this be right? I see in the archives informative postings about Phillips but these said 25 also. And there's a beautiful lock ring that says "B. Hampton," "Made in England," and has three numbers "10" "52" and something else [wonder what these signify?]. These small parts are part of what makes these bikes so interesting. My theory is this is a "Norman-Norman" perhaps barely before BCC/Phillips? Anyhow i will post a pic sometime.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman query posted by Keith Body on 9/9/2010 at 2:39:13 PM
Mark, Brampton is the name. Suggests it is pre Phillips. 30 sounds about right, a little grease to hold the balls, just fill it up and leave about 1 ball space.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Norman query posted by Chris on 9/9/2010 at 6:45:49 PM
And what beautiful smooth headsets they are too
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AGE / VALUE:   McRudge posted by: Chas on 8/4/2010 at 9:44:45 AM
Two sweet Rudge's on ebay for anyone north of the Border

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   McRudge posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/8/2010 at 4:32:29 AM
LOL.... and after looking into them... not north of the Mason-Dixon line, most assuredly.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Damnable Yank..... ;-)
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AGE / VALUE:   Children's Dunelt Cruiser posted by: Kait on 8/1/2010 at 12:42:08 PM
I just bought a Dunelt children's cruiser at a local flea market. I've been searching all over to see if I can get a value on it before I start tinkering with it. It is blue and has a couple of Made in England Stickers along with the Dunelt metal tag on the front. All parts are original but it needs a lot of work.

The frame serial number is 28964 A

Anyone have any idea where I can get more info on this bike and where I can find replacement parts?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Children's Dunelt Cruiser posted by David on 8/2/2010 at 7:03:22 AM
Kid's bike won't have a lot of collector interest unless it is real rare or significant, which I don't think the Dunelt is. I'd guess many of its fasteners will be BSC thread, which is not so easy to find and any missing parts will be nearly impossible to find, thanks to the small size.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Children's Dunelt Cruiser posted by Matthew on 8/3/2010 at 11:50:54 AM
Take a look at the Dunelt Bicycle group on Flickr.com

Matthew - its a brummy thing
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Children's Dunelt Cruiser posted by Matthew on 8/3/2010 at 1:39:56 PM
http://www.flickr.com/groups/1386644@N25/

It's the missing link.

Matthew - knee and a towel
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Children's Dunelt Cruiser posted by Chris on 8/3/2010 at 4:14:38 PM
What we do is find other bikes that have the same parts and swap parts off the doner bike to what you are wanting to rebuild and tires are available still at any bike shop and there is e- bay where you cand find parts to buy and have sent to your door.

what parts are you needing? can you post a picturee here of this bike?
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh's 'Sir Walter' logo posted by: Chas on 8/1/2010 at 9:35:54 AM
Can somebody tell me when exactly Raleigh adopted/dropped the Sir Walter logo or if it pre-dates the Heron?

I picked up a nice brooks B33 saddle as a 50th birthday present to myself and the logo is embossed on the seat,
from the brooks tin/plastic badge I'm thinking post 1960 date.

Chas


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