OldRoads.com > Discuss: English 3-speeds
Discuss: English Roadsters Scroll Down For Messages



NOTICE

I'm selling the OldRoads.com website.

I started the site in 1995 and sold my retail shop in April of this year.

I'm retiring from the bike business.

Here's a link to the eBay auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122248859390

Vinny


All pictures and text in these pages are (c)2010 Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm) and may not be used in any form without written permission from Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm).

Search 18 years of ARCHIVES:  


Disclaimer:
Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc. has set up this discussion area for the sharing of vintage and custom bicycle information. Anyone may add their opinions to this forum, as long as they follow the rules outlined below. We are not responsible for incorrect or misleading advise which may appear here.

RULES:

All pictures and text in these pages are (c)2010 Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm) and may not be used in any form without written permission from Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm).


Vintage Bicycle Discussion Area

English Roadsters


Post a new topic, or click an existing topic below:




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by: LP on 12/22/2009 at 3:00:23 PM
Hey there
I have what I belive is an old 40's Rudge 3 speed and it's wonderful I use it every day.
However I've only been able to two of the three gears working properly. The lightest gear often slips every rotations of the crank and is thus frustratingly difficult to use.
I've messed around with the wire that goes into the Sturmey AW a little bit but with no luck.
Any ideas?
by: 78.148.154.139

  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by Rik on 12/22/2009 at 3:18:39 PM
LP

My suggestion would be worn Pawls - replace them - but others could disagree because it could be 1 of many things. i recommend looking up the Sturmey archer technical information page: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/'hadland/aw.pdf

It's an invaluable source of information, i have relied upon it in the past.

Rik
by: 78.86.247.19

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by Rik on 12/22/2009 at 3:20:16 PM
link correction:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=AW+hub+diagnosis&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

top search result
by: 78.86.247.19

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by David on 12/22/2009 at 3:35:16 PM
Be sure the control cable is actually adjusted right. See http://sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html and look at "3-speed cable adjustment." Pawls or the corners of the sliding clutch could be worn and causing the problem, too. If cable adjustment doesn't solve the problem, disassembly of the hub will be necessary. It's probably easier and cheaper to find another rear wheel with a better hub, though. Good luck.
by: 216.15.114.27

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by Steve on 12/23/2009 at 4:55:23 AM
Besides the incorrect cable adjustment, the hub, if not used, can be gunked up. Spary some WD-40 in the hub & ride awhile to flush & loosenit .
NOTE; If the bike is not staying in gear,,, do NOT stand up & ride at any time.[ if you are a guy !]
by: 209.26.58.179

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by LP on 12/23/2009 at 12:10:34 PM
Thanks for the suggestions,
I'm not buying a new hub. This bike is pretty old and I'd like to keep it all together and with a little work I'm sure I can get it near 100%.
Gonna try the WD40 idea.
Also How hard is it to open up an AW hub?
Question. My hub doesn't have a date on it, does anybody have any idea what period Sturmey Archer didn't put dates on their hubs?
by: 78.148.154.139

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by Keith Body on 12/23/2009 at 2:51:24 PM
Hi Rik, lubrication will help, but probably the pawl springs. Several sites with info on AW. The hub end plates are not too bad to remove, the cog side is a two start right hand thread, can be gently tapped round with a flat end chisel and a light hammer, but mark the position before you start, to get the correct thread (saves truing the wheel). The left end plate is left hand thread, easiest in a bench vise, think of these being tightened when pedalling. You can easily make the R shape pawl springs from a bit of springy steel wire. The trouble is you will probably want to fit a new sliding clutch and planet pins while its apart. Its now about 45 years since I did these, and we could easily get all parts then.
by: 92.23.214.180

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by Gabriel Altman on 12/23/2009 at 8:34:27 PM
Every Part for the AW series hub is still being produced by SunRace in Taiwan. They own the rights to all the S/A designs, and purchased all of their machinery. Their importer is United Bicycle Supply, and your local bicycle shop should be able to get the parts on special order without any trouble.

http://www.sturmey-archer.com/

http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/3/id/22/tech/1

http://www.unitedbicyclesupply.com/

Good Luck!
by: 66.65.85.233

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by Steve on 12/25/2009 at 3:37:05 AM
http://raleighgrifter.aceboard.com/229420-9936-19986-0-Sturmey-Archer-refurb.htm
by: 209.26.58.179

           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gear Slips posted by Chris on 12/28/2009 at 10:29:56 AM
totally true and accurate but I remember hearing that some of the tooling was too old and for other reasons a small percentage of it did not make the trip over seas

they did take along 2 managers from England

the former employees were not as lucky as the tooling unfortunitly..............
I wonder if the new workers in the new location sing songs while they work like they used to in Nottingham. Yes the Sturmey Archer gang used to sing as they worked.
by: 71.40.121.165




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake (roller) lever Question posted by: Rik on 12/20/2009 at 6:17:41 PM
I have an old Raleigh Roadster with rod brakes that i love, but the bake brake it appallingly bad:

when i pull the brake lever there is play (half the travel) before the rod is pulled to work the brake, the slack seems to be in the connection between the road/ lever and the crescent shaped piece that pulls the rod (in the middle of the handle bars).

what is the intrinsic connection between the rod and the crescent 'puller' and are there spares available?

thanks

Rik - London engineering student
by: 78.86.247.19

  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake (roller) lever Question posted by Keith Body on 12/21/2009 at 2:38:14 AM
Hi Rik, You have a square on the end of the lever which has worn, also the square hole it fits in. As an engineering student you should be able to devise a fix. I would apply a little silver solder to the lever and file it up, but it would take a bit off the chrome. A temporary fix try PTFE tape or a little steel shim. This happens because the end nut has been loose.
by: 92.16.195.51

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake (roller) lever Question posted by Matthew on 12/21/2009 at 11:06:34 AM
Hi Rik,

Keith has decades of experience so listen to what he has to say. As an engineer I know that one of the best ways to learn about a machine (the bicycle) is to disassemble it carefully.

Matthew - learn as you go.
by: 86.31.32.51

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake (roller) lever Question posted by Steve on 12/21/2009 at 2:35:31 PM
Rik,
Keep your eyes open for a "scrapper", you might be surprised at how many parts have many more years life left in them.
Steve
by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake (roller) lever Question posted by Rik on 12/21/2009 at 4:06:31 PM
Thanks guys

i will be looking into this over the holidays, so will hope to repair it soon.

i have dismantled the rear hub in the past with wonderment. At university i have access to and work with a 1902 car - that really is an example of learning by disassembly!

thanks again for your advice

Rik
by: 78.86.247.19




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   How old is it? Raleigh 47177 AK posted by: Nick on 12/20/2009 at 3:32:54 PM
Hi, I just picked up an old raleigh Coaster and the rear hub only says AW, but the frame number is 47177 AK. I cannot see that in any of the dating frames. I believe/was told it is from the early 40's. Thanks
by: 65.96.168.43

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   How old is it? Raleigh 47177 AK posted by Warren on 12/20/2009 at 5:57:03 PM
Good pictures always provide valuable info...
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   How old is it? Raleigh 47177 AK posted by Rick on 12/20/2009 at 7:59:51 PM
Hello,
I have a rod-brake Raleigh all steel bicycle with serial # 47131AK. It has 26x1 3/8 wheels. The rear hub is an FW with a date stamp of 47 2 (Feb. 1947). The Dyno-hub is stamped 46 3 (Mar. 1946). The best chronology that I've found so far is at

http://www.jaysmarine.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html

I'm calling mine a late 1947 or early 1948. According to that site, that frame serial number means the frame was built in 1948. I think that unless written records are uncovered or much more data is collected, it will be difficult to pinpoint dates closer than that.

I recently purchased a ladies rod - brake with 28 x 1 1/2 wheels. The AW hub is dated 1949 and the dyno-hub is too rusty to tell, but the serial number on the seat lug is AR53143.

Hope this helps.

Rick
by: 71.255.37.84

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   How old is it? Raleigh 47177 AK posted by Nick on 12/21/2009 at 10:49:11 AM
Thanks for the input, the owner's brother in law handled the sale at a sprightly 83 years of age, he said that it was bought in '43. It still has the war grade tires on it, which '47 or '48 would possibly make sense.
by: 65.96.168.43




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Westwood rims - alloy! posted by: Al on 12/17/2009 at 12:16:49 PM
Rigida makes a rod-brake rim I'm interested in acquiring. Just what I'm looking to use on a shoeless Raleigh Tourist.

http://www.rigida.com/en/products/single-wall-rims/straight-sided/v38-alloy

Alloy, on the lightish side, might even brake well in the rain! And it comes in black with pinstripes, as well as good ole' polished.

Anybody have these on their bike? I'm curious how they've served you.

I believe Von Schothorst (Dutch) swallowed up Rigida (French) and before that Weinmann (Belgian). But they kept the Rigida name. I emailed them for a US distributor, but haven't gotten a reply. Do these rims make it to the lower 48? Where can I get some?

by: 71.135.58.85

  Replies:



[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/17/2009 at 4:04:22 AM
Heather was discharged from the hospital yesterday. Pretty amazing how the young bounce back. Me? I don't "bounce" anymore.... thankfully she has.

I figured it would be soon once she started displaying her obstreperous nature....

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts, prayers, vibes, etc. Been a rough three weeks for sure.

To be honest I really didn't think she would be out before Christmas so this is a pretty amazing recovery.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Amazed... aghast and surely grateful....
by: 4.154.220.37

  Replies:
           RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by JDuck on 12/17/2009 at 7:59:58 AM
Merry Christmas Larry.

Jeff
by: 66.254.211.56

           RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by Matthew on 12/17/2009 at 11:39:09 AM
Prayers are answered.

Matthew - still praying
by: 86.27.63.17

           RE:RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by Chris on 12/17/2009 at 12:03:27 PM
glad to hear this good news
by: 71.40.121.165

           RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by Thom J. on 12/17/2009 at 3:12:58 PM
That is excellent news Larry. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and all the readers/members of the site.
Thom.
by: 63.204.42.231

           RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by Steve on 12/17/2009 at 3:17:37 PM
That's lovely to hear.

Steve
by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by JS on 12/18/2009 at 7:21:24 AM
Excellent news Larry!
by: 64.237.34.132

           RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by Corey K on 12/19/2009 at 1:26:04 PM
Excellent news. May she finish up the healing process swiftly.

Corey K
by: 76.102.6.124

           RE:MISC:   The healing power of youth. posted by kenju@pacific.net.sg on 12/19/2009 at 2:49:03 PM
Thats great news Larry! :) Proof that prayer works!
by: 218.186.8.237




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Bottom Bracket posted by: john on 12/15/2009 at 2:04:38 PM
Greetings: Working on a 1959 Phillips single speed with cottered cranks. Do I go clockwise or counter clockwise to remove the right (drive side) bottom bracket bearing cup. Thanks. john
by: 64.12.116.138

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Bottom Bracket posted by Keith Body on 12/15/2009 at 4:19:04 PM
Standard British RH cup = left hand thread, clockwise to undo. These can be very tight.
by: 92.3.23.61

           RE:AGE / VALUE:���Phillips Bottom Bracket posted by Al on 12/15/2009 at 4:25:09 PM

Pretty sure it's clockwise to remove the fixed cup. Only the French and Italians used right-hand threaded fixed cups.

If it's a Birmingham-made Phillips, it's also likely to be ISO standard thread pitch 1.370/1.375-inch x 24 TPI. Easier to find parts than for Nottingham-made Phillips with their Raleigh 26 threads per inch.

Check out Mark Stonich's cool tool for removing these cups.

http://bikesmithdesign.com/BBTool/index.html

by: 71.135.58.85

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Bottom Bracket posted by john on 12/15/2009 at 5:17:13 PM
Thanks for the replies....I know they can be real tight and I didn't want to make matters worse by tightening it. The reason for my original post was I thought I had read somewhere that older English bikes used a right hand thread for the right side cup. By the way, it is a 1969 (not 59...my typo) Nottingham made bike but I don't think this makes any difference. It has a lot of scrapes but in the places I tried, the original paint shines through like new. Somewhere along the line someone welded, yes welded the pedals to the crank arms (crooked no less), but I have a nos Crown replacement set that will have to do for now. Next job is to lay the frame on the floor on a blanket, take off the fork and see how many bearings fall out, hit the blanket and bounce over the workbench and go into earth orbit or where ever they disappear to! Thanks. john
by: 64.12.116.69

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Bottom Bracket posted by Chris on 12/28/2009 at 5:48:47 PM
you have raleigh bottom bracket cups in your phillips branded bike by 1969 raleigh had taken over absorbed the phillips empire and yes it was a huge formidible empire with 3 factories and a lot of workers phillips was huge collossal roller skates 50 models of bikes made pedals till they could not see straight ye gods pedals up the wazoo known for pedals

so anyways your bike has raleigh parts do a search here for "removing the raleigh bottom bracket fixed cup"
by: 71.40.121.165

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Bottom Bracket posted by Chris on 12/28/2009 at 5:53:12 PM
welded the pedals to the crank arms definitly not factory replace the crank arms they are raleigh crank arms
by: 71.40.121.165




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by: JS on 12/14/2009 at 8:16:41 PM
Question to those who have done this before.

I have the following materials:

1 26" 40 Hole westwood rim
40 Stainless spokes sized for 26" rims
1 90mm drum brake hub

As the brake side of the hub has a greater diameter than the non-brake side, will I need 20 shorter spokes...


... OR is it a matter of the lacing pattern where the somewhat shorter distance between the hub and the rim is not a factor as the angle of the spoke between holes is greater and thus a longer diagonal?

Want to know before I start. I hate starting things and having to hunt for more parts(like shorter spokes)mid way through.

Thanks in advance.

JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
by: 193.23.43.5

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by David on 12/15/2009 at 9:28:01 AM
You'll need two sizes of spoke, shorter ones for the high flange on the brake and longer ones for the low flange. Go to www.sheldonbrown.com for advice on measuring your hub and for spoke length calculators.
by: 216.15.114.27

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by Matthew on 12/15/2009 at 11:17:04 AM
Hi JS,

You need the same set up as a dyno hub.

Matthew - you wheely do.
by: 82.2.63.177

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by Warren on 12/15/2009 at 1:09:06 PM
Here's the spoke chart for reference, I'm assuming that's an EA3 40 hole westwood?

http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_1.jpg
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by JS on 12/15/2009 at 3:06:57 PM
Thanks Matthew. That's very useful information!

If I understand the chart you posted correctly, the spokes are different...now just to find the right length! I can sense this is another months long quest.

The rims by the way are ARAYA as seen below.

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org/2009/10/score-stainless-steel-westwood-rims.html


by: 64.237.34.130

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by Keith Body on 12/15/2009 at 4:42:40 PM
Hi JS, The chart appears to be saying 10 15/16 cog side, 10 7/8 brake side, crossed 3. Depending on what you can get, you could have spokes 1/4" or more longer in one direction than the other, it would never notice. This is a single speed hub brake, almost never used in UK. The brake flange is a little further from the centre line of the hub than the cog side.
I presume the hub has the keyhole spoke holes. We used to hold the spokes in during lacing with spare spoke nipples.
by: 92.3.23.61

           RE:AGE / VALUE:���Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by Al on 12/15/2009 at 4:49:31 PM

Nice find! I tried to persuade my LBS to order me a pair of Araya westwood rims. The Araya website still lists them in 26 1 3/8, but it says polished finish. I'm assuming that's polished chrome, not stainless. However, the picture shows the words stainless printed on the rim! Looks like you have the wider B/E size. Comfy.

http://www.araya-kk.co.jp/rim/product.htm

Anyway, the LBS fellow just looked at me with a blank stare. Now, I'll try contacting Araya direct. They've got to have a way to get them to the US. I've seen Van Schothorst Westwood rims in stainless, too. But where to find them...

by: 71.135.58.85

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by JS on 12/15/2009 at 7:59:06 PM
Warren-

Meant to thank you for the useful chart!

Keith-

Actually the spokes I have are 275mm (10 13/16ths) measured from tip to shoulder. So a little too long for the large flange side and a little to short for the short flange side. Could work, although I almost wonder if too long won't be more of a problem than too short. Any opinions?

...and yes, the short flange side is keyhole'd!

Al-

Check my blog next Monday. A story will be going live which tells the tale of HOW and WHERE I acquired the rims and may have some useful contacts for you.
by: 193.23.43.5

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by Steve on 12/16/2009 at 7:22:17 AM
I must confess that I haven't done a mammoth amount of work with spokes, but the last time I did it, most of my second hand (or new) replacement spokes were too long for both sides !

I measured them up, cut them to size and got them threaded.

If there was too much excess spoke showing on the inner rim after fitting, I then filed it down to an acceptable level.

I acquired a batch of battered 26" wheels, scrapped the rims and kept the spokes, axles, hubs etc for possible further use.

Of course 28" wheel spokes might provide more of a challenge....I've yet to see a used 26" spoke (however good a condition it is) fit a 28" rim !

Because of the pure measuremental (if that's a word) nature of this subject, I admit to having "fixed" lots of 20" rims with damaged (or minus) spokes using this method.

What can go down in size, can't always necessarily go up !

Steve
by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by Keith Body on 12/16/2009 at 9:21:04 AM
Hi JS, It is possible the new rim could have a deeper well. It's worth trying the brake side, if it looks OK, then do the other 20. We used a bench grinder to finish ordinary wheels, it gave a little more room for the tyre fitting. If spoke are about 1/8" too long you can cut them with a junior hacksaw, then finish with a file. A rebuild like this, from removing the wheel tyre etc, to having it rideable again I used to allow myself 1 hour.
Hub flanges are sometimes not assembled/drilled correctly, so that the spoke holes are not evenly between those on the other flange.
by: 92.21.144.112

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lacing a Drum Brake to the Rim posted by Steve on 12/16/2009 at 12:03:15 PM
Due to my natural interest in elderly tradebikes (some of which have the less common wheel sizes), I have this tendency to scrimp, scrape, adjust and utilise parts as necessary.

Hence, thinking about my comment above stating spokes off a 26" wheel not being able to fit a 28" wheel.
I suppose this is not strictly true....spokes removed off a single speed 26" wheel may well fit a hubbed/dyno/drum 28" wheel.
I've never actually done this or measured the required spoke lengths, just had to mention it though.

Of course, all this is totally irrelevant if you are purchasing brand new, made to measure spokes from the start !

Recycling can be hard and frustrating at times, anyone out there got a 16 x 1 3/4 Westwood (or Westrick) rim (yes, I'm still looking for one) the spokes and hub will certainly not be an issue !

Always on the lookout Steve.
by: 93.96.36.127




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Year of Manufacture posted by: flapdoodle on 12/11/2009 at 12:29:11 PM
Hi. I just pulled a neat Hercules 3 speed, minus the rear wheel, from a dumpster. The badge on the stem says Hercules Birmingham. The trigger for the shift is labelled as an S/A. If I had the rear hub, I'd look for the S/A manufacture date, but I do not. Any ideas on how I might try to suss out the date on this bike?
by: 159.121.27.3

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Year of Manufacture posted by ken on 12/11/2009 at 12:52:17 PM
this could help-
http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/hanczyc/pdfs/satriggersjuly06.pdf
great photos.
Also, the earliest date should be available from when Hercules was 'absorbed' - before that, they made their own hubs and shifters, no?
by: 68.238.11.245

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Year of Manufacture posted by Warren on 12/11/2009 at 1:42:19 PM
Nice to see some pictures...a serial number from the frame may help because some of us have Hercs and may be able to provide some reference.
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Year of Manufacture posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/13/2009 at 3:27:18 PM
I as you probably know have an old Hercules ladies Popular bike,bought for 50p at a scouts jumble sale. It had no chain,possibly due to the rear sprocket having no,I repeat no teeth whatsoever,so how many miles had it done? I replaced the rear cog and chain (£18) Had to replace a few spokes about a year ago and that is all I have done to it.Have now done nearly 1,000 miles on it,and it just keeps going on and on,no maintenace whatsoever.How the hell did they make Bikes that just keep working? Pedal it down to the club,have a pint or two,it is as steady as a rock on the way back.Steel basket on the front,handy for 4 packs ,if you know what I mean! No parking problems,pedal down the road,park it right outside the shop,job done!Probabley a weirdo, but love my Betsy the bike!
by: 86.0.50.215




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Archer posted by: Mal Tyson on 12/10/2009 at 11:43:44 PM
Hi.....anyone have any information on 28 inch Archer Bicycles made in England c 1908.
Thanks
Mal
by: 58.106.155.81

  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Archer posted by chris on 12/15/2009 at 11:48:35 AM
post pictures please!
by: 71.40.121.165




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/9/2009 at 8:13:01 PM
Sorry... yes update overdue... today was unadulterated meteorological crucible for the olde Boneman. I don't know what that stuff is out there.... it's white like snow, 6 to 8 inches deep and so damnably heavy and sticky it kept clogging the (2 stage even!) snowblower.... I've never in my years dealt with such krappe...


Anyhow, on topic. I did visit Heather last night and she has improved WONDERFULLY. Even displaying some of her inherited obstreperous nature. Earlier in the day she actually WALKED from her room to the "Tank Room" where they bathe the patients.


In fact... it was the first time she was in the tank and instead of eliciting howls of pain it actually felt GOOD and SOOTHING.


Add to that she's getting a ITCHY... and it's a good thing as it is an HEALING itch!!!!


She still has a very long road back but having some solid progress has... if not so much removed the millstone around my neck, it's at least been exchanged for a lighter one.


Thanks to all for your prayers, wishes and concerns. GREATLY appreciated, I assure you!!!!!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - In a word.... WHEW!!!!!!


by: 4.154.223.121

  Replies:
           RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by Ken on 12/9/2009 at 8:36:04 PM
Thats very good news, Larry. Hope she has a speedy recovery.
by: 164.78.248.57

           RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by JS on 12/10/2009 at 1:35:58 AM
Glad to hear it Larry!

-JS


by: 193.23.43.4

           RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by Matthew on 12/10/2009 at 11:21:43 AM
Hallelujah!

I am doing a little dance around the living room here.

Thank you for the update Larry, such marvellous news. Hoorah!

Matthew - God is good.
by: 86.31.171.89

           RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by Keith Body on 12/10/2009 at 12:06:42 PM
Glad you have some really good news at last, Larry

Your snow is like the stuff we get over here (UK), but not very often.
by: 92.20.133.19

           RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by Steve on 12/11/2009 at 2:33:25 AM
Good Oh !

Making self propelled tracks to the "tank room"....wonderful news Larry.

And always remember, "there's no business like snow business"....even on Stage 2 !

Steve

by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by JDuck on 12/11/2009 at 8:38:00 AM
Breathing a sigh of relief in Wisconsin.

Jeff (Same snow here and 0 degrees F.(or is that degree?))
by: 66.254.211.56

           RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/13/2009 at 2:34:00 PM
Good Good news Larry,so pleased for you!(and Daughter)!
by: 86.0.50.215

           RE:RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/13/2009 at 4:34:59 PM
Thanks all. Saw her last night. She is OUT... of ICU and progressing. Odd stuff... and common with this condition at this stage... the lips will suddenly and without warning bleed profusely. This "annoys" her. LOL....

Still having issues eating and her eyes are problematic still... but... progressing!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - ICU do UC me? ;-)

by: 4.154.223.234

           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Another update. GOOD news finally! posted by Chris on 12/15/2009 at 11:43:40 AM
Sounds very good Larry glad to hear this dancing and hoping for her complete recovery- christopher
by: 71.40.121.165




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Telephone Lock posted by: JS on 12/9/2009 at 4:46:54 PM
Just posted an entry on a circular combination "Telephone Lock" I spotted on an old Raleigh on my blog. Anyone have any ideas on the history of this item?

As a a lock, it looks quite insufficient, but as a style statement its killer.


http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
by: 64.237.34.132

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Telephone Lock posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/9/2009 at 8:23:55 PM
I posted a comment to the blog directly but let me just post here to our folks. Check that lock out. I don't know what it is about that thing but it's appealing to my nature immensely!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Could you use it to... call a locksmith maybe?????
by: 4.154.223.121




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need help id'ing this one posted by: spfldken on 12/8/2009 at 8:11:36 AM
Picked up this cheap at a sale. One of those that you see and know that it needs a good home. Can't figure out what it is. It's got a 53 Sturmey AW hub, made in England with a very sturdy frame, schwinn seat (which may or not be orig), some kind of rear rack frame, and the neatest looking toolcase that seems to made of bakelite and wood ends with a reflector glued on. I've found reference to Schwinn making a Varsity in 53, but this doesn't strike me as one and I'm not a Schwinn knowledgable person. Oh, and the screw holes for the missing head badge are 2-7/8 inches apart vertically. Anyone got any input to what it is? Thanks


by: 71.123.110.51


  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���need help id'ing this one posted by David on 12/8/2009 at 9:26:54 AM
53 Varsity would have a fillet-brazed frame that looked a lot like the later flash-welded one with a nice fork crown with the rounded-top legs sticking up. This looks English. Where are the rear fender mounting holes? What is the crown like? The pics don't show enough detail for a guess.
by: 75.83.11.147

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need help id'ing this one posted by spfldken on 12/8/2009 at 10:54:27 AM
here's more info...monitor sheerline brakes, brampton speedy switch shifter, two more pics. here's the first


by: 71.123.78.120


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need help id'ing this one posted by spfldken on 12/8/2009 at 10:57:01 AM
here's the second picture. All pictures can be enlarged by clicking on them. Thanks for for your answers.


by: 71.123.78.120


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need help id'ing this one posted by Warren on 12/8/2009 at 5:21:24 PM
That saddlebox is righteous! One of the beefiest chainguard supports at the rear. The rack is cool too...maybe a briefcase support for the businessman or professor on the go? Likely a Birmingham bike but the stem looks US made and was maybe swapped in for extra knee clearance. Too many english bike makers to say what it is...that mark under the BB looks interesting. Nice!
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need help id'ing this one posted by Kevin on 12/9/2009 at 5:08:30 AM
The chainguard bracket, to me, appears to be too crudely made to be original.
by: 98.226.154.146




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   RUDGE LADIES 3 SPEED posted by: anthony on 12/7/2009 at 11:13:23 PM
i came across two old female bicycles ....

RUDGE black ladies 3 speed
reads - "rudge whitworth ltd. made in England"
26" tires
rough condition

WESTFIELD red/white ladies (no speeds)
reads - "the westfield mfg. co. westfield mass. made in USA"
tires appx. 26"
good / fair condition

any idea of their value? i do not know what the years are, are there serial number stamps somewhere
Which would yield information?

thank you
by: 205.188.116.138

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   RUDGE LADIES 3 SPEED posted by anthony on 12/7/2009 at 11:31:38 PM
correction
RUDGE good / fair condition
WESTFIELD rough condition

by: 205.188.116.69

           RE:AGE / VALUE:���RUDGE LADIES 3 SPEED posted by David on 12/8/2009 at 9:31:14 AM
Women's frame English Sports models aren't usually worth more than $150 or so in a good market. They're far too common to be "collectible." "Fair" condition would make it worth a lot less, even if it's ridable. I doubt the Westfield is worth a lot either. It's also relatively common.
by: 75.83.11.147




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/7/2009 at 10:15:54 AM
Yesterday Heather seemed better. Actually had a couple of short conversations. Still in ICU and "Critical" there are positive signs of healing on her forehead and shoulders.

Concerned about her eyes as there's much involvement there.... she may be looking at permanent damage. Time will tell.

At least I got some sound sleep last night finally....

Stay tuned!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Staying the course.....
by: 167.9.1.11

  Replies:
           RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by Matthew on 12/7/2009 at 1:09:50 PM
This is good news Larry. I will pass this on.

Matthew - keeping at it.
by: 86.29.109.11

           RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by Ken on 12/7/2009 at 5:12:32 PM
Thats good to know. Am also glad you're able to to get some quality rest. Still praying for her full- and swift- recovery...
by: 164.78.248.57

           RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by Mark on 12/7/2009 at 5:36:52 PM
Larry: only been on this forum for a short while, but my prayers are with you and your daughter.....

Mark
by: 99.224.221.154

           RE:RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by Chris on 12/7/2009 at 7:02:44 PM
Larry, I am glad to hear that there is improvement- Christopher
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by JDuck on 12/8/2009 at 8:15:09 AM
Great news Larry but we won't stop praying yet.

Jeff
by: 66.254.211.56

           RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/9/2009 at 2:17:21 PM
Thank God she is improving,been there with my own son,know what your going through!Thoughts are with you.
by: 86.0.50.215

           RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by JS on 12/9/2009 at 4:46:46 PM
Sill praying for you both in Beijing.
by: 64.237.34.132

           RE:MISC:   Improving. Finally. posted by spfldken on 12/10/2009 at 9:17:26 PM
glad to hear the good news. Prayers continue from New England, Ken
by: 70.109.247.85




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by: Ken on 12/6/2009 at 5:28:25 PM
Hello everyone,

I thought this rare find may interest you all. A 1950s New Hudson found as New Old Stock in Malaysia. The lucky chap bought it off a retired bike shop owner. The 50-60 year old brown paper was still on her!

http://nostalgiabasikaltua.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/new-hudson-new-old-stock-kampung-mari/

I managed to find several NOS bikes (Hercules, Robin Hoods and Raleighs) but the oldest was a '64 - certainly none so old can possibly be found in NOS condition!

It's simply magical to behold something so old - built by someone so long ago in a place so far away (Birmingham is pretty far away from Malaya), untouched by anyone for so long. I'll bet that the fellow who built this never thought it could last so long! Imagine building something today that will be found, used and enjoyed by someone on the other side of the planet in the year 2070!!!

As I marvel at the pictures, my mind wanders to a musty warehouse full of unassembled '50s era English bicyles, each still wrapped in the original dusty brown paper! The man at the door says they're not worth anything, now that everyone wants carbon fibre bikes, so I can have them for $50 a piece. My truck awaits outside as I take my wallet out.

The stuff dreams are made of!


by: 164.78.248.57


  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Chris on 12/7/2009 at 7:06:05 PM
Incredible. The man at the door has no flippin clue!

Get every thing in the building! Especially loved the "Waverly works" decal transfer More pictures please I want to see it all! please post pictures of the treasures for us to see
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Chris on 12/7/2009 at 7:39:09 PM
It's been my experience and my best advice is to move at maximum warp speed when discovering time capsules with old stuff in them because.............

The shop is in the red ink and will be padlocked by the city for back taxes any second

death of owner or the wife who is running it

they will throw it all out not knowing what they have and what it is worth or what it can bring them "on the bay"


the doctor who has the shop becausze of back medical bills will throw it out and close the shop see the property

they will never call and it goes to landfil the dump, the scrap man

fire
children who want to sell it all !
flood it is under water now

the city closes the shop too run down, too old code violations

the geezer disappears the place is locked and there is no trace of the owner

the fellow died and the wife sees dollar signs and wants it all sold immediately and well the last two buildings full of treasures was too just too overwhelming to gather it all up so we bulldozed it

auctioneers are overwhelmed because the guy had too much stuff to many buildings, busses full house was full and they were plum wore out and everybody said the hell with it and it was just carted to landfil in the end

Schwinn collectors who don't know, don't care and have no knowledge or passion or all of the above

last but not to be overlooked is the compettition from rival collectors/ antique hunters

both local and from far away.

people that make decisions don't know/ don't care and think they have better things to do than to fool with it.

There is no time. You are in a race against time and against every thing and far more than I have listed for you

Bring the truck, the wads of working cash 10 strong men and a large truck and gather it all up and be gone.

a la Jimmy Hoffa
They said there was nothing in the house they lied! and you didn't search it and guess what? the best goodies were in his house.

Every contact every shop owner dealer jobber disributor and fellow collector both hostile and friendly picker buyer and seller I have run across has tales and stories to tell me about the waste and ones that got away and the stuff I have seen firsthand.

Do not delay. It will be gone if you wait or are slow the flying dutchman appears and disappears in the wink of an eye
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Ken on 12/8/2009 at 2:10:11 AM
I cant find a way of posting more than one clickable pic per post, so I'll post several replies with a pic in each.

Behold, this wonderous discovery - the sun may have set on the empire, but a few bicycles will see light again. This one certainly has!


by: 164.78.248.57


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Ken on 12/8/2009 at 2:18:12 AM
More...


by: 164.78.248.57


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Ken on 12/8/2009 at 2:22:14 AM
These pictures are from a Malaysian Blog on vintage bikes.

http://nostalgiabasikaltua.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/new-hudson-new-old-stock-kampung-mari/

While Ive pasted inks to the pictures here, I'd liek to acknowledge that the copyright of these pictures belong to the owner. A very lucky and justifiably proud owner...


by: 164.78.248.57


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Corey K on 12/8/2009 at 8:49:35 PM
Astonishing. A beautiful find. Thanks for linking this1

-Corey
by: 76.102.6.124

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Chris on 12/9/2009 at 11:58:28 AM
New Hudson was bought by B.S.A in the 1940's for 500,000.00 pounds sterling and sold in 1957 to Raleigh Industries by B.S.A. when all of B.S.A. bicycle was sold to Raleigh. Along with New Hudson went B.S.A., Sunbeam and Eadie . The Waverly works was described as a modern factory. Production was transferred to Nottingham and all the other factories were closed and a lot of people had to find jobs elsewhere.

I believe your bike was made during the B.S.A. years when they owned New Hudson. Does it have a B.S.A hub or a Sturmey- Archer

My book mentions B.S.A but not New Hudson specifically so I had to leaf thru the whole book. I'll try to contribute more on New Hudson .
by: 71.40.121.165

           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Chris on 12/9/2009 at 12:00:40 PM
New Hudson was not in the back of the book index but is mentioned in a smattering here and there and throughout the book so it will take a while for me to sift out more have to run lovely lovely bike
by: 71.40.121.165

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Keith Body on 12/9/2009 at 2:52:10 PM
I think Chris is right to be cautious. In the UK New Hudson had virtually disappeared by 1955, we obviously could not know what export markets were maintained. Two points don't look 1950's. I don't remember front brakes on BSA pivoted by the clips on the front forks, not sliding in guides. Chrome insert head races were only used by original BSA on rather more lightweight models. Also no BSA hub gear could imply probably later, when TI were making various names and trying to cheapen Raleigh production costs.
by: 92.20.120.24

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Chris on 12/9/2009 at 7:05:02 PM
Keith can you pull the complete New Hudson file from your mind and share what all you know about New Hudson? perhaps you just did but what else if anything can you share with me

also does anybody know what is on the site where the Waverly works once stood and does the original building still stand?

Thanks!
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:  ?50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by JS on 12/9/2009 at 7:13:52 PM
Ken-

1. WOW. Nice Bike.
2. Are you sure it was made in Birmingham? Raleigh, for example, use to put Nottingham on their bikes, even if they were made in Dublin, Malaya or elsewhere.
3. Any neat accessories in the mix?
4. Thanks for the blog link. Awesome stuff.

JS


http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
by: 193.23.43.5

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by kenju@pacific.net.sg on 12/10/2009 at 8:22:39 AM
Jeff

Afraid I dont know anything more than what we see in the blog. The text is all Malay, and I don't speak or read it.

The old bike shop owners I chat with tell me Raleigh was very particular about not having Nottingham on the headbadges of Raleigh bikes made in Malaya. The headbadges did say Nottingham on bikes assembled in Malaya from English parts ("CKD"). I have a fully Malayan made Sports model that has the Nottingham word on its headbadge replaced by a plain bar.

I suppose we can assume this New Hudson we see in the pics is made in Birmingham because there isn't a single Sir Walter Raleigh anywhere on the bike. That suggests this is a pre-Raleigh era bike.




by: 218.186.8.253

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Keith Body on 12/14/2009 at 2:41:49 PM
Hi Chris, My sum knowledge of New Hudson as above: in the UK it was used for BSA to supply a shop that was too close to an established BSA dealer. There is a main line station Waverley in Small Heath, Birmingham 10. I had a factory visit about 1955, have no recollection of where, just remember some of the horrors of factory production. Site clearance after many years of cyanide metal hardening, and electroplating baths leaking into the ground must have problematic. The chrome plating relied then on copper, nickel then chromium, all hand polished between each metal coating. The polishers could never remove all the abrasive pastes from face, hands etc. The plating had to resist our corrosive climate.
My third BSA bike was a gold column in 1949, with 531 and all special BSA made components.
by: 92.17.146.182

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Ken on 12/14/2009 at 6:03:59 PM
Hello Keith

Thanks for the information. Those poor workers! Cyanide! Sounds horrific... how many must've eventually died from the pollution?
At least their efforts haven't gone to waste. Cleaning off thick crusty surface rust from British bike parts and discovering the chrome below in good condition never ceases to amaze me. And this after 40 years in a tropical climate - with over 90 per cent humidity year-round.
NO other chrome can compare.

by: 164.78.248.57

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Chris on 12/15/2009 at 11:47:31 AM
Now I know where to time travel to to show up with my bike parts that I want re- chromed. No back of hand servive at New Hudason there! Tell me more please!
by: 71.40.121.165

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Keith Body on 12/16/2009 at 9:30:17 AM
Hi all, Chrome plate polishers were mostly women.
If you have google earth, find Birmingham (UK) then search for Armoury Road Waverley. This is just south of a main rail line. 52 27 44 35 N, 1 51 28 42 W It is still an industrial area.
by: 92.21.144.112

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by irene on 10/24/2011 at 11:46:07 AM
i am looking for a bike the flying dutchman is there a bike with such a name im trying to get information on it thank you
by: 76.174.217.69

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '50s New Hudson - New Old Stock Find posted by Chris on 10/26/2011 at 5:30:45 PM
I was trying to illustrate for you the nature of this magic we are messing about in. The flying dutchman was a ship that appeared and disapeared and these finds appear and disappear like the fabled ghost ship.

Now has a bike with flying dutchman ever been made I don't know but I guess yes there has keep looking
by: 12.91.193.250

...>>>>>>>> MORE MESSAGES >>>>>>>>



HOME (OldRoads.com) Discussion Areas Literature and Price Guide Cleaning Kit Glossary
Stat and Feature Database Picture Database Serial Number Charts General Resources