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AGE / VALUE:   Found some nice roadsters posted by: Erik on 1/23/2010 at 9:08:22 AM
Ok, guys I can't afford them at the moment so I will pass the info on to you there is a men's and women's set of Raliegh tourist roadsters. they have full chaincases, 28" wheels, Nice brooks saddles, no rusting, few if any paint chips or scratches. The owner wants $1000 for the pair or $600 each.

They are in FANTASTIC condition, look new to me. I think you could talk the guy down though.

They are in Lawrence, Kansas at a used bike shop called the Re-Cyclery. If anyone is interested I can go down to the shop and try to learn more about it for you.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found some nice roadsters posted by Patrick on 1/23/2010 at 10:17:07 AM
He's asking at least 3 times what they are worth. Do some research,you'll see they're quite common and not at all valuable.

Pat
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found some nice roadsters posted by Erik on 1/23/2010 at 9:23:47 PM
Yeah, I agree it is expensive. However, I have never seen any in as good a condition as these. I think the price is negotiable. I laughed at him when he told me how much he wanted. He is overpriced on everything he has so when he goes out of business, if he has not sold the mens DL-1 I maybe able to help liquidate his stock.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found some nice roadsters posted by Kevin on 1/24/2010 at 5:23:36 PM
Erik -- There are, indeed, some Raleigh Tourists that are worth good money, and they aren't especially common in this country. The 26-inch bikes are far, far more common. Most of the lower-priced Tourists are in rough shape, with bad chrome, cheap saddles and worn paint. This one is in great shape, with a full chaincase. It may not be worth $600, but that price certainly isn't "at least three times" what it is worth. He could probably get $300 for it without much effort.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found some nice roadsters posted by Corey K on 1/25/2010 at 11:18:05 AM
If the woman's bike were to be had for under $500, and the men's for around $500, and the condition is as you state, they would be considered *very good deals* for these parts (Santa Cruz-San Francisco Bay Area). As soon as tax refund season comes, they'd probably sell for $1k pretty easily.

It's hard to find a rod-brake English bike around here in any shape for under $200, regardless of condition.

Corey
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found some nice roadsters posted by Chris on 2/3/2010 at 6:56:04 PM
This is a case of clashing time periods the era before e- bay and today

Certainly we don't want to pay this type of money and with e- bay perhaps we don't have to. perhaps you know how to find these better than most.


I was not in the habit of buying my Tourists from shops I found them myself by going to 38 garage sales in one day every day thursday, friday, saturday and sunday and all time in between but there were exceptions.
He called, my one shop owning friend

"Don't want to hear any crap, I can get anybody to pay what I am asking we both know the game I called you first because I know how much you love these"
and I was the "house Raleigh bicycle kook" a title I had worked hard to earn.

Yes there it was and everybody stood around it mesmerized all the folks who stopped in for Kona and Jamis and other stuff. "Get this bewitching thing out of my shop, it is creaping me out"

Don the distributor jobber friend who was in to sell the shop their inventory who had gone to Raleigh's trade dinners in the past was there intranced with a smile on his face it's a nice one, we sold these, did well, owe a lot to Raleigh He grins at me

Chris, this one is unmolested there was a crowd around the bike Don, I'm running to the bank!! I'll make sure he holds it for you

I flew.
Money being held at the shops was a common tactic of miine to have it held or bought and held sometiomes they got sticky about buying something good the really good stuff the customer wanted more than what they wanted to give for it

I had to educate, lecture, ask for and battle ignorance on the part of the shops and shop employees Tghis is why I want this why you will pay this much I will offer your so much for it and hammer out a deal. I tore out my hair.

They didn't listen and were ignorant and had no idea a simple little bicycle an old piece of junk held so much mojo and magic.

Here is the money, you pay so much you call me just do it dammit! don't argue get all they have. Don't buy pizza with my bike money on a slow day- get permission before I buy ribs, pizza or beer. Bikes not the gentlemans clubs with b- grade dancers keep it ready for when they come in the shop with it covered in cobwebs I had to establish a network and maintain it they grin at me mouths smeared with barbecue sauce we got you a pair of Sports a pair of D.L.1'S and we gave her so much for them thanks for lunch.. You buy old bikes said the new employee yea this is Chris he is the shops resident Raleigh nut. I lean over school him on what to do when the customer comes in. I did this with many, many shops.

You only call me!

People were kept out too. basements closed, back rooms oh there is nothing in there by order of Chris I locked horns with shop owners and suppliers as well.
I had cash stashed in his shop proir to the bikes arrival and I had to go get more I laid the bills on the workbench the two cases of Tsing Tao beer and with my heart beating in delight I laid hands on the bike and took it home.
overall
Well, having sold these for $1000. for the mens and $600.00 for a ladies bike and having seen others sell these for 1000.00 as well before e- bay was a reality. This is just what the seller wants or what he has already gotten away with or wants to get away with.

If it is an older model with vintage lights, Vintage bells, leather Brooks pannier boxes or vintage leather Brooks bags, does it have leather mudflaps?

good chrome? does the bike draw the customers like I have remembered then yes, this is not outrageous.

I prefer to buy at 100.00 a bike and buy all 17 of them until the seller gets smart and bans me from the place

he died and I got the rest of them. it was there covered in cobwebs 50 years of the dust I ask the guy so how did you hear of Warden? "Chris, he's dead."

Some people didn't care to collect the stuff and fall under the spell like I had but....... some pals did Don't take it personally, and you're a good friend but you are competition a wolf in my shop and we bared our teeth at each other, growled and laughed still we were and are friends. He hunted like I did.

There is the common stuff and it goes up from there the older, rarer, more tricked out with goodies, stainless steel spokes, colors until they don't let you even see or touch it when you get into the museaum, not for sale, section of the stash thats what you really want.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found some nice roadsters posted by Chris on 2/3/2010 at 7:46:24 PM
I would be out hunting these and the shop would have called and I'd have to stop what I was doing or reroute my plans to go to the shop who wanted me there like immediately They listed and I taught em. Thank God so many of these folks were not collectors themselves!

It was a more calm affair already there, conqured and captured by a fellow comrade already haggled and bought theyd stick me a bit more and it was mine was already mine. they just interupted my day because they needed the space for an incoming order I got then to hang them upstairs. I met people in the shops, intercepted them in the parking lot before it ever got into the shop and bought directly from the customers themselves and went and saw the garages, barns, stashes, junk piles.
For a hunter to go into a supermarket where there is no thrill just go in a buy it was not as exciting until you see the bike. You never know what it was going to be what condition and with what on it.

remember, many folks just quietly went in and bought the tubes and tires and did their own work themselves the shops never saw it, never got to repair it, and thus I was never called. often just a referral a phone number and often it was already sold when I got there.

These may already have been sold at the sellers price before I have written this.

A ladies frame sells for less it is the mans model that gets the higher price this is a sexist thing sorry but it's true.

But the ladies loop frame rod brake bikes are an experience not to be missed so you will see me on a ladies frame bike grinning like a fool. "Um that's a girls bike!"

"Yes!! ever ride one?" "No, it's a girls bike would not be caught dead on one."

Come ride it! No! really! I sold these for $450.00
he bought it!
wife thought it was for her and appropriated it and he wanted another one but now, it does have to be a gents model.

This one gal didn't want to talk, wrinkled her nose, cold, aloof and with an attitude actually a normal attitude for a pretty gal, an attitude they have to take I guess.

I want the bike, only want to talk to you about your bike, here!
a wad of bills in my hand. She sees the cash and stops giving me the finger, sneers, You're weird! you want this old thing? sure!
She got off the bike, yes! handed me the handlebars assumed my little card with my number on it was me trying to get her to call me and it surely got thrown away as I never heard from her again. I sold it! at a profit!

Get the finger, give it back, be creative! sure, she gets out of the car runs up, attacks my car with her shoe telling me "what I am not going to do with her!" and when she is finished I roll down the window introduce myself I dub her "the finger lady" and we became good friends she's smiling at me and giving me the finger all the time but it became pleasant and playful but I nipped it before it fulfilled itself a little too far. Rich, married parent with kids in the same school. She was boored. I got the finger 6 or 8 times for just trying to drop the kid off at school and getting the Acura up to the kerb with all the other mothers in Mercedes angry at a guy doing the mom thing. Patience and letting somebody else drop off their kid was not a thing they liked to do they flipped off the other mothers there too. Oh, good school but snobby!
Yes, the oportunity to mess around (whore around) was there, people were boored rich and boored. I didn't
get into mischiff just want to buy your bikes, antiques and the snap on tools belonging the at work husband who came home from lunch and stopped me.

Who goes to an estate sale with swim trunks? You don't need them she says! I ran down the driveway. Sorry, I have other places I have to go to. You're nice very sweet but ah, no.

You never know who else may come up the driveway!
My adventures chasing the old bikes kept me out of so much mischiff
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Original Equipment on '61 Raleigh Superbe posted by: Ron Miska on 1/22/2010 at 8:11:07 PM
Several months ago I purchased and resurrected a well used but well cared for 1961 Raleigh Superbe roadster (4 speed FG Dynohub w/front and rear lights, 28" Dunlop stainless steel rims, locking front fork, rod brakes, chaincase, etc.)I have several questions about it and its care:
1. It came with a very comfortable, rubber Dunlop seat that looks very much like a Brooks leather seat. It's in great shape and has a patina consistent with the bike's age, but is it original equipment?
2. Same question for the pump. It's black plastic and shows wear consistent with the bike's age. It says "Made in France" at the very top. If it's not original, who would have made the original pump that came with the bike? Raleigh? Bluemels?
3. As is typical with bikes of that age, some of the chrome has worn off in many tiny spots along the handlebars, rod brakes, clips that hold cables to the frame etc. I cleaned off the rust with fine non-metallic abrasive and waxed those parts. Is there a better way to keep the rust from reappearing?

By the way, for those of you who have a locking front fork but don't have a key, I have a source for them.

Thanks very much for your help.
Ron
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Original Equipment on '61 Raleigh Superbe posted by nat on 1/27/2010 at 9:34:15 PM
hmm I've a dunlop seat on my 51 raleigh - I don't think it's contemporary to the bike though it's a fine piece of rubber - a brooks b72 shape but with three coil springs
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Original Equipment on '61 Raleigh Superbe posted by Geoff Rogers on 2/1/2010 at 1:12:04 PM
Ron,
Nothing on a Raleigh in those days would have been made in France, or anywhere else except for Nottingham. They made most of it in-house. The pumps were made, I think, by Bluemels, and were typically plastic, the same color as the bike, and with a Sir Walter insignia, and often "R-I" for Raleigh Industries. I have a spare red one here, but that's no good for a green cycle!
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Original Equipment on '61 Raleigh Superbe posted by Ron Miska on 3/2/2010 at 7:16:46 AM
Geoff:

Thanks for your reply. If you ever find a green one, let me know!

Ron
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MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by: Mark on 1/20/2010 at 7:14:41 AM
Hi All - Happy New Year! In cleaning up the 1956 Standard Model K I posted about a couple of months ago, I discovered that under the accumulated dirt the bike was equipped with a Brampton branded headset (I believe a floating type, where the races are separate from the cups in the head tube), and the bottom bracket adjustable cup is also marked Brampton, Made in England. Can anyone tell me more about this company? Are these considered higher or lower quality components?

Thanks,
Mark
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           RE:MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Keith Body on 1/20/2010 at 3:53:07 PM
Hi Mark
Brampton were a largish component maker, better than many, making cast and pressed lug sets, pedals, hubs, chains chainwheel/crank sets, as well as bearings. The headset you have is one of the cheapest made, but serviceable, with 1/8 inch bearings very common on UK manufactured bikes. Apart from raleigh, most uk utility bikes had this type of head bearing.

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           RE:MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Mark on 1/20/2010 at 6:07:43 PM
Thanks Keith - I found out the hard way that the bearings are 1/8 inch (even knowing they'd be loose.....ooops).


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           Standard Model K - was  Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Mark on 1/22/2010 at 9:01:37 AM
I had previously promised to post pictures of the bike once cleaned up a bit - here are a couple of photos.....I'm very pleased overall, but sorely tempted to strip it down completely and repaint/re-pinstripe. I found a place to reproduce the decals, so part of me wants a completely restored to "as new" bike, and part wants to leave it with the patina it currently has....thoughts?


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           Standard Model K - was Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Mark on 1/22/2010 at 9:02:30 AM
Another view


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           Standard Model K - was Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Mark on 1/22/2010 at 9:04:28 AM
And finally


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           RE:MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Warren on 1/22/2010 at 1:38:28 PM
It's too nice to repaint. It will lose it's value and charm and years later when the new paint smell and shine are gone you will wish you had left it original.
I've learned the hard way to only paint bikes that are so far gone as to be unrecognizable and to prevent further corrosion. Or if it's a worthless piece of junk anyway and your daughter wants it pink.

Polish up the chrome bits, touch up any bad blemishes, wax it and ride it.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Chris on 1/24/2010 at 6:13:32 PM
Well Keith, everything you said is exactly true but the headsets last forever and I am really fond of Bramptom's stuff I delight in finding bikes with their Brampton parts like their headsets on a bike.

the thread pitch is 24 t.p.i. and with some looking on e- bay you can find a new never used or installed replacement set and with new grease and a proper set up the bike will ride like new.
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           RE:MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Keith Body on 1/25/2010 at 12:43:47 PM
Hi Chris, Just as I thought I could forget all this, another trip down memory lane. 30 balls top and bottom, with a little grease to retain them. You could get away with 26, some cheap bikes used curved spacers between the balls. A length of 1 1/8 tubing cut from a wreck, to tap down the race on the fork crown. slide the other bottom race upwards over the fork column and turn the fork upright. With the top screwed race and the insert race placed on the top head lug, insert the forks and screw down the top race. Tabbed washer, lamp bracket etc., and apply the top lock nut. Final adjustment and tightening when the reassembly is complete. In the 1950's we sold the insert races for 4 pence each, An average workman would have take home pay about 400 times 4 pence.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Lance on 3/24/2011 at 3:22:27 PM
Hello there... I just got a super old bike frame I think 40s or 50s... and it came with 3 parts of a brampton headset... it looks almost like an integrated headset but I have NO idea where to get the remaining parts and does this kind of headset have a special name... all I have is the top and bottom cut that sit in the flanged out part of the headtube and I think race... its a bit different shape to the other 2 pieces.... Plz help!


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           RE:MISC:   Brampton Headsets and Bottom Brackets posted by Keith Body on 3/25/2011 at 11:33:18 AM
These headsets were used on almost all british utility bikes except raleigh. So BSA, Phillips, Hercules and many others. Not too accurately made, but virtually interchangeable, and 1/8 inch balls. Hope this helps a little.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   PAGING BONEMAN posted by: JS on 1/20/2010 at 1:47:14 AM
Larry-

Just posted something you're going to want to see.

-JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org

"If you're one in a million, there ar 1300 just like you in China"
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   PAGING BONEMAN posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/21/2010 at 8:38:56 PM
Wow... simply awesome.

Just wondering... has anyone here seen these style propstands in their area? I can't say as I had ever seen one prior to Jeff bringing them to light a few months back.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Might have to start cobbling myself one...
Dingmans Ferry, PA, USA
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for JS or others in the know posted by: Erik on 1/20/2010 at 12:08:29 AM
I was looking at Rideable Bicycle Replicas Old English roadster and can't figure out who makes it. I called the place and only got "It was made in China." Apparently they don't know who made it. So the question is who did? It does not have a Raleigh Style fork crown, seems to no have a headtube badge or any other markings that would give a clue as to who made it.

My eyes are not well trained to know Chinese roadsters but I think it is not a Flying Pigeon. Maybe a Forever?

Any way here is the link if anyone wants to look and guess
http://www.hiwheel.com/antique_replicas/gent_roadster.htm
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for JS or others in the know posted by JS on 1/20/2010 at 1:42:45 AM
Trust me...it's Indian. The seat is a dead give away.

Not a Flying Pigeon, or Forever, Hong Qi

If you want to see more about Chinese and Indian Roadsters, just check out my blog:

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org

-JS
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for JS or others in the know posted by Erik on 1/20/2010 at 1:24:36 PM
Thanks, I should have considered the seat more carefully. I have never seen a seat like that on a Chinese roadster.

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for JS or others in the know posted by Corey K on 1/22/2010 at 6:47:28 PM
I too have spoken to them about that bike (they're about 1.5 hours drive from me). They say it's Chinese, but it looks Indian to me, too. That fork crown looks like a 50s-60s Phillips. I'd be curious to see if the chainwheel is imprinted with Hercules or Phillips, myself. The Flying Pigeons and Phoenixes I've seen in person all had the Raleigh-type tubular crown.
Next time I'm in Alameda, I'll try to check in on it and report back.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for JS or others in the know posted by Corey K on 1/22/2010 at 10:41:41 PM
I just went on the Phoenix Bicycle web page, and they show a bike nearly identical to the one on the Rideable Replicas page. Perhaps those folks are putting Indian hairpin saddles on Chinese bikes?

http://www.phoenix-bicycle.com/phoenixie/page/showProduct.asp?id=109
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for JS or others in the know posted by Erik on 1/23/2010 at 9:08:07 AM
Thanks Corey, if you could find out what they are that would be awesome. The thing is, there are so many people making roadsters in India and China that, I don't think we will ever be able to tell who made these bikes without seeing them in person. Their photos are just to vague.

I would be excited to learn that these are something other than the ubiquitous pigeon, which I think we have established. The guy I talked who claimed these bikes are made in china actually went to the warehouse and read what was on the box the bike came in. The problem with that story is I can't believe that a company would not put their branding on the box their product comes in. Or maybe it is but he can't read Chinese but, that begs the question why would made in china be on the box in English but not the brand.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for JS or others in the know posted by JS on 1/26/2010 at 7:03:07 AM
Erik-

Well, maybe it IS from China, but the seat is from India? Again, I have only seen that seat style once in China...and it was on an Indian bike.

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org/2009/09/lhasa-roadsters-part-2-humber.html

If the bike were really a Phoenix it would have the Bird emblazoned all over it. You can see that logo from a mile away, but I don't see it on the Replica bike.

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org/2009/08/shanghai-phoenix-feng-huang.html

Plenty of Chinese bikes have a box crown..or a tubular crown. In India both are available as well so not a strong indication.

The bike does not have a package rack, which is a bit odd. All Chinese bikes have them.

It does have a chaincase which sorta makes the argument for China, but what makes me most suspicious that it is not from China is the price: $229. A single bar 28" FP goes for $300 stateside.

But like you said, it's all a bit of guess work though because you can't see much in these photos. Can you ask them if they have some higher definition photos they can send you?

-JS

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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   chain link posted by: nat on 1/18/2010 at 7:18:04 PM
Good afternoon good people,

Broke a chain link on the 1951 Raleigh DL-1 would appreciate any advice on sourcing new link / chain.

Nat
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   chain link posted by jj on 1/19/2010 at 4:38:01 AM
It takes a standard single speed (BMX) chain. Basically there are 2 kinds of chains: the above mentioned, and a derailleur chain.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   chain link posted by C on 1/19/2010 at 7:16:20 PM
1/2 x 1/8th chain is 3 speed or b.m.x chain

this is what your bikes uses is 1/2 x 1 8th chain

good luck let us know when you fix it hris
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1977 Raleigh Sports posted by: Jerry on 1/18/2010 at 9:03:21 AM
Just recently purchased a 1977 Raleigh Sports. It is in very good condition, but I was wondering how this year model compared to all the other Raleighs. Was the quality still there when this one was built? Just wondering. Any comments would be welcomed.
Thanks
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1977 Raleigh Sports posted by David on 1/18/2010 at 9:41:27 AM
Look for some of the features from earlier years such as 32/40 spoking, brazed-on chainguard mounts, brake cables anchored by ball ends rather than bolts, single bolt mounting on brake levers, B72 saddle, alloy kickstand, rebuildable wide ("gents'") pedals, heavy (rather than wire) fender stays. (There must be lots more) Almost all of those features got dropped over the years for economy's sake. The more you have the better.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1977 Raleigh Sports posted by Matthew on 1/18/2010 at 11:40:39 AM
In the UK features from earlier years such as 32/40 spoking, brazed-on chainguard mounts, brake cables anchored by ball ends rather than bolts, B72 saddle, alloy kickstand, re-buildable wide ("gents'") pedals, heavy (rather than wire) fender stays, had all dsiappeared by 1977. Few such features made it into the 1970s at all and certainly by Jubilee Year they had gone. I have owned a '75 Twenty (from new) a '77 Triumph Trafficmaster and an '81 Tourist; none of them were so equiped.

Matthew - '1st floor - quality control; going down.'
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brooks saddles posted by: Bruce on 1/17/2010 at 6:42:05 AM
Because spring is just around the corner, I am in the process of detailing my bicycles. The problem is this; I have a B72 vintage 1960's, and a B66 vintage 1950's that are full of some kind of oily dirt. I have made several attempts to clean them using a mild solution of soap and warm water, which lifts a lot of dirt out of the surface, but they aren't good enough to be called clean yet. I am afraid if I go too far with soap and water I might degrade the otherwise perfectly good leather. Does anyone have a solution(ha) for safely cleaning an older leather saddle? Thanks.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brooks saddles posted by David on 1/17/2010 at 9:52:59 AM
I'd use saddle soap and dry them promptly afterwards. They may have been "treated" with some unspeakable goop that has collected the dust and will not come off at all, though. There are plenty of old-wive's tales regarding leather saddles that are very bad advice - but who knows what has happened to a saddle over its lifetime?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brooks saddles posted by Joe on 1/18/2010 at 4:35:03 AM
I've seen leather saddles coated with everything from lanolin to vasoline over the years. None of these ideas really worked as far as I could tell, they all just made a mess.

I had a buddy as a kid who's dad used to put something meant for baseball gloves on leather saddles too.

I don't think I'd put anything on the leather that wasn't made for it.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   carpe diem 41F in Spfld posted by: SpfldKen on 1/16/2010 at 10:21:20 AM
Wow-It's like spring (forget the winter mix coming tonite). Took the Dunelt Roadster out for a spin, dodging ice spots and melt puddles. What a nice morning!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   carpe diem 41F in Spfld posted by Matthew on 1/16/2010 at 10:35:52 AM
Hi Ken,

It is lousy wet and cold here in East Anglia. Roll on dry weather of any sort.

Matthew - time for some blues
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   carpe diem 41F in Spfld posted by Matthew on 1/17/2010 at 9:46:16 AM
Springlike weather arrived here today; a joy to behold.

Matthew - looking on the bright side
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SUPERBE ROAD OR CLUB posted by: Wayne Gillies on 1/15/2010 at 2:20:40 PM
new member - Dobie - Raleigh superbe Club bike
by dobie on Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:23 am

I am Wayne Gillies, residing in Nova Scotia, Canada. I collect Canadian CCMs; early wood rim bikes and baloon tire bikes. Up to now I have stayed away from road bikes but now have one I like. I recently bought 5 bikes from an antique dealer, one of which is a 3 speed Raleigh Superbe road bike? club bike?.This bike intrigues me; I will clean it, tune it & keep it in my collection. It is probably 1958 because the front and rear SA hubs are marked so, the rear hub is a Model SW (only made for a year, as I have read). The serial # appears to be 55033 with the letters RC under the numerals. Nottingham headbadge. It has a Brooks 15 saddle. The paint is a grayish green and is rubbed through to black enamel on the X bar; on the black is a small Raleigh decal, which would appear to be original. Might the green colour be overpainted at factory?. Also info as to what the bike is actually called.I looked at the Raleigh 1958 catalog on Retroraleighs and this bike is the same configuration as the Trent Sports but it is clearly marked Superbe on the seat tube? Would this have been a previous owners modification or could it have come form the factory with downturn handlebars, OR did the Trent use the Superbe frame? Any info will be helpful. I'll be able to send add'l pics if you contact me at bmwchev@msn.com


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SUPERBE ROAD OR CLUB posted by Matthew on 1/16/2010 at 10:43:00 AM
Hi Wayne,

The link doesn't work and your photo is private on Flickr so I couldn't see it even when I signed in. However if the frame says Superbe then that is what your bicycle is. I cannot imagine Raleigh overpainting any frames, they could always sell what they built so why repaint? I had a Superbe with black (dark) undercoat underneath the green top coat. Up turned handlebars are a later thought by an owner. Look how many racers were fitted with cow horn handlebars in the 1970s.

Matthew - searching for the facts.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SUPERBE ROAD OR CLUB posted by David on 1/17/2010 at 9:58:19 AM
The B15 saddle is incongruous; a B72 or B66 would have been standard. Are the bars simply North Road bend bars that have been inverted? Or are they racing-style drop bars? Does anyone know what year the Superbe changed from roadster geometry to "Sports" geometry?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RALEIGH SUPERBE ROAD OR CLUB posted by Warren on 1/17/2010 at 4:49:31 PM
I have the same bike as Wayne...here's a pic of the frame.

http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_2.jpg

As he describes, it's odd green/gray enamel over black. Mine came with EA1 wheels, Raleigh drop bars, and a '58 AW. Note the right fork lamp bracket for a British market. A Superbe club bike it appears. It's a coincidence that Wayne lives just a couple of hours drive from here since mine originally came from Toronto.

Here's two similar and funky Superbes in original blue!

http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_3.jpg

Same period, chrome fork tips but no fork lamp brackets, North Road bars and the same unusual decals.
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AGE / VALUE:   NOS 1972 Raleigh DL1 Roadster posted by: Heath Braunstein on 1/15/2010 at 2:33:55 PM
I just picked up perhaps the nicest bike I have ever seen - a NOS 1972 (date code 72 5) Raleigh DL1 Roadster. Bike is perfect and appears to have never been ridden! Not a spec of rust, new Brooks B127 saddle, New Raleigh Record 28x1.5" tires, original metal stem tubes with nuts, rod brakes, all original paint, decals, etc, etc - Believe previous owner acquired from an old bike shop going out of business.
Any way, just wondering what she might be worth?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS 1972 Raleigh DL1 Roadster posted by Waren on 1/15/2010 at 8:20:34 PM
Perfect never ridden could get you $600...or half of that because the auction market is officially soft,
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS 1972 Raleigh DL1 Roadster posted by Heath Braunstein on 1/17/2010 at 1:56:23 PM
Here are some pics - what do you think?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS 1972 Raleigh DL1 Roadster posted by heath braunstein on 1/17/2010 at 1:57:28 PM
More pics


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS 1972 Raleigh DL1 Roadster posted by Corey K on 1/17/2010 at 2:16:22 PM
That is amazingly clean. Where did you pick it up?

Corey K
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AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by: JS on 1/13/2010 at 9:33:32 PM
Gents-

Just posted some pics to my blog of a nice English made Phillips which you Anglo-cylco-philes might appreciate.

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org

-JS
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by Corey K on 1/16/2010 at 12:23:18 PM
Very interesting bike. This is the first time I've seen a chainguard of that configuration. I have a 1957 Roadster here right now; it has a different fork crown supposedly made for Dunelt bikes.
(of the type shown in the 1960 Philips spares catalog)

Did you get a chance to speak with the owner? What did they know of the history of the bike?

Thanks for posting this stuff. It's a world I'd otherwise never see.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by Corey K on 1/16/2010 at 12:23:20 PM
Very interesting bike. This is the first time I've seen a chainguard of that configuration. I have a 1957 Roadster here right now; it has a different fork crown supposedly made for Dunelt bikes.
(of the type shown in the 1960 Philips spares catalog)

Did you get a chance to speak with the owner? What did they know of the history of the bike?

Thanks for posting this stuff. It's a world I'd otherwise never see.
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AGE / VALUE:   Attention Vin! posted by: Chris on 1/13/2010 at 7:33:04 PM
e- bay item# 130358731994

Vin please buy this up,it looks authentic

Good God!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Attention Vin! posted by Chris on 1/13/2010 at 7:46:44 PM
LOOK AT THE OTHER HISTORICAL THINGS ALSO UP FOR SALE
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           Big fish got away posted by Chris on 1/24/2010 at 6:15:34 PM
the auction was pulled no reason given
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AGE / VALUE:   The original "Undercover Boss" posted by: Chris on 1/13/2010 at 7:07:48 PM
Frank W Schwinn went into a lawn mower shop that also sold bicycles where the owner snapped a dust rag at one of the bikes and he did a poor job of selling the bike as well as the shop was horrible and the bikes in a poor spot in the shop

"These are old models, is this all you have? Um hummmm.......

"Well, I don't think we will be sending you any more
bicycles for awhile!"

The lawn mower shop owner was handed a business card
that read: Frank W Schwinn
Schwinn Bicycle company
Chicago, Illinois

Frank W. loved to do this sort of thing. This was long before the current t.v. show called "under cover boss"

From the( now out of print) book No hands the rise and fall of the Schwinn bicycle company Judeth Crown/ Glenn Coleman

You never know!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by: Chas on 1/13/2010 at 8:36:13 AM
I can remember a big single battery that powered the ever ready cycle lamps; but haven't seen one for many years...
are they still available? (UK) Any other options to light up?

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by Matthew on 1/13/2010 at 11:36:43 AM
Hi Chas,

You need a pair of C size batteries and a plastic holder which they fit in and then a couple of wires soldered in place to make the connections. The old (U2 or U11?) batteries are obselete and unobtainable. The holder for two C size batteries can be bought anywhere that supplies parts for making up electrical circuits such as are made in school science labs.

Matthew - bright spark
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by Chas on 1/13/2010 at 1:25:26 PM
mmm, I can see that working, thanks Matthew.

Obsolete. Weren't they were made out of paper,cardboard and copper and usually leaked a lot?
.. and that was just in the shop display!(anyway how does a dry battery leak?)

As to the rear light, a visit to the pound shop scored a 9 led stainless steel flash-light that fits inside the old housing as snug as a bug and gives off a great red glow.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by chris on 1/13/2010 at 7:07:27 PM
Raleigh chopper bicycle website one of them shows the modern solution to finding a battery setup to the old schoool Pifco and everready British bicycle lamps

same as what we just told you here but with pictures
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by Chas on 1/14/2010 at 8:50:13 AM
Link please to raleigh pics?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by sam on 1/15/2010 at 4:34:56 PM
Last time I saw them being used ,they were hooked up to the TELEGRAPH at the train depot(that my Dad was using)
Had a big 9 with a cat jumping through it on the side.And they were blue.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by Joe on 1/18/2010 at 5:03:57 AM
Are you thinking of one of these:
http://www.batterymart.com/c-lantern-batteries.html
All of those old lantern batteries are still available.
They've even gotten better over the years.
I remember having a huge 6 volt mounted to the seat post running one of those old headlamps. Some just used plain lanterns sitting in the front basket. I've still got one here somewhere.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by sam on 1/18/2010 at 6:47:03 PM
I think he was talking about the type used in old crank phones and such---big /tall /and round
There are instructions on the web of how to "dumy up" one with cardboard tubing and a printed label
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ever ready's BIG battery posted by Chris on 1/19/2010 at 7:19:41 PM
don't remember what raleigh chopper web site i saw it on but it was one of the bigger chopper web sites just a bit of lookin and you'll find it
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